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Arlene Foster at it again...

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    #122
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    walshb wrote: »
    Who is crying these tears? Where, how?

    Well you are doing a good job of it. The paras were vile psychopaths who came over here and murdered and maimed men, women and children. They had great form and experience from their jaunts around the colonies


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    #123
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    Well you are doing a good job of it. The paras were vile psychopaths who came over here and murdered and maimed men, women and children. They had great form and experience from their jaunts around the colonies

    Utter bull..

    Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

    You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

    And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

    You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

    I just wish more people realized this


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    #124
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    walshb wrote: »
    Utter bull..

    Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that I am crying for paras?

    You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

    And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

    You said the tweet was hurtful. To who exactly?. Should no one should pass comment on them as it might hurt their feelings to be reminded of what a shower of reprehensible psychopaths they are. The fact is that they had gotten away with murder and torture for decades in areas with little coverage. That changed in Ireland


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    #125
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    walshb wrote: »
    Utter bull..

    Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

    You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

    And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

    You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

    I just wish more people realized this

    It's more like FG as a party now look back on Irish history as see the Irish as the bad guys. I think that's where we differ.


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    #126
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    walshb wrote: »
    Utter bull..

    Why is it that those who think the tweet was a disgrace means that they are crying for paras?

    You clearly have not read my posts and views on this.

    And if you have, then I’d seriously question your comprehension!

    You don’t need to be anti Brit and hate the brits to be a proud Irish person

    I just wish more people realized this

    What sort of rubbish is that. Who mentioned anything about hating the brits.


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    #127
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    What sort of rubbish is that. Who mentioned anything about hating the brits.

    Not near as rubbish as your claiming my crying for paras..


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    #128
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    walshb wrote: »
    Not near as rubbish as your claiming my crying for paras..

    Yeah good luck


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    #129
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    You said the tweet was hurtful. To who exactly?. Should no one should pass comment on them as it might hurt their feelings to be reminded of what a shower of reprehensible psychopaths they are. The fact is that they had gotten away with murder and torture for decades in areas with little coverage. That changed in Ireland

    So all those people who lost their lives..

    Their loved ones. Their mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

    What sort of person are you?

    I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

    That was then. This is now.

    I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides


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    #130
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Well, for a start, the British at Kilmichael had a chance to fight back. They got to look their enemy in the face and go toe to toe and took their chances. The British killed at Warrenpoint had no such chance, from a bomb initiated in the South.

    To be fair that’s a cracking way to wage war. Ya don’t want the other lad to have a chance. Body bag for him, home to tea for me. Who the hell wouldn’t want them odds?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #131
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Just one thing, the acts themselves were carried out by a terrorist group called the Provisional IRA who were NOT representative of the population!

    'The Irish people's reaction' was one of horror and disgust, obviously not from Republicans who probably celebrated as the bodies parts were collected and put in plastic bags, but the rest of the island was horrified. And don't forget the PIRA were not only fighting against the security forces up North, they were also at it down here too, so they were our enemy as well as being the enemy up North.

    One cannot take something by force and them be upset when the lad you took it from takes up a rifle.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #132
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    So all those people who lost their lives..

    Their loved ones. There mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

    What sort of person are you?

    I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

    That was then. This is now.

    I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides

    Soldiers are celebrated/commemorated every year here. Those who killed and maimed humans here and the world over. Michael Martin the latest to do it with the poppy in his lapel. How do you think that makes victims feel?
    Do you ask 'What sort of person is Michael Martin?'

    You want to censor comment on the conflict, seems to me you only want one side to be censored.
    Seems to me the best way to approach this is a full and frank discussion of the legacy issues and then everyone remembers their dead with respect to the victims of their dead.


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    #133
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    walshb wrote: »
    So all those people who lost their lives..

    Their loved ones. There mother’s, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters and others..Means nothing to them, or you?

    What sort of person are you?

    I am Irish. Someone who never criticised the armed struggle from nationalists..

    That was then. This is now.

    I can separate an armed conflict from humans who died and whose relatives were so badly traumatised..On BOTH sides

    Those who lost their lives? you mean as in the BA that died in Warren point? They came to Ireland as part of an oppressive regime and chose to put their boot on the neck of the locals. Just as they had done in countless other countries where they chose to maim, torture and murder.


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    #134
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Soldiers are celebrated/commemorated every year here. Those who killed and maimed humans here and the world over. Michael Martin the latest to do it with the poppy in his lapel. How do you think that makes victims feel?
    Do you ask 'What sort of person is Michael Martin?'

    You want to censor comment on the conflict, seems to me you only want one side to be censored.
    Seems to me the best way to approach this is a full and frank discussion of the legacy issues and then everyone remembers their dead with respect to the victims of their dead.

    I think I have been very clear here..

    Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..

    I also can sympathise and empathise with both sides on their losses.

    Isn’t this the attitude needed, and the attitude that has gotten us this far?

    Call me a caring gentle moderate nationalist...


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    #135
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    I think I have been very clear here..

    Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..

    I also can sympathise and empathise with both sides on their losses.

