Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Glico Man · 22-01-2021 7:53pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I can see button wanting to help out Williams as it’s a great, British racing brand. I just wonder how much use it will realistically be to them.

I've noticed that Russell has a very smooth driving style behind the wheel, not too dissimilar to Button. Perhaps he will benefit most, particularly with advice on setups.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-01-2021 5:23pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Will they give him a practice outing at Hungary like his daddy did at Minardi in 2005?

He’s getting one of the three pre-season testing days. So Russell and Latifi and Nissani are each farting one day.

Strange approach.

This comes from to latest Autosport podcast.

pjohnson · 23-01-2021 8:27pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He’s getting one of the three pre-season testing days. So Russell and Latifi and Nissani are each farting one day.

Strange approach.

This comes from to latest Autosport podcast.

Christ is that what they'll be testing?

elperello · 23-01-2021 8:46pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They can use all the help they can get. I wonder what expertise he could really bring?

mickdw wrote: »

Bit of experience for the drivers to bounce off but id say mostly a big name for marketing purposes.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I can see button wanting to help out Williams as it’s a great, British racing brand. I just wonder how much use it will realistically be to them.

Over 300 GPs of experience.

It's easy to dismiss the cheery chappy TV personality JB has today but behind that is a solid career in F1.

I'll be surprised if Williams can't profit from this collaboration.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-01-2021 9:35pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Christ is that what they'll be testing?

Autocorrect shafted me again.

Let’s assume they’ll fart in their own time and each take a day of testing.

pjohnson · 23-01-2021 9:46pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Autocorrect shafted me again.

Let’s assume they’ll fart in their own time and each take a day of testing.

Or is the Williams version of DAS. Methane power on top the DRS :pac:

El_Duderino 09 · 23-01-2021 11:10pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Or is the Williams version of DAS. Methane power on top the DRS :pac:

Williams could use all the advantages they can get.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2021 9:47am

Joe Saward made a bold prediction in the latest Missed Apex podcast. He reckons there’s a good chance that Cyril Abiteboul left the Renault family because he got a better offer - An offer to potentially head up a new F1 team.

The recent merger of Peugeot and Fiat created the fourth biggest car company in the world. They might have been the people who asked to have a serious look at Alfa’s books last year.

It’s a long shot and a very bold prediction. But worth keeping an eye on.

AMKC · 24-01-2021 6:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Joe Saward made a bold prediction in the latest Missed Apex podcast. He reckons there’s a good chance that Cyril Abiteboul left the Renault family because he got a better offer - An offer to potentially head up a new F1 team.

The recent merger of Peugeot and Fiat created the fourth biggest car company in the world. They might have been the people who asked to have a serious look at Alfa’s books last year.

It’s a long shot and a very bold prediction. But worth keeping an eye on.

I seen someone else on another website say they think that the new merger will pull the plug on the Alfa Formula 1 team. I hope they are wrong of course. What if Sauber were to come back and Alfa Romeo were to become more than just a sponsor on the Sauber team? That would be good.

El_Duderino 09 · 24-01-2021 7:37pm

AMKC wrote: »

I seen someone else on another website say they think that the new merger will pull the plug on the Alfa Formula 1 team. I hope they are wrong of course. What if Sauber were to come back and Alfa Romeo were to become more than just a sponsor on the Sauber team? That would be good.

I don’t know if that would be good. Privateer teams are being priced out of the market. The Sauber name for the sake of the name is worth as much as the Alfa Romeo name- and we know how that’s going. Unless they have a huge backer like the Stroll consortium or a car manufacturer, it’s just not likely to work out well.

Jordan 199 · 24-01-2021 8:12pm

I think four teams (Alpine, Aston Martin, Ferrari, McLaren) will battle for third in the constructors championship this year. Does anyone agree?

klose · 24-01-2021 8:42pm

You'd have to fancy mclaren off the back of last season with a merc engine and Danny ric driving too.

flazio · 24-01-2021 8:42pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I think four teams (Alpine, Aston Martin, Ferrari, McLaren) will battle for third in the constructors championship this year. Does anyone agree?

Basically, the same 4 as last year except with 2 name changes.

klose · 24-01-2021 8:45pm

flazio wrote: »

Basically, the same 4 as last year except with 2 name changes.

I think everyone is eagerly waiting to see how vettel gets on at Aston Martin this season.

