Arlene Foster at it again...

smurgen · 30-11-2020 4:10pm

walshb wrote: »

Show me them and I will be the first to call them as disgraceful...

This is not about sides

It's about people behaving like decent and cooperative and tolerant and engaging and warm and opening.....

It is about healing, not wounding!

One second. While the Gleannane gang thread was going in here I think it was yourself or blanch liked a comment calling the Relatives for Justice campaigners headcases? That was dozens of civilians killed in the 70's by loyalistterrorist.This doesn't square with the new can't we all be friends mother Theresa act.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 4:38pm

spook_cook wrote: »

Ah I get you. You want your politicians to not deal or have relations at all with Britain.

No, I wouldn't vote for such a raving lunatic party/politician. I *think* Republican SF or some equally nutty party ran last time in my neck of the woods, pretty sure it's just that lot with such extremists views.

But we're talking about regular SF now. They've wined, dined with the Queen and sure she even gives them pocket money.

No, never said that.

I would like an honest relationship where we don't tippy toe around afraid to offend by asking what they know about the bombing of our cities and towns and other acts and why they are covering it up like the acts that they have eventually, after 40 years owned up to.
To much to ask for on behalf of our own citizens?

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 5:47pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1181287/

Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

Is she right or should she just fcuk right off?

I mean it couldn't be any worse than marching through the streets of NI every year, reminding people of some stupid battle in the 1600s.

100% support for Arlene, from all quarters (bar Sinn Fein) on this occasion, so I suggest that you take your own advice and ***k right off.

Cluedo Monopoly · 30-11-2020 6:00pm

NI politics bores me to tears but this SF chap needs to resign as Chair of the PAC at the very least.
He might have gotten away with it if he had only mentioned the Tom Barry ambush but the one in Warrenpoint was horrific.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 6:17pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

100% support for Arlene, from all quarters (bar Sinn Fein) on this occasion, so I suggest that you take your own advice and ***k right off.

Her party member got handed his hypocritical high ground ass this morning on Morning Ireland by Aubrey Carville.

Junkyard Tom · 30-11-2020 6:18pm

Cazale wrote: »

To quote Tom Barry:

“They said I was ruthless, daring, savage, blood thirsty, even heartless. The clergy called me and my comrades murderers; but the British were met with their own weapons. They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and down after them we had to go.â€

You'd wonder what mental gymnastics people are performing in that they mark Killmichael as a proud moment for the IRA and yet decry Warren Point as 'terrorism'.

I mean, were the British Army in Ireland bad guys in the 1920's and good guys in the 1970's?

walshb · 30-11-2020 6:34pm

smurgen wrote: »

One second. While the Gleannane gang thread was going in here I think it was yourself or blanch liked a comment calling the Relatives for Justice campaigners headcases? That was dozens of civilians killed in the 70's by loyalistterrorist.This doesn't square with the new can't we all be friends mother Theresa act.

What?

No way that was me, and if you see me thanking a post regarding this, show me, and I will remove....

Dempo1 · 30-11-2020 6:49pm

Arlene as some neck, can anyone imagine if a TD wrote to the speaker of the Northern executive complaining, the Orange order would be out marching.

Very very telling its only FG (blueshirts come to mind) fielding TD'S to complain, Simon (Mercs & Perks) Coveney throws the predictable, removing the masks mantra into the mix.

And breaking news, British Government refusing a statutory enquiry into the murder of Pat Finnucan, so much for The Taoiseach's word in Boris"s ear. No doubt Arlene will go all quite now.

Stanley's Tweet from a historical context was reasonable however, the end of the Tweet was uncalled for and silly

smurgen · 30-11-2020 6:54pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Arlene as some neck, can anyone imagine if a TD wrote to the speaker of the Northern executive complaining, the Orange order would be out marching.

Very very telling its only FG (blueshirts come to mind) fielding TD'S to complain, Simon (Mercs & Perks) Coveney throws the predictable, removing the masks mantra into the mix.

And breaking news, British Government refusing a statutory enquiry into the murder of Pat Finnucan, so much for The Taoiseach's word in Boris"s ear. No doubt Arlene will go all quite now.

