Tommy Robinson jailed

Eircom_Sucks · 14-02-2019 1:10pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Funny whenever you see him interviewing those who hate him they can never give a logical reason why they hate him just what they have heard from others.why not actually listen to what he says instead of being told what to think by the media because he really isn't the bogeyman they make him out to be.

personally i think he is a legend to be honest

he's no saint , but who is

any video's i've seen of him interviewing people , they haven't a clue what to say to him , except the press said this and that etc

he speaks facts and only one in uk who has the gonads to go after extremists

watch his skynews interview , he live streams all his interviews as they happen so his words can't be mixed or twisted

sky news basically cut and edited the interview to suit their agenda

same with the bbc

people here are afraid to speak out against the mass allowance of foreigners here from war torn countries because you will be called a racist

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow.

That's some site. Some of the citations are tenuous at best.

Perhaps read some interviews with the man himself or even some videos that were posted up a few pages ago for some balance.

what citations are tenous?

14-02-2019 1:14pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what citations are tenous?

The ones that link back to the Telegraph "article" on the "real" Tommy Robinson. It's basically just a hit piece that wouldn't be out of place on Vice or Buzzfeed.

Odhinn · 14-02-2019 1:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Highlighting crime that was not being acted upon due to the police being afraid of being branded racist is not racism.

Being anti immigration is not racist.

Disagreeing with an ideology and highlighting the worrying parts of that ideology is not racism.

But joining the BNP, the EDL and going on about "pakis" is.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2019 1:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think reported cases of paedophelia carried out by white british people are not acted upon for fear of racism.

Is that true? Why limit it to racism? There were recent revelations about sexual abuse in private schools in England.

Sexual abuse by white teachers and monks was covered up. Seems right up TR’s street but he wasn’t interested in that.

So he was exorcised about non white muslim sexual abusers, but wasn’t interested in white Christian sexual abusers. I wonder what’s the difference that means he was so interests in one and silent on the other.... I wonder.

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The ones that link back to the Telegraph "article" on the "real" Tommy Robinson. It's basically just a hit piece that wouldn't be out of place on Vice or Buzzfeed.

so what in that article is untrue?

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:19pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is that true? Why limit it to racism? There were recent revelations about sexual abuse in private schools in England.

Sexual abuse by white teachers and monks was covered up. Seems right up TR’s street but he wasn’t interested in that.

So he was exorcised about non white muslim sexual abusers, but wasn’t interested in white Christian sexual abusers. I wonder what’s the difference that means he was so interests in one and silent on the other.... I wonder.

He wasnt bothered about white christian sexual abusers that he knew personally so why would he care about ones he did not know?

piplip87 · 14-02-2019 1:20pm

People had genuine concerns about immigration but where called racist when they bought them up. SJWS and open border types shout down anybody with a different view, lables them racist, islamphobic etc.The media and politicians not wanting to be seen as racist follow suit.

People who are not racist but have genuine concerms regarding education needs, treatment of women or benefits have nowhere to turn in the mainstream political or media so where do they go ?

In steps Tommy a man with multiple convictions, he takes them genuine concerms and morphs them into an anti immigrant agenda, he uses the fear some may have and transforms it into hate. All while screaming he is been silenced.

Then comes the genius part. The collection bucket comes out. "They are silencing me", "they are going to kill me" "Facebook are close to disabling my account but if you donate by following the link you can keep recieving my videos".

All that been said if he wasn't appealing to the lowest common denominator and been quite racist in his ways he has shone a light on a few issues. This expose of the BBC could really be good. Judging by what he has leaked so far it could be quite embarrassing.

In fairness to him too the leak of his WhatsApp conversation is ridiculous too. Jaysus there's worse any group of lads what's apps.n

El_Duderino 09 · 14-02-2019 1:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He wasnt bothered about white christian sexual abusers that he knew personally so why would he care about ones he did not know?

Is that true?

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:26pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is that true?

that tommy has friends in the EDL that have been convicted of sexual abuse? Yes it is. It has been linked to numerous times already on this thread.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:29pm

piplip87 wrote: »

People had genuine concerns about immigration but where called racist when they bought them up. SJWS and open border types shout down anybody with a different view, lables them racist, islamphobic etc.The media and politicians not wanting to be seen as racist follow suit.

