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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    OOnegative wrote: »
    http://www.fiba.basketball/pages/eng/fa/statistics/p/sID/1389/tid/2135/_/1996_European_Championship_for_Junior_Men_Qualifying_Round/player-leaders.html

    I played on the same school basketball team as Trevor Smullen, the man was an absolute genius on the basketball court. He is placed 9th on the above list of of the top Junior men in Europe in 1996. You’ll notice the name at 21, a lock to be an NBA Hall of Famer. You’ll also know he had a decent career on the GAA field representing Longford.

    When’s the Connemara HM?

    Best of luck with hamstring rehab

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    When’s the Connemara HM?

    Best of luck with hamstring rehab

    TbL

    Cheers C, lucky with injuries so far.

    September 27. For now.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,511 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Have you seen this? Some of the parents..!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    How's the injury coming along J?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    How's it going. J - catching up on a few logs, including yours.

    The Last Dance - definitely punches pulled there, I felt - smacked of too much control by MJ. His genius of course came through, but in a strange way. It seemed he wanted to feel he made all these other great players too, or something. And the teary moment at the end of episode 8 (I think?) just left me cold. I saw MJ play at least once in the Garden when I lived over there. Unforgettable. I was never a huge fan of the game (baseball was the only major American sport I warmed to), but I did enjoy the atmosphere at those Knicks games I was lucky enough to see.

    I'd love to see a MJ documentary made from a neutral viewpoint. The footage in TLD was incredible though, and well worth the price of admission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Murph_D wrote: »
    How's it going. J - catching up on a few logs, including yours.

    The Last Dance - definitely punches pulled there, I felt - smacked of too much control by MJ. His genius of course came through, but in a strange way. It seemed he wanted to feel he made all these other great players too, or something. And the teary moment at the end of episode 8 (I think?) just left me cold. I saw MJ play at least once in the Garden when I lived over there. Unforgettable. I was never a huge fan of the game (baseball was the only major American sport I warmed to), but I did enjoy the atmosphere at those Knicks games I was lucky enough to see.

    I'd love to see a MJ documentary made from a neutral viewpoint. The footage in TLD was incredible though, and well worth the price of admission.

    What would MJ be if he didn’t have Pippen, Grant, Kukjoc, Harper, Kerr, Longley, Rodman, Paxson? He no doubt would still have been the GOAT in basketball but no way he won 6 NBA titles without the others. If it’s slightly possible I lost a tad bit of respect for MJ over the TLD, as i stated previously Pippen is my all time favourite player, complete work horse either end of the court but MJ made him look like a mug!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    OOnegative wrote: »
    What would MJ be if he didn’t have Pippen, Grant, Kukjoc, Harper, Kerr, Longley, Rodman, Paxson? He no doubt would still have been the GOAT in basketball but no way he won 6 NBA titles without the others. If it’s slightly possible I lost a tad bit of respect for MJ over the TLD, as i stated previously Pippen is my all time favourite player, complete work horse either end of the court but MJ made him look like a mug!!!

    Agree with all that. See above. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    OOnegative wrote: »
    http://www.fiba.basketball/pages/eng/fa/statistics/p/sID/1389/tid/2135/_/1996_European_Championship_for_Junior_Men_Qualifying_Round/player-leaders.html

    I played on the same school basketball team as Trevor Smullen, the man was an absolute genius on the basketball court. He is placed 9th on the above list of of the top Junior men in Europe in 1996. You’ll notice the name at 21, a lock to be an NBA Hall of Famer. You’ll also know he had a decent career on the GAA field representing Longford.

    I remember Smullen playing for Longford, and I knew he played basketball, but I'd no idea he was that good. Better than Nowitzki - I'd have that framed at home if I was him :D
    Dirk is a cert for Hall of Fame. I remember visiting Berlin in 2005, and there was a billboard of him covering the entire side of an office block. Delighted to see him winning his championship (and Finals MVP) with the Mavs in 2011 - only the second German to play in the NBA Finals, Detlef Schrempf being the first (for Sonics v Bulls, 1996).
    Have you seen this? Some of the parents..!



    I had a look at the trailer. Unreal how kids at 7 are being so pushed so much. You see it here a lot too, unfortunately.
    skyblue46 wrote: »
    How's the injury coming along J?
    Murph_D wrote: »
    How's it going. J - catching up on a few logs, including yours.

    The Last Dance - definitely punches pulled there, I felt - smacked of too much control by MJ. His genius of course came through, but in a strange way. It seemed he wanted to feel he made all these other great players too, or something. And the teary moment at the end of episode 8 (I think?) just left me cold. I saw MJ play at least once in the Garden when I lived over there. Unforgettable. I was never a huge fan of the game (baseball was the only major American sport I warmed to), but I did enjoy the atmosphere at those Knicks games I was lucky enough to see.

    I'd love to see a MJ documentary made from a neutral viewpoint. The footage in TLD was incredible though, and well worth the price of admission.

    I got that from TLD as well. Yet a lot of those players won championships before and after their time in Chicago. Hardly the mugs they were sometimes portrayed?
    In contrast, I've never really got into baseball at all, in spite of having a faraway eye on the NFL (Channel 4, Sunday evenings) and the NBA (who remembers Screensport?) since the mid 1980s.
    OOnegative wrote: »
    What would MJ be if he didn’t have Pippen, Grant, Kukjoc, Harper, Kerr, Longley, Rodman, Paxson? He no doubt would still have been the GOAT in basketball but no way he won 6 NBA titles without the others. If it’s slightly possible I lost a tad bit of respect for MJ over the TLD, as i stated previously Pippen is my all time favourite player, complete work horse either end of the court but MJ made him look like a mug!!!

    Some lineup right there. Add Bill Cartwright (starter for the first threepeat) to that list. Harper and Grant would later reunite with Phil Jackson on championship winning Lakers teams. Kerr won two more championships as a player with the Spurs. Ironically, Pax's brother was one of the reasons Jordan wasn't drafted by Portland initially.

    Scottie got a bad press from this. Kerr has since came out and said that the players supported Pippen in his decision to delay foot surgery till after the start of 97/98.
    Plus there was too much focus on the "1.8 seconds" when you consider that in that full season without MJ, Scottie finished third in MVP voting, leading the Bulls in scoring, assists, and blocks, as well as being second in the NBA in steals per game. What a player he was.

    As for me, not much to report running wise. I haven't tried anything at all in ten days now. Next week or the week after, I'll start trying to build up again.
    The Connemarathon is still standing, although entries have been suspended since last week.

