Clothes are no longer essential

ExMachina1000 · 30-10-2020 2:31pm

Unless you threw all of your clothes out before level 5 you should be ok.
Also the option of buying online.

People giving out for the sake of it. Extremely weak

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 2:31pm

ablelocks wrote: »

ah here.

in August, 14.5% of all confirmed cases were within the school age range. in september, that went to 14.9% and in October it rose to 15.6%

- source : Doctor Abigail Higgins, Consultant in Public Health Medicine, HSE

reopening schools has had a negligible impact on the recent huge increases in numbers.

Please stop coming on here with your facts and scientifically accurate data ; )

freshpopcorn · 30-10-2020 2:33pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

If it comes in the wrong size why would you have tow air for a refund? They should just send you on the right size

If I order a size 8 - 10 coat online now.
It may arrive to Tomorrow morning it may arrive next week.
If it doesn’t fit my kid.
I may have to pay to send it back and then wait for them to receive it and process a refund.
Anything I’ve bought anything with a card and needed a refund it took a few days.

Bannasidhe · 30-10-2020 2:33pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

If it comes in the wrong size why would you have tow air for a refund? They should just send you on the right size

Because sizes aren't standardised.
https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/vanity-sizing-unmasked-why-clothing-sizes-from-different-retailers-are-so-inconsistent-20190814

Many years ago I took my son to buy him footwear, we left the shop with size 12 trainers and size ten boots - both fit him perfectly.

Allinall · 30-10-2020 2:36pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know what they have available if you don't have the internet?

Phone them up and ask them.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you collect if you don't have transport?

This problem has nothing to do with Covid restrictions.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you pay if you don't have a card?

Ask a relative or friend to pay for you.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What do you do if you live in the back of beyond with no internet, transport, or cards?
Such people do exist.

This problem has nothing to do with Covid restrictions.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Why are watering cans essential in winter but scarves aren't?

Nobody has said this.

freshpopcorn · 30-10-2020 2:37pm

munstergirl wrote: »

https://www.dunnesstores.com/c/kids

https://www.dunnesstores.com/content/phone-in-service

Click & collect from Dunnes. You can also phone & collect if you don"t have the internet.

The phone and collect link you shared with me appears to be for groceries or does it do clothes as well?
Also it say they take payment over the phone.
Do they allow you to pay in cash when you arrive in store for clothes?

At the moment I’m in the position where I can afford to wait for refunds and buy the next size up if I have to but not everybody is that lucky.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 2:39pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Nope. I just think that if clothes are not considered essential then alcohol should also be considered non essential. Simple as that.

And what about those alcoholics who start having seizures, clogging up hospital beds when they can't get a drink??

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 2:40pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know what they have available if you don't have the internet?
How do you collect if you don't have transport?
How do you pay if you don't have a card?
What do you do if you live in the back of beyond with no internet, transport, or cards?
Such people do exist.

Why are watering cans essential in winter but scarves aren't?

If you had no transport how did you survive pre-covid?

munstergirl · 30-10-2020 2:40pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know what they have available if you don't have the internet? Telephone and ask.

How do you collect if you don't have transport?
How do they food shop, ask friend, neighbour

How do you pay if you don't have a card? Cash

What do you do if you live in the back of beyond with no internet, transport, or cards? Telephone, friend or neighbour

Such people do exist.

Why are watering cans essential in winter but scarves aren't?

let's ban watering cans too.

People need to look out for each other.

I have an elderly uncle who is living alone in the back of beyond and has plenty of people offering to help, he uses the telephone too, he is managing perfectly fine.

The people whinging probably have a house full of non essential stuff, they just want new stuff now. Greed.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 2:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Every hospital has a supply of nightwear for such occasions.

That doesn't suit the rant though.

One eyed Jack · 30-10-2020 2:44pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Unless you threw all of your clothes out before level 5 you should be ok.
Also the option of buying online.

People giving out for the sake of it. Extremely weak

There’s a fair amount of that alright, but there are some legitimate circumstances too like the examples that have already been given in the thread where a bit of flexibility and compassion wouldn’t go astray.

It’s silly to be arguing as though anyone has actually said clothes are not essential and imagine they have the right to go out in public in their undercrackers, that’s not what’s being suggested at all. It’s new clothes, are not considered essential, which is fair enough for the reasons already given - to prevent the spread of infection among the general public. Bit of flexibility and understanding on both sides is required.

