Gordon Elliott

rolling boh

Anyone know what is behind the picture of him sitting on the dead horse looks bad and poor form from him really .

Fann Linn

rolling boh wrote: »

Anyone know what is behind the picture of him sitting on the dead horse looks bad and poor form from him really .

Saw that earlier today. Disgusting photo.

Supposed to have been taken in July. Strange that it’s only now surfaced. According to the Daily Mail, it’s been digitally edited. Lets hope so.

JJs Left Hand

Incredible **** up which could have massive consequences for him especially in light of Gigginstown already pulling out of the game. Reputational damage will be massive and I can definitely see someone like Cheveley Park pulling their horses.

The timing of the release just before Cheltenham is very deliberate and done to maximise the impact.

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Supposed to have been taken in July. Strange that it’s only now surfaced. According to the Daily Mail, it’s been digitally edited. Lets hope so.

Daily Mail aren't saying that it's been digitally edited. They're saying that 'some reports say it's been digitally edited'.

Any expert with a bit of Photoshop knowledge should be able to clear it up however.

lemush

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Supposed to have been taken in July. Strange that it’s only now surfaced. According to the Daily Mail, it’s been digitally edited. Lets hope so.

It was taken in 2019.

byhookorbycrook

*If* it’s real, whenever it was taken would be immaterial to me . If the person entrusted to look after my horse thought this was funny , I’d be furious.

The DayDream

The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason.

Nothing surprising about it other than it got out. Anyone under any illusion that the people involved in horse training really love the animals and all that shíte they spout is incredibly naive. It's all for money.

It's pretty common though for people who work with animals daily to be fairly blasé about the death of them and have a dark sense of humor. Worked at a vet once and when I was new I was shocked to see a dead husky that was blocking a doorway be kicked across the floor out of the way by one of the techs. Years later I worked at a shelter and the only way you could deal with the horror of having animals you cared for put to death every week was become detached to a certain extent and dark jokes were a coping mechanism.

But this is a bad look. You could easily form the opinion after seeing that photo that GE isn't any better than the ones who were caught shooting greyhounds on the rte special that aired a few years ago he just makes a lot more money.

Fann Linn

The DayDream wrote: »

The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason.

Nothing surprising about it other than it got out. Anyone under any illusion that the people involved in horse training really love the animals and all that shíte they spout is incredibly naive. It's all for money.

It's pretty common though for people who work with animals daily to be fairly blasé about the death of them and have a dark sense of humor. Worked at a vet once and when I was new I was shocked to see a dead husky that was blocking a doorway be kicked across the floor out of the way by one of the techs. Years later I worked at a shelter and the only way you could deal with the horror of having animals you cared for put to death every week was become detached to a certain extent and dark jokes were a coping mechanism.

But this is a bad look. You could easily form the opinion after seeing that photo that GE isn't any better than the ones who were caught shooting greyhounds on the rte special that aired a few years ago he just makes a lot more money.

My daughter works in the racing industry, not this yard, and the staff there are horrified with this photo. A bit of a generalisation to say that this sort of attitude is common.

dmn22

Between this photo, stories of allegedly getting a certain someone in the horse-racing world pregnant and also allegedly having regular parties in the bar on his stables during lockdown, it’s starting to look like he may be a Grade A pr*ck.

JJs Left Hand

"The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason."


Who from the Elliot camp is saying this? His own statement last night never denied it.


How does him getting another consenting adult pregnant make him a prick? I'm not defending him because he's not covering himself in glory the last few weeks but having sex with someone is hardly worth slating him over.

byhookorbycrook

The DayDream wrote: »

The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason.

Nothing surprising about it other than it got out. Anyone under any illusion that the people involved in horse training really love the animals and all that shíte they spout is incredibly naive. It's all for money.

I vehemently disagree. Horse owners and those involved in their care understand that horses due, but certainly do care.

dmn22

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

"The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason."


Who from the Elliot camp is saying this? His own statement last night never denied it.


How does him getting another consenting adult pregnant make him a prick? I'm not defending him because he's not covering himself in glory the last few weeks but having sex with someone is hardly worth slating him over.