    I haven't been around here as much either - a few work related tests were hanging over me for most of the weekend, and it wasn't till Monday lunchtime that I got those out of the way. Raging I had to miss the mile TT. It was a bit of craic with all the slaggings, and reading about all the great times. Sure ye even got TbL out of retirement! Fair play for organising - hopefully I'll be fit and able for the next one. My mile PB is terrible ( 6:03, June 2017! ) That was set in an Irish Runner Paced Mile on Chesterfield Avenue - down towards the Phoenix roundabout, 180 turn just before it, and back up. I was reminded of it when I noticed that eyrie did something similar, except she went the opposite direction.
    Anyway. Fingers crossed I'll be able to report on more running stuff soon. Thanks for reading. J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I became more interested in basketball when my daughters started playing it. Even became a qualified table official!
    My mile PB is terrible ( 6:03, June 2017! ) That was set in an Irish Runner Paced Mile on Chesterfield Avenue - down towards the Phoenix roundabout, 180 turn just before it, and back up.

    Yeah, that was a terrible course. I did one of that series and they gave me 5:54 - timed it myself at 5:59 though! You definitely have the sub 6 in you. Good luck whenever you get a chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Murph_D wrote: »
    I became more interested in basketball when my daughters started playing it. Even became a qualified table official!

    - Sounds like plenty of admin, but a nice way of getting close to the action.

    Yeah, that was a terrible course. I did one of that series and they gave me 5:54 - timed it myself at 5:59 though! You definitely have the sub 6 in you. Good luck whenever you get a chance.

    Thanks D, it's definitely there if I ever get back to it. Trinity track races were scheduled for tomorrow, but probably just as well (for me) they have been cancelled. Still the closest I've ever been to winning one.

    Well after two weeks plus of inactivity, I tentatively shuffled up to Porterstown for cross country laps. Relatively straightforward, although bizarrely I ended up with blisters. Imagine I tried some actual speed work :pac:

    That was yesterday. This morning, I hadn't even got out of the estate when an old ITB injury (from pre DCM 2016!) started nagging me. F0ck this. Home with my tail between my legs - a walk down to the hotel and across to Porterstown didn't improve my mood much. Just when I thought I'd solved one problem, another appears. Maybe I'm better off taking a real extended period away from the roads, instead of playing whack a mole with niggles. Foam rolling was a necessary but painful deed after the walk.

    In other news, Connemarathon has been postponed again. I can't say I'm surprised, but it's still a little bit disappointing. One step forward, two steps back indeed. It means I have no more races this year as it stands. Cross country may yet come to my rescue. Again.

    I'm aware that we've still a fair bit to go as regards lifting of restrictions, with physical distancing of course being the biggest, but no harm having a bit of hope is there? :D Otherwise, we're grand, still WFH and no sickness.

    Go dtí an chéad uair eile. Fan dearfach. J.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Sorry to hear of another set back for you J, very frustrating. Maybe now is the time to rest properly & hopefully sort the niggles. It's never an easy or welcomed decision to rest but sometimes it is for the best...

    I'm sure you will make the best decision for yourself!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭coogy


    Oh dear, sorry to read this J. Hope that whatever it takes to get over this set-back will have you back on your feet in no time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Ok, so after the best part of two weeks where my belly has been expanding rapidly, I'm back. I was tempted to post an update with just the words "I'm Back", but maybe a touch dramatic :pac: having visited Murph_D's Chicago marathon training update. For those that don't know, the marathon passes the United Center.

    After using more Wurdled Cup reminiscing as an excuse to stay up late drinking beer, I was in far from perfect shape for a drive to Corkagh Park in Clondalkin. It's been the regular venue for the IKA Run For A Life for a number of years now. The IKA 10k was my first ever attempt at the distance, back in 2012, when the races were based in Parkwest. They now take place at a much more aesthetically pleasing location :)

    Anyway, few stretches and off I shuffled. For extra authenticity, I followed the course route. Participants can run, jog or walk one, two or four x 2.5k laps. Even starting back after injury, I reckoned one lap would be cheating a bit. Very windy at the start of the lap, but I wasn't under a great deal of strain, even on the short hill about two thirds of the way through. Second lap much the same. Ideally I would have run the full 10k, but I didn't consider it worth the potential hassle at this stage of my "training". From the bottom of the hill to the finish, I was following a lad about the same pace as I was going. Speed up and pass him? Not today.
    5k in 25:41. That'll do. No major aches or pains.

    You may have noticed from my Strava photos that the hair is a bit wild looking, although the cap hides a lot :pac: Thankfully, in another step back towards normality, I've made an appointment to get my hair cut, just 119 days after the last time that happened. The barber I'm visiting is a fellow marathoner, and a good Red. Surely to jaysis Liverpool will have won the league by the time we catch up :pac: one less thing to worry about, says he. Thanks for reading. J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Mon 22/6 - Rest

    Tue 23/6 - 4.84 miles @8:36/mi

    Easy loop around by Laurel Lodge and Roselawn. It actually felt quite novel, having not run this route or its variants in the best part of two months.

    Wed 24/6 - 4.52 miles @9:07/mi

    I decided to add on about another half a lap to the usual two Doyle Cup XC laps in Porterstown. Brief catchup with a couple of Porterstown Panthers before shuffling home.

    Thu 25/6 - At last! After 30 years, the Reds are champions again :D

    Many's a time I doubted whether they would ever return to the glory days that I used to take for granted, growing up as a Red in 1980s Finglas. Rushie, King Kenny and Ronnie Whelan were my Liverpool heroes back then. coogy writes very well about all of this on his log - as we're the same age, quite a bit of it takes me right back. Ideally, I'd have liked to see them clinch it with fans present etc, but we can't have everything, especially these days ! No outdoor post match shenanigans for me, although one of the neighbours let off some fireworks within about 3 seconds of the final whistle in the Chelsea v Man City game. Plenty of celebratory beers later, I was off to bed a very happy man. Glorious. Allez Allez Allez. YNWA.

    Fri 26/6 - Rest

    Still had to get up for WFH at a reasonable hour, before more drinks in the evening :pac:

    Sat 27/6 - 5.58 miles @8:33/mi

    With Chesterfield Avenue still unavailable for parking purposes, I decided to run an alternative version of what's known in MSB circles as "Eugene's Lap". This time, I started and finished at the Hole In The Wall. This meant that the Khyber climb came in the third mile rather than the fourth. I hadn't been there since the start of restrictions, so between that and all the drink and junk food, it was a bit of a struggle, but I got there. Trail from Castleknock Gate around to finish. Overall, no major bother, delighted to be back running in PP. In the car park on the way out, by chance I bumped into a work running colleague, who told me that another regular BHAA teammate of ours (50s) had passed away recently. I hadn't even heard he was ill. Bit of a shock that.

    Sun 28/6

    Bit of a woolly head on me again this morning, as I drove across to St Catherine's Park. Just as I arrived at the car park, it started absolutely lashing. Of course, I didn't have a towel or jacket with me :rolleyes: Sod that for a game of soldiers. Maybe later.