Stanley's Tweet from a historical context was reasonable however, the end of the Tweet was uncalled for and silly

She's figured out how to use twitter again it seems.Baffling rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1333453401351479302?s=19

Stihl waters · 30-11-2020 7:00pm

I'm no fan of what the IRA have done over the years but I see nothing wrong with taking on and killing British soldiers in an active hot zone where theres a chance they'll come under attack, as far I'm concerned members of the crown forces in a foreign country should expect to be fair game, once that uniform is on consider yourself a target

Stovepipe · 30-11-2020 7:00pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You'd wonder what mental gymnastics people are performing in that they mark Killmichael as a proud moment for the IRA and yet decry Warren Point as 'terrorism'.

I mean, were the British Army in Ireland bad guys in the 1920's and good guys in the 1970's?

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 7:03pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

No different to a bomb from a plane or a Cruise missile or shoot to kill and collusion.

Conflict/war is nasty horrible stuff, there is no such thing as an honourable or clean one.

maccored · 30-11-2020 7:05pm

walshb wrote: »

Seriously,

are you being deliberately obtuse here?

If that was a Unionist reminding us of the "successful" SAS mission in Gibraltar for example, would that be ok as well?

dont they do that every year with their marching? my point stands - warrenpoint changed how the british army ran itself in the north

smurgen · 30-11-2020 7:14pm

Any feedback on Arlene's rebuke of Coveney by the government/oyalists pardon the pun? Of are executions of catholics and the non investigation of said catholics alright?

Junkyard Tom · 30-11-2020 7:15pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back.

So tactically it wasn't as successful? I suppose so..

Stovepipe · 30-11-2020 7:16pm

The problem with that logic is that when the IRA decide that policemen, prison officers, reservists, judges, lawyers, civil servants and civilians who had the misfortune to have the wrong religion are also defined as valid targets. That logic also applied to the Irish Army and Gardai and Revenue and Customs, when it suited the IRA (or versions thereof). The immediate problem of that catch-all policy is that "innocents" get caught in the crossfire, so to speak. So, if it was just as simple as two armed forces going toe to toe, it'd have been over decades ago.

Humberto Salazar · 30-11-2020 7:17pm

Sinn Fein still fighting the war through the likes of Stanley. They haven't gone away you know, remember that next election.

baldbear · 30-11-2020 7:19pm

She's right here. And the TD did delete and apologise.
The North is full of toxicity and one side glorifying killings achieves nothing but division.

Stovepipe · 30-11-2020 7:21pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No different to a bomb from a plane or a Cruise missile or shoot to kill and collusion.

Conflict/war is nasty horrible stuff, there is no such thing as an honourable or clean one.

Not the same. The element of using a supposedly neutral, friendly state as the firing point and subsequent place of retreat of the firers raises the political bar and effectively drags the Republic into the event. The Republic didn't exist at Kilmichael and that event involved no more than a couple of dozen people. Warrenpoint was on a greater scale, altogether, when you add the political element to it.

UDAWINNER · 30-11-2020 7:22pm

Funny thing, I thought Arlene doesn't do twitter. I've never seen her condemn bonfires burning the irish flag, posters of nationalists. etc. As for the next election, I'm sure people will remember all the fcucks ups from ffg rather than a tweet

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 7:26pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Not the same. The element of using a supposedly neutral, friendly state as the firing point and subsequent place of retreat of the firers raises the political bar and effectively drags the Republic into the event. The Republic didn't exist at Kilmichael and that event involved no more than a couple of dozen people. Warrenpoint was on a greater scale, altogether, when you add the political element to it.

The Republic is only involved because you want to drag them into it. Pretty sure by the way those 'firers' would have reckoned they were in their own country firing at a foreign force in their own country.

Cazale · 30-11-2020 7:31pm

Stovepipe wrote:

The Republic didn't exist at Kilmichael

It did. The ambush at Kilmichael was carried out by members of the IRA who were acting under the authority of the Irish Republic proclaimed in 1916 and declared in 1919.

zimmermania · 30-11-2020 7:31pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1181287/

Complains about Laois/Offaly TD's tweet on the Kilmicheal ambush and plans to write to our Ceann Comhairle.

Is she right or should she just fcuk right off?

I mean it couldn't be any worse than marching through the streets of NI every year, reminding people of some stupid battle in the 1600s.

