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    #152
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is woefully underrepresented in the EU. The european parliament is supposed to be the democratic check on the EC but they currently pass EC law without scrutiny.

    EU law is above national law, the EC churns out this law from the obscurity of Brussels

    Can you prove there is no scrutiny?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #153
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is woefully underrepresented in the EU.
    Ireland is over-represented per capita in the EU.
    The european parliament is supposed to be the democratic check on the EC but they currently pass EC law without scrutiny.
    Statement of fact supported by zero evidence = false.
    EU law is above national law, the EC churns out this law from the obscurity of Brussels
    EU law is actually not superior to national law in terms of the sovereign. EU Regulations have direct effect, but do not apply to the sovereign of Member States. EU Directives must be implemented by national legislation and, where necessary, require Constitutional referenda.

    In short: everything you wrote is nonsense.


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    #154
    dulpit
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is woefully underrepresented in the EU. The european parliament is supposed to be the democratic check on the EC but they currently pass EC law without scrutiny.

    EU law is above national law, the EC churns out this law from the obscurity of Brussels

    Ireland has a population that amounts to ~0.93%. We have 11 MEPs from last parliament, which is 1.46%. We have 1 commissioner out of 28, which is 3.57%. The European council has 30 people if you include the 2 non-voting members, which is 3.33%. By any count, we're over represented.

    (Note: these are based on UK still being in).


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    #155
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is woefully underrepresented in the EU. The european parliament is supposed to be the democratic check on the EC but they currently pass EC law without scrutiny.

    EU law is above national law, the EC churns out this law from the obscurity of Brussels
    Every so often you or another Irexit fan arrives and posts the same nonsense.
    All of it based on no facts and just the kind of wishy washy shíte you see on Facebook.


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    #156
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is woefully underrepresented in the EU. The european parliament is supposed to be the democratic check on the EC but they currently pass EC law without scrutiny.

    EU law is above national law, the EC churns out this law from the obscurity of Brussels

    Bit of reading in order.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/chapter/209/how-the-european-union-works


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    #157
    ancapailldorcha
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    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #158
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Mass Immigration of any kind is bad for Ireland.
    Is this regarding the foreign nurses? The foreign doctors? Or the people that will do the jobs that are "beneath" those on the dole who complain about the foreigners taking their jobs?
    expectationlost wrote: »
    they havn't applied to be a political party yet have they? not on register
    This allows them to not have to show where the donations are coming from, I think?
    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland needs to align with post brexit UK
    So that every single *RA spin off does a bombing campaign in the UK again?


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    #159
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    the_syco wrote: »
    Is this regarding the foreign nurses? The foreign doctors? Or the people that will do the jobs that are "beneath" those on the dole who complain about the foreigners taking their jobs?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pFD3rmHA3s


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    #160
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    dulpit wrote: »
    Ireland has a population that amounts to ~0.93%. We have 11 MEPs from last parliament, which is 1.46%. We have 1 commissioner out of 28, which is 3.57%. The European council has 30 people if you include the 2 non-voting members, which is 3.33%. By any count, we're over represented.

    (Note: these are based on UK still being in).

    0.93 to 1.46. It's still nothing.

    Ireland obviously doesn't like to govern itself. Cut free from the British and after a few years we need someone else to tell us how to run the country.

    Ireland has no say in the EU we just do what we are told.

    They'll have no issue sacrificing our wellbeing for the sake of the european project and to try to make an example of the UK.

    Best solution now, especially if there is a hard brexit, would be for Ireland to follow suit.


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    #161
    ancapailldorcha
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    Do you have any sort of logical, fleshed-out argument at all or are soundbytes the limit of insight I can expect here?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #162
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    dulpit wrote: »
    Ireland has a population that amounts to ~0.93%. We have 11 MEPs from last parliament, which is 1.46%. We have 1 commissioner out of 28, which is 3.57%. The European council has 30 people if you include the 2 non-voting members, which is 3.33%. By any count, we're over represented.

    (Note: these are based on UK still being in).

    European commission is unelected and undemocratic and they draft all the laws.

    Some FG yes man gets appointed for being a good boy.


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    #163
    ancapailldorcha
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    European commission is unelected and undemocratic and they draft all the laws.

    Some FG yes man gets appointed for being a good boy.

    Separation of the executive and the legislature is a foundational tenet of most liberal democracies.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #164
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Do you have any sort of logical, fleshed-out argument at all or are soundbytes the limit of insight I can expect here?

    What, like the comic strip you posted above?