    Great to see some racing again, although it wasn't quite the glorious run that our Lazare thought he had, due to the course being short (turnaround point in the wrong place, apparently). Next time pal.
    However, it'll be another while yet before I'm back in the mix. I'm bleaten sick to death of the neverending stream of guff about social physical distancing restrictions, "noo normal", "reimagining" etc etc etc, (to the extent that I pretty much ignore the fearmongering MSM), but even so, as most of you know it's not just me here, therefore my antisocial running days might still have a good bit to go. Play the hand you're dealt and all that.

    Oh did I mention Liverpool are CHAMPIONS ??!! Thanks for reading. J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Enjoyed that update. If I hear "new normal" again I'll, well, I'll, I'll... (be irritated)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Enjoyed that update. If I hear "new normal" again I'll, well, I'll, I'll... (be irritated)

    the 'not so new' new normal phrase agree it is very irritating though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    the 'not so new' new normal phrase agree it is very irritating though!

    Noooooooooooooooo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Up the pool :D YNWA


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Mon 29/6 - 4.65 miles @8:29/mi

    I got too comfy on the couch to bother going for a run on Sunday evening. This was a reenactment of my first ever D15 run, rather than returning to Catherine's. Dry this morning, even though it was still quite windy out.

    Tue 30/6 - 3.92 miles @8:34/mi

    I had intended to run Doyle Cup XC laps in reverse, on arriving at Porterstown. However, there was a sign up warning that rat poison had been laid down along the hedges, so I switched back to the parkrun course. One or two minor diversions subsequently, due to human and dog traffic. Pretty straightforward really.

    May / June Review

    Not too much to add to what for me was an injury hit two months. Just two sessions, the second of which (a Porterstown pyramid) sidelined me on and off for most of it. Thankfully, as I type, the last few runs have gone well, in the sense that I haven't been struggling before, during or after. It's not quite gone so well that I'm any way seriously contemplating a return to GAA (sorry Denis B :pac:) even though I believe there's several lads older than me still playing for the Junior Bs. That and the fact that I've only been away for five years :eek:

    May Mileage: 43 (YTD 485)
    May Days Active: 10/31 (YTD 93/152)

    June Mileage: 34 (519)
    June Days Active: 9/30 (102/182)

    The Future Is What It Used To Be

    We've gone a long time without any allusions on this log, if I say so myself :pac:
    I think I'm a bit more positive than most in relation to the pandemic. It's great to see so much of our economy reopening, and sporting activity gradually getting under way again, in addition to more and more people being active in general. Sure there's even been some racing recently ( Pop Up Races deserve to be specifically namechecked here IMO ) as sporting bodies examine ways to organise their events in as safe and responsible a manner as possible. Unfortunately, especially for those who love their post race feed, any delicacies are off the table (literally) under current guidelines.

    I'd love to go to even one of these events soon, in spite of the strictly no frills structures in place as things stand. On the other hand, I'm very fortunate to be in my current position, and running solo is the best way I can maintain that while keeping active, for the time being at least. In the meantime, I note that I haven't been delisted from this Saturday's TT yet, so I might have a stab at it if things continue to go well this week. It'll make reading the thread and the reports more interesting, if nothing else :D
    In addition, the Cru have set up a virtual Docklands 5k from July 3-9. I know a few of the gang over there, and St James's Hospital are another beneficiary, so that's another one I might try. Beating my PB (19:43), set in the 2017 Docklands 5k, would be truly miraculous, so I'll be setting a far more realistic target for that one.

    With all this in mind, I'm not really sure of the merits of updating this log weekly, unless I discover some new routes, or get back regularly to some of the more fun ones. I don't have anything to train for in the near future (Connemara HM now April 2021), although I am confident of a return to normality this year, in spite of all the negativity out there. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Wed 1/7 - 6.41 miles @8:39/mi

    Over to Phoenix Park for an early start from Castleknock Gate. A lot more traffic than I expected exiting the park at 7:15 AM. I enjoyed this one once I got going - trail to Knockmaroon Gate, then following the outer loop to Cabra Gate, and then from there it was trail running again, past the Hole In The Wall and Ashtown Gate, all the way back to the start. I also managed to complete my run and get back to the car shortly before the heavy rain arrived, so good work all round. I just discovered that, incredibly, this was my longest run since March 24 (6.79 miles in Glasnevin and Finglas).

    Sat 4/7 - Boards 10 Min TT, Phoenix Park

    I had a couple of rest days, having run three days in a row prior, with this event in mind. Having had my first haircut in four months yesterday, I hoped I could get some of the old speed back too. Two weeks ago I wouldn't have dreamed of trying this, but I decided I might as well. Easy enough warmup and strides, with some stretching in there too. I chose a variation on the Tom Brennan triangle for my route, hoping that the breeze on the Furze would bring me home. Target: 2,501 metres.

    Chesterfield Avenue

    Off I went from the junction of Chesterfield and Furze, towards the Mountjoy (Castleknock) roundabout. Unusually, I did a fair bit of clock watching, and even though I could see a lot of 5:xx there, I was finding it too hard to slow down, hard to believe as that may be. I wanted to have a few seconds in hand for the next section, and I think I at least managed that part, covering 0.4 miles in 2:42.

    Ordnance Survey Road


    Even here, I was feeling the heat from an over ambitious opening. Running into the breeze was an added hindrance. Before I'd even passed OSI, I was out of gas, and already the next turn seemed a long way away. Train to your current level of fitness, also set realistic targets :rolleyes: 3:45 for this section, so 6:27 with a little under a mile completed, and hence, already slipped behind target pace.

    Furze Road

    Used as the finishing straight for the majority of Phoenix Park races, I've found over the years that it can work for you both ways. On a good day, with the breeze behind you and finishing strong, you're passing people for fun with the gantry rapidly approaching, and I tell ye it's brilliant when it works that way.

    This was one of the other days.

    Even with a slight breeze behind me, I was dead on my feet. With nobody to chase, and no gantry away in the distance, I was thinking "Why am I even bothering with this?" It just felt like torture, and instead of speeding up as I would normally do in the closing stages of a race, I was slowing rapidly - as low as 7:19/mi at one stage according to Strava. Through the first bollards. 400m from there to the second bollards. I barely cleared them, finally stopping at the benches a little bit further on.

    2,349 metres - a shocking 152 metres off target. In fact, I was so slow on the Furze, that I actually ran that segment quicker in a 10k last year, when I wasn't even racing. That was as part of the ARC Cancer Support 10k, when I had Skyblue pacing me through a HMP tempo effort. Appalling. Maybe it's due to that stubborn part of me, that I didn't revise my target downwards. I would have needed to average 6:25/mi to hit my target. 6:51/mi was today's overall average. Desperate.

    Next

    I signed up for the Docklands Virtual 5k. 20:30 is probably overly ambitious too, especially as it would be a parkrun PB of sorts - I'm planning to run it in Porterstown. Nothing else too taxing in the meantime. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done on the TT, I know it's not what you wanted but you finished it out! It's hard going when we are not where we think we should be or where we want to be.