As for the need for new clothes itself, I’ve put on about three stone in the last couple of months, so I needed a new “Winter wardrobe” anyway, and I don’t order my clothes online because I just can’t get my head around the whole online shopping thing. I’m just very fortunate that I was able to get clothes before they announced the new measures, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people complaining that the new measures have left them in a bit of a tight spot.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 2:45pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I think if watering cans and wine are essential than so are basic items of clothing like underwear, PJs, children's clothes.

How many people do you think are unexpectedly being admitted to hospitals at the moment?
Do you think everyone admitted during a pandemic has the necessary items to clothing - plus a change - to hand?

If your reason for visiting hospital is serious, clothes aren't a priority.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 2:48pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I didn't ignore it - I am just not going down the rabbit hole of your choosing by getting into some x amount of people will suffer violent withdrawal symptoms if they cannot consume item b therefore there should be no further restrictions on the sale of item b however items d,e, & f which are essential for the majority of the population must not be currently sold for public health reasons tangent.

What is your argument for watering cans? You have ignored that.

And no, 'click and collect' is not an option for everyone.

People grow their own food in allotments/polytunnels. Watering cans are essential to water the fruit and veg that is being grown.

Eggs For Dinner · 30-10-2020 2:49pm

The vast majority of people have a selection of clothes already. Shopping for new clothes is non-essential. God forbid you have to wear last season's autumn stuff that everybody has seen already

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 2:52pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Because sizes aren't standardised.
https://www.news24.com/w24/Style/Fashion/Trends/vanity-sizing-unmasked-why-clothing-sizes-from-different-retailers-are-so-inconsistent-20190814

Many years ago I took my son to buy him footwear, we left the shop with size 12 trainers and size ten boots - both fit him perfectly.

That happens all the time with kids footwear. Every brand is different, too. The difficulty is that you only know the proper size of your child, if the child tries on the actual shoe.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 2:53pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I hope those who just say order online don’t find themselves in a position in a few years where you’re relying on social welfare and can’t buy clothes months in advance and you’ve planned to buy a coat for your kid at the start of November with your Children’s allowance money to be told the shops are closed.
You the order online and it comes in the wrong size. You then have to send to back and wait for the money to be refunded to be able to afford another one.

Sure just buy a size too big and they'll grow into it. Thats how people like me have the big bucks and aren't on the welfare.

boardise · 30-10-2020 2:54pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I sense the need for a naked socially distanced flash mob to descend on a large supermarket to purchase Jaffa Cakes.

Or even a flesh mob....

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 2:57pm

munstergirl wrote: »

The people whinging probably have a house full of non essential stuff, they just want new stuff now. Greed.

These are bold assumptions.
We have a lot of « hand -me- downs « in our house, but there are situations were you have to rely on certain shops to get some essential NEW stuff.
We are NOT shopaholics! Nor are we « greedy « !

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:00pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

People grow their own food in allotments/polytunnels. Watering cans are essential to water the fruit and veg that is being grown.

Ya cause there is just no other way water can be got to those carrots

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 3:00pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

These are bold assumptions.
We have a lot of « hand -me- downs « in our house, but there are situations were you have to rely on certain shops to get some essential NEW stuff.
We are NOT shopaholics! Nor are we « greedy « !

It's for six weeks, you'd swear clothing stores had been banned.

weldoninhio · 30-10-2020 3:01pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ya cause there is just no other way water can be got to those carrots

A question was asked, I answered the question. Gardening stuff is essential for those that grow their own. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't matter.

freshpopcorn · 30-10-2020 3:03pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

A question was asked, I answered the question. Gardening stuff is essential for those that grow their own. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't matter.

I was told gardening centers were closed tough because they weren’t essential.

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:03pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If I order a size 8 - 10 coat online now.
It may arrive to Tomorrow morning it may arrive next week.
If it doesn’t fit my kid.
I may have to pay to send it back and then wait for them to receive it and process a refund.
Anything I’ve bought anything with a card and needed a refund it took a few days.

