Going to try and lose 60lbs in 28 days

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:31am

Juwwi wrote: »

Best of luck OP .

With regard drinking the salt water during the day would you not consider just drinking 1 glass of salt water every morning and then just drinking normal water throughout the day , would probably be more pleasant .

You mention 500g of veg when you get hungry , that amount of veg will knock you out of Keto .

A plan of having 1 smaller meal a day of Keto friendly veg and meat would be easier to stick to ,not everyday you will be hungry so just don't eat those days .

There are dry white wines that are Keto friendly ,and Keto pizza for the odd treat at a weekend .

You would find it easier in the long run if you eased your very restricted plan a little ..

Best of luck l hope you manage it ,

You need the electrolytes through out the day as the don't stay in your system for long . An actual refeed is 400g of veg and 100g of fatty meat like salmon or Ribeye

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

mmmmmmm? so the first weigh in was yesterday at 8.57am...............I kinda thought the weigh-ins would be at more or less the same time each day and posted as such ..............no update?

I'd seriously questions going on a diet of salty water. Don't even know how that could be good for you, especially if you have other medical conditions like digestive issues, IBS etc.

***edit, just saw poster never said they would be "daily" updates - apologies**

Lol if you were sick in hospital it's exactly want they'd be giving you in your iv. The 2 most essential electrolytes for the body are sodium chloride and potassium chloride . To try this without those salts with plan water would indeed be dangerous. You could get refeeding syndrome

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:40am

JJayoo wrote: »

I like this plan.

Lose as much muscle mass as possible in 60 days so that when you balloon back up to 300pounds you will be there with less muscle and a higher bodyfat%

This simply isn't true . The risk of muscle loss when dieting is really of only of concern to those that have trained to an elite level and even if a few lbs of muscle are lost it comes back very very fast once retraining and proper eating are reintroduced. Muscle memory is a very real phenomenon

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:46am

Penn wrote: »

OP I wasn't far off where you're starting from, I was 293lb (well, I know I was 296lb at one point but when I started my diet I was 293lb). I got down to 181lb in one year through a good balanced diet and moderate exercise. Over about 9 months I went back up to about 212lb due to bad habits creeping back in and personal stresses, but now I'm eating well and doing moderate exercise again which has gotten me back down to 190lb and I aim to go even lower than before.

What you're proposing is extreme to say the least, and it's going to be incredibly tough, but just be sensible about it. Check in with your doctor when you need. There's nothing good in the diet being more harmful to your health than being overweight. But just know that extreme measures aren't the only way to achieve weightloss. Even if you drop the 60lb in 28 days, what comes after that?

Whether it starts at the end of your 28 day fast or not, you still need to look at reconfiguring your current eating habits long-term. I commend you for pushing yourself as far as possible, and I hope it works out for you, but less extreme measures can also work.

Good luck!

If you go back and reread my post about how much I'm eating at 200lbs you will see I won't be anywhere as restrictive . The plan is a reverse taper diet . The father you are the less you eat . When I'm 185lbs I'll be eating around 2700 to 3000 calories a day with 200g of protein daily

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:47am

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think thats the crux of it, people can go on these extreme diets and lose a shed load of weight but when its over the brain can trick you into taking a few days reward by eating all the bad hings you missed in excess and then you're on a slippery slope and the cycle begins all over again.

I can see why people do them though when very overweight. It feels like a good headstart on the larger task at hand. If someone has to lose 50 or 60kgs the usual way of losing 0.5 to 1kg per week knocks their motivation after a few weeks as it seems a long and impossible task.

It's won't be over. It will be phase 1. When that's over phase 2

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 10:55am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Sorry for the negative post but there's no way the OP is going to come close to this.

Not only because what he describes is madness, but also because from his posts he seems to have a bad attitude. People have been putting forward some good advice but he has been shutting everything down. He knows what's best, he has "a world of knowledge" of these things and, to be honest, i'm not sure what the point of the thread is. It could have been a blog post somewhere with the comments switched off.

Losing 60lbs in 28 days is silly. Why are you losing it? Because you want to be fitter, healthier and lighter?

If so, your goal should be to lose those 60lbs over a sustained period of time. And within that time, develop habits that will allow you to sustain your weight, your diet and your lifestyle. Everything is "Short term! short term! Short term!"

Even if you DO lose the 60lbs, it doesn't matter. You haven't developed proper habits and you will likely put it all back on.

I hope you change your habits and get healthier OP. Although this is not the way to do it!