    Take the positives from this week, you completed your longest run since March :D

    Keep doing what you're doing!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Thanks E, a great run by you around that same triangle afterwards :D

    It might also have been worth mentioning that that was my first attempt at any kind of speed work in two months, which probably resulted in me running out of gas much earlier than expected. 8:01 for 2k in April, when I was running regularly, shows how far I've slipped.

    Anyway. Quick update:-

    Sun 5/7 - 3.65 miles @9:04/mi

    Early start again, in Porterstown this time. Stopped to chat to a clubmate 3 miles into my stint. I wasn't feeling overly energetic, so I decided to cut my run short - the planned route would have taken me over 6 miles.

    Mon 6/7 - Rest

    I still intend to run the Docklands 5k in Porterstown on Wednesday before work. However, this is subject to amendment :) Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Tue 7/7 - 2.91 miles @9:07/mi

    An early start for one of my regular go-to prerace workouts. Cold and wet in Tír na nÓg, for five laps with 5 x 100m strides included.

    Wed 8/7 - Rest

    Thu 9/7 - Docklands Virtual 5k, Porterstown Park

    Very tired this morning, so in order to give my body more time to wake up, I watched MOTD before throwing on the runners and shuffling up to Porterstown. One warmup lap later, I was ready. Kind of.

    Lap 1

    Trying not to go too fast at the start, thinking back to my 3:48 first k back in April. I was a lot fitter then. Turn down the power. 4:11. Still a bit quick today. The drag back to the car park slows me down anyway. 7:02 for the first mile.

    Lap 2

    Lots of walkers and dogs out. Well I suppose that's the flip side of delaying my run by over an hour. Still easing down the power. 7:23 for the second mile.

    Lap 3

    I don't know why I'm checking the time, as this isn't an attempt at anything really. Change direction a few times to avoid walkers and dogs. Just make sure I finish this. The drags back up from the bottom of the park take a lot more out of me than they normally would. Just a bit to go. Try pick it up for the last bit, around the car park extension, down the side of the soccer pitch and downhill to the finish. Done.

    22:53 for 5k, over 3 minutes slower than my PB, which was set in the live Docklands race three years ago. This morning I didn't care. This was the last day to submit a time (or so I thought, seemingly they extended it to Friday) so I thought it would be better to at least submit a time rather than DNS. St James's Hospital and the Cru are both worthy beneficiaries IMO.

    Reason I nearly didn't do this. Feeling very tense on Tuesday night, I decided to get out the blood pressure monitor. To my horror, the readings indicated stage 2 hypertension. I couldn't sleep for hours, thinking I was going to die. It meant Wednesday was a no go, but I felt sufficiently able to complete 5k yesterday.

    So where to go from here? Changes in diet, definitely. Haven't gone near sweets, chocolate or fizzy drinks since. Dull headaches due to sugar cravings, but those too shall pass. Decaf tea. Bland and tasteless, I know, but a necessary evil at this time. Ham sangwidges. Gone. No pizzas since. No alcohol since. I've been drinking more overall the last few months, which hasn't helped. It wouldn't be disastrous to reduce the intake a bit, let's put it that way. Few quick wins along those lines should get me back to normal. It probably explains why I haven't felt so energetic in my running of late. For now, I'm going to take some time away from it. That said, the walks are good for me, although I won't be recording them on Strava. Early signs since are positive. Hopefully I'll be back sooner rather than later. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Best of luck getting it sorted J and seeing you back clocking those early miles again soon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Your health is your wealth J... Take the time out & look after yourself! Hopefully see you back soon :)

    Take care!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Mind yourself, all the best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Mind yourself! Take your time and hope to see you back soon. Thanks for following and sharing too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,511 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Not many would lace up with those circumstances. No harm for running to be in the rear view mirror for now. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Definitely mind yourself J, running is not worth making the hypertension worse. Less salt & lots of greens will speed the process too!!

    Wishing you a speedy recovery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Thanks to all who replied, most kind of you! :D

    A week has passed since that dramatic episode. This morning, I took another reading, and to my immense relief, my blood pressure was back to "normal" levels.

    However, I know I can't afford to get complacent. Hence, continuing reductions in my salt, sugar and alcohol intake should help to keep me on an even keel, and avoid having to go on medication. I mean, I'm still youngish (47), so that hit me like a ton of bricks. Everything from over consumption of sweets and fizzy drinks, to pizzas, to drinking more than pre lockdown, contributed to some extent over time. Like I say, all those are things I have to be mindful of from now on. Fingers crossed I'll be back on the roads sooner than I imagined this time last week. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭coogy


    Thanks to all who replied, most kind of you! :D

    A week has passed since that dramatic episode. This morning, I took another reading, and to my immense relief, my blood pressure was back to "normal" levels.

    However, I know I can't afford to get complacent. Hence, continuing reductions in my salt, sugar and alcohol intake should help to keep me on an even keel, and avoid having to go on medication. I mean, I'm still youngish (47), so that hit me like a ton of bricks. Everything from over consumption of sweets and fizzy drinks, to pizzas, to drinking more than pre lockdown, contributed to some extent over time. Like I say, all those are things I have to be mindful of from now on. Fingers crossed I'll be back on the roads sooner than I imagined this time last week. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


    Good to hear this J, but I think you're right to remain cautious. I don't think it can be stressed enough how challenging the last few months have been for us all and how it's affected us all in different ways but at least you have identified where you need to rein it in, sounds like good progress is being made!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    coogy wrote: »
    Good to hear this J, but I think you're right to remain cautious. I don't think it can be stressed enough how challenging the last few months have been for us all and how it's affected us all in different ways but at least you have identified where you need to rein it in, sounds like good progress is being made!

    I couldn't agree more with this. I got caught out recently too. Thought i was having a heart attack actually but it turned out to be anxiety related. I was feeling sympathetic towards many in my circle who i felt were far more severely effected than i was & totally ignoring my own mental health until it caught up with me, as it does :o

    Good to hear you're starting to feel better J and see results for your lifestyle changes already, it's always nice to turn that corner and feel things are on the up again, mind yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Time to clear away the cobwebs, after nearly three weeks without any update here.

    Sun 26/7 - 3.80 miles @8:20/mi

    After 17 days away, I decided it was time to see could I work my way back into a bit of fitness. Parking over by the Hole In The Wall, the plan was to run a variation of "Eugene's Lap". Well after climbing the Khyber into the wind, and with the temperature rising, I decided to scrap the plan to head for Castleknock roundabout, and cut straight across from the Phoenix monument instead. No pain, just a little bit of sensible behaviour first day back.

    Mon 27/7 - Rest

    Tue 28/7 - 3.99 miles @9:00/mi

    "Easy Porto run in the morning sun" as I summarised it on Strava - two laps of the Doyle Cup course.

    Wed 29/7 - 4.85 miles @8:27/mi

    Comfortable enough run through Laurel Lodge and Roselawn, back via Coolmine and Clonsilla.

