The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Christy42 · 13-05-2021 12:17am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the packers are reported to be signing Blake Bortles. So bortles vs hill if things aren’t sorted out in Green Bay.

That browns vs chiefs game could be tasty provided the browns continue their form from last season. The jets vs panthers is funny.

Bortles vs Winston. Let's see how many pick 6s we can crank out in one game.

Though I do suspect Bortles is to be the back up for Love.

BonnieSituation · 13-05-2021 12:38am

Christy42 wrote: »

Bortles vs Winston. Let's see how many pick 6s we can crank out in one game.

Though I do suspect Bortles is to be the back up for Love.

Hopefully.

Aaron, come to Butthead

eagle eye · 13-05-2021 7:36am

What happens to the cap hit for Rodgers if he gets traded now?
I'd imagine not many teams would be able to cover it if they had to take the full hit.

raze_them_all_ · 13-05-2021 7:54am

eagle eye wrote: »

What happens to the cap hit for Rodgers if he gets traded now?
I'd imagine not many teams would be able to cover it if they had to take the full hit.

It gets split June first. That's the time it really will tell if packers are serious about keeping them

Guffy · 13-05-2021 9:22am

OOnegative wrote: »

Obviously your thinking Pittsburgh is 1 like myself......

Delusions

Worst team in AFC North

adrian522 · 13-05-2021 10:14am

eagle eye wrote: »

What happens to the cap hit for Rodgers if he gets traded now?
I'd imagine not many teams would be able to cover it if they had to take the full hit.

If he is traded post June first the packers take a dead cap hit of $14.3m in 2021 and $17.2m in 2022

The team trading for him would have a cap hit of $22.8m in 2021 and $25.3m in 2022, though presumably a restructure would be on the cards.

https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-rodgers/1085/

Itssoeasy · 13-05-2021 12:08pm

The schedule was released in full last night and the eagles first six games are dog rough. We got the bucs and the Chiefs and niners in that time. The eagles bye week is week 14. After week 6 I see some reason for hope as most if not all of the teams outside the NFC east that we play are the 1927 New York yankees based on last season. Only two non Sunday games(TNF, SNF, MNF) which isn’t a bad thing. ESPN has the eagles winning 11 games but nothing is decided in mid may of an NFL season and I’ve no idea what they’re basing that on.

17-05-2021 4:41pm

Eagles signed Ryan kerrigan. Excelent signing

Hococop · 17-05-2021 5:07pm

Lily Thoughtless Swimmer wrote: »

Eagles signed Ryan kerrigan. Excelent signing

Delighted with that, constantly getting one or two sacks against us Everytime we play them

Mysterypunter · 20-05-2021 10:50pm

D9Male wrote: »

If he makes the roster, I will eat my hat.

Would you like salt with that, he signed today, but on a serious note Tebow had 1 pass target in his career, it was a throw from Mark Sanchez that hit him in the face

el Fenomeno · 20-05-2021 11:57pm

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Would you like salt with that, he signed today, but on a serious note Tebow had 1 pass target in his career, it was a throw from Mark Sanchez that hit him in the face

I think he means the final roster, and not the 90 at the start of training camp.

But I think he will make it given its Meyer's decision.

BonnieSituation · 21-05-2021 12:18am

Simms was losing it on PFT earlier. He really hates Tebow.

Itssoeasy · 21-05-2021 8:17am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Simms was losing it on PFT earlier. He really hates Tebow.

Hate is probably too strong an emotion for Tim tebow, but I feel he’s getting help that others wouldn’t and a chance others wouldn’t be getting. Him being close to Urban Meyer is the reason.

Christy42 · 21-05-2021 8:59am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Hate is probably too strong an emotion for Tim tebow, but I feel he’s getting help that others wouldn’t and a chance others wouldn’t be getting. Him being close to Urban Meyer is the reason.

I don't get it. That describes 99% of coaching appointments in the nfl. I doubt Tebow will set the league on fire but let him play, it isn't like there is a glut of star TEs out there.

I agree many would not get the second chance which is unfair but he is hardly the only one to benefit from previous connections.

raze_them_all_ · 21-05-2021 10:28am

A player has literally shot himself in the leg went to jail and been given a second chance.

Another star player had a dog fighting pit went to jail and got a chance.

Tebows crime is he's Tebow

adrian522 · 21-05-2021 12:23pm

And that he's not very good and is not a tight end.

Itssoeasy · 21-05-2021 12:32pm

Christy42 wrote: »

I don't get it. That describes 99% of coaching appointments in the nfl. I doubt Tebow will set the league on fire but let him play, it isn't like there is a glut of star TEs out there.