Not criticising him for getting someone pregnant, criticising him because apparently he wants nothing to do with the child and has been getting involved with other members of his stable. That’s what has been causing controversy. All hearsay so could very well be false but all these things adding up doesn’t exactly help his image.

blackcard

If the photo is real, it is hard to know what punishment, if any, racing authorities could impose on him. He hasn't broken any rule as such even if it is in very poor taste. There is no evidence that the animal was mistreated. I see calls on twitter calling for him to be banned but not sure how tis can be done. I could see some owners pulling horses from him as they will not want the negative publicity that this will bring

EICVD

blackcard wrote: »

If the photo is real, it is hard to know what punishment, if any, racing authorities could impose on him. He hasn't broken any rule as such even if it is in very poor taste. There is no evidence that the animal was mistreated. I see calls on twitter calling for him to be banned but not sure how tis can be done. I could see some owners pulling horses from him as they will not want the negative publicity that this will bring

Calls to ban or revoke his license are well over the top alright, think some sort of fine for misconduct is fair. In my opinion it’s real

Kauto

blackcard wrote: »

If the photo is real, it is hard to know what punishment, if any, racing authorities could impose on him. He hasn't broken any rule as such even if it is in very poor taste. There is no evidence that the animal was mistreated. I see calls on twitter calling for him to be banned but not sure how tis can be done. I could see some owners pulling horses from him as they will not want the negative publicity that this will bring

Looks more likely that the photo is real judging by the lack of a proper denial thus far.

Cheveley prime candidates to jump ship but can't see any of his other big owners following.
Bringing racing into disrepute would be the charge they would do him with. Last thing that racing needs right now.

Kauto

EICVD wrote: »

Calls to ban or revoke his license are well over the top alright, think some sort of fine for misconduct is fair. In my opinion it’s real

They will come under so much pressure they will have to be seen to ban him. Wont be showing his face in Cheltenham id say

Character Building

The fact he didn't come out and say straight away that the photo is fake is pretty telling. I agree it's hard to know what sort of regulatory punishment he could face - but his reputation is surely in tatters now. He deserves to face a reckoning as the photo is truly abhorrent. I hope some of the big owners will show some integrity and move their horses elsewhere (assuming the photo is indeed genuine).

redarmy

Gordon Elliott has issued an apology and provided some context for the controversial photo that emerged on social media on Saturday night that showed him sitting on a dead horse on the side of a gallop, insisting that "horse welfare and care are at the core of everything" that is done at his Cullentra House Stables.

Elliott had already said on Twitter that he would be "cooperating fully" with an Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB) investigation into the image, which prompted the BHA to urge the Irish authorities to act quickly to confirm how the "shocking picture" originated.

The IHRB's official investigation remains a work in progress, but, via a statement on Sunday night, Elliott has sought to provide some background to the sequence of events that led to the picture.

The statement read: "I would like to address the speculation and rumours that have been rife since an old photo of me began circulating on social media yesterday afternoon.

"Firstly, I apologise profoundly for any offence that this photo has caused and can categorically state that the welfare of each and every horse under my care is paramount and has been central to the success that we have enjoyed here at Cullentra.

"The photo in question was taken some time ago and occurred after a horse had died of an apparent heart attack on the gallops. I appreciate that an initial viewing of this photo suggests it is a callous and staged photo but nothing could be further from the truth.

"At what was a sad time, which it is when any horse under my care passes away, my initial reaction was to get the body removed from where it was positioned.

"I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking, I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished.

"Such background information may seem trivial at this time and will not allay the concerns of many people both within and outside the world of horse racing.

"However, I feel it is important to provide people with some context surrounding this photo. To the racing community, to anyone who has worked with and loves horses and to anyone offended by this image I cannot apologise enough.

"Horse welfare and the care and attention to detail involved is absolutely at the core of everything we do here and both myself and all of my team pride ourselves on those standards.

"Again I apologise for any offence caused and ask people to consider this statement as opposed to the various falsehoods and misinformation being circulated on social media.

"At this time I would like to stress that I continue to extend my full cooperation with the ongoing IHRB investigation."

The image, posted from an account unconnected to the Grand National and Gold Cup-winning trainer, was widely circulated on the social media platform, leading the IHRB to tweet that it was aware of the picture on social media and that "an investigation was taking place".

Elliott initially responded on Twitter to say: "I'm aware of a photo in circulation on social media. The IHRB have been in contact with me regarding this photo and I will be cooperating fully with their investigation."

discodiva92

Scumbag

Imhof Tank

Huge disconnect between the outraged mob on social media with no clue what working with animals entails (warn him off for life) and what his owners will be thinking (what's all the fuss about?)

Seriously who with a horse there wouldn't be happy with his results and leave the training to the trainer. Say the likes of Philip Reynolds - no way is he going anywhere.

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redarmy wrote:

"I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking, I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished.

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JJs Left Hand

The explanation is so bad... Who ****ing approved that...better to give no context at all.

What a complete **** show

Imhof Tank

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

The explanation is so bad... Who ****ing approved that...better to give no context at all.

