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stephen_n · 19-02-2018 8:17am

swiwi_ wrote: »

I dunno. If someone invaded Ireland would you just say « stupid » or would you go out and fight?

Among other things the Vietnam War was stupid because there was no real buy-in from the South. If you go where you’re not wanted your bound to fail.

I’d hate to fight but if it was a question of defending the wife & kids and the surrounding community from a foreign invader I probably would.

Yes but that’s not exactly what I meant, defending yourself against invasion isn’t stupid, but the invasion in the first place is. We tend to glorify war based on victory, or a perceived right and wrong. The fact is, going to war is stupid, because generally it serves the need of few and costs the lives of many. In most cases the few it serves are the ones with the least direct involvement.

mfceiling · 19-02-2018 9:12am

errlloyd wrote: »

Hipsters like nice things. It's what differentiates them from actual hippies who like "good" things.

Funny how people give out about "hipster shìte".

That "hipster shìte" have given us great coffee, wonderful selections of beers, the whole donut experience etc. Areas that were once down at heel are now buzzing with life - nice bars, coffee shops, cafes etc.

I think it's great that you can go into a bar now and get a selection of 30+ beers rather than the same 5 diageo bland pìss that's been a staple in every pub since forever.

molloyjh · 19-02-2018 9:17am

swiwi_ wrote: »

.ak wrote: »

Yeah but without it we’d never have Apocolypse Now.

One of the most boring films I’ve ever watched.

Platoon on the other hand...

“Free your mind, your @ss will follow.”

“When the machine breaks down, we break down. And I won’t allow that. In any of ya.”

Great movie. Haven’t watched it in years, must set aside some time for the this week.

stephen_n · 19-02-2018 10:27am

The ride of the Valkaries sceene in apocalypse now, is worth the entry fee on its own.

“I love the smell of Napalm in the morning”

Zzippy · 19-02-2018 10:41am

Both good movies. Hamburger Hill and Full Metal Jacket another couple of good ones that came out of that war.

sydthebeat · 19-02-2018 11:10am

Zzippy wrote: »

Both good movies. Hamburger Hill and Full Metal Jacket another couple of good ones that came out of that war.

best vietnam war movie was 'the deer hunter'

didi mao ... DIDI MAO !!

swiwi_ · 19-02-2018 11:32am

sydthebeat wrote: »

best vietnam war movie was 'the deer hunter'

didi mao ... DIDI MAO !!

Yeah that was a good movie as well.

I hated, HATED, Apocolypse Now. But it's considered "cool" to find it a classic. And I imagine some people do actually like it too.

.ak · 19-02-2018 12:35pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

One of the most boring films I’ve ever watched.

Platoon on the other hand...

.ak · 19-02-2018 12:37pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

You ever read Chickenhawk by Robert Mason?

It highlighted how stupid it was before it got really stupid!

Also you'll fancy your chances of being able to at least hover in a helicopter after reading it.

+1

Brilliant book, got me into flying helicopters / getting my pilots licence.

.ak · 19-02-2018 12:42pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Yeah that was a good movie as well.

I hated, HATED, Apocolypse Now. But it's considered "cool" to find it a classic. And I imagine some people do actually like it too.

I absolutely love trippy movies, and as most of the cast were out of their mind on pyschadelics this movie transcends the form of imitation for me. There’s a deep resonance of something dark from every shot that they actually managed to edit together despite the many issues filming, you can feel the tension through the film, tension that was not intentional, and that’s the actual star for me. It’s a piece of history not because of the subject manner but because of how it was made and the nature that surrounded it.

You will never see anything done like it again.

But yeah, I can see why people would find it boring. In terms of a traditional bit of story telling **** all happens. My missus fell asleep about 40 min in when I showed it to her.

Yeah_Right · 19-02-2018 12:44pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Yeah that was a good movie as well.

I hated, HATED, Apocolypse Now. But it's considered "cool" to find it a classic. And I imagine some people do actually like it too.

It is a classic you heathen!!

And so is Platoon.

I liked all the movies mentioned so far and I'd like to add We Were Soldiers to the list. I'd read the book before hand and thought they did a good job with the movie even though it was only the first half of the book.

Zzippy · 19-02-2018 12:48pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

It is a classic you heathen!!

And so is Platoon.

I liked all the movies mentioned so far and I'd like to add We Were Soldiers to the list. I'd read the book before hand and thought they did a good job with the movie even though it was only the first half of the book.

Can we broaden it out to WW2?* Thought The Thin Red Line was a great movie, even better book...