I agree many would not get the second chance which is unfair but he is hardly the only one to benefit from previous connections.

Most players who get a second chance get that second chance at the position they played at the first time around. Tim tebow is getting a chance at a position, that unless I’ve missed it, has never played before. Hopefully whether he makes the team or not is based solely on his play and not who he is.

Itssoeasy · 21-05-2021 12:34pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

A player has literally shot himself in the leg went to jail and been given a second chance.

Another star player had a dog fighting pit went to jail and got a chance.

Tebows crime is he's Tebow

No it not that’s he’s Tim tebow, it’s that he’s never played at TE yet gets singed to a team after five years completely out of the game when he played a different position and being honest on the whole didn’t set the world alight when he played QB.

Christy42 · 21-05-2021 1:04pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

No it not that’s he’s Tim tebow, it’s that he’s never played at TE yet gets singed to a team after five years completely out of the game when he played a different position and being honest on the whole didn’t set the world alight when he played QB.

He didn't but he was always one of the most ridiculous athletes in the game. Being a ridiculous athlete helps. Getting drafted as a QB to the NFL is hard. Getting drafted without being able to throw the ball is ridiculous.

His main failings as a QB won't be relevant as a TE. Certainly it would be nice to have spent more time learning blocking and running routes but he isn't the only one to have relearned a new position. I don't see why 5 years completely out of the game makes a difference. He kept in shape and is learning a new position in any case.

Plenty of people have been out of the game for a few years. Plenty of people have changed positions. Doing both is a bit ambitious but hardly out of the realms of possibility.

eagle eye · 21-05-2021 3:06pm

adrian522 wrote:

And that he's not very good and is not a tight end.

How do you know what he's like as a tight end? I'd suggest Urban Meyer might know a little more about him than you do.

Also the obvious thing here is how many fans he brings in. As far as I can remember the Jags struggled to sell tickets, they'll be sold out if he's involved.

el Fenomeno · 21-05-2021 3:25pm

Let's not pretend Tebow has been sitting on his arse for the last few years, or that he's making some dramatic career change like becoming a Tight End after spending years as an accountant or doctor. It's not out of the realms of possibility that he knows how to play the position, or that he can work hard enough at it to give it a real go.

Most teams have 90 players or thereabouts on their roster currently. That's supposedly the 2,880 best football players in the country already off the market. If Meyer wants to take a flyer on Tebow over some undrafted rookie or some journeyman veteran who can't crack the Top 2,880 list, then I have no problem that.

It probably won't work out, but if it does then Meyer deserves credit for giving him a shot. I don't think Meyer is expecting the second coming of Gronk or Kelce, but if he makes the roster as a TE or H-Back, there could be some very interesting packages in short yardage or goal-to-go downs.

Christy42 · 21-05-2021 6:50pm

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you know what he's like as a tight end? I'd suggest Urban Meyer might know a little more about him than you do.

Also the obvious thing here is how many fans he brings in. As far as I can remember the Jags struggled to sell tickets, they'll be sold out if he's involved.

Apparently 5 top selling items today on nflshop are Tim Tebow related.

Honestly I don't get this in either direction. It is a tight end on league minimum. If it works out great, we get a cheap tight end with some interesting packages. If it doesn't who cares, just cut him. However he hasn't been running routes. I have no expectation of him being a hall of fame TE or even top 10. Seems like a good rotation piece. Why anyone hates this massively or loves it massively is beyond me.

Jags get an incredibly strong and fast TE for little money but hardly one that will put up big numbers.

adrian522 · 21-05-2021 7:04pm

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you know what he's like as a tight end? I'd suggest Urban Meyer might know a little more about him than you do.

Also the obvious thing here is how many fans he brings in. As far as I can remember the Jags struggled to sell tickets, they'll be sold out if he's involved.

Because he's never played at TE, never blocked, never ran routes, never been a pass catcher. Also no way he makes the roster. Pure PR nonsense to sell jerseys.

No one is going to convince me he is better option than an actual TE who has been practicing his skills all his life.

21-05-2021 9:20pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Because he's never played at TE, never blocked, never ran routes, never been a pass catcher. Also no way he makes the roster. Pure PR nonsense to sell jerseys.

No one is going to convince me he is better option than an actual TE who has been practicing his skills all his life.

Sometimes teams take flyers. Washington signed Sammy Reyes who's never played football I think

eagle eye · 21-05-2021 10:09pm

adrian522 wrote:

Because he's never played at TE, never blocked, never ran routes, never been a pass catcher. Also no way he makes the roster. Pure PR nonsense to sell jerseys.