Dont be at yourself · 24-01-2021 9:31pm

Alpha Tauri could be in the mix if Honda’s new engine is a step up.

quokula · 25-01-2021 3:03am

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Alpha Tauri could be in the mix if Honda’s new engine is a step up.

Hard to see that happening with Honda leaving F1 at the end of the year. I know they said it won't effect their development program but realistically even if they haven't officially pulled any funding, talented staff will have started finding ways to move their focus to other projects internally or externally that have a future.

Jordan 199 · 26-01-2021 5:08am

Does anyone think Sainz will beat Leclerc this year?

flazio · 26-01-2021 6:48am

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Does anyone think Sainz will beat Leclerc this year?

I reckon he'll run LeClerc a lot closer then people expect him to but ultimately, this year particularly, the team is built around LeClerc and not the new guy.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-01-2021 8:35am

flazio wrote: »

I reckon he'll run LeClerc a lot closer then people expect him to but ultimately, this year particularly, the team is built around LeClerc and not the new guy.

It highlights how special LeClerc’s 2018 season was. He beat Vettel in a Ferrari team built around him.

Bigus · 26-01-2021 8:47am

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Does anyone think Sainz will beat Leclerc this year?

I don’t think it’s about beating LeClerc, Sainz, is a classy , intelligent, hard working guy who will pull the whole Ferrari team and image up to a higher rung, and inspire the whole organisation .

As a landed gentry friend of mine used to say

“we’re not dealing with muck here”

he’s pure class in the old moneyed gentleman sense, yet fierce hard working, which seems a bit lacking elsewhere.

eviltimeban · 26-01-2021 10:55am

Bigus wrote: »

I don’t think it’s about beating LeClerc, Sainz, is a classy , intelligent, hard working guy who will pull the whole Ferrari team and image up to a higher rung, and inspire the whole organisation .

As a landed gentry friend of mine used to say

“we’re not dealing with muck here”

he’s pure class in the old moneyed gentleman sense, yet fierce hard working, which seems a bit lacking elsewhere.

And he's popular too. He could build a bit of a fanbase, expand on the Spanish interest that Alonso spurred. Could put a bit of pressure on LeClerc, especially considering how vicious the Italian media can be.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-01-2021 11:24am

I really wonder how Ferrari will do. I think expectations are so low that they could exceed expectations relatively easily. But last year's car was occasionally very good, particularly in qualifying. LeClerc qualified in the top 10 regularly and even as high as 4th. Vettel was all at sea most of the time but the speed was there in the car at times. People often say something to the effect of: that driver is getting more speed out of than car than the car has. Last year people suggested LeClerc outperformed the car. Well, he didn't. It's just something people say as a way to praise the driver or relieve pressure on their underperforming teammate.

Ferrari is getting a new engine this year and they will have two competitive drivers so that is bound to help. And hopefully they can iron out some of the aspects that made the car hard to manage. They could be right in the mix for third in the constructor's alongside Mclaren, Alpine, Aston Martin.

Frank Bullitt · 27-01-2021 6:22pm

Frank Bullitt · 27-01-2021 7:47pm

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

Top Dog · 27-01-2021 8:05pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

Maybe he was driving without his helmet and it just blew off? :pac:

recyclebin · 27-01-2021 8:42pm

I'm sure he had a lot more hair a month ago!! He's almost unrecognisable.

recyclebin · 27-01-2021 8:43pm

Did the Ferrari always have mirrors mounted on the halo? Don't think I noticed it before.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 8:51pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

I thought that was an engineer until you pointed out it’s Seb!

27-01-2021 8:52pm

Almost certain they did at some point before.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-to-ban-ferraris-halo-mounted-mirror-layout.11yuNfgIZawqoMQaUM0mqS.html

El_Duderino 09 · 27-01-2021 8:55pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Did the Ferrari always have mirrors mounted on the halo? Don't think I noticed it before.

I think so. And I think they were almost completely aerodynamic aids and useless as mirrors so they were banned. But I think that was the design.

Which year are those cars are from? 2017?

Edit: it’s the 2018 car with halo mounted wings.

FIA explains why Ferrari’s Halo mirrors will be banned

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/14/fia-explains-why-ferraris-halo-mirrors-will-be-banned/

Frank Bullitt · 27-01-2021 10:33pm

recyclebin wrote: »

Did the Ferrari always have mirrors mounted on the halo? Don't think I noticed it before.

It did, but they were banned soon after.

AMKC · 27-01-2021 10:49pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

Must be to save on weight and he is just shaving it now to get used to it and so people get used to him lol.