*First person to mention Escape to Victory gets a 2 week ban

19-02-2018 12:56pm

.ak once had to eat tofu fried in animal fat. It was his own personal Vietnam, it's why he can relate to films like apocalypse now in ways the rest of us will never understand.

stephen_n · 19-02-2018 12:57pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Can we broaden it out to WW2?* Thought The Thin Red Line was a great movie, even better book...

*First person to mention Escape to Victory gets a 2 week ban

What about the great escape?

Full metal jacket is probably the best of the Vietnam movies, with Platoon a close second. Born on the 4th of July was pretty good to, even getting over the obstacle of having Cruise in the lead roll.

.ak · 19-02-2018 12:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

.ak once had to eat tofu fried in animal fat. It was his own personal Vietnam, it's why he can relate to films like apocalypse now in ways the rest of us will never understand.

I've seen things, man...

stephen_n · 19-02-2018 12:59pm

.ak wrote: »

I've seen things, man...

Jacobs ladder?

.ak · 19-02-2018 1:00pm

stephen_n wrote: »

What about the great escape?

Full metal jacket is probably the best of the Vietnam movies, with Platoon a close second. Born on the 4th of July was pretty good to, even getting over the obstacle of having Cruise in the lead roll.

FMJ is probably my favourite too. A brilliant snapshot into the FUBAR of the situation itself, to borrow a phrase.

The book is brilliant if you haven’t read it tho, check it out. The movie is cut short in comparison to the book. Also some scenes in the book are just mental you couldn’t really put them in the movie, like the bit when they meet the officer on the road...

.ak · 19-02-2018 1:03pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Jacobs ladder?

:eek:

sydthebeat · 19-02-2018 1:16pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Jacobs ladder?

great movie !! a personal fav

aloooof · 19-02-2018 1:24pm

I'm gonna shout the recent Dunkirk. Loved that.

swiwi_ · 19-02-2018 1:25pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Can we broaden it out to WW2?* Thought The Thin Red Line was a great movie, even better book...

*First person to mention Escape to Victory gets a 2 week ban

Ah jeepers the thin red line?! There is Apocalyse Now grade of boring and then there is The Thin Red Line. There are war films and then there is art house masquerading as a war film.

swiwi_ · 19-02-2018 1:29pm

Never watched full metal jacket. It’s by Kubrick and after a Clockwork Orange and especially Eyes Wide Shut...I’ve been steering well clear.

.ak · 19-02-2018 1:31pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Never watched full metal jacket. It’s by Kubrick and after a Clockwork Orange and especially Eyes Wide Shut...I’ve been steering well clear.

Couldn’t be more different from those movies bar maybe the toilet scene.

Give it a watch, it’s defo worth it.

molloyjh · 19-02-2018 1:39pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Never watched full metal jacket. It’s by Kubrick and after a Clockwork Orange and especially Eyes Wide Shut...I’ve been steering well clear.

Totally with you on The Thin Red Line. I didn't get what was so good about that film. Full Metal Jacket is worth a watch though. Not up there with the likes of Platoon, but still a good film. Almost exactly in between Platoon and Apocalypse Now I'd say.

And any time I read or hear anything about that film all I hear in my head is:

"M-I-C K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E, Mickey Mouse <mickey mouse> Mickey Mouse...."

Don't worry, it's not as weird as it seems.

Jack Kanoff · 19-02-2018 8:42pm

You're all wrong

Das Boot is the greatest war movie of all time
(Even better as a miniseries... ( Jurgen Prochnow was amazing and the atmospheric soundtrack all added to the claustrophobic feeling )

Stheno · 19-02-2018 8:43pm

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

You're all wrong

Das Boot is the greatest war movie of all time
(Even better as a miniseries... ( Jurgen Prochnow was amazi

I concur

thomond2006 · 19-02-2018 9:14pm

Darkest Hour was great.

Lily James.........

.ak · 19-02-2018 11:20pm

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

You're all wrong

Das Boot is the greatest war movie of all time
(Even better as a miniseries... ( Jurgen Prochnow was amazing and the atmospheric soundtrack all added to the claustrophobic feeling )

Oh god I love that movie. Defo one of my favourite.

Now if we’re talking war movies/series in general I’d have to have a good think.

Band of Brothers probably tops it for me.

swiwi_ · 19-02-2018 11:25pm

Jack Kanoff wrote: »

You're all wrong

Das Boot is the greatest war movie of all time
(Even better as a miniseries... ( Jurgen Prochnow was amazing and the atmospheric soundtrack all added to the claustrophobic feeling )

Yeah I’ll give you that. Plus the Russian film Come and See.

CatFromHue · 20-02-2018 1:05am

.ak wrote: »

+1

Brilliant book, got me into flying helicopters / getting my pilots licence.

Yeah it is.