Sorry you meant they sent the right size but it didn't fit. I thought you meant they sent a jacket not the size you ordered

freshpopcorn · 30-10-2020 3:05pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Sorry you meant they sent the right size but it didn't fit. I thought you meant they sent a jacket not the size you ordered

Alright.
You’d still have the same hassle tough.
You might get your postage refunded but you’d be waiting around for the refund.

One eyed Jack · 30-10-2020 3:05pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

A question was asked, I answered the question. Gardening stuff is essential for those that grow their own. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't matter.

You’d have a point if there was no alternative other than growing your own food. If that was the case then I could see how gardening equipment might be considered essential, but because alternatives to growing your own food exist, gardening equipment isn’t essential.

bladespin · 30-10-2020 3:08pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I was told gardening centers were closed tough because they weren’t essential.

Growing is essential, check out agri suppliers, they should have whatever you need, just because there's an alternative doesn't mean it's not essential.

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 3:16pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sure just buy a size too big and they'll grow into it. Thats how people like me have the big bucks and aren't on the welfare.

It might surprise you, but with some clothes, a « size too big », is still too small... especially items that are made in Asia.
So, maybe the OP should buy two or even three sizes up from the get-go?
Sure, why doesn’t every parent do this in the first place, I wonder? According to you, that prevents parents from ever relying on SW payment. Oh, how simple life could be!
Why didn’t that idea ever catch on, I wonder?
Perhaps due to the fact, that having to wear 2 sizes larger, might be rather uncomfortable for the child and the quality of affordable clothes these days prevents any longterm wear? But that’s just a guess, of course.

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:17pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Alright.
You’d still have the same hassle tough.
You might get your postage refunded but you’d be waiting around for the refund.

Not in my experience. If it's their mistake there is no refund needed

titan18 · 30-10-2020 3:19pm

screamer wrote: »

Kids more so as they grow so fast, last years stuff is either donated or doesn’t fit. Think outside the box, there are people who don’t hoard clothing. Also for emergencies like hospital admissions as already in this thread, there is a need for certain items. I’m not saying Christmas party dresses are essential but warm clothing and footwear, underwear, PJs are essential and should be allowed to be sold in the shops. I don’t know what is so hard to undeterstand about that

I don't understand how the clothes that were fine 2 weeks ago now don't fit for 99.99999% of the population. Sure you'll have extreme exceptions but feck it everything is nearly essential if we start taking extreme cases into account and going well that person clearly needs this now.

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:20pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

A question was asked, I answered the question. Gardening stuff is essential for those that grow their own. You may not like the answer, but that doesn't matter.

I actually don't care if people can buy a watering can and I'm not going to begrudge them one. But it's not essential really unless you are really too useless to punch some holes in a plastic bottle

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 3:22pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's for six weeks, you'd swear clothing stores had been banned.

They have! Until the end of November! Which brings us into the winter months.
My DS needs fitting winter boots now - especially in this weather and in the countryside. If you ever tried walking through ankle-deep mud in runners for a month, you can get back to me.

Antares35 · 30-10-2020 3:23pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know what they have available if you don't have the internet?
How do you collect if you don't have transport?
How do you pay if you don't have a card?
What do you do if you live in the back of beyond with no internet, transport, or cards?
Such people do exist.

Why are watering cans essential in winter but scarves aren't?

One would have to be very unfortunate and most exceptional to tick all those boxes, and in any event I doubt such people were the numpties beating the shíte out of each other with chicken drumsticks over F&F knickers in Tesco Finglas during the last lockdown

ablelocks · 30-10-2020 3:26pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

They have! Until the end of November! Which brings us into the winter months.
My DS needs fitting winter boots now - especially in this weather and in the countryside. If you ever tried walking through ankle-deep mud in runners for a month, you can get back to me.

I'm confused - why would you need winter boots for a car? don't you mean winter tyres? tyre shops are open aren't they?

daheff · 30-10-2020 3:29pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

They have! Until the end of November! Which brings us into the winter months.
My DS needs fitting winter boots now - especially in this weather and in the countryside. If you ever tried walking through ankle-deep mud in runners for a month, you can get back to me.

And you only thought about this issue now?? Or did you not think to plan ahead and be prepared?

If you were only looking to buy now (in a normal year) you would find it difficult to get boots anyways as they are usually in short supply by now.

Clothes are not essential in the short term...a longer lockdown maybe....but even still they can be bought online. You don't need to go in store.

