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Tokyo 2020 Qualifying. Athletes to watch

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  • #102
    Damo 2k9
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    2:11:51


  • #103
    AhhHere
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    Damo 2k9 wrote: »
    2:11:51
    Ah, balls


  • #104
    tbukela
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    He was all out at the end, just seconds off 4th. Great run by him.


  • #105
    Itziger
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    AhhHere wrote: »
    Ah, balls

    Some effort though. What a shame, does that mean Tokyo is out or can he still be sent. Was giving it everything there but just couldn't take 3rd or find the seconds needed.


  • #106
    KSU
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    Itziger wrote: »
    Some effort though. What a shame, does that mean Tokyo is out or can he still be sent. Was giving it everything there but just couldn't take 3rd or find the seconds needed.

    It will be a long wait. Might be enough to improve his ranking to put him in a spot but there is alot of time still in the window.


  • #107
    Itziger
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    KSU wrote: »
    It will be a long wait. Might be enough to improve his ranking to put him in a spot but there is alot of time still in the window.

    3 marathons in the last 5 months, no? Body must be well tired at this stage. Will he have one more attempt?!?!?!


  • #108
    Ceepo
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    KSU wrote: »
    It will be a long wait. Might be enough to improve his ranking to put him in a spot but there is alot of time still in the window.

    This and you can also bet that there will be a lot more automatic places with Saville, London Rotterdam and Paris marathons just to name a few.

    Can anyone clarify the qualifications criteria.
    From memory there were only 80 place. Being made up of automatic times and ranking places.
    Is this still the case.


  • #109
    MrMacPhisto
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    Itziger wrote: »
    3 marathons in the last 5 months, no? Body must be well tired at this stage. Will he have one more attempt?!?!?!

    I think he said he was doing Boston. Maybe he might look for an entry to London a week later instead?

    Whats the state of play now? Is this right?

    1. Pollock- 2:10:25
    2. Scullion- 2:11:51
    3. Clohisey- 2:13:xx
    4. Seaward- 2:13xx


  • #110
    AhhHere
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    Scullion just tweeted saying a 5th place finish in gold standard races qualifies him.

    https://twitter.com/scullion262/status/1218918852366684160


  • #111
    browne_rob5
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    Itziger wrote: »
    3 marathons in the last 5 months, no? Body must be well tired at this stage. Will he have one more attempt?!?!?!

    He has actually qualified already as he finished top 5 in an IAAF gold label marathon!


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  • #112
    KSU
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    This and you can also bet that there will be a lot more automatic places with Saville, London Rotterdam and Paris marathons just to name a few.

    Can anyone clarify the qualifications criteria.
    From memory there were only 80 place. Being made up of automatic times and ranking places.
    Is this still the case.

    80 including auto qualifiers but with only 3 per country it confuses things a bit.

    Currently the last person in a ranking position that will get a spot is on 1140 points based on a 1.01.58 half and 2.10.58 full.

    Between the bonus points for National Championships in Dublin and the Silver Label in Houston Scullion should overtake him putting him in a Q position following this weekend but only barely.


  • #113
    KSU
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    browne_rob5 wrote: »
    He has actually qualified already as he finished top 5 in an IAAF gold label marathon!

    I thought the Half was gold label and the full was silver?


  • #114
    browne_rob5
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    KSU wrote: »
    I thought the Half was gold label and the full was silver?

    The full became gold label this year


  • #115
    28064212
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    KSU wrote: »
    I thought the Half was gold label and the full was silver?
    Gold this year: https://www.chevronhoustonmarathon.com/2020-houston-marathon-elite-athlete-field-2/. Looks like he's good

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  • #116
    Lazare
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    AhhHere wrote: »
    Scullion just tweeted saying a 5th place finish in gold standard races qualifies him.

    https://twitter.com/scullion262/status/1218918852366684160

    Brilliant news


  • #117
    Ceepo
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    MrMacPhisto wrote: »
    I think he said he was doing Boston. Maybe he might look for an entry to London a week later instead?