What a complete **** show

What's wrong with it? All he could have added was how he will be firing whatever staff took the pic and added the hilarious caption.
Such a total non story this. Daily Mail :rolleyes:

lemush

Imhof Tank wrote: »

What's wrong with it? All he could have added was how he will be firing whatever staff took the pic and added the hilarious caption.
Such a total non story this. Daily Mail :rolleyes:

If you think this is a "total non story" then you're an absolute clown.

blackcard

I think that there is going to be a lot of pressure on the Racing Authorities in Britain and Ireland to be seen to take some action particularly in the lead up to Cheltenham. But hard to see any of his horses being prevented from running. A large fine and a warning maybe?

JJs Left Hand

The photo shows him smiling and doing the peace sign and he says he was gesturing at someone to wait!!

He rightly spends 98% of the statement apologising but that one line has become the take out. Its horrendous PR.

I'm not outraged. It makes no difference to me. I am a bit disappointed that he sat down on the horse obviously as its just a bit ignorant but his attempt at context when the photo clear as day contradicts it just makes his whole statement worthless.

It actually defies logic that statement was released by any competent person in this day and age

Andrew00

Vermin

The Mig

Imhof Tank wrote: »

What's wrong with it? All he could have added was how he will be firing whatever staff took the pic and added the hilarious caption.
Such a total non story this. Daily Mail :rolleyes:

You honestly think this is a non story and a makey uppy daily mail story? Give your head a long oul wobble there

Imhof Tank

lemush wrote: »

If you think this is a "total non story" then you're an absolute clown.

Time will tell.

He will not be fined, banned, warned off, whatever.
Probably won't even be asked about the issue unless he brings it up himself in interviews. What question could he be asked anyway that would add anything useful to what' he's already said tonight?

Joe_ Public

Am repulsed by this, hard to conceive any trainer or horseman acting like that, let alone one of the biggest trainers either here or in the uk. As to possible sanctions, its difficult to know. Presumably he can be charged under the disrepute rule that governs the sports reputation. Remember there was a lot of bad publicity when they let davy off with a slap on the wrist a few years back, this is a step well beyond that i would say.

d00mk1n

The racing post app has given me a notification about the Elliott story. 1st time I’ve had a notification for anything from them...

Imhof Tank

The Mig wrote: »

You honestly think this is a non story and a makey uppy daily mail story? Give your head a long oul wobble there

It is a non story in the sense that it will go no further. Gordon elliot does not care if posters here think he is vermin and Ireland's leading scumbag. Ye are irrelevant lads. He cares what his clients think - the people he has delivered nothing but non stop winners to for the past 15 years.

abarkie

Imhof Tank wrote: »

It is a non story in the sense that it will go no further. Gordon elliot does not care if posters here think he is vermin and Ireland's leading scumbag. Ye are irrelevant lads. He cares what his clients think - the people he has delivered nothing but non stop winners to for the past 15 years.

If JP removes his horses then does it matter?

Beechwoodspark

My word, that bs statement from Gordon Elliot has made things even worse.

Judging by the reaction on social media nobody buys what he is selling and they are baying for him to be banned

BorneTobyWilde

Lets get real, 99% of trainer could not careless about the horse they use, and of course he will come out with some PC remark to make it sound like he cares, but they don't. I know a horse trainer who would not even waste a bullet on a horse that was no good, he attacked it with a JCB instead and killed it.
That's what these trainers are like.

Fitz*

Throw the book at him.

Imhof Tank

abarkie wrote: »

If JP removes his horses then does it matter?

That's what I'm saying - he never would. JP knows what goes on in yards.

Imhof Tank

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My word, that bs statement from Gordon Elliot has made things even worse.

Judging by the reaction on social media nobody buys what he is selling and they are baying for him to be banned

Exactly, social media are baying. I saw this described as "Racing darkest day" on another forum. Like this is really the worst thing that's ever happened in racing. Ok.

Augme

I know nothing about horse racing or any interest but when I read the apology and the reason I had to google the photo to see because the detailed explanation stood out. I hadn't seen the photo before reading the apology. When I did see the photo, haha, holy ****. What a bizarre thing to say.

On the back of the greyhound issues in Ireland, this really isn't a good look at all.

Anniepowaaa

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Lets get real, 99% of trainer could not careless about the horse they use, and of course he will come out with some PC remark to make it sound like he cares, but they don't. I know a horse trainer who would not even waste a bullet on a horse that was no good, he attacked it with a JCB instead and killed it.
That's what these trainers are like.

