Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Irexit Freedom Party

Options
245678

Comments

  • Options
    #32
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,797 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    That's just common sense the family unit is the building block of any nation.

    They don't mean family units as the law in Ireland describes. They just mean married men and women to have babies and thats not what most Irish people accept as a definition any longer.


  • Options
    #33
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Other countries have relatively similar effective corp tax rates.
    We have the attraction of having a well educated population of native English speakers who jave close ties with both America and Europe.
    But none of that obviously counts.


    The claim that Ireland is well "educated" has been repeated so many times that people actually believe it. Never mind the fact that we have some of highest illiterately rates in Europe and our Universities are sliding down in global rankings.

    As for Ireland booming in the 60s: no we weren't! There was some growth but nothing in comparison to after we joined the EU.
    In the 1980s the economy was a basket case yet the EU did nothing to save us back then.





    We were in the toilet before the EU with very conservative economic policies. The aid from the EU along with being compelled to adhere to modern policies helped us out of the toilet to the point that were not a progressive multicultural nation.
    The so called aid we got from the EU is nothing compared to the amount of money they took from us.

    Also how is becoming a multicultural nation a good thing ? do you think Ireland should be like Sweden ?
    Check your sources. Greece dug a massive hole for themselves through reckless economic policies. They had a choice when the crap hit the fan: take loans from Europe and follow economic prudence or leave the EU.
    They should of left the EU. Merkel literally let greek people die on the streets yet she had no problem paying for "refugees" who were not even EU citizens.

    They made the choice and are now on the road to recovery. If it was so bad their socialist government wouldnt have stucknwith the big bad EU but that doesnt follow your bulls**t narrative!
    A Greek government that actually cared about its people would of left the EU.


  • Options
    #34
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    They don't mean family units as the law in Ireland describes. They just mean married men and women to have babies and thats not what most Irish people accept as a definition any longer.




    All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

    I don't see how that's controversial ?


  • Options
    #35
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,814 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

    I don't see how that's controversial ?

    Are you suggesting there is data suggesting that heterosexual couples are better to raise children? That is a lie. Its not controversial. It is wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Options
    #36
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    All the data shows that Married couples provide the best environment to raise children.

    I don't see how that's controversial ?
    What data?
    All the scientific research has found that kids need a loving home and it doesn't matter if it's heterosexual or homosexual.
    You're posts are based on spreading lies. If this is the new Ireland that you want the IMO you can feck right off.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yes and we signed away our freedom.


    The men of 1916 are turning in the graves.

    I'm always bemused at the invocation of the men of 1916.
    Sean Lemass was a veteran of the Easter Rising and he led us into the EEC.

    I would be interested to know what the men and women of 1916 would make of us leaving a union of peers that has brought prosperity and growth to follow the path being beaten by Tories and the likes of Nigel Farage.


  • Options
    #38
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,805 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Can't see these lads getting too far, as Brexit unfolds, they sound like they're stuck in a bit of a time warp, but shur best of luck to them


  • Options
    #39
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    I think their aim is try and get a mep seat. Hopefully the constituents cope what they are. Charlatans with slogans and no care for the Irish people at all.


  • Options
    #40
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Are you suggesting there is data suggesting that heterosexual couples are better to raise children? That is a lie. Its not controversial. It is wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.


    Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

    There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.


  • Options
    #41
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

    There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.
    On average? What is that meant to mean? The average set of heterosexual parents are better than the average set of gay parents? Where did you read this?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #42
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

    There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

    OK, I'll bite; heres two of the most recent, and also largest, studies on the issue of SSM couples raising children;

    http://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_Nontraditional_Families_Demography.pdf

    http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/lgb-parent-families-july-2014.pdf

    They both suggest that the families on average do just as well (or even slightly better) than the typical heterosexual couple. Have you any evidence to dispute these claims?

    Now I'll even toss a fig leaf here and say that that SSM families should make sure their children have a role model of the 'missing' gender so to speak - but on the fundamental question I think your simply mistaken about the statistical findings.


  • Options
    #43
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,814 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Heterosexual married couples on average provide the best environment to raise children.

    There will always be exceptions but I'm talking about on average.

    That isnt true though. You are making completely false statements.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Options
    #44
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    That isnt true though. You are making completely false statements.
    Just like his Brexit dream


  • Options
    #45
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Interesting question if they got rid of the anti-same-sex marriage, anti the abortion, anti-emigration ultra nationalism xenophobic elements would their leave the eu message get more support.


  • Options
    #46
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,660 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?