Get over yourself . Just because I firmly believe what I'm doing is right I'm going to go with my knowledge who are you to say I don't have this right How dare you say I have a bad attitude . Ive taken everyone's comment on board and been polite with my response but I'm under no obligation to do what I'm told by anyone . Im very much entitled to follow my own opinion.

Still waters · 29-05-2020 11:08am

At least you'll be down the weight of the appendix

Dtp1979 · 29-05-2020 1:35pm

Does the body not hold on to fat in starvation mode or is that old school bro science?

Mr. CooL ICE · 29-05-2020 2:08pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Just because I firmly believe what I'm doing is right I'm going to go with my knowledge

Minime2.5, throughout this thread, you have referenced your 'knowledge' a few times. To be honest, you sound like somebody who has done little more than read a bunch of articles on the internet and are trying to apply them to yourself. To go along with that, you are refusing to listen to anybody here who has actual, real-life and real-world experience of weight loss, dieting and eating disorders.

You are free to listen to or ignore whomever you wish. But please approach this with your mind open to the fact that you could be wrong.

Dial Hard · 29-05-2020 3:09pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I have a world of knowledge when it comes to this stuff.

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I firmly believe what I'm doing is right I'm going to go with my knowledge.

With all due respect, OP, if you had as much knowledge on this subject as you seem to think, you likely wouldn't be 21.5 stone to begin with.

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 3:11pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Does the body not hold on to fat in starvation mode or is that old school bro science?

Utter and total bull****. So what's going to be left?
FAT AND BONE ?

cdeb · 29-05-2020 3:34pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

The plan is a reverse taper diet. When I'm 185lbs I'll be eating around 2700 to 3000 calories a day with 200g of protein daily

2700-3000 calories a day is a lot for someone of 13 stone btw. You'll be putting on a couple of pounds a week with that intake. 2500/day is a typical break-even amount for males, so certainly 2700-3000 isn't a "diet", as you suggest.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 29-05-2020 4:00pm

I actually had to check if I knew you, OP, as your current state of weight and attitude sounded familiar.

The person I know has the same dismissive approach to her weight, and also has done numerous drastic things to change it. They never work or are never sustained, and she fails and regains any weight lost.

You're complaining about people who reply, but unless you wanted a safe space echo chamber of support, then you shouldn't have started a topic here as numerous posters have conflicting opinions and knowledge, gained the hard way.

You can either remain steadfast in your stubbornness, or you can (as others have suggested) open your mind to knowledge and experience. And as stated, if your knowledge and application of same was flawless, you'd not be in the state you're in.

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 4:02pm

cdeb wrote: »

2700-3000 calories a day is a lot for someone of 13 stone btw. You'll be putting on a couple of pounds a week with that intake. 2500/day is a typical break-even amount for males, so certainly 2700-3000 isn't a "diet", as you suggest.

"2500/day is a typical break even amount for males.Are you serious? ALL males? So your not taking into accounts height or exercise volume. That calorie level will be for me at 6ft tall 32 inch waist which i calculate will be 10%. Ill also be exercising with weights 5 days a week for at least 1 hour and doing 10k steps daily.lDo you see how where fitness is concerned everyone is an expert and agrue over the most minute details

cdeb · 29-05-2020 4:06pm

Do you know what the word "typical" means?

It means "not all"

But ultimately, you are actually fairly typical - 6ft male (typical), 32" waist (irrelevant as far as I can see) and 10k steps daily (typical), so I don't see why 2500 calories/day wouldn't apply to you, give or take.

Also, 3000 calories is also a lot. Why not reduce it to 2200/day? It would probably be healthier for you in and of itself.

BTW, calorie intake isn't "the most minute" of details. It's fairly key stuff.

spurious · 29-05-2020 4:08pm

Wondering why they risked an operation since you are so big for the appendix rather than treating it with antibiotics as they did in my case (and I wasn't as large as you).
Did you have keyhole surgery?

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 4:19pm

spurious wrote: »

Wondering why they risked an operation since you are so big for the appendix rather than treating it with antibiotics as they did in my case (and I wasn't as large as you).
Did you have keyhole surgery?

Because it burst and yes keyhole

Dtp1979 · 29-05-2020 4:20pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Utter and total bull****. So what's going to be left?
FAT AND BONE ?

Easy cranky pants, I was only asking a question, seeing as your such an expert

spurious · 29-05-2020 4:25pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Because it burst and yes keyhole

Yikes. Mine burst too, but I was lucky it happened slowly (spluttered rather than popped) and they just pumped me full of antibiotics.