    Whats the state of play now? Is this right?

    1. Pollock- 2:10:25
    2. Scullion- 2:11:51
    3. Clohisey- 2:13:xx
    4. Seaward- 2:13xx

    Am I right in saying that Pollock has an automatic slot due his time and Scullion because of point accrued.
    Clohisey or Seaward would need to run the time as it would be hard to see them getting the required points.


  • #118
    MrMacPhisto
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    Am I right in saying that Pollock has an automatic slot due his time and Scullion because of point accrued.
    Clohisey or Seaward would need to run the time as it would be hard to see them getting the required points.

    I think I read that two more Irish Athletes would have to achieve sub 2:11:30 in order to bump Scullion from getting a spot.

    I think Pollock is number 1 in the list.


  • #119
    KSU
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    Am I right in saying that Pollock has an automatic slot due his time and Scullion because of point accrued.
    Clohisey or Seaward would need to run the time as it would be hard to see them getting the required points.

    Top 5 in a Gold label event counts as an automatic qualifier so him and Pollock are viewed as being in the same boat.

    The only thing which could deny him now would be if more than 3 get Auto Qualifiers (either time or top 5 in any gold label marathon) in which case it would be down to AAI to select team. This would be down to there discretion in the selection policy.


  • #120
    Ceepo
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    KSU wrote: »
    Top 5 in a Gold label event counts as an automatic qualifier so him and Pollock are viewed as being in the same boat.

    The only thing which could deny him now would be if more than 3 get Auto Qualifiers (either time or top 5 in any gold label marathon) in which case it would be down to AAI to select team. This would be down to there discretion in the selection policy.

    Thanks.
    I dont see that happening tbh.
    It will be interesting to see how Sean Tobin gets on in Saville


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  • #121
    KSU
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    Thanks.
    I dont see that happening tbh.
    It will be interesting to see how Sean Tobin gets on in Saville

    Depends on how the last min changes to training camp affected him (with Fall Creeks being closed due to Bushfires)

    Would be a huge ask to put him in the mix off his debut especially as to my knowledge he has not yet ran a half.


  • #122
    browne_rob5
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    Anyone know what races big Mick and Seaward are targeting?

    You would think these gold label races are a good option. Someone in the club WhatsApp mentioned that 5th in Riga finished in 2.18 last year.


  • #123
    healy1835
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    browne_rob5 wrote: »
    Anyone know what races big Mick and Seaward are targeting?

    You would think these gold label races are a good option. Someone in the club WhatsApp mentioned that 5th in Riga finished in 2.18 last year.

    Think Clohisey is running Seville...


  • #124
    KSU
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    browne_rob5 wrote: »
    You would think these gold label races are a good option. Someone in the club WhatsApp mentioned that 5th in Riga finished in 2.18 last year.

    https://www.insider.com/amateur-runner-didnt-realize-hed-qualified-for-the-olympics-for-two-months-2016-8

    It should be noted though that in order to get gold label status a race must invite a minimum of 6 athletes ranked in the top 150 in the worldas well as an additional 4 ranked in top 100 in the continent and invite from a minumum of 5 different countries


  • #125
    Dodge
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    Marathon qualifiers are going to get messy. They didn’t expect even a quarter of the field to get the time and we have nearly 80 already inside it

    They’ve said there will be a limit of 80 and there will be way, way, way more than 80 qualifiers through IAAF finishes and times. (None will get a spot through the rankings)

    Let’s see how the IAAF and the IOC handle it


  • #126
    Ceepo
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    KSU wrote: »
    Depends on how the last min changes to training camp affected him (with Fall Creeks being closed due to Bushfires)

    Would be a huge ask to put him in the mix off his debut especially as to my knowledge he has not yet ran a half.

    Yeah, it certainly is a big ask on a debut.
    He has a lot if miles in the take all the same, and his physiological test indicate that his potential to run a good marathon.
    But as we know theres a difference in what the tests say and what happens on race day.