Anjobe · 27-01-2021 11:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Almost certain they did at some point before.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-to-ban-ferraris-halo-mounted-mirror-layout.11yuNfgIZawqoMQaUM0mqS.html

Maybe it is the 2018 car Sainz is driving there. The sidepods look the same too.

eviltimeban · 27-01-2021 11:30pm

AMKC wrote: »

Must be to save on weight and he is just shaving it now to get used to it and so people get used to him lol.

It must've been one hell of a last year at Ferrari.

Debub · 28-01-2021 11:05am

Season 3 will be there (apologies if already posted earlier)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRf8Wm6SWSc

donspeekinglesh · 28-01-2021 11:17am

Adrian Campos has died: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/154779/exf1-driver-and-team-boss-adrian-campos-dies

pjohnson · 28-01-2021 11:18am

Christ Seb :pac:

ELM327 · 28-01-2021 11:24am

AMKC wrote: »

Must be to save on weight and he is just shaving it now to get used to it and so people get used to him lol.

Its quite a look for him, shows the impact of his ferrari years!

racersedge · 28-01-2021 12:06pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

Well, Seb was known for immersing himself in the culture at Ferrari, learning Italian etc. Clearly, driving for Aston Martin, he thought it would best to be properly British by taking on the guise of Prince William!!

Infoanon · 28-01-2021 12:08pm

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Adrian Campos has died: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/154779/exf1-driver-and-team-boss-adrian-campos-dies

Sad news - while his F1 efforts where more to do with his financial backers he was a very successful team owner and manager. A young man at 60 in today's terms - Adrian RIP

Jordan 199 · 28-01-2021 12:46pm

McLaren launch on the 15th of February at 7PM. Will be broadcast live on Sky Sports F1.

Frank Bullitt · 28-01-2021 4:57pm

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Adrian Campos has died: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/154779/exf1-driver-and-team-boss-adrian-campos-dies

Really sad news this, he helped a lot of drivers through the years. RIP.

Jordan 199 · 29-01-2021 7:09pm

Mick Schumacher behind the wheel of a Ferrari at Fiorano:

Mick-Schumcher-Ferrari-Test-Fiorano-Test-2021-169Gallery-f4d593bd-1761487.jpg

flazio · 30-01-2021 10:03am

Going for his uncle's primary helmet design I see.

robinwing · 30-01-2021 7:38pm

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1354498694914179072

Vettel getting very aerodynamic like myself.

Well it worked for Stirling Moss . Vettel only getting his pension fund filled from now on . A spent force

flazio · 30-01-2021 8:36pm

robinwing wrote: »

Well it worked for Stirling Moss . Vettel only getting his pension fund filled from now on . A spent force

As a Championship contender, definitely. However I reckon he still has at least one more race win in him.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-01-2021 8:52pm

flazio wrote: »

As a Championship contender, definitely. However I reckon he still has at least one more race win in him.

Ah yeah but under the right set of circumstances, they all have a win in them. Gasley and Perez won last year through massive luck. Gasley drove a very good season and that would be true whether he won a race or not.

They both won the race and that’s on their record, but it a pretty misleading stat and doesn’t actually tell you anything about them that you wouldn’t learn from looking at their form from the season.

robinwing · 31-01-2021 12:35am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah yeah but under the right set of circumstances, they all have a win in them. Gasley and Perez won last year through massive luck. Gasley drove a very good season and that would be true whether he won a race or not.

They both won the race and that’s on their record, but it a pretty misleading stat and doesn’t actually tell you anything about them that you wouldn’t learn from looking at their form from the season.

It tells you that they can handle pressure and do not choke , it tells you they are winners and capable of doing it again given favorable circumstances but probably need some luck also. Hopefully the Mercs will suffer by the compulsory aerodynamic reduction calculation in 2021 and wont be all dominant. Most people are sick of watching them walk away from the field. Russell would be a very cheap replacement for Bothas . That would shake things up a bit. But sadly none of that will happen in all honesty

Jordan 199 · 01-02-2021 4:54am

So have any of you been or are watching anything F1 related during the off-season? I watched the '87 and '89 season reviews so far on YouTube.

ELM327 · 01-02-2021 10:15am

Jordan 199 wrote: »

So have any of you been or are watching anything F1 related during the off-season? I watched the '87 and '89 season reviews so far on YouTube.

I watch a few f12020 youtubers and whenever I see an interesting full race on youtube I watch it.

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