    Thu 30/7
    - "2.79 miles @9:30/mi"

    Strava had me down for shorter than I ran here. Five laps of Tír na nÓg, with five sets of strides included - a typical pre race shakeout for me. It's actually closer to three miles in total, so the pace would be nearer 9 min miles. Anyhow, pain free on a wet morning in an almost deserted park.

    Good news this morning! I got an appointment to see the doc about my HBP issues. Well, much to my surprise, it's fine! He reckoned our BP monitor needed to be recalibrated, and/or had old batteries which needed to be replaced. Also, for those of you trying it at home - take three readings, and ignore the first one ;) As you can imagine, I had a spring in my step all the way back home :D

    Sun 2/8 - Virtual Bettystown 5 Mile, Phoenix Park

    I'd originally planned this for Friday, but as luck would have it, the organisers extended the deadline for entries by a week, so I decided to throw in a rest day or two.

    Parked the car by the Papal Cross, and eased into a warmup during which I was passed by RayCun twice. The man was running an LSR at a considerably quicker pace than my warmup. Nice to spot a few clubmates this morning too. It's definitely something I've missed the past few months - interval training and mid to long runs just aren't the same on your own. Anyway, I had decided to run something close to the old Irish Runner 5 Mile course - looking back, the real start was a good bit further up Chesterfield :rolleyes:

    Mile 1

    Up Chesterfield Avenue, towards Castleknock (Mountjoy) roundabout. I'm feeling comfortable here, and doing my best to slow down with the pace reading in the low 6s. Swing right towards Ashtown Gate, slight drag but with the breeze behind me now. From the gate downhill, reaching 1 mile roughly opposite the school and the back path into Ashtown Castle. 6:53.

    Mile 2

    Take the near side of the grass triangle by the Hole In The Wall, heading towards the Phoenix Roundabout. I can feel the wind starting to hit me along the slight drag after you clear the triangle. Already I'm thinking the second half is going to be even harder than I imagined it would be today. Through the roundabout onto Acres Road, heading for the Khyber and a bit of respite. 7:04.

    Mile 3

    Down the Khyber to start this one off. Quads are burning, and also I'm mindful of what's to come, so I don't go completely hell for leather down the hill. About three quarters of the way down the hill, there's a chap on a bike waving his left arm constantly, as if signalling for me to get out of the way. I wasn't near him though :confused: On closer inspection as I reached him, it turned out he was on a unicycle - no small task going up that hill ! The bottom of the Khyber is roughly half way. Swing right, and then the real fun begins. Military Hill is fairly short, but steeper than a lot of the other hills in PP, and mixed with a tiring body into the wind, it was a cocktail that I struggled to stomach. 7:27.

    Mile 4

    Even going through the S bends, I wasn't gaining a great deal of momentum. I was feeling too stuffed to raise much of a gallop, even on the straight downhill towards the back of St Mary's Hospital, where Jingle Bells finishes. Before I'd even started up the Upper Glen Road, I was trying to calculate just how much longer I'd be running for. Ten minutes? Eleven minutes??!! UGR isn't anywhere near as steep as Military Hill, but it's a lot longer, and has tended to have a lot more impact on me during races. 7:29.

    Mile 5


    By now, I'm just trying to make sure I finish. I'm absolutely b******d, and now trying to work out how much of the Furze I'll get to run before I hit the 5 mile mark. I'd like to think I'd have had a bit more fight in me in a real race, trying to make up places (or in this case, stop myself from haemorrhaging positions at a rate of knots!) but today it just wasn't there. Finally, onto the Furze with the wind behind me. I didn't even get a good finish in, instead watching the distance covered as it ever so slowly ticked onto 4.9, and eventually, at long last, 5.0 miles. 8:12, to give me an overall time of 37:08.

    My longest "virtual" race effort over the last few months, and I tell you it felt like it. Not an easy course at the best of times, but even so, I could have done with running the opening miles at a slower pace, to give myself a chance in the second half. A little over six months ago, when I was fit, I ran the opening mile of the Raheny 5 in about 6:45-6:50. Today, 6:53. Whereas then my pace improved as the race went on, here I went backwards rapidly. Even allowing for not having anyone to run with, it's a cautionary tale in relation to training and "racing" to your current level of fitness. Just in case I was in any doubt about how far off real race pace I am. But anyway, I'm back healthy and running regularly again, so fingers crossed I'll be properly race fit before too long. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,511 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Good to hear the medical worry is less now. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Great news on the HBP front and delightful to see you back running, logging and even (virtual) racing :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Good to hear the medical worry is less now. :)
    ariana` wrote: »
    Great news on the HBP front and delightful to see you back running, logging and even (virtual) racing :)

    Many thanks to both of you :) no health drama this week.


    Mon 3/8 - "2.99 miles @8:59/mi"

    As per Strava. However, this was a 5k trail around the perimeter of the Heritage golf course. I walked it with my wife, before heading back out and running around it. Plenty of twists and turns, with some nice views. Little did we know at the time, that we were lucky to have booked the hotel last weekend and not this one.

    Tue 4/8 - Rest

    Wed 5/8 - 4.78 miles @8:39/mi

    A Carpenterstown loop, before heading to the grass track in Porterstown to ease my way through a couple more miles.

    Thu 6/8 - 6.42 miles @8:35/mi

    A reminder of why I rarely run around the D15 roads in the evenings any more. I had to stop and start a number of times due to traffic, both of the vehicular and human variety. Also, very warm and humid starting at 5:30 PM.

    Fri 7/8 - 3.56 miles @8:49/mi

    My wife found a new local park while cycling last week. This overcast, drizzly morning I decided to check it out. At the end of a newish housing estate, this little park sits across from the last row of houses, alongside the motorway. From now on here, it'll be known as M50 Park. I ran six laps of it (over 500m for each). There's already a Strava segment (0.22 mi) for the motorway side. I laughed when I realised it turned out to be an unintended progression run of sorts - 2:02/1:55/1:53/1:51/1:50/1:46.
    The last one was apparently the 7th fastest ever. Sure AMK probably beat that time running with the dog :pac: I'll be back to it - the surface is decent, and it wasn't at all busy - two other runners and two dog walkers during my stint.

    Sat 8/8 - 7.57 miles @8:32/mi

    Yesterday, I heard that one of the men who got me into refereeing many years ago passed away during the week - a former player, coach, referee and committee member of my GAA club. I refereed football, hurling and camogie for 17 years altogether, only retiring permanently this year. I still have a top which he gave to me fadó (great in the rain in particular) and this morning I wore it to remember him. Some of you may have seen the photo on Strava. Thanks Barney.

    As for the run itself, I planned to run 8 miles on 8/8. Didn't quite make it an 8:08 start. Nor did I cover 8 miles in the end. I returned to an old favourite route of mine, through Carpenterstown and Laurel Lodge to the canal, from the 12th Lock to Ashtown and back. With the temperature climbing and my tiredness increasing, I decided that I'd done enough. It was still my longest run in over 5 months (since the Carlingford HM) and all my mile splits were 8:xx.