    Isn’t this the attitude needed, and the attitude that has gotten us this far?

    Call me a caring gentle moderate nationalist...

    Link me to where you called out wrong before?


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    #136
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Link me to where you called out wrong before?

    What?

    The marches by unionists-loyalists in nationalist areas.

    Disgusting!


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    #137
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    What?

    The marches by unionists-loyalists in nationalist areas.

    Disgusting!

    Link me to where you called them out?


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    #138
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fuascailteoir wrote: »
    Those who lost their lives? you mean as in the BA that died in Warren point? They came to Ireland as part of an oppressive regime and chose to put their boot on the neck of the locals. Just as they had done in countless other countries where they chose to maim, torture and murder.

    And as a human, does their loved ones and families ever enter your mind?

    They are people . No different to many other people..

    I certainly am not crying for paras.

    But I can, as a caring human, empathise with their loved ones on their loss.


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    #139
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Link me to where you called them out?

    Are you on a wind up?

    What is this?


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    #140
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Are you on a wind up?

    What is this?

    You said you called out all sides if they do something like this, or loyalist marches. Asking you to post a link to where you have done this.

    42,000 posts since 2005, there must be plenty.


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    #141
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You said you called out all sides if they do something like this, or loyalist marches. Asking you to post a link to where you have done this.

    42,000 posts since 2005, there must be plenty.

    Hold on..

    So I need to have a post on boards now claiming loyalists marching into nationalist areas is disgusting, to what, make you happy?

    Are you for real..?

    In this thread I have said it. Twice on this thread..

    Tell you what. Start a thread on it and I’ll post my disagreement to it for you.


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    #142
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    walshb wrote: »
    And as a human, does their loved ones and families ever enter your mind?

    They are people . No different to many other people..

    I certainly am not crying for paras.

    But I can, as a caring human, empathise with their loved ones on their loss.

    About as much as I would for ISIS brides.


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    #143
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Hold on..

    So I need to have a post on boards now claiming loyalists marching into nationalist areas is disgusting, to what, make you happy?

    Are you for real..?

    In this thread I have said it. Twice on this thread..

    Tell you what. Start a thread on it and I’ll post my disagreement to it for you.

    So it would be fair to say you haven't in fact called out other 'wrongs' except this one.
    I wasn't trying to catch you out, although it's odd that you haven't.

    I wanted to ask if you would be in favour of banning these marches in a UI or even now in the north as a 'solution' as you seem to think banning or banishing this tweeter is a 'solution' or when you would be ready for a mature discussion of 'how we remember' going forward?


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    #144
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    walshb wrote: »
    I think I have been very clear here..

    Both sides need to show restraint, decorum and respect..I will simply call out what I believe to be wrong from either side..


    Both sides, you posted anything about this?

    https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432

    Funny old game the both sides thing.


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    #145
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Bambi wrote: »
    Both sides, you posted anything about this?

    https://twitter.com/eastantrimmp/status/1333485393719783432

    Funny old game the both sides thing.

    Wrong that.

    So post a thread on unionist issues and we’ll log in and condemn..

    This thread could concerns the SF tweet..


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    #146
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Wrong that.

    So post a thread on unionist issues and we’ll log in and condemn..

    This thread could concerns the SF tweet..

    Thread is about a Unionist - Arlene Foster.


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    #147
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So it would be fair to say you haven't in fact called out other 'wrongs' except this one.
    I wasn't trying to catch you out, although it's odd that you haven't.

    I wanted to ask if you would be in favour of banning these marches in a UI or even now in the north as a 'solution' as you seem to think banning or banishing this tweeter is a 'solution' or when you would be ready for a mature discussion of 'how we remember' going forward?

    Francie, I am a wee bit of a nationalist..

    Just not as hardline as you..

    Loyalist marches into nationalist areas is abhorrent.


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    #148
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Thread is about a Unionist - Arlene Foster.

    Her complaining about a SF tweet..


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    #149
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Francie, I am a wee bit of a nationalist..

    Just not as hardline as you..


    You are a nationalist who made a big deal about how you would call out anyone who did something like this and weren't able to show where you had done this.

    A nationalist who only calls out the wrongs of nationalists...hmmmm

    Not buying that one quite yet.


    I'm not hardline in the slightest...I'm looking for solutions to this, because it isn't just about a tweet and it's not going to be found in hypocritical high moral grounding either.


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    #150
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,944 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    walshb wrote: »
    Her complaining about a SF tweet..

    Perfect opportunity to call her out and her party...if it's about both sides. There is already two threads dealing with the tweet.


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    #151
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,603 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You are a nationalist who made a big deal about how you would call out anyone who did something like this and weren't able to show where you had done this.

    A nationalist who only calls out the wrongs of nationalists...hmmmm

    Not buying that one quite yet.


    I'm not hardline in the slightest...I'm looking for solutions to this, because it isn't just about a tweet and it's not going to be found in hypocritical high moral grounding either.

    Like I said. Any threads about Unionists/loyalists wrongs?

    I have no issue condemning..


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