Arlene should have kept her mouth shut,what did she expect from Sinn Fein?

Everyone knows that all SF TDS support murder and provide plenty of evidence whenever the mask slips,it it far better to just recognise the party for what it is.

It is not long since they refused to recognise the irish army,police and courts and no matter what they say now they still feel the same,i.e that they are the legitimate government!!!
The Waterford td screaming up the RA,the clown with the sliced pan on his head in the North of Ireland and ADAMS praising tax fiddler Slab Murphy and of course the party feting the "heroes! who murderd Jerry McCabe (when there was supposed to be a cease fire)
Any person with even a cursory interest in politics should be aware of what SF stand for and the total disregard they have for the truth.

Humberto Salazar · 30-11-2020 7:35pm

baldbear wrote: »

She's right here. And the TD did delete and apologise.
The North is full of toxicity and one side glorifying killings achieves nothing but division.

They always apologize after. Like that Kingsmill bread councillor 'joke'. No sincerity though, because they believe in the cause no
matter how the political landscape has changed.

Stihl waters · 30-11-2020 7:36pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

So drones and missiles shouldn't be used, ambushes to be done away with, no more clandestine missions, a hail fellow well met greeting before agreeing to a round of bullets, nonsense really, if you're in the uniform and deployed you're battle ready whether in the middle east or in northern Ireland, tough shìt imo if you end up on the wrong side of a bullet or a bomb while in a country you have no business being in

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 7:44pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

The paras just shot randomly across the border and murdered an innocent civilian in retaliation

KarlMarks · 30-11-2020 7:46pm

What's the issue here with the outrage over the tweet??. Warrenpoint was a legitimate military action against a foreign invading force on this island. An action that should be celebrated by all Irish Republicans and seen as a victory against colonialism, capitalism, and the cosy status quo.

The Kingsmill Loaf incident was actually offensive as it appeared to make light of what was a sickening sectarian atrocity.

Junkyard Tom · 30-11-2020 7:47pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

So, if it was just as simple as two armed forces going toe to toe, it'd have been over decades ago.

It's unlikely we'd have an independent 26 counties if it was two armed forces going 'toe-to-toe'. You expect the Provisional IRA to go toe-to-toe with the British Army but it was okay for the IRA of the 20's to assassinate, ambush and disappear people?

It's amusing watching people tie themselves up in knots over this.

KarlMarks · 30-11-2020 7:54pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's unlikely we'd have an independent 26 counties if it was two armed forces going 'toe-to-toe'. You expect the Provisional IRA to go toe-to-toe with the British Army but it was okay for the IRA of the 20's to assassinate, ambush and disappear people?

It's amusing watching people tie themselves up in knots over this.

It's the sickening thing about Free Staters. They were cosy enough with the status quo and running their own little state as they saw fit, while passing the odd platitude about history while ignoring what was going on up the road. Shower of traitors to be honest.

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 7:58pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

I'm no fan of what the IRA have done over the years but I see nothing wrong with taking on and killing British soldiers in an active hot zone where theres a chance they'll come under attack, as far I'm concerned members of the crown forces in a foreign country should expect to be fair game, once that uniform is on consider yourself a target

Nothing wrong with taking on and killing British soldiers, really Stihl waters and with who's authority would you kill them?
The Irish State? No,
The Irish people? No,
The Provisional IRA Yes

You're quite the barstool Republican hardman, aren't you :rolleyes:

It's this kind of poisoned thinking that perpetuates the myth the the Provos were in some way fighting a war against a foreign power, when in reality the PIRA were nothing but a bunch of murdering scum who brought nothing but death sorrow, and division to so many on this island.

How many died that day?
Emergency personnel up ladders picking bits of bodies out of trees for hours after the murders.

How many died so that this Sinn Fein upstart Stanley could tweet his smart arse bile and get away with it. As if I didn't hate Sinn Fein enough, and now this, I tell ya, if that Stanley fella ever comes near my hall door I .....