Utter nonsense.

The media has been peddling Xenophobia and racism for decades. It's highly profitable.

Eircom_Sucks · 14-02-2019 1:31pm

piplip87 wrote: »

People had genuine concerns about immigration but where called racist when they bought them up. SJWS and open border types shout down anybody with a different view, lables them racist, islamphobic etc.The media and politicians not wanting to be seen as racist follow suit.

People who are not racist but have genuine concerms regarding education needs, treatment of women or benefits have nowhere to turn in the mainstream political or media so where do they go ?

In steps Tommy a man with multiple convictions, he takes them genuine concerms and morphs them into an anti immigrant agenda, he uses the fear some may have and transforms it into hate. All while screaming he is been silenced.

Then comes the genius part. The collection bucket comes out. "They are silencing me", "they are going to kill me" "Facebook are close to disabling my account but if you donate by following the link you can keep recieving my videos".

All that been said if he wasn't appealing to the lowest common denominator and been quite racist in his ways he has shone a light on a few issues. This expose of the BBC could really be good. Judging by what he has leaked so far it could be quite embarrassing.

In fairness to him too the leak of his WhatsApp conversation is ridiculous too. Jaysus there's worse any group of lads what's apps.n

Luton 20 years ago 1 mosque

luton now 50 + moques

abu hamza ( guy with the hook ) was a hate preacher in these moques

there is a full background into this if you bother to check

the guy can't set foot in his hometown because of the muslims , such a peaceful non backwards religon

whatever about his past

what he is saying now is true about the extremists

FACT 95 % of the knife crime in the uk ( talking about murders of young teenagers ) is muslim gangs , they were not in the uk 20 years ago

grooming gangs were not there 20 years ago

wait till we are swamped with it , and believe me it will happen , will your opinion still be the same

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:32pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Luton 20 years ago 1 mosque

luton now 50 + moques

abu hamza ( guy with the hook ) was a hate preacher in these moques

there is a full background into this if you bother to check

the guy can't set foot in his hometown because of the muslims , such a peaceful non backwards religon

whatever about his past

what he is saying now is true about the extremists

FACT 95 % of the knife crime in the uk ( talking about murders of young teenagers ) is muslim gangs , they were not in the uk 20 years ago

grooming gangs were not there 20 years ago

wait till we are swamped with it , and believe me it will happen , will your opinion still be the same

Presumably you have a citation for your fact?

Odhinn · 14-02-2019 1:32pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Luton 20 years ago 1 mosque

luton now 50 + moques

abu hamza ( guy with the hook ) was a hate preacher in these moques

there is a full background into this if you bother to check

the guy can't set foot in his hometown because of the muslims , such a peaceful non backwards religon

whatever about his past

what he is saying now is true about the extremists

FACT 95 % of the knife crime in the uk ( talking about murders of young teenagers ) is muslim gangs , they were not in the uk 20 years ago

grooming gangs were not there 20 years ago

wait till we are swamped with it , and believe me it will happen , will your opinion still be the same

You wouldn't happen to have a source for that?

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:35pm

Odhinn wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to have a source for that?

It's in his post. When you type "fact" as all caps, it's automatically true.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:39pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Luton 20 years ago 1 mosque

luton now 50 + moques

Nope. 26:

https://mosques.muslimsinbritain.org/maps.php#/town/Luton

I'll just ignore the rest of your post as the drivel it obviously is.

Eircom_Sucks · 14-02-2019 1:41pm

Odhinn wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to have a source for that?

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/05/30697902_1396931993745396_1512920659720667136_n.jpg

figure alone is chilling

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:43pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/05/30697902_1396931993745396_1512920659720667136_n.jpg

figure alone is chilling

How about the actual Snopes page instead of some random trollpic?

Odhinn · 14-02-2019 1:44pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/05/30697902_1396931993745396_1512920659720667136_n.jpg

figure alone is chilling

That's just a pic....a source, if you would please.