Will the surgery impact much on your experiment or will you go ahead?

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 4:26pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Easy cranky pants, I was only asking a question, seeing as your such an expert

I think given my current situation I can be given a little leeway for being cranky

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 4:27pm

spurious wrote: »

Yikes. Mine burst too, but I was lucky it happened slowly (spluttered rather than popped) and they just pumped me full of antibiotics.

Will the surgery impact much on your experiment or will you go ahead?

I'm going to have to stop . Its important to get the bowels working after surgery

Alf Veedersane · 29-05-2020 4:30pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

"2500/day is a typical break even amount for males.Are you serious? ALL males? So your not taking into accounts height or exercise volume. That calorie level will be for me at 6ft tall 32 inch waist which i calculate will be 10%. Ill also be exercising with weights 5 days a week for at least 1 hour and doing 10k steps daily.lDo you see how where fitness is concerned everyone is an expert and agrue over the most minute details

I'm 6ft with a 32" waist, do 10k steps and train at least as much as you're suggesting and 2700-3000 would definitely be more than I'd eat on an average day and I'm 184-186 lbs.

Anyway, it's sort of moot for the time being.

cdeb · 29-05-2020 4:32pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I think given my current situation I can be given a little leeway for being cranky

No, I would respectfully suggest that there's no excuse for treating someone who's offering helpful advice in that manner tbh.

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 4:35pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'm 6ft with a 32" waist, do 10k steps and train at least as much as you're suggesting and 2700-3000 would definitely be more than I'd eat on an average day and I'm 184-186 lbs.

Anyway, it's sort of moot for the time being.

Are you trying to maintain or gain muscle slightly

Alf Veedersane · 29-05-2020 4:43pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Are you trying to maintain or gain muscle slightly

I wouldn't be going beyond 2700 at most if I was looking to add muscle.

But like I said, we're in running before you can walk territory.

shaveAbullock · 29-05-2020 4:45pm

Fun fact, the pound is now practically a metric measurement as it is defined as a decimal of 1 KG
An inch is the same with it's exact measure defined in millimetres.

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 5:05pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I wouldn't be going beyond 2700 at most if I was looking to add muscle.

But like I said, we're in running before you can walk territory.

We aren't talking about an awful alot of extra calories. As long as you keep an eye on your waist and cut back once it starts to creep past 32.5

Alf Veedersane · 29-05-2020 5:10pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

We aren't talking about an awful alot of extra calories. As long as you keep an eye on your waist and cut back once it starts to creep past 32.5

I've been within 1kg of my current weight for a few years now. I know how it responds. Thst includes a few competition training cycles where I may have a lot of volume and have to eat accordingly

Minime2.5 · 29-05-2020 5:14pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I've been within 1kg of my current weight for a few years now. I know how it responds. Thst includes a few competition training cycles where I may have a lot of volume and have to eat accordingly

I'd be interested in seeing your weights routine

Alf Veedersane · 29-05-2020 5:17pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing your weights routine

My training is in this sub-forum.

That said, my training goals are quite different to yours right now.

MrStuffins · 29-05-2020 8:20pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I'd be interested in seeing your weights routine

Honest question OP. What is the point of this thread?

Are you looking for input from others?

Or are you looking to do your thing with absolutely no input from others?

Because it seems you want to do the latter, but a discussion forum is the exact place where you shouldn't do that.

30-05-2020 7:53am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I think given my current situation I can be given a little leeway for being cranky

You've been given 4 pages of leeway.

2nd Row Donkey · 30-05-2020 8:31am

Whatever way this turns out, one way or another there's gonna be a whole lot of "I to you soâ€œs.

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 9:11am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Honest question OP. What is the point of this thread?

Are you looking for input from others?

Or are you looking to do your thing with absolutely no input from others?

Because it seems you want to do the latter, but a discussion forum is the exact place where you shouldn't do that.

This is a fitness log primarily where I was going to document what I was intending to do . I was open to a discussion but I am in no way obliged to put those recommendations into action . If I don't agree with you I don't agree with you your just going to have to deal with it. Its simple logic really . If you or anyone else starts a fitness log they will have the same rights and privlenges

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 9:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

You've been given 4 pages of leeway.

What the hell is that supposed to mean.?Its my thread I stood up for what I believe . And I'm entitled to my opinion What would the alternative be according to your logic ?