I read it about every 2 years at this stage and it's always a great read.

swiwi_ · 20-02-2018 6:48pm

...without referring to what can't be referred to...too much information today...what is read can't be unread...

mfceiling · 21-02-2018 11:11am

Anyone have Vodafone for tv and broadband? Coming in at half the price of virgin over the year with unlimited broadband and most of the tele channels.
Pìssed off with virgin....not only is the horizon box useless but they rang herself yesterday to say the contract is coming to an end. She asked them for a discount and they offered a massive €5 a month off. She asked them how does this compare with your competitors. Their answer was "the €5 discount is there, take it or leave it"

They can fcuk right off now.

connemara man · 21-02-2018 11:14am

mfceiling wrote: »

Anyone have Vodafone for tv and broadband? Coming in at half the price of virgin over the year with unlimited broadband and most of the tele channels.
Pìssed off with virgin....not only is the horizon box useless but they rang herself yesterday to say the contract is coming to an end. She asked them for a discount and they offered a massive €5 a month off. She asked them how does this compare with your competitors. Their answer was "the €5 discount is there, take it or leave it"

They can fcuk right off now.

Vodafone don't do their own repairs. So if there's an issue with the phone line Eir will have to fix it. So it always takes longer. As they'll fix EUR customers first

Buer · 21-02-2018 11:15am

mfceiling wrote: »

Anyone have Vodafone for tv and broadband? Coming in at half the price of virgin over the year with unlimited broadband and most of the tele channels.
Pìssed off with virgin....not only is the horizon box useless but they rang herself yesterday to say the contract is coming to an end. She asked them for a discount and they offered a massive €5 a month off. She asked them how does this compare with your competitors. Their answer was "the €5 discount is there, take it or leave it"

I received the exact same phone call this morning and they were cheerfully told I'd be leaving them shortly. It's a €5 discount to enter into another 12 month contract with them and the discount is only applicable for the first 6 months.

No thanks.

thomond2006 · 21-02-2018 11:16am

I have Vodafone for broadband. I don't know how speeds compare but I'd have very few outages over 4 years.

awec · 21-02-2018 11:22am

Ditched virgin tv there this month, got sky tv in. 1000 times better and actually cheaper than I was paying virgin for tv.

mfceiling · 21-02-2018 11:28am

awec wrote: »

Ditched virgin tv there this month, got sky tv in. 1000 times better and actually cheaper than I was paying virgin for tv.

I checked bonkers.ie and Vodafone are just over 500 quid for the 1st year compared to the 1080 we're paying virgin at the minute.

Zzippy · 21-02-2018 12:04pm

Buer wrote: »

I received the exact same phone call this morning and they were cheerfully told I'd be leaving them shortly. It's a €5 discount to enter into another 12 month contract with them and the discount is only applicable for the first 6 months.

No thanks.

Can't get cable anymore, but in the last house where we could I called them to cancel and spent 45 mins on the phone to somewhere in Asia being offered increasing discounts to stay til I got half price for 9 months, think I saved €400 or so (had a tv/internet/phone bundle).

Buer · 21-02-2018 12:10pm

Zzippy wrote: »

Can't get cable anymore, but in the last house where we could I called them to cancel and spent 45 mins on the phone to somewhere in Asia being offered increasing discounts to stay til I got half price for 9 months, think I saved €400 or so (had a tv/internet/phone bundle).

I did similar before but they made such a clusterf*ck of the new package (pretty much the same service just a lower cost and new package name) that I had to avail of the cooling off period. And then they made a complete mess of the switch back to my original package too so I basically was overcharged and messed about for about 2-3 months for no change to my service.

We're moving back in to our house in about 9 weeks and the plan is to cut them out at that point and never deal with them again.

stephen_n · 21-02-2018 12:51pm

Anyone using Vodafone in the city center? With Virgin at the moment but they are a complete rip off. Had Vodafone when I was in Wicklow and it was great.

errlloyd · 21-02-2018 1:06pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Anyone using Vodafone in the city center? With Virgin at the moment but they are a complete rip off. Had Vodafone when I was in Wicklow and it was great.

I use vodafone and it is very expensive but the coverage is superb. I've a good few friends on vodafone because of how strong it is.

awec · 21-02-2018 1:14pm

errlloyd wrote: »

I use vodafone and it is very expensive but the coverage is superb. I've a good few friends on vodafone because of how strong it is.

I think he means their broadband rather than their mobile network.

Their broadband is just standard ADSL over the phone line. Won't be anywhere near as fast as Virgin, will have all the usual ADSL congestion problems, but it's a lot cheaper.