He has blocked many times in college. He did it a few times in the NFL too.
And as for selling jerseys, it's a business.

adrian522 wrote:

No one is going to convince me he is better option than an actual TE who has been practicing his skills all his life.

You haven't a clue about what he can do though. Urban Meyer worked with him for four years in Florida.

adrian522 · 21-05-2021 11:29pm

How many TE snaps did he run at Florida?

Itssoeasy · 21-05-2021 11:34pm

And yes while I agree he wasn’t sitting on his hole for the past five years, he was trying his hand at baseball and as a fan of both sports, I can’t see many skills transferring between the two.

eagle eye · 22-05-2021 12:17am

adrian522 wrote:

How many TE snaps did he run at Florida?

I wasn't part of the coaching staff so I couldn't tell you if he did any or not but Urban Meyer knows all about him.

He certainly did block though, many times.

eagle eye · 22-05-2021 12:20am

Itssoeasy wrote:

And yes while I agree he wasnâ€™t sitting on his hole for the past five years, he was trying his hand at baseball and as a fan of both sports, I canâ€™t see many skills transferring between the two.

So playing outfield and timing a catch wouldn't help you? You don't think playing shortstop would help?

Faugheen · 22-05-2021 12:54am

I'm pretty sure Tim Tebow won't be a starting TE.

Mysterypunter · 22-05-2021 1:50am

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I think he means the final roster, and not the 90 at the start of training camp.

But I think he will make it given its Meyer's decision.

I kinda knew that, I was only being a smart arse, its a ridiculous signing as far as I can see, this man seems to be still assessed by his college career, he could be a disaster as an nfl tight end. Jacksonville draft Trevor Lawrence and sign Tebow for him to throw to. It looks crazy, a 33 year old with 0 lifetime catches who never played the position, and as I said in an earlier post, he has 1 career target, and it hit him in the face

AbusesToilets · 23-05-2021 9:33pm

Maybe he's being looked at more as a FB than pass catching TE. His physicality would lend itself to that. Taysom Hill basically had the career he should've had, albeit Hill is a much better passer.

eagle eye · 24-05-2021 12:49am

AbusesToilets wrote:

Maybe he's being looked at more as a FB than pass catching TE. His physicality would lend itself to that. Taysom Hill basically had the career he should've had, albeit Hill is a much better passer.

Hill is a better passer? Since when?

adrian522 · 24-05-2021 10:10am

Since always. Tebow is a terrible passer and while Hill isn't great he's shown a lot more as a passer than Tebow ever did in the NFL.

Shedite27 · 24-05-2021 10:13am

eagle eye wrote: »

Hill is a better passer? Since when?

Than Tebow? Benny Hill would throw a better spiral

Blut2 · 24-05-2021 11:14am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Maybe he's being looked at more as a FB than pass catching TE. His physicality would lend itself to that. Taysom Hill basically had the career he should've had, albeit Hill is a much better passer.

Taysom Hill is the exact goal for Tebow you'd imagine. If Hill managed to make the transition from sub-par QB with an unusual age/career profile to athletic gadget/utility back theres no glaring reason Tebow can't do the exact same.

Its not great odds mind you, but its a reasonable punt given his cheap cost, pre-existing experience with the coaching team and very marketable local connections.

eagle eye · 24-05-2021 1:55pm

adrian522 wrote:

Since always. Tebow is a terrible passer and while Hill isn't great he's shown a lot more as a passer than Tebow ever did in the NFL.

Lol, Hill is a terrible passer. He's actually very like Tebow.

adrian522 · 24-05-2021 1:56pm

Oh, so they are very alike now?

24-05-2021 2:14pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Oh, so they are very alike now?

Hell change his mind just so he can continue to argue with you but if you keep disagreeing your a bully and everyone else is a bully and he hates bully's or something along those lines

Foxtrol · 24-05-2021 2:45pm

Blut2 wrote: »

Taysom Hill is the exact goal for Tebow you'd imagine. If Hill managed to make the transition from sub-par QB with an unusual age/career profile to athletic gadget/utility back theres no glaring reason Tebow can't do the exact same.

Its not great odds mind you, but its a reasonable punt given his cheap cost, pre-existing experience with the coaching team and very marketable local connections.

Tebow being 34 at the start of the season after being out of the game for several years seems like a glaring reason. Hill transitioning to that utility role in game shape quite soon out of college is a completely different situation.

