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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Yesterday will have cost them an absolute fortune in EU-261 claims I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Aer Lingus IT dept is shockingly bad . Blaming it on a cloud provider / network provider is one thing - any link can break , but its basic stuff to have a fallback , and for the fallback system to also go off is a sign of poor planning and execution . Did anyone see a CEO or COO on the ground yesterday ? Bet they werent' helping in the queues.


    Worst, in my view was customer service deleting tweets last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I have no insight and am not defending the airline but would you not hope that that the CEO, COO etc. were doing their actual jobs, which is to manage, direct and make decisions? I doubt they just took the day off.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    If it’s the case that better investment in IT could have prevented this, I’m can’t say if that’s true or not, but if it is… I kinda hope it does cost them a fortune because it may teach them that penny pinching ultimately has a cost…


    Its the frontline/ground staff and severely disrupted passengers I really feel for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Yes, I was caught up in that my friend was flying from Manchester to Dublin and eventually got booked on the last Ryanair from Manchester. No help from EI, said it was a mess there with no info.

    Even if it was a "general moan" it would be warranted. Airlines need to have much better back up systems in place. Nothing wrong with systems going down, but the back up should be up and running much quicker than happened her.

    To me, this felt like another poor business decision to cut costs and lack investment like so many other areas in the airline of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    Lack of redundancy/back-up seems fairly par for the course in IAG. Remember the various BA meltdowns. The model is to sweat the assets. It's still cheaper for them to clean up a mess than prevent the mess from happening so they'll continue to do that until the opposite is cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    EI going down for a day and we only get a few posts ?


    only corporate affairs fronting media yesterday, no media from CEO showing any kind of leadership ..... oh to be a fly on the wall and watch the blame game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    The IT setup in EI predates IAG even the cloud element. There are some very good arguments in favour of what they did and it worked really well until last weekend. The service provider took out EI and a number of other businesses. But it didn't appear they even had a reboot on the actual core equipment, it was as simple fibre cut.

    BA outsourced the whole deal and is running a very very complex PSS/DCS from Amedius Altéa (aka Fly) which is amazingly good on paper but can collapse and when it does getting it back up is very painful

    This is difficult stuff to do and even with infinite $$$ stuff breaks. EI's core code has run for hundreds of thousands of hours so the risk is more hardware than software as this issue show

    Post edited by goingnowhere on


  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭sherology


    I tend to agree, based on the rarity of EI IT issues over the years. Seems like it's always up. Once investigated, it can't happen again though, so their external cloud provider needs a backup cable provider. I assume they will be liable for the costs EI has incurred.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Noxegon



    One of the things I've learned from a long career in IT is that the words "can't happen" represent optimism to the point of foolishness. My all time favourite was seeing a data centre go offline due to the failure of two redundant links at the same time despite them going from completely different areas of the building. It subsequently turned out that the contractor doing the installation had routed both into the same conduit further downstream, right where a digger could cut them both simultaneously :)

    Anyway, dragging this slightly back on topic, I wonder whether anyone found a hotel room in Dublin that night given that Garth Brooks was on....

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    Does Emerald recruiting their own ground handling crew (advertising in last few days) suggest they no longer want EI handling their aircraft?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭VG31


    Sky Handling Partner do their handling currently, not EI.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    In fairness I think EI still do their check in and boarding so it appears to the public that EI do it



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    I would have assumed there were issues with the Sky Handling service if they're looking to insource the ground crew.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭Qprmeath


    Early Summer Sky Handling had major staffing issues but recently they seem to have sufficient numbers but inexperience I’d imagine is still an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,548 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Three DUB-LHR-DUB returns and one BHD-LHR-BHD cancelled due to congestion caused by That Funeral on Monday.

    I'm flying out of BHX that day and would be delighted with a much earlier flight - as there'll be nothing at all to do!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,497 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's beyond a joke really.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Aer Lingus have updated their seat maps to display the A320neo and interestingly, the Qatar Airways configured A330s.

    Does this suggest they'll remain in that configuration indefinitely?



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    It’s interesting that the A330-200 seat map is still showing. Are they confirmed to be returning? well they fit much better in the fleet than those awful ex Qatar aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Just an update on the flight I had recently on one of the ex-Qatar aircraft in Business. Avoid if possible, especially on eastbound. The seats are far too narrow when flat to sleep comfortably. Also there is zero storage space for anything. Lack of WiFi is an annoyance too.

    And an FYI for anyone traveling out of Chicago, Aer Lingus have moved to the newly opened gates at the very end of T5. It's a long walk and boarding was halted after it began for over 20 minutes because you pass through a glass tunnel that is used for arriving flights without preclearance, going infront of all of the other gates, so they had to secure the doors and let everyone off a 777-300 that arrived, before they could resume.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,497 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You'd wonder how Qatar ended up with such a substandard business class on these a/c in the first place...?

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Qatar, like the other Middle East carriers, regularly herald the ‘next big thing’ in on board products and seating but it’s usually exclusive to brand new deliveries, specific to particular aircraft types and limited to certain markets so rarely becomes the fleet wide standard.