Eircom_Sucks · 14-02-2019 1:44pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

How about the actual Snopes page instead of some random trollpic?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:45pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

Did you even read this? The trollbait didn't come from Snopes and they say the claim is unproven.

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:47pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/05/30697902_1396931993745396_1512920659720667136_n.jpg

figure alone is chilling

I went and found the snopes article that image is from. Basically you are just repeating figures that have been made up. So either you knew that it was unproven and therefore lied or it makes you look much, much worse.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

Odhinn · 14-02-2019 1:47pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

From your article -

We found no evidence to support the notion that the vast majority of such crimes were committed by Muslim immigrants.

We turned up no available figures on the proportion of knife crimes in 2017 perpetrated by Muslims, or by immigrants, or by Muslim immigrants. Neither the Office for National Statistics, nor the Home Office, nor the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime, has published any such data, so it is entirely unclear what the source of the “11,000” figure claimed in the meme is.

I see sheep · 14-02-2019 1:48pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

"The most recent report, in 2016, showed that of the 25,121 people convicted for a violent crime that year, 83 percent identified as white, 7 percent identified as black; and 5.8 percent identified as Asian."

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:49pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Did you even read this? The trollbait didn't come from Snopes and they say the claim is unproven.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I went and found the snopes article that image is from. Basically you are just repeating figures that have been made up. So either you knew that it was unproven and therefore lied or it makes you look much, much worse.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-knife-crime-muslims/

Odhinn wrote: »

From your article -

a classic self own. One for the ages i feel.

Eircom_Sucks · 14-02-2019 1:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a classic self own. One for the ages i feel.

self own ??

cause i'm trying to wind up the muppets here ??

yeah good one alright

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 1:55pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

self own ??

cause i'm trying to wind up the muppets here ??

yeah good one alright

who is it exactly you think you are winding? You're just making yourself look like a fool.

ancapailldorcha · 14-02-2019 1:57pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

self own ??

cause i'm trying to wind up the muppets here ??

yeah good one alright

Genuine concerns indeed.

paulmcn81 · 14-02-2019 1:57pm

He is a bottom feeding little racist, jail is way too good for him.

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-02-2019 2:10pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

self own ??

cause i'm trying to wind up the muppets here ??

yeah good one alright

Ah stop would ya.

You posted that thinking you haf "proof" to back up your ridiculous claim, you obviously hadn't read any of it you just chose to use the meme.

Typical of you and your ilk to believe such nonsense :rolleyes:

Mutant z · 14-02-2019 2:10pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

personally i think he is a legend to be honest

he's no saint , but who is

any video's i've seen of him interviewing people , they haven't a clue what to say to him , except the press said this and that etc

he speaks facts and only one in uk who has the gonads to go after extremists

watch his skynews interview , he live streams all his interviews as they happen so his words can't be mixed or twisted

sky news basically cut and edited the interview to suit their agenda

same with the bbc

people here are afraid to speak out against the mass allowance of foreigners here from war torn countries because you will be called a racist

He certainly conducts himself in a far more classy way than the likes of leftist twats such as Owen Jones but of course he's outside the echo chamber groupthink and gets slaughtered for it the same way anyone who doesn't have full on leftist views gets slaughtered.

Odhinn · 14-02-2019 2:11pm

Mutant z wrote: »

He certainly conducts himself in a far more classy way than the likes of leftist twats such as Owen Jones but of course he's outside the echo chamber groupthink and gets slaughtered for it the same way anyone who doesn't have full on leftist views gets slaughtered.

How many convictions has the owens lad?

Mutant z · 14-02-2019 2:18pm

Odhinn wrote: »

How many convictions has the owens lad?

Why drag up the past and I can't help noticing how those with leftist views appear to be far more intolerant of dissent of those than those who are supposedly on the right and resort to name calling and childish temper tantrums when they don't get their own way and calling for no platforming of views they don't agree with this is a huge problem on the left which anyone with a bit of common sense couldn't deny.

RWCNT · 14-02-2019 2:19pm

Mutant z wrote: »

He certainly conducts himself in a far more classy way than the likes of leftist twats such as Owen Jones

I'm not a fan of Owen Jones either but jesus christ, I laughed out loud at that. Your definition of "classy" is definitely wildly divergent from the average person's. If you have any anecdotes about Owen Jones filming himself chatting about scoring coke, calling taxi drivers "Pakis", getting in public brawls, turning up to people's parents' houses to intimidate them or anything in that ballpark then please enlighten me.