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    #165
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Separation of the executive and the legislature is a foundational tenet of most liberal democracies.

    Usually the elected parliament is capable of drafting laws.


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    #166
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stefanovich wrote: »
    0.93 to 1.46. It's still nothing.

    The goalposts are back behind you. You claimed we were woefully underrepresented, were given actual facts and figures to prove the contrary, and now seem to be in a completely different stadium altogether.


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    #167
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hurrache wrote: »
    The goalposts are back behind you. You claimed we were woefully underrepresented, were given actual facts and figures to prove the contrary, and now seem to be in a completely different stadium altogether.

    Ireland is a little fish in a big pond with German and French sharks.

    If you are okay with Germany and France dictating the laws here then fine. If, on the other hand, you think that Irish sovereignty is worth protecting then you must acknowledge that ceding power to Brussels is an afront to that sovereignty.

    Now we will be a situation where the UK leaves Europe and Europe forces Ireland to restrict trade and movement between here and the UK.

    Once they force us to increase the corporate tax rate our economy will be well and truely screwed.

    At least we got to get one back at the little Englanders!


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    #168
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    What laws have France and Germany dictated to us, should be easy to detail a few.


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    #169
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hurrache wrote: »
    What laws have France and Germany dictated to us, should be easy to detail a few.

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html?locale=en


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    #170
    Seth Brundle
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html?locale=en
    Is that your example? :rolleyes:


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    #171
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stefanovich wrote: »
    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/oj/direct-access.html?locale=en

    Not sure if you posted the wrong link.

    Anyway, detail what laws Germany and France dictated to us?


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    #172
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Is that your example? :rolleyes:

    Feel free to browse. The general focus seems to be protectionism and price fixing and unnecessary regulation.


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    #173
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Feel free to browse. The general focus seems to be protectionism and price fixing and unnecessary regulation.

    No, you made another unsubstantiated claim, one you seem so sure of, and yet when asked, to nobodies surprise, you're unable to give even one example.

    Thankfully our electorate are much more sophisticated and not as dumb as Herman hoped for. How's his polling looking?


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    #174
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Hurrache wrote: »
    No, you made another unsubstantiated claim, one you seem so sure of, and yet when asked, to nobodies surprise, you're unable to give even one example.

    Thankfully our electorate are much more sophisticated and not as dumb as Herman hoped for. How's his polling looking?

    Sophisticated. Is that how you feel as new Europeans?


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    #175
    ancapailldorcha
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    What, like the comic strip you posted above?

    Not remotely. That was a meme.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    Usually the elected parliament is capable of drafting laws.

    It's not supposed to be. Classical English liberal thought is that powers should be separated as much as possible. It's why we have an independent judiciary. The Legislature should not be drafting and approving its own laws.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #176
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Sophisticated. Is that how you feel as new Europeans?

    So you can read my posts.

    Those German and French dictated laws?


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    #177
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Feel free to browse.

    Ie, feel free to make your argument for you. No thanks.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #178
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Feel free to browse. The general focus seems to be protectionism and price fixing and unnecessary regulation.
    So in other words you have no examples of laws that France and Germany have dictated to us.
    Not even one!
    :rolleyes:


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    #179
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    So in other words you have no examples of laws that France and Germany have dictated to us.
    Not even one!
    :rolleyes:
    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Ie, feel free to make your argument for you. No thanks.

    So numerous and entangled. Reading that site is like exploring a cancerous tumour.


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    #180
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ireland is a little fish in a big pond with German and French sharks.

    If you are okay with Germany and France dictating the laws here then fine. If, on the other hand, you think that Irish sovereignty is worth protecting then you must acknowledge that ceding power to Brussels is an afront to that sovereignty.

    Now we will be a situation where the UK leaves Europe and Europe forces Ireland to restrict trade and movement between here and the UK.

    Once they force us to increase the corporate tax rate our economy will be well and truely screwed.

    At least we got to get one back at the little Englanders!

    There's no doubt France and Germany seem to set the agenda for the EU, I thought our tax rate and neutrality was one of the amendments (excuses) to rerun the Lisbon vote and now the EU seems to be working on both, anyhooo Herman Kelly got my vote yesterday, I don't like the carry on out of the EU with its complete lack of respect for democracy whilst claiming to be some gold standard of democracy and were its heading


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    #181
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    dulpit wrote: »
    The EU is anti democracy. You'll see, after all of the voting that happens this weekend. :rolleyes:

    It has a piss poor history of respecting national referendums, there either rerun or completely ignored and brought in through the backdoor


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