    What was revolutionary in 2010, is now dated and inferior to most. Those Qatar A330s likely spent their final years on lower yielding markets; Africa, Central Europe, the sub-continent etc. while the glossy new seats we always see in advertising is reserved for the UK, western Europe, Australia and the US.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Gate M20-24 is only a 5-7 min walk from gate M9-10. (which is closest to the security exit)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    It looks like they can get bodies but the lack of experienced staff with a mixture of new staff,Seems to be the issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Aer Lingus website and app currently down, have been for much of the afternoon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Do u think the repainting will start back up in the winter for the new livery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I would say maybe where an aircraft is due for a repaint anyway, which was the stated approach originally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    The gates now go up to M40. They opened a new annex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Bad luck comes in threes usually what else will go wrong for EI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well EI-CVC appeared to go tech at LHR on Sunday, which caused a cancelled LHR-DUB service right bang in the middle of the website problems.

    It only returned to Dublin yesterday as EI991.

    So hopefully that was it!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    The Belfast City - London route seems to be heavily reduced in January with only 2 departures a day and the first flight being 13:10 on Wed, Thur, Fri and Sun. Also looks like on those days it originates from LHR. Is it true they are closing the base?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    EI107 operated by EI-FNH after suffering a bird strike on departure from Dublin. Micheal Martin on board on the way to New York.

    Landed back safely in DUB.

    EI-EIN expected to operate a replacement flight this evening



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    -EIN on it’s way to JFK currently #4 worldwide in terms of views on flightradar with over 1,200 tracking it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Looks like ei nsa will be delivered today



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Suggested elsewhere that EI-NSB has been bogged down in some paperwork issues, it was officially 'delivered' four months ago this week. Hopefully EI-NSA doesn't suffer a similar fate.

    Average seat pitch on the A320NEO is said to be 29" which is pretty standard these days, ahead of Ryanair's 28" on the MAX but noticeably tighter than the current A320 fleet. The cabin will really benefit from the addition of power outlets, in seat charging and wifi if those are still planned to go ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Cleveland is to be officially announced next week according to local media.

    Launches next May with a 4x weekly service backed by a $2m incentive package, $600k of which will be from the Cleveland City Council itself. I expect this will be another A321LR route.

    Buffalo, Denver and a return to Hartford are also strongly rumoured for next summer which, if they all materialise, would require considerable reshuffling and expansion of the long haul fleet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Probably when we'll begin to see EI look towards the a330neo unless there happy sticking to the a330ceo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    If IAD were to go back to a single daily A330 that would free up two LRs, then another 330 replacing the LR in MAN, or on DUB-EWR or DUB-YYZ accounts for the third potentially required. That still leaves DEN, unless one of the new routes other than CLE is only 3 x weekly.

    Staff were talking about 2 second hand A333s being sought at the beginning of the summer in addition to the reactivated A332s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭sherology


    Has there been by feedback on the a321lr performance improvement using the Xtra length of the North runway for takeoff... There was talk if it being suboptimal on the shorter south runway when fully loaded.


    Good news on potential expansion again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Has there been much opportunity for them to be used on the new runway yet? I believe most of the transatlantic A321LR departures happen after the current 1pm closing of the phased new runway ops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭Astral Nav


    Mainly an issue when DUB insist on operating 28L with and tailwind especially if wet. Really no justification for this unnecessary risk and complication.



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭sherology


    Oh, it's still not fully operational? Apologies 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Does US CBP have the capacity for these extra flights?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    I flew into Dublin from Toronto yesterday. Pissing rain, landed into the Ryanair gates. Had to use the steps!!! Many people connecting, what a joke of a first impression of this country. Are there not enough T2 stands with airbridges or what?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    With Aer Lingus? All of their arrivals from Toronto this week are showing as using the 400 gates, formerly known as Pier E at Terminal 2. All were air bridge stands too.

    Air Canada, Air Transat and WestJet are all regulars at the ‘Ryanair gates’ officially known as the 100s and formerly as Pier D. All are all non-airbridge stands so stairs are needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    The airline gets the gate they pay for. Contactless stands down at Pier D are cheaper. No idea why AC in particular have gone so cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9



    I mean given the situation at Troanto and AC's perforance on the route to DUB this summer. Not sure it was the worst first impression. Least it was an on time arrival!


    They are on D because the flight was on time!

    This is stand allocation rather than the Canadian carriers cutting costs. YUL/YVR use the 300 and YYZ mostly when over 2 hours late. Its a busy time for 300 gates with a few widebodies arriving and LH, IB, TK bunch of flights.

    I think AC would have to schedule there x2 daily flights after one another to have a 300 gate allocated to both.

    AC are/were regulars on 200/100 gates over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    It was air Canada. Over two hours and a half hours after the plane landed, the last bag came out onto the carousel. Mine and a few others bags didnt make it. 2.5 hours after the flight landed to find this out !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    NSB positions tomorrow morning SNN-DUB after a paperwork nightmare; A20N ops pencilled in from Wednesday 28/09. EI152 takes the honours.

    Post edited by Jack1985 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    EI to pull BHD base from end of October for Winter 2022/23, Cabin Crew to be offered redeployment. BA to take over services.



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