Dtp1979 · 30-05-2020 9:17am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

This is a fitness log primarily where I was going to document what I was intending to do . I was open to a discussion but I am in no way obliged to put those recommendations into action . If I don't agree with you I don't agree with you your just going to have to deal with it. Its simple logic really . If you or anyone else starts a fitness log they will have the same rights and privlenges

I don’t think starving yourself for a month can be seen as any type of fitness regime

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 9:24am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I don’t think starving yourself for a month can be seen as any type of fitness regime

Your ignorant to the science that I know . A 300lb person has massive nutrient reserve on there own body . But your not going to agree so why keep arguing. By the way the process of starvation MUSCLE WASTING can only happen bodyfat is very very low. Some people around here live such a comfortable life that the idea of skipping breakfast is torture

padser · 30-05-2020 9:29am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I don’t think starving yourself for a month can be seen as any type of fitness regime

Why?

It's not the route you would choose I assume. But it certainly is a viable way to lose weight which (I think) puts it in the category of a fitness regime.

You may question whether it's the most effective way, whether the OP will manage to stick to it, whether its healthy and whether if he does stick to it whether he will sustain the weight loss.

But, regardless of whether you agree with it, I dont see how you can question whether it's a fitness regime

Alf Veedersane · 30-05-2020 9:32am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Some people around here live such a comfortable life that the idea of skipping breakfast is torture

To be fair, you haven't actually followed through on it, given the medical reason, so you're not in a position to make comments about why other people wouldn't do it.

blackbox · 30-05-2020 9:36am

Don't mind people who say you shouldn't have this thread.
I'm interested to hear how you get on with your plan (without telling you you should be doing something different).
Good luck and get well soon.

Snotty · 30-05-2020 9:37am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

. Some people around here live such a comfortable life that the idea of skipping breakfast is torture

Dude, you're 300 pounds and your attitude stinks

Heres Johnny · 30-05-2020 9:50am

Knew one guy in work that would do these crazy diets, basically starving himself to lose weight. Want as heavy as you, maybe 16 stone but wasn't a big guy, small shoulders etc wouldn't have much muscle so plenty overweight. Anyway, he'd persist for 3 or 4 days at a time until he broke and went back to his bad diet of crisps and coke and other rubbish. But his work was suffering too, he was tired all the time and even fell off a ladder once because of dizziness.

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 9:53am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

To be fair, you haven't actually followed through on it, given the medical reason, so you're not in a position to make comments about why other people wouldn't do it.

Lol since when is skipping breakfast the same as what I was planning ? There's a world of a difference . I've done omad many times and did a 5 day fast before aswell

Pkiernan · 30-05-2020 9:56am

It's nearly a week.
How much are you down?

Fluffy101 · 30-05-2020 9:56am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Your ignorant to the science that I know . A 300lb person has massive nutrient reserve on there own body . But your not going to agree so why keep arguing. By the way the process of starvation MUSCLE WASTING can only happen bodyfat is very very low. Some people around here live such a comfortable life that the idea of skipping breakfast is torture

Can you explain this bit, fat isn't a nutrient reserve... its an energy reserve, completely different.

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 10:06am

Fluffy101 wrote: »

Can you explain this bit, fat isn't a nutrient reserve... its an energy reserve, completely different.

Bodyfat contains all the fat soluble nutrients . Obviously it's primarily a macro nutrient but it does contain micro nutrients as well. The whole point of it as an emergency energy resource would be redundant otherwise

Minime2.5 · 30-05-2020 10:07am

Pkiernan wrote: »

It's nearly a week.
How much are you down?

You'll need to read the bits you missed to know the current situation

Pkiernan · 30-05-2020 10:09am

Minime2.5 wrote: »

You'll need to read the bits you missed to know the current situation

I was wondering how you were getting on.

Is this thread just a joke? It should be moved to Afterhours so.

listermint · 30-05-2020 10:10am

This thread is a whole load of inaction and argument for the sake of it

The gas thing is the OP is talking about muscle mass and retention when it's blatantly obvious the base position doesn't even warrant that conversation yet.

I'm no expert in fitness nor nutrition its way beyond by skillset. But due to careful reading and trial and error over the years I know my way around what works and what clearly does not.

And fasting yourself for a month doesn't. It's random it has no longevity . In a nutshell it's pointless.

And the talk about muscle.... Will ya pull the other one. Excuse the pun.

30-05-2020 10:12am

I assume first week you'll lose a lot of water weight, make sure you get your vitamins and you should 100% have consulted your doctor and gotten bloods before this.

Going to try and lose 60lbs in 28 days

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