Graces7 · 30-10-2020 3:29pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Really. Then why did I have to click and collect a pair of PJs? The same PJ's that were put on her the next day after the staff cut off her stained top? A top that she wore as the tea dried into it?

Yes, a woman who we were warned by the consultant was unlikely to survive was there in the bed in a tea stained top for 24 hours but "every hospital has a supply of nightwear for these occasions"? Why was it that during the half hour compassionate visit the question was asked "why is my Mother wearing a dirty top"?
Why did the changing have to wait until the next day when during that half hour visit the question was asked "why is my Mother still wearing a dirty top?"

I defy anyone to tell me that sitting in your car in a carpark, having been told your Mother is dying, and frantically trying to guess the size of a pair of PJs plus find the nearest place to click and collect in hope that she doesn't die in a stained top before you can collect them and get back is not urgent or essential but being able to pop across the road and buy a bottle of wine, a watering can, and a 2x4 is.

Plus - and this may come as a surprise to posters here - not everyone had the wherewithal to order on line and click and collect.
There are people without access to the internet.
People without 'cards'.
Most of these people are elderly.

Please may I offer a solution against any future emergencies? I am late 70s and have had rushed hospital admissions. Not time to grab anything. So in the past I have kept a small bad packed. Nightdress ( I don't wear PJs), toiletries, anything I might need etc. or want if I had to go in urgently. As I had been doing very well, I had not thought living here to sort that. Hence the oldest shabbiest nightie on and nothing with me.
Needless to say a small bag is now easy to hand to save my dignity! The gown was needed as I too had drips in both arms.
One less thing to worry about when emergency strikes.

Antares35 · 30-10-2020 3:31pm

titan18 wrote: »

I don't understand how the clothes that were fine 2 weeks ago now don't fit for 99.99999% of the population. Sure you'll have extreme exceptions but feck it everything is nearly essential if we start taking extreme cases into account and going well that person clearly needs this now.

Must be some new variant of covid making everyone outgrow their shoes overnight and without warning.

Antares35 · 30-10-2020 3:31pm

spook_cook wrote: »

I hope you're limiting your grocery shopping to essential only. No sauces, no condiments, no drink of any sort (water out of the tap not good enough for you?).

People don't try on condiments.

bladespin · 30-10-2020 3:32pm

spook_cook wrote: »

I hope you're limiting your grocery shopping to essential only. No sauces, no condiments, no drink of any sort (water out of the tap not good enough for you?).

No crisps or sweets either, gotta follow those HSE laws (guidelines)

Graces7 · 30-10-2020 3:32pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

They have! Until the end of November! Which brings us into the winter months.
My DS needs fitting winter boots now - especially in this weather and in the countryside. If you ever tried walking through ankle-deep mud in runners for a month, you can get back to me.

If hardware/ garden centres are still open wellies are grand.

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:33pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

They have! Until the end of November! Which brings us into the winter months.
My DS needs fitting winter boots now - especially in this weather and in the countryside. If you ever tried walking through ankle-deep mud in runners for a month, you can get back to me.

Hang on this is Ireland if you live deep in the countryside and need to walk through fields then the mud will be ankle deep in the summer too

freshpopcorn · 30-10-2020 3:33pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Please may I offer a solution against any future emergencies? I am late 70s and have had rushed hospital admissions. Not time to grab anything. So in the past I have kept a small bad packed. Nightdress ( I don't wear PJs), toiletries, anything I might need etc. or want if I had to go in urgently. As I had been doing very well, I had not thought living here to sort that. Hence the oldest shabbiest nightie on and nothing with me.
Needless to say a small bag is now easy to hand to save my dignity! The gown was needed as I too had drips in both arms.
One less thing to worry about when emergency strikes.

When my grandmother used be alive we used always have this done but if she had an accident you’d have to produce a new set of everything fairly fast.

Antares35 · 30-10-2020 3:35pm

Lolle06 wrote: »

It might surprise you, but with some clothes, a « size too big », is still too small... especially items that are made in Asia.
So, maybe the OP should buy two or even three sizes up from the get-go?
Sure, why doesn’t every parent do this in the first place, I wonder? According to you, that prevents parents from ever relying on SW payment. Oh, how simple life could be!
Why didn’t that idea ever catch on, I wonder?
Perhaps due to the fact, that having to wear 2 sizes larger, might be rather uncomfortable for the child and the quality of affordable clothes these days prevents any longterm wear? But that’s just a guess, of course.