I think Vodafone are rolling out that Siro broadband as well which theoretically gives speeds of up to a Gigabit/s but I think they're rolling that out to rural towns first instead.

errlloyd · 21-02-2018 1:15pm

awec wrote: »

I think he means their broadband rather than their mobile network.

Their broadband is just standard ADSL over the phone line. Won't be anywhere near as fast as Virgin, will have all the usual ADSL congestion problems, but it's a lot cheaper.

****e, I didn't read all the previous posts.

I use Sky Fibre which is pretty fast.

Synode · 21-02-2018 1:20pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Anyone have Vodafone for tv and broadband? Coming in at half the price of virgin over the year with unlimited broadband and most of the tele channels.
Pìssed off with virgin....not only is the horizon box useless but they rang herself yesterday to say the contract is coming to an end. She asked them for a discount and they offered a massive €5 a month off. She asked them how does this compare with your competitors. Their answer was "the €5 discount is there, take it or leave it"

They can fcuk right off now.

We changed to Eir recently and have to say I'm very happy. They're half the price for the first 12 months and you get BT Sport free for all the rugby next year

dregin · 21-02-2018 1:25pm

awec wrote: »

I think he means their broadband rather than their mobile network.

Their broadband is just standard ADSL over the phone line. Won't be anywhere near as fast as Virgin, will have all the usual ADSL congestion problems, but it's a lot cheaper.

I think Vodafone are rolling out that Siro broadband as well which theoretically gives speeds of up to a Gigabit/s but I think they're rolling that out to rural towns first instead.

Was their Bord Gais collaboration on Siro not scrapped last year? I have to say, I've come to ****ing hate Virgin. Their support is utter ****e and the quality of BB service isn't much better. Their one saving grace is that their boxes still support pulse dialling, so my old rotary phone works a charm with it. Yep, grasping at straws.

Will be moving to Eir fibre as soon as it's available.

prawnsambo · 21-02-2018 2:11pm

awec wrote: »

I think he means their broadband rather than their mobile network.

Their broadband is just standard ADSL over the phone line. Won't be anywhere near as fast as Virgin, will have all the usual ADSL congestion problems, but it's a lot cheaper.

I think Vodafone are rolling out that Siro broadband as well which theoretically gives speeds of up to a Gigabit/s but I think they're rolling that out to rural towns first instead.

The convergence of mobile with fixed line broadband will be complete when 5G starts to roll out next year. So it could well be part of the conversation in a couple of years.

stephen_n · 21-02-2018 2:44pm

awec wrote: »

I think he means their broadband rather than their mobile network.

Their broadband is just standard ADSL over the phone line. Won't be anywhere near as fast as Virgin, will have all the usual ADSL congestion problems, but it's a lot cheaper.

I think Vodafone are rolling out that Siro broadband as well which theoretically gives speeds of up to a Gigabit/s but I think they're rolling that out to rural towns first instead.

Nothing is as fast as Virgin, then again I don’t really need a 120gb line, to watch Netflix and stream some TV. It’s kind of overkill. I was getting 50 down and 20 up with Vodafone in Kilcoole, which was more than adequate for my needs. Just wondering with a possibly higher contention, what it’s like in the city center. To be honest Virgin is a bit like owning a Ferrari and driving in rush hour on the M50, nice to know you have the power, but feck all chance of using it.

molloyjh · 21-02-2018 3:59pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Nothing is as fast as Virgin, then again I don’t really need a 120gb line, to watch Netflix and stream some TV. It’s kind of overkill. I was getting 50 down and 20 up with Vodafone in Kilcoole, which was more than adequate for my needs. Just wondering with a possibly higher contention, what it’s like in the city center. To be honest Virgin is a bit like owning a Ferrari and driving in rush hour on the M50, nice to know you have the power, but feck all chance of using it.

We're only getting mid to high 30s in Greystones and we haven't had any issues with that at all. I can't see the need for anything like 120.

stephen_n · 21-02-2018 5:00pm

molloyjh wrote: »

We're only getting mid to high 30s in Greystones and we haven't had any issues with that at all. I can't see the need for anything like 120.

If you had 2 or 3 devices streaming simultaneously, or maybe some serious gaming setup, it might make a difference. But I can’t see the average household ever using that sort of bandwidth.

Neil3030 · 21-02-2018 7:28pm

Hiked up the Jesuita Trail in the Santa Barbara mountains the other day. Very nice hike - varied terrain to keep it interesting, nothing too severe, gorgeous sea-views. I was recounting my hike to a colleague, however, and her first question was "Oh, did you see any tarantulas? There are tonnes of them up there".

Never going again. Ever. In fact, I have been locked in the bathroom of my downtown apartment ever since.

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