Absolute ****e I know for a fact Willie mullins for one absolutely adores his horses

The Mig

Imhof Tank wrote: »

It is a non story in the sense that it will go no further. Gordon elliot does not care if posters here think he is vermin and Ireland's leading scumbag. Ye are irrelevant lads. He cares what his clients think - the people he has delivered nothing but non stop winners to for the past 15 years.

He’s using one of his clients horses that has just died on the gallops to “take a phonecall” and pose for the camera doing peace signs. Fingers crossed all owners will leave the yard

BorneTobyWilde

Anniepowaaa wrote: »

Absolute ****e I know for a fact Willie mullins for one absolutely adores his horses

The ones that win that line his pocket maybe, what about the others, off grazing are they? Or butchered ?

Shanee.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The ones that win that line his pocket maybe, what about the others, off grazing are they? Or butchered ?

Or the ones that are upto their eyes on the improvement grass.....

Imhof Tank

The Mig wrote: »

He’s using one of his clients horses that has just died on the gallops to “take a phonecall” and pose for the camera doing peace signs. Fingers crossed all owners will leave the yard

So you hope all his owners will leave the yard over this.
But you can't actually think that will happen, do you??

The DayDream

Fann Linn wrote: »

My daughter works in the racing industry, not this yard, and the staff there are horrified with this photo. A bit of a generalisation to say that this sort of attitude is common.

Don't get me wrong plenty of the staff in such places love horses and you see stable girls and boys that look after them who you can tell love them to bits. Unfortunately they are so enamoured with the idea of earning a living by working with horses that they wear blinders (pardon the pun) the entire time, and are in denial that the sport is all about money and engages in animal cruelty.

It's like a lot of industries people want to work in, they have good intentions but the industry is corrupt from the top and ruled by greedy egomaniacs and rich sociopaths *cough* Michael O'Leary *cough* A person with a passion for photography goes into the fashion world and is suddenly telling teenage models they need to skip meals before their shoots, that sort of thing.

Anyone who thinks this attitude is just this one yard or person is naive and also in denial and just doesn't want to feel guilty supporting it.

And you're even more naive if you think anything will happen to him for this. It's not illegal to sit on a live horse, why would he punished for sitting on a dead one? It's in poor taste but so is his haircut.

No one will leave the yard over it and he will not be banned or anything like that. 'He won't show his face at Cheltenham'.... Get real. he certainly will be there. Sure as Shiskin will run in the Arkle.

If he were to miss the meeting then owners with horses in his yard would really be upset and then they might actually pull the plug, so he REALLY has to go over now to keep the show on the road.

The Mig

Imhof Tank wrote: »

So you hope all his owners will leave the yard over this.
But you can't actually think that will happen, do you??

I think it will happen. Obviously it’s too close to Cheltenham to move the horses. This isn’t just a racing story. This will be mainstream. Maybe there will be a chance to move them between cheltenham and Punchestown or the summer will see them all pulled and not go back to his

KaneToad

The DayDream wrote: »

The Elliott camp is of course trying to say it's fake. Doesn't look like photoshop to me, and would be a bizarre thing to conjure up for no reason.

Nothing surprising about it other than it got out. Anyone under any illusion that the people involved in horse training really love the animals and all that shíte they spout is incredibly naive. It's all for money.

It's pretty common though for people who work with animals daily to be fairly blasé about the death of them and have a dark sense of humor. Worked at a vet once and when I was new I was shocked to see a dead husky that was blocking a doorway be kicked across the floor out of the way by one of the techs. Years later I worked at a shelter and the only way you could deal with the horror of having animals you cared for put to death every week was become detached to a certain extent and dark jokes were a coping mechanism.

But this is a bad look. You could easily form the opinion after seeing that photo that GE isn't any better than the ones who were caught shooting greyhounds on the rte special that aired a few years ago he just makes a lot more money.

I remember when the IRA bomb scare stopped the '97 Grand National. Jenny Pitman was in tears about the poor horses being left alone in the stables.

“Don’t tell me these people love horses”

was the famous quote. I'd say, given the choice, the horses might rather hang out in the stables than endure the punishment of the Aintree course...

Bangor Billy

I could see Cheveley Park moving theirs before Cheltenham.

Imhof Tank

The Mig wrote: »

I think it will happen. Obviously it’s too close to Cheltenham to move the horses. This isn’t just a racing story. This will be mainstream. Maybe there will be a chance to move them between cheltenham and Punchestown or the summer will see them all pulled and not go back to his

Ok suppose theres nothing more to say just let's see what happens over the next while.

Andrew00

Cheveley Park or anyone else will not pull their horses from Elliot, especially before the festival

So don't be daft.

This will all be forgotten about in a weeks time.

Just like all the corruption and non triers are forgotten about