    Sun 9/8 - Rest

    Sympathy goes out to all reading here from Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Rough treatment after already having had to put up with so much. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Sorry for your loss - nice tribute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Mon 10/8 - Rest

    Tue 11/8 - 5.03 miles @8:09/mi

    This felt really strange to say the least. I've run what many MSBers know as "Eugene's Lap" dozens of times, but virtually all of those have been in company on a Sunday morning. Hence, on a Tuesday morning before work, it took a while to get into a rhythm - 8:26 for the first mile from Castleknock Gate down Chesterfield. However, after that I got somewhere closer to the usual Sunday group pace, with 8:02/8:01/8:12 (Khyber)/8:04 to finish off. Pleased with that outcome.

    Wed 12/8 - Intervals, Porterstown Park

    This was my first interval session in over three months. The last time (May 9) I banjoed my hammy during a pyramid session on the grass track. Of course I didn't cop that one till a couple of days after. What could be tough enough to get the blood going, but not overreaching this early in my comeback ?
    I settled on (3 x 400) + (4 x 300) + (6 x 200) with 200m jog recoveries. That said, during my two mile warmup + strides, I was toying with the idea of shortening the recoveries to half the rep distance, i.e. 150m rec for 300s, 100m rec for 200s. Hmmmm.
    First 400 I was averaging around 5:35/mi pace before dying off a bit near the end. Second and third 4s weren't as good. First 300 was decent, but the rest were tailing off somewhat, after starting at paces which I couldn't sustain. Wise decision to keep the recoveries at 200! Huffin and puffin around most of the 200s, but I saved the best for last. It took me a minute or two to get my breath back for the shuffle home to a shower and breakfast before WFH.

    Thu 13/8 - 4.63 miles @8:35/mi

    This morning I decided to sample a "new" park for the first time. I actually played GAA in what's now Millennium Park (from Blanchardstown SC towards Clonsilla) many years ago, but never set foot in it since AFAIR. With several gates closed early in the morning, I was halfway down the side of it before I found an open gate. Over a mile around the outer paths, plus I took a wrong turn in the forest on the far side. Nice to try something new, although as I approached the homestead on the way back, a fly went SMACK right in the middle of my eye. And people wonder why I often wear shades even in overcast conditions. This kind of thing happens to me when I don't :pac:

    Fri 14/8 - Rest

    Sat 15/8 - Intervals, Phoenix Park

    Another attempt at emulating an MSB run. I threw the car down by White's Gate before shuffling down towards the Polos. While shuffling down Chesterfield, I was passed by Laineyfrecks in mid 5k TT. Not 100% sure of this at that moment, mind. I'll know for definite next time :)
    Anyway, down to the Polos for Plan A, as it wasn't too busy - just a couple of other lads doing similar in the opposite direction, and a lad who may or may not have been Hiko Tonosa running at very easy (for him!) pace. Few strides to get the blood pumping, before getting my breath for the session itself.
    Much easier to do this one with company - there were always clubmates around my standard to help with pacing. This was different.
    Plan was to run the three sides three times, around 3:00 of possible. Of course, I gave it too much welly on the stand side to start, and although it gave me a few seconds in hand for the looooong (as it always seems to me!) bottom bend, that wasn't really the aim this time. Hence, I came out of it with a 2:53. Sh!t. That's closer to what I would have run with the gang last year, but I'm nowhere near that level of fitness as it stands.
    Ok, so how to put it right? Bit steadier coming down the stand side, not so flat to the boards and hanging on for dear life around the bottom bend. Far side I know I'm in better shape, and I maintain this pace for a second rep of 3:02. More like it. Now I feel like I've got my game back, and a 3:01 for the last of these reps proves it. To close it out, I finish with a full lap of 980 metres. I think I ran this in 3:55 or so last time I tried - I'd have to dig back through the archives to confirm. (EDIT - 2:57/2:59/2:55, 3:43 for the lap, 6/7/19). Push hard downhill beside the stand. Dig in around the bottom bend. Pain is increasing up along the far side. There's two lads running around the top bend towards me. They seem to be miles away. Why did I pick this? Through the third side - well into the last minute now. Kick around the bend, down to the finish line. 3:48. Nice one. I'll take it. I felt a lot more energised than I expected on the cooldown as a result.

    Sun 16/8 - 8.43 miles @8:52/mi

    I wasn't really sure what the plan was for this morning, apart from running a bit more than last Saturday. Hence, back to PP for one I certainly didn't make earlier, and in fact, I changed it several times in running.
    I parked by the Papal Cross, with the aim of keeping fairly close in case I needed to come back early or just decided to pull the plug. What was originally intended to be three times around the 15 Acres triangle, turned out to be twice - I wanted to try something a bit more interesting, and having the breeze in my face coming back towards the cross was annoying me.
    Instead, I tried a few different takes on the Munich and BHAA Garda XC laps. I hadn't been there at all since the BHAA race, way back on February 1, and my legs weren't slow to remind me of that, particularly on the tricky climb from the bottom of the Khyber up to the trees. Nonetheless, I was delighted with my decision to reacquaint myself with the territory. It may yet bring about some benefit for when the cross country eventually comes back. Who knows.

    Either way, a good tester for the legs, as well as my longest run since the Carlingford HM. In addition, 31 miles might not sound like high weekly mileage to most of you, but it's my highest since April, so *another* reason for me to be cheerful, following on from Man City's loss against Lyon - ROFL! Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    In addition, 31 miles might not sound like high weekly mileage to most of you, but it's my highest since April, so *another* reason for me to be cheerful, following on from Man City's loss against Lyon - ROFL!

    That's maybe a mile short of my weekly record. Massive mileage that is :P

    Great that you're back at it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Good to see you back J; no doubt spot you some Sunday morning on the North Road!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    I do be in a world of my own J when I am running & especially mid TT! If it was the 2nd lap I was probably convincing myself to keep going as that's when I wanted to quit haha.

    Great to see you back :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Wed 19/8 - Pyramid session, Porterstown Park

    Life kind of got in the way on Tuesday, which meant I'd an unintended extra rest day before tackling this session. Same session that scuppered most of my running summer - 200/400/600/800/600/400/200, with 200m jog recoveries.

    After a two mile warmup and strides, it was time to hopefully avoid another session fubar. Broadly speaking, I started strong, but wasn't able to maintain my starting pace for any of the reps - the pace chart is particularly jagged looking for the 8 and the 6s. That said, I had a nice bit of speed for the closing 200, so overall glad to get it done - hopefully I'll have a better outcome next time. I saw scotindublin's inverted pyramid session the other evening. For those that haven't, it started with the longest rep (1500) and worked down to the shortest (300), then back up to the longest. For me, it may yet be good for novelty value if nothing else.