Stihl waters · 30-11-2020 8:04pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Nothing wrong with taking on and killing British soldiers, really Stihl waters and with who's authority would you kill them?
The Irish State? No,
The Irish people? No,
The Provisional IRA Yes

You're quite the barstool Republican hardman, aren't you :rolleyes:

It's this kind of poisoned thinking that perpetuates the myth the the Provos were in some way fighting a war against a foreign power, when in reality the PIRA were nothing but a bunch of murdering scum who brought nothing but death sorrow, and division to so many on this island.

How many died that day?
Emergency personnel up ladders picking bits of bodies out of trees for hours after the murders.

How many died so that this Sinn Fein upstart Stanley could tweet his smart arse bile and get away with it. As if I didn't hate Sinn Fein enough, and now this, I tell ya, if that Stanley fella ever comes near my hall door I .....

Tough shìt, they weren't on a sun holiday

Fuascailteoir · 30-11-2020 8:09pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Nothing wrong with taking on and killing British soldiers, really Stihl waters and with who's authority would you kill them?
The Irish State? No,
The Irish people? No,
The Provisional IRA Yes

You're quite the barstool Republican hardman, aren't you :rolleyes:

It's this kind of poisoned thinking that perpetuates the myth the the Provos were in some way fighting a war against a foreign power, when in reality the PIRA were nothing but a bunch of murdering scum who brought nothing but death sorrow, and division to so many on this island.

How many died that day?
Emergency personnel up ladders picking bits of bodies out of trees for hours after the murders.

How many died so that this Sinn Fein upstart Stanley could tweet his smart arse bile and get away with it. As if I didn't hate Sinn Fein enough, and now this, I tell ya, if that Stanley fella ever comes near my hall door I .....

The British government saw nothing wrong with unleashing the parachute regiment to murder innocent Irish civilians. In fact so impressed was the British establishment with the carnage they brought that they saw fit to commend them. Is a reason why a popular school yard chant directed towards British soldiers in the 1980s was 18 brits blown to bits

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 8:12pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Tough shìt, they weren't on a sun holiday

Tough **** you say.

The divisions on this island obviously run very deep. You're Irish, I'm Irish, I hate everything the PROVOs did or said, and you obviously support them and their murdering ways.

Stovepipe · 30-11-2020 8:13pm

Kilmichael and Crossbarry WERE direct combat against armed soldiers. Both sides knew the consequence.

Stihl waters · 30-11-2020 8:14pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Tough **** you say.

The divisions on this island obviously run very deep. You're Irish, I'm Irish, I hate everything the PROVOs did or said, and you obviously support them and their murdering ways.

I'll leave you to your ignorant beliefs

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 8:22pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

I'll leave you to your ignorant beliefs

Well you supported the murders that day, so others can make up their minds as to who's ignorant.

I'm pro life and pro dialogue, but I am not and never have been pro planting bombs and murdering people according to what a terrorist organisation might order. We the Irish people never agreed or ordered the murder of those soldiers, or Lord Mountbatten, or the kids.

smurgen · 30-11-2020 8:49pm

Sammy Wilson doing what he does best. Quiet a few big supporter in here I'd imagine.

https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432?s=19

UDAWINNER · 30-11-2020 8:58pm

smurgen wrote: »

Sammy Wilson doing what he does best. Quiet a few big supporter in here I'd imagine.

https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432?s=19

Certain posters will be on here to defend this bigot. I wonder will any our govt complain about this tweet, would not bet on it

Galwayguy35 · 30-11-2020 9:21pm

Any time civilians die its wrong.

The British army was a legitimate target though and weren't shy about pulling the trigger themselves back then or even these days either so I'm not seeing what all the outrage is about.

Mountbatten wasn't much of a loss either but the death of the two kids was a tragedy.

Hamsterchops · 30-11-2020 10:00pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The British army was a legitimate target though and weren't shy about pulling the trigger themselves back then or even these days either so I'm not seeing what all the outrage is about.

Mountbatten wasn't much of a loss either but the death of the two kids was a tragedy.

Who said the army was a legitimate target? Who said Lord Mountbatten was a legitimate target?and who said the kids and the Nanny were expendable?

Answer; The Provisional IRA, an illegal terrorist organisation answerable to nobody but themselves.

rapul · 30-11-2020 10:01pm

What about the innocent targets as you put it or civilians those nice British lads shot in cold blood for the sheer craic

The British were legitimate targets being an occupying force in Ireland.