    I'd also agree that the quantification process is going to be messy.
    I guess IAAF/ Olympic committee dodnt allow for the Next % factor


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  • #127
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    Update from Sonia here on the progress of Aoife Cooke since her breakthrough in Dublin. Her coach might be a very familiar name to some around here :eek:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sonia-o-sullivan-tracking-the-marathon-olympic-journey-of-aoife-cooke-1.4148296?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


  • #128
    OOnegative
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Update from Sonia here on the progress of Aoife Cooke since her breakthrough in Dublin. Her coach might be a very familiar name to some around here :eek:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sonia-o-sullivan-tracking-the-marathon-olympic-journey-of-aoife-cooke-1.4148296?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Good jaysis!!


  • #129
    Itziger
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    OOnegative wrote: »
    Good jaysis!!

    It's not the same 'person' is it?!?!?!

    I follow Aoife on Strava and would love to see her doing well in this Olympic year.


  • #130
    KSU
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    Itziger wrote: »
    It's not the same 'person' is it?!?!?!

    I follow Aoife on Strava and would love to see her doing well in this Olympic year.

    Same person. Good to see her bounce back from injuries in earlier life and doing well.


  • #131
    IvoryTower
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    Why is the coach name familiar around here?


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  • #132
    sideswipe
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    IvoryTower wrote: »
    Why is the coach name familiar around here?

    Put 'Stazza' into the search box above and have a read. Her coach was a former poster here who's 'posting' style rubbed people up the wrong way. He was basically posting in a 'method acting style' as he was planning to write a book!


    Don't want to dig up the past but I think enough water has passed under the bridge. The Running Master's log can be found here, It's a decent read, just not sure if it should be categorised as fact or fiction!


  • #133
    IvoryTower
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    Well, he obviously knew his stuff anyway!


  • #134
    robinph
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    Dodge wrote: »
    Marathon qualifiers are going to get messy. They didn’t expect even a quarter of the field to get the time and we have nearly 80 already inside it

    They’ve said there will be a limit of 80 and there will be way, way, way more than 80 qualifiers through IAAF finishes and times. (None will get a spot through the rankings)

    Let’s see how the IAAF and the IOC handle it

    It's still only 3 per country though, and presumably most of those 80 are from just a couple of countries.


  • #135
    28064212
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    robinph wrote: »
    It's still only 3 per country though, and presumably most of those 80 are from just a couple of countries.
    Nope. Even just looking at 2019 (qualification window opened 01/01/2019), there were 373 individual runners that were 2:11:30 or lower. If you take out all-but-3 of each of the Kenyans, Ethiopians, and Japanese, you're still left with 118 athletes. Now there are a handful of other countries hitting double-figures (United States, Morocco), but it's looking like it will be very close to, if not more than, 80 qualifying through time alone

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  • #136
    KSU
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    28064212 wrote: »
    Nope. Even just looking at 2019 (qualification window opened 01/01/2019), there were 373 individual runners that were 2:11:30 or lower. If you take out all-but-3 of each of the Kenyans, Ethiopians, and Japanese, you're still left with 118 athletes. Now there are a handful of other countries hitting double-figures (United States, Morocco), but it's looking like it will be very close to, if not more than, 80 qualifying through time alone

    You can get a better idea here


    https://www.tokyorankings.com/mensmarathon


  • #137
    robinph
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    Just felt like having a play with a spreadsheet. :)

    Found 10 countries with more than three runners going 2:11:30 (ETH, KEN, UGA, MAR, BRN, ERI, JPN, USA, ESP, FRA)
    Another 7 with 3 (TUR, RSA, ITA, ISR, CHN, UKR, MEX)

    So that is 51 places taken already, the rest of the countries are mostly only getting 1, but there is indeed a total of 81 on that list with the time when limited to a max of three per country.