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:21pm

RWCNT wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Owen Jones either but jesus christ, I laughed out loud at that. Your definition of "classy" is definitely wildly divergent from the average person's. If you have any anecdotes about Owen Jones filming himself chatting about scoring coke, calling taxi drivers "Pakis", getting in public brawls, turning up to people's parents' houses to intimidate them or anything in that ballpark then please enlighten me.

Not forgetting publicly describing a 15 year olds girl as "fit". Though being tommy he couldn't help throwing in a bit of casual racism as well.

Mutant z · 14-02-2019 2:28pm

Criticising an ideology is perfectly reasonable imo i just don't understand the double standards of many on the left who are very quick to call out homophobia and sexism when it comes to white christians but remain remarkably silent about homophobia and sexism within islam which is far worse than anything ever from the west even at it's worse why the sudden silence when it comes to human right issues within islam.

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:30pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not forgetting publicly describing a 15 year olds girl as "fit". Though being tommy he couldn't help throwing in a bit of casual racism as well.

In fairness that girl looked well over the age, he wouldn't be the first to make a mistake like that. At least he's not raping 15 year olds.

Grayson · 14-02-2019 2:31pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Presumably you have a citation for your fact?

I doubt he does. If you google how many mosques in luton the very first result is a map with all 26 mosques location. If the first figure he runs with is made up then I'd imagine the rest is too.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-02-2019 2:32pm

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

self own ??

cause i'm trying to wind up the muppets here ??

yeah good one alright

Stay classy, dude! Jesus loves you! :cool:

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:33pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Criticising an ideology is perfectly reasonable imo i just don't understand the double standards of many on the left who are very quick to call out homophobia and sexism when it comes to white christians but remain remarkably silent about homophobia and sexism within islam which is far worse than anything ever from the west even at it's worse why the sudden silence when it comes to human right issues within islam.

why do think every body opposed to tommy is on the left? Are you only able to see the world in binary terms? Is any nuance possible?

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:35pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

In fairness that girl looked well over the age, he wouldn't be the first to make a mistake like that.

her age was clearly stated in her profile. Would you have been so quick to forgive if it was a muslim man talking to a white girl?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

At least he's not raping 15 year olds.

So you are ok with grooming 15 year olds then?

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:35pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why do think every body opposed to tommy is on the left? Are you only able to see the world in binary terms? Is any nuance possible?

Are you on the left?

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:36pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Are you on the left?

absolutely not. I just cant stand hatemongering racist trolls like tommy.

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

her age was clearly stated in her profile. Would you have been so quick to forgive if it was a muslim man talking to a white girl?

So you are ok with grooming 15 year olds then?

Who's been grooming 15 year olds?

The_Kew_Tour · 14-02-2019 2:36pm

Stephen has really shown his true colours lately

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:37pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Who's been grooming 15 year olds?

how would you describe what he did?

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:38pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how would you describe what he did?

Told a girl online she was fit, she doesn't look 15 she looks a lot older. He had no contact at all with her after she said she was 15. how would you describe it?

ohnonotgmail · 14-02-2019 2:41pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Told a girl online she was fit, she doesn't look 15 she looks a lot older. He had no contact at all with her after she said she was 15. how would you describe it?

the old "she looked a lot older your honour" defence. She wasn't. As was quite publicly stated in her profile.

Mutant z · 14-02-2019 2:41pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why do think every body opposed to tommy is on the left? Are you only able to see the world in binary terms? Is any nuance possible?

Not all but a huge chunk certainly are but if they ever actually stopped and listened to his arguments instead of calling him every insult under the sun they may find he has a point about islam and what it entails but somehow speaking about it makes him the most hateful person on the planet i just don't get it.

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:41pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the old "she looked a lot older your honour" defence. She wasn't. As was quite publicly stated in her profile.

So what you are saying is he is guilty of grooming a child?

Tommy Robinson jailed

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