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:07pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Who said the army was a legitimate target? Who said Lord Mountbatten was a legitimate target?and who said the kids and the Nanny were expendable?

Answer; The Provisional IRA, an illegal terrorist organisation answerable to nobody but themselves.

Who are the British answerable to? They gave the answer today - nobody.

How many 'answered' for crimes here?

Correct HC they are answerable to nobody but themselves so that evens that up.

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:16pm

My god...

Why are people still harping on about the attacks being justified?

I get this. I understand this..

The issue is that in 2020 an elected representative is bringing up these acts, that saw humans lose their lives , in a nasty and celebratory way...

This is the issue. Not whether not the acts (at the time) were or were not justified..

We are years past this, and have peace now. His reminding “the Brits” of these attacks is what is disgusting..

The acts themselves, at the time were part of our people’s reaction to being occupied!

Can our people not separate here?

maccored · 30-11-2020 10:19pm

walshb wrote: »

My god...

Why are people still harping on about the attacks being justified?

I get this. I understand this..

The issue is that in 2020 an elected representative is bringing up these acts, that saw humans lose their lives , in a nasty and celebratory way...

This is the issue. Not whether not the acts (at the time) were or were not justified..

We are years past this, and have peace now. His reminding “the Brits” of these attacks is what is disgusting..

The acts themselves, at the time were part of our people’s reaction to being occupied!

Can our people not separate here?

ive asked this already - how are the Stanleys twitter comment any different that 12th july marches?

c.p.w.g.w · 30-11-2020 10:21pm

The Brits committed warm crimes on this island for generations...and sure just look at what the northies have done with not allowing an inquest into Pat Finucane murder by the hand of the British government

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:21pm

maccored wrote: »

ive asked this already - how are the Stanleys twitter comment any different that 12th july marches?

The marches are also a disgrace!

maccored · 30-11-2020 10:23pm

walshb wrote: »

The marches are also a disgrace!

though wheres all the threads by blanch152 and crew giving out about the marches every year? Or the media for that matter. One rule for the unionists and a different one for SF? Again?

walshb · 30-11-2020 10:25pm

maccored wrote: »

though wheres all the threads by blanch152 and crew giving out about the marches every year? Or the media for that matter. One rule for the unionists and a different one for SF? Again?

Well, that is not me

I have always stood behind the Garvaghy Road residents, and other nationalist under siege from that hate and triumphalism!

FrancieBrady · 30-11-2020 10:25pm

walshb wrote: »

My god...

Why are people still harping on about the attacks being justified?

I get this. I understand this..

The issue is that in 2020 an elected representative is bringing up these acts, that saw humans lose their lives , in a nasty and celebratory way...

This is the issue. Not whether not the acts (at the time) were or were not justified..

We are years past this, and have peace now. His reminding “the Brits” of these attacks is what is disgusting..

The acts themselves, at the time were part of our people’s reaction to being occupied!

Can our people not separate here?

So, how do you propose resolving the issue?

If Arlene can succeed with her complaint to the Oireachtas what do you do about Unionist celebrating of war against the Irish? What if she next complains about us celebrating Independence and how it was gained? She refused to attend the commemorations of 1916 because she believed it was wrong and criminal while celebrating Carson who re-introduced the gun to Irish politics and was in fact the first 'terrorist'.

Genuine question. How do you remember the past in a divided post conflict society?

intellectual dosser · 30-11-2020 10:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, how do you propose resolving the issue?

If Arlene can succeed with her complaint to the Oireachtas what do you do about Unionist celebrating of war against the Irish? What if she next complains about us celebrating Independence and how it was gained? She refused to attend the commemorations of 1916 because she believed it was wrong and criminal while celebrating Carson who re-introduced the gun to Irish politics and was in fact the first 'terrorist'.

Genuine question. How do you remember the past in a divided post conflict society?

If Sinn Fein want to hold genuine power in the south they should at least be seen to be holding themselves to higher standards. Whataboutery is the medium through which politics is done in the North, not as effective down here.

I'm not looking for Stanley to be dragged through the streets. Sinn Fein can deal with it internally, he can 'regret a misjudged tweet' and everyone move on.

Arlene Foster at it again...

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