  • Options
    #47
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Interesting question if they got rid of the anti-same-sex marriage, anti the abortion, anti-emigration ultra nationalism xenophobic elements would their leave the eu message get more support.

    There would no longer be an Irexit party for a start. The only reason that these people exist at all is that the country is too liberal for their liking and they think that leaving the EU will change the country back to how it was prior to Jack Lynch.


  • Options
    #48
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    maccored wrote: »
    why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?

    The time to do this was after the bailout. There would have been more of a populist appetite for it back then as there was some resentment over the bailout conditions.

    Now, after seeing the shambles that is Brexit, there isn't a hope in hell of an Irexit movement getting off the ground in the near future. It would be like trying to sell thalidomide to pregnant women in 1957 versus trying to do it now.


  • Options
    #49
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    maccored wrote: »
    why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?
    erm, that is Brexit in a nutshell!


  • Options
    #50
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    maccored wrote: »
    why Irexit now? why not years ago? If the brits jumped over a cliff, does that mean we should too?




    Irexit might be the only way to avoid a hard border.


  • Options
    #51
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Irexit might be the only way to avoid a hard border.

    I don't see why Ireland should commit economic suicide simply because the UK did something monumentally stupid.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #52
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I don't see why Ireland should commit economic suicide simply because the UK did something monumentally stupid.




    In the long term we would actually gain financially from leaving the EU.


  • Options
    #53
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    In the long term we would actually gain financially from leaving the EU.

    How so?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Options
    #54
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    How so?


    Return of our fishing industry which is worth over 100 Billion.

    Relief from paying the EU bank debt which was not our debt to pay in the first place.

    No more payments into the EU.

    Control of our interest rates which actually caused the real economic boom of the 1990s.

    No more EU quotas for bogus asylum seekers or "refugees" who have cost the state billions over the years.

    Not letting in European criminals into Ireland will save the state many millions.

    The sugar industry in Ireland which was closed down by the EU can be started again.

    Complete control over our oil and gas assets.




    There are endless financial benefits in leaving the EU.

    Yes there would be some problems in the short term but in the long term we would be far better off if we left the EU.


  • Options
    #55
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Return of our fishing industry which is worth over 100 Billion.

    Source?
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    No more payments into the EU.

    How do you adjust for the loss of the US multinationals who employ so many people here? Grabbing the pennies that is our EU contribution by comparison will be scant comfort.
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Control of our interest rates which actually caused the real economic boom of the 1990s.

    Proof?
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    No more EU quotas for bogus asylum seekers or "refugees" who have cost the state billions over the years.

    Proof?
    Dr Brown wrote: »
    The sugar industry in Ireland which was closed down by the EU can be started again.

    Complete control over our oil and gas assets.

    Anything substantial at all or is it just soundbytes.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Options
    #56
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Return of our fishing industry which is worth over 100 Billion.

    Relief from paying the EU bank debt which was not our debt to pay in the first place.

    No more payments into the EU.

    Control of our interest rates which actually caused the real economic boom of the 1990s.

    No more EU quotas for bogus asylum seekers or "refugees" who have cost the state billions over the years.

    Not letting in European criminals into Ireland will save the state many millions.

    The sugar industry in Ireland which was closed down by the EU can be started again.

    Complete control over our oil and gas assets.




    There are endless financial benefits in leaving the EU.

    Yes there would be some problems in the short term but in the long term we would be far better off if we left the EU.

    Would we also get an additional 350 million that we could put into our NHS?


  • Options
    #57
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The sugar industry could be restarted in the morning if anyone wanted to.

    Our oil and gas deposits are mostly too expensive to extract and leaving the EU won't make them cheaper.


  • Options
    #58
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Return of our fishing industry which is worth over 100 Billion.
    Let's just start with this little nugget:
    1. Where has it been valued at 100 billion?
    2. 100 billion what? Euro, GBP? IEP? Roubles?
    3. Is this 100 Billion per annum or for the rest of time?
    4. Presumably youre assuming a huge export market in the EU so does the 100 Billion account for any import taxes to EU countries?
    5. Does the 100 Billion account for any import taxes to the UK?
    6. "Return of our fishing industry" - where had it gone?


  • Options
    #59
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    It was the immigrants. They took our seas away!


  • Options
    #60
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    These lads will definitely be getting my vote.

    The men of 1916 did not die so that Ireland could be ruled by the EU.
    I mean technically you're spot on, given the EU didn't exist in even its earliest form for about 42 years after they died.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #61
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    We can't even pass a budget without EU approval.

    Uh... and why do you think that is?

    Secondly, you know this isn't general EU policy I hope?


Advertisement