    Thu 20/8 - 6.54 miles @8:48/mi

    Not much to add to this one. Run of the mill plod up through Clonsilla to Ongar, then back down the long straight towards Power City, before turning for home. Mile splits were fairly consistent - this time my fastest pace was when crossing at roundabouts on the way back :D

    Fri 21/8 - 2.90 miles @9:08/mi

    Round to Tír na nÓg for this one - a windy standard issue "pre race" shakeout with 5 x strides.

    Sat 22/8 - Athletics Ireland Virtual Mile, Porterstown Park

    I wasn't going to attempt this at all, but given the club might have had a chance of winning something if I did, I decided to give it a bash.
    Back to Porterstown, with the aim of getting it done and dusted early, out of sight of any other MSBers. Warmup and strides were ok, breezy but at least the track didn't feel too damp. Expectations? Sub 6 would be a dream come true this morning, but possibly SK's 6:27 (on a p!$$in wet Wednesday night) was more likely to be closer to where I was now. Or was it?

    Lap 1

    Slowish start, but I picked up the pace as I came to the end of the opening straight, and shot around the uphill back bend in 19 seconds. Fair bit of 4:xx pace in there too. Of course that wasn't going to last, and I was fighting into the wind and up the slope on the back straight, with my pace dropping back drastically. After a promising opening, the wheels were already wavering. 1:39 for the first 409m.

    Lap 2

    Bit more consistency pace wise here. Trouble was, it was mainly in the high 6s, dropping into the 7s briefly. Although I finished the lap well down the hill, my goose was well and truly cooked. 1:46 (3:25).

    Lap 3

    To be honest, I just wanted this to be over. I had no fight in me at all. Even slower for most of this lap, pace dropping close to 7:40 near the end of the back straight uphill into the wind. 1:47 (5:12).

    Lap 4

    Nearly there. I'm really in the horrors. 7:54 pace briefly on the back straight. Just keeping the legs turning to get it finished now. Even my last little burst of speed is a couple of seconds with a top pace of 6:26/mi, downhill with a following wind. I cross the line in 6:59, but it takes me a few seconds to stop the clock, hence the 7:02 on Strava. 1:47 for the last lap.

    That went more or less as badly as it could have gone. Pretty soul destroying actually. Just as well I wasn't running it with the lads. One would have lapped me, and two others would have been within ten seconds of doing so. Bear in mind that none of Seán Hehir, John Coghlan or Shane Healy ran it. When you consider that in January I ran a 5 mile race with an average of 6:35/mi (Raheny), the "glory days" seem like a distant memory.

    Sun 23/8 - 10.32 miles @8:21/mi

    Even after a few Saturday night beers, I decided I couldn't leave my running week on such a low. Hence, try to get back on plan and get a 10+ mile run in to finish it off.
    Back to PP, basing myself by the Papal Cross again. Quick chat with some of the Porterstown Panthers who were assembling for their Sunday spin, and off I went.
    Instead of last Sunday's Acres/Magazine hills stint, I headed for more familiar non racing territory. Up Chesterfield towards Castleknock Gate, into the breeze to start. Already I was thinking, maybe I should have started with the Panthers, to get me up to speed a bit more gradually. 8:33 for the first mile.
    Don't worry, I'm not going to go through each one step by step :pac: That turned out to be the slowest of this morning's miles. Returning to the trails put an extra pep in my step, and even the S bends and Wellington Road weren't too bad today.
    It got more challenging once I briefly exited PP, around by the CCJ and up the steep hill on Infirmary Road, into the wind again. Back in at the NCR gate, and past Garda HQ up the long North Road drag. Even with the wind in my face once more, I wanted to keep my splits reasonably consistent, which meant having to dig in a bit more than maybe I'd intended at the outset. Turning left and back down Chesterfield brought some welcome respite, and I went through the 10 mile distance just before the Phoenix roundabout. I even got in a mini sprint finish through the Papal Cross car park :D
    Like I say, nice to get back in the groove, to some extent, with my longest run since the Carlingford HM. 29 miles for the week. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Mon 24/8 - Rest

    Tue 25/8 - 4.18 miles @8:40/mi

    The plan was a nice and gentle(ish) shuffle around two and a bit laps of the Doyle Cup XC course in Porterstown. Well. About half way through the first one, and a dog ran the length of the car park extension to bark her head off at me. Not sure what I did wrong there ? It took her owner an age to get her back on the lead. Once she'd managed that feat, I headed out of the park, for a run of the mill plod up to the Power City roundabout and back via Coolmine. Even that had to be changed a tiny bit. Just as I was approaching the level crossing, the barriers came down. No way was I waiting for potentially three or four trains to go through - "bonus" bit of hill work up the 30 steps, and across the railway line with me :)

    Wed 26/8 - Intervals, Porterstown Park

    Sleep has been horrifically bad this week. However, I still thought it would be better to do this early. Back to Porterstown, and after a two mile warmup including strides, I was ready for a bash at another session.

    The one I decided on was (800 on/400 off, 400 on/200 off) x 3. Right, come on. Sooner you get started etc. With the body still waking up, I couldn't maintain the same pace for lap 2 of my first 800. Generous? recovery for the 400. Hard around the bends, try to keep the rhythm on the damp and bumpy track. Only 200 jog recovery to the next 800 though - not so generous :eek: Thankfully I had a bit more fight in me today, although the splits for the later runs were slower than the first attempts.
    3:19/1:36/3:28/1:40/3:32/1:37 - at least my last 400 was quicker than the middle one.

    Thu 27/8 - 7.57 miles @8:32/mi

    The main purpose of this run was to try and get some more distance into the midweek stints. Not a very inspiring route in the morning mist, although it was nice to see a clubmate near the top of the long drag from Blanchardstown village past the NSC up to Ballycoolin. 8:07 on the downhill mile down the back of Corduff. What's going on? :pac:

    Fri 28/8 - Rest

    Sat 29/8 - No running

    Inspired by Laineyfrecks cracking the sub-6 barrier, and two of the Porterstown Panthers getting mile PBs on the same route, my original plan was to try the same in an attempt at redemption after last Saturday's debacle. However, between lots of family stuff, including looking after an already anxious dog while my wife was shopping, I never got around to it. Don't worry, it won't be long. Can't be any worse anyway.

    Sun 30/8 - 12.48 miles @8:06/mi

    Plan - to run further than I had at any stage in almost six months. I chose Corkagh Park in Clondalkin for this task. Why? I could run it in eight loops of approximately 2.5k each, so if I got into bother or just got cranky and decided to go home, I wouldn't be too far away from the car.