    ETH 99
    KEN 134
    TUR 3
    UGA 8
    GBR 2
    MAR 10
    BRN 7
    BEL 2
    NOR 1
    NED 1
    ERI 11
    SUI 1
    JPN 33
    USA 9
    RSA 3
    ITA 3
    ISR 3
    ESP 7
    NZL 1
    TAN 2
    CHN 3
    KOR 1
    FRA 4
    PER 1
    CAN 1
    SWE 1
    IRL 1
    PAR 1
    GER 1
    BDI 1
    AUT 2
    UKR 3
    MEX 3
    AUS 2
    RWA 2
    ARG 2
    DEN 1
    LES 1
    BRA 1
    PRK 1


  • #138
    average_runner
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    And how does it look after the places in gold label races are awarded?


  • #139
    28064212
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    KSU wrote: »
    You can get a better idea here

    https://www.tokyorankings.com/mensmarathon
    Good site, although they seem to say Arne Gabius is qualified, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't have a spot: 2:12:57 and 11th in New York, so not through either method

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  • #140
    healy1835
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    Scullion said on his podcast today that World Athletics confirmed that there will not be a limit of 80 and that anyone who meets the criteria will be eligible for selection by their country.


  • #141
    browne_rob5
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    healy1835 wrote: »
    Scullion said on his podcast today that World Athletics confirmed that there will not be a limit of 80 and that anyone who meets the criteria will be eligible for selection by their country.

    Yeah and I think the whole point of reducing the numbers in the marathon was so there was more room in the village for athletes from new sports. Now the marathon isn't even in Tokyo so that probably doesn't matter.


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  • #142
    Dodge
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    healy1835 wrote: »
    Scullion said on his podcast today that World Athletics confirmed that there will not be a limit of 80 and that anyone who meets the criteria will be eligible for selection by their country.

    Good to hear. As of now, Scullion is the only runner who has a place because of his finishing position in a race and who doesn’t have the time.

    Effectively, Vaporfly ruined any chance they had at keeping it to 80


  • #143
    Ceepo
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    I see Scullion is down on the start list for Boston on the 20 April.
    Not sure if he had planned on doing it as a back up if Houston went belly up, or if he actually plans to run it.

    baa.org/john-hancock-announces-2020-boston-marathon-elite-team


  • #144
    IvoryTower
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    I see Scullion is down on the start list for Boston on the 20 April.
    Not sure if he had planned on doing it as a back up if Houston went belly up, or if he actually plans to run it.

    baa.org/john-hancock-announces-2020-boston-marathon-elite-team

    On his podcast he says hes running it


  • #145
    Ceepo
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    IvoryTower wrote: »
    On his podcast he says hes running it

    4 marathons in 5 months.........Certainly an unconventional approach


  • #146
    IvoryTower
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    Ceepo wrote: »
    4 marathons in 5 months.........Certainly an unconventional approach

    Actually he said it's up in the air in todays podcast, will decide this week.


  • #147
    browne_rob5
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    IvoryTower wrote: »
    Actually he said it's up in the air in todays podcast, will decide this week.

    He's ruled himself out of Boston. Makes sense now that he has qualified.


  • #148
    IvoryTower
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    browne_rob5 wrote: »
    He's ruled himself out of Boston. Makes sense now that he has qualified.

    it will be fun to see what he can over the shorter distances :cool:


  • #149
    TFBubendorfer
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    browne_rob5 wrote: »
    He's ruled himself out of Boston. Makes sense now that he has qualified.

    Boston would have been a strange choice if he were aiming at qualification - it is a slow course


  • #150
    28064212
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    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    Boston would have been a strange choice if he were aiming at qualification - it is a slow course
    Maybe he got some long term weather reports and thought he could pull a Kawauchi on it :)

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  • #151
    average_runner
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    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    Boston would have been a strange choice if he were aiming at qualification - it is a slow course

    Its not that slow in the right conditions. Some world records would of been set there if it wasn't for the point to point layout, including a men's record


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