Your post makes it appear like this is a low risk high reward move which completely ignores potential team morale impact of a guy being handed a place on the team and the massive distraction Tebow is already and will continue to be. Distraction was rolled out over and over as justification for teams not to sign Kaepernick.

I was very skeptical about the Meyer appointment and everything he has done so far has lead me to be even more skeptical.

Blut2 · 24-05-2021 4:22pm

To be fair I may have phrased that badly. I don't disagree that its very unlikely to work out - I wouldn't give it more than 5% odds of him pulling it off.

But I just don't buy the massive downside to it. Tebow isn't Antonio Brown, hes by all accounts that I've seen a very good influence in camp. So I can't see him destroying team morale. And they can always cut him before the season kicks off, so he doesn't take up a valuable squad position. And they'll have generated a load of buzz, and apparently a huge amount of merchandise sales, and given something odd a chance before then.

Itssoeasy · 24-05-2021 6:18pm

Nfl network is reporting that Aaron Rodgers is expected to speak publicly tonight. They didn’t say where though. He hasn’t attended the packers OTAs which isn’t a big shock.

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2021 6:36pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Nfl network is reporting that Aaron Rodgers is expected to speak publicly tonight. They didn’t say where though. He hasn’t attended the packers OTAs which isn’t a big shock.

Oh my my

Foxtrol · 24-05-2021 6:49pm

Blut2 wrote: »

To be fair I may have phrased that badly. I don't disagree that its very unlikely to work out - I wouldn't give it more than 5% odds of him pulling it off.

But I just don't buy the massive downside to it. Tebow isn't Antonio Brown, hes by all accounts that I've seen a very good influence in camp. So I can't see him destroying team morale. And they can always cut him before the season kicks off, so he doesn't take up a valuable squad position. And they'll have generated a load of buzz, and apparently a huge amount of merchandise sales, and given something odd a chance before then.

Aren't all merchandise sales split between all teams? Pretty sure it is treated the same as TV revenue. Sure, he might increase local sponsorship but that is relative pennies.

Agree he isn't AB but he is still a distraction. Players will get frustrated by all the media attention and questions being asked about a guy who wouldn't be near the initial squad if he wasn't mates with the coach and/or had such a 'brand'. Their whole offseason is going to be focused on Tebow and then whether he is or isn't picked. Even if he steps up as a 'leader' as some claim, surely you want that leadership focus to be on your rookie QB, not a guy who is potentially going to be cut. Nearly every top coach speaks about reducing noise from the outside and all they've done is bring a massive amount for a tiny chance of a small reward.

By far the biggest winner out of this is Tebow - he can't lose and will be cashing in even more for years to come.

Barney92 · 24-05-2021 6:58pm

It could be a shrewd move to keep publicity away from Lawrence for as much as possible whilst he's still getting the hang of things over the summer.

eagle eye · 24-05-2021 7:12pm

adrian522 wrote:

Oh, so they are very alike now?

Did I say they weren't?

eagle eye · 24-05-2021 7:14pm

The other great thing Tebow brings is leadership and inspiration. You could see that in Denver with what the players there said about him.

cosatron · 24-05-2021 8:02pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Nfl network is reporting that Aaron Rodgers is expected to speak publicly tonight. They didn’t say where though. He hasn’t attended the packers OTAs which isn’t a big shock.

ESPN I doubt his going to say anything only some cryptic clue which leads to a whole pile nothing.

Itssoeasy · 24-05-2021 8:10pm

cosatron wrote: »

ESPN I doubt his going to say anything only some cryptic clue which leads to a whole pile nothing.

Yeah it’ll be the standard stuff of saying lots of words but actually saying nothing of any note.

Foxtrol · 24-05-2021 8:40pm

Barney92 wrote: »

It could be a shrewd move to keep publicity away from Lawrence for as much as possible whilst he's still getting the hang of things over the summer.

That idea crossed my mind when it happened but I don't buy it. If Lawrence craps the bed in camp that'll still be the story, if things are going as expected it doesn't help Lawrence to be asked constantly about Tebow.

Again, it goes against everything every top coach I've heard say.

eagle eye wrote: »

The other great thing Tebow brings is leadership and inspiration. You could see that in Denver with what the players there said about him.

When Tebow was a starting QB that made sense but now I can't see a shred of logic to this point. Why do you want an at best roster bubble level TE who has never played his position coming in and trying to grab attention and be a 'leader'? What makes it even worse is when you have a rookie QB trying to win over a locker room.

The only thing Tebow 'inspires' is how good it is to have friends in high places (like the racist conditioning coach that Meyer hired earlier in the offseason)

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