    The laps themselves were a mix of the Corkagh parkrun course and the IKA Run For A Life laps. Not too hilly, apart from a short sharp climb around two thirds of the way through the IKA lap. I did this entirely by feel, never checking my pace. I needed to work a bit harder in the second half, as well as having to be extra careful to avoid all the families and dogs who were increasing in number as I progressed. Probably not so disastrous to have some time on the grass - easier on the legs and all that. Very surprised to see how quickly I'd run it - five sub-8 miles in there, wow! Maybe I'm not as far behind as I think, although I'm seriously missing running with company and racing to get the old HTFU going.

    Mon 31/8 - Rest

    30.4 miles for the week, a surprisingly high (at this stage) 125.4 miles for the month.

    Best of luck to my erstwhile clubmate, and my chief collaborator on the DCM 2017 Novices Thread, Auld Man King. MSB continues to be the poorer without him, and it was nice of him to go to a country club, as opposed to another Dublin one :D I won't be calling around to KSU for the pig's head :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Haha nice to see I inspire someone;) Best of luck with it, I'm sure it won't be a bother to ye :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Haha nice to see I inspire someone;) Best of luck with it, I'm sure it won't be a bother to ye :)

    Thanks E, here to help :pac:

    Tue 1/9 - 7.57 miles @8:26/mi

    A mid morning trip to a breezy St Catherine's Park this time. This was an exercise I'd tried several times previously - three loops with the first being the longest. Starting past the dog run down the zigzag hill and over to the woodland trail. Amazingly I had this all to myself - certainly I wouldn't have fancied having to stop on the ridiculously steep hill at the start of it. Each lap had a run parallel to the railway line, and a brief trip to the Kildare side. Enjoyed that one.

    Sun 2/9 - Pyramid session, Porterstown Park

    I mentioned in a previous update about scotindublin's inverted pyramid session with DH about two weeks or so ago. Today, I changed my original plan of running the mile again, to give this one a bash. Basically, instead of your standard pyramid, here you start and finish with your longest rep, with the shortest in the middle. Important to note that it's not the same overall distance!
    In my case, the plan was 800/600/400/200/400/600/800, with 200m jog recoveries. Right from the start, I had no energy, and even getting through the first 800 was a battle of wills (3:28). First 600 I'm already barely hanging on, and apart from the first 200 it's a bust (2:38). 400 is no better (1:41), and with my legs hanging off me, I'm already wondering if I'll even do the 200. To my amazement, I get through it (46s). Now the reps start getting longer. 400 worse again (1:48) and I don't need to check my pace to know I've slowed down drastically. About 340m into the second 600, I've had enough of fighting through the wind and rain and up and down hills on a damp track, and pull the plug. No point in continuing. I'll come back to it again, no doubt, but today wasn't the best time to take it on. Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Well done, some great training going on here, pity there's not much racing coming up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I had attempted my own inverted pyramid about a month ago. I wasn't working off a plan or template so no surprises I blew up, but only on the very last one.

    My plan was 600, 400, 200, 200, 400, 600 with 2:30 jogging recovery. Doesn't look too bad until you consider the paces.

    So the paces were 600 @1k pace, 400@800 pace and the 200@400 pace. I hit all the paces except the last 600 where I fell back to less than mile pace dying horribly over the last 200 metres. I still enjoyed it though and look forward to another crack at it, with maybe tweaking the recoveries slightly to match the interval distance.

    There's definitely a different mental game going on in your head knowing that longer reps are coming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Good to see you giving the inverted pyramid a go. It is a different way to do the session.

    We have done these a couple of times over the summer. The theory from our coach on these are by doing the longer rep first then it means you don't overcook the pace early; when we do them our aim is to do the second half of the pyramid quicker; it is a physiological battle knowing you are ending on a long rep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Thanks all. Nothing so challenging in the week plus since elapsed :D

    Sat 5/9 - 8.56 miles @8:32/mi

    Back in the West for a few days. If nothing else, it would be a bit of running without any worry about time or pace targets.

    This would be the longest run of the trip, on a bright and sunny Connemara morning. Nice sea breeze to push through on the way out to An Spidéal, but I had it behind me coming back, so overall, even though there were a couple of hills to climb, it wasn't overly taxing. As spotted on the gable wall of a pub I passed along the way, "Neartaigh Tú Féin Le Guinness" (Guinness Gives You Strength) :pac:

    Sun 6/9 - 4.68 miles @8:36/mi

    This time I headed east, down to the end of the pier in Bearna, before turning around and coming back. Drizzly morning into the sea breeze on the way back. Nice relaxed couple of runs in the Gaeltacht. I've been doing an Irish course through work for the last few months (with a Crusader and a Dunboyner, among others - neither are on here) so it was nice to put it into practice outside the usual closed environments. Oral exam two weeks from today - all the classes are finished now.

    Mon 7/9 - 4.74 miles @8:31/mi

    I've done this particular run maybe ten times over the years, yet the hill on the way out of the hotel grounds (roughly 100 ft in half a mile) always leaves me stuffed. Of course, it's never been anything to do with any of the food and drink I may have consumed the night before :D

    I was mindful of the need to get it done anyway. No way would I attempt it after the sumptuous breakfast, and with school and work traffic getting going, it would have to be more or less as soon as there was sufficient light. Windy start, in the mist and drizzle. Desperate. Bit of respite at the start of the second mile, but some tasty ups and downs before the turnaround point, just in front of the church in Tullycross, from where I got to run the route in reverse. At least practically the whole last mile is downhill or flat :D although I needed to have my eyes and ears open throughout, particularly with a school coach passing just before the turn back into the hotel grounds. I think I deserved a big brekkie afterwards :pac:

    Tue 8/9 - Rest

    Wed 9/9 - 3.12 miles @9:04/mi

    Having changed base again on Tuesday, it was time for the last holiday run, before the 2 hr plus drive back to D15. I tried to navigate the lakeside trail, but in all honesty it wasn't very runner friendly, due to how narrow and bumpy it was. Besides, it was over a mile from the hotel out the drive to the "main" road and back, with a nice little climb up to reception. My wife was impressed with the hotel (she picked it) and so was I, so we'll probably be staying there again. Thanks to CBG for the route ideas for the next time we're in the vicinity.

    Thu 10/9 - 3.98 miles @8:17/mi

    Home again, with an early afternoon plod around Porterstown to get rid of some of the dirty petrol - of course I put on "a few" pounds in the course of our latest Western trip. Bit of a pooch parade around the park, but for a change none of them had any interest in me :D

    Fri 11/9 - Rest

    Not sure if I'll try a session this weekend. I'll see how the body feels on Saturday morning. Nice to see a few cross country races listed in the calendar. Whether any of them go ahead, or whether I line up in one, would seem - at the time of writing - to be less likely. Of course, I'll only be delighted to be proven wrong - on both counts ! Thanks for reading. Fan Slán. J.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Nice holiday running, J. You've given me flashbacks to one my own Renvyle runs last year, possibly the toughest session I've ever done! Haven't experienced your final destination, although we did stay in its less glamorous sister venue, which teased everyone with pics everywhere of the posher place.


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