Or order from a shop that you've bought in before so that you know the size? You realise you can't try on in the shop anyway? Honestly all these people thinking they are some special exception to the restrictions is part of the reason why we are back at level five.

Umekichi · 30-10-2020 3:36pm

Graces7 wrote: »

There are always plenty of gowns

Not in my experience (I work in healthcare).

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 3:37pm

titan18 wrote: »

I don't understand how the clothes that were fine 2 weeks ago now don't fit for 99.99999% of the population. Sure you'll have extreme exceptions but feck it everything is nearly essential if we start taking extreme cases into account and going well that person clearly needs this now.

A lot of parents wait with buying the winter clothes for their children until Oct/ Nov - when the bad weather sets in.
Winter coats from last year might still fit this year, depending on when the coat was bought and if the child grew a lot since then, but childrens winter boots do not fit for 2 winters.

Also, with winter coats, it’s often not clear in the online description how warm or heavy they actually are. Sometimes even the sleeves can be uncomfortable (according to my DD). Therefore, I prefer buying them in the shop - with the child trying the coat on.

breezy1985 · 30-10-2020 3:38pm

spook_cook wrote: »

I hope you're limiting your grocery shopping to essential only. No sauces, no condiments, no drink of any sort (water out of the tap not good enough for you?).

I'm currently in a house full of legionella so no the tap water is not good enough for me

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 3:44pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Or order from a shop that you've bought in before so that you know the size? You realise you can't try on in the shop anyway? Honestly all these people thinking they are some special exception to the restrictions is part of the reason why we are back at level five.

You do realize that different brands fit differently?
How can one order online from Penney’s for example?
AFAIK the changing rooms were closed due to COVID restrictions, but ppl surely still can hold the item in their hands?

Are you seriously telling me, that I think to be a « special exeption « and don’t adhere to the restrictions?

trixi001 · 30-10-2020 3:48pm

I think clothes are essential, but for 6 weeks, most people should be fine.

However - i bought about 4 pairs of Jeans in March (i buy reasonably cheap jeans as they happen to the make that fit, haven't found any others that fit!)- was down to one pair last week - (thankfully i was able to but another pair, and 2 pair of tracksuit bottoms a few days ago -as i was in the North, so the shops are still open - ps i had tried online but couldn't get them, as unavailable in the right size).
I also had to buy a few warm jumpers for working from home - as in the office it was never necessary as the heat was always on - peoples needs change, peoples size change etc.

Close the area off to stop browsing, but there should be a mechanism that someone can explain to the staff member why they need something - emergencies happen

Shoes should definitely be essential - most people have one pair of runners, and a pair of work/school shoes - these don't last forever - you could get them caught in something and rip them etc. Children grow out of shoes too, and this can easily happen in less than 6 weeks.

I understand the fairness argument, but if it was really about fairness should online sales not be stopped too?

Lolle06 · 30-10-2020 3:52pm

ablelocks wrote: »

I'm confused - why would you need winter boots for a car? don't you mean winter tyres? tyre shops are open aren't they?

I am unaware that I mentioned a car?

The topic here is that clothes shops/ shoe shops are regarded as non- essential.

Yes, your car can still get new tyres, I think. My child however will have to do with non-fitting shoes or his runners in bad weather.

bladespin · 30-10-2020 4:04pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Or order from a shop that you've bought in before so that you know the size? You realise you can't try on in the shop anyway? Honestly all these people thinking they are some special exception to the restrictions is part of the reason why we are back at level five.

You do realise the restriction on clothing sales within supermarkets etc is nothing to do with the Covid-19 restrictions???
It's supposedly a protection to smaller business that have been forced to close by the government, supposedly if they force us all to shop on-line that will help.

boardlady · 30-10-2020 4:08pm

My tuppence worth is that some are under-estimating the rate that children can grow at - and I don't mean in 6 weeks - I mean in a year. A jumper that my son might not have needed to wear since last March (remember the beautiful lockdown weather we had?) - will definitely not fit him now in November. And you do not buy kids clothes with foresight as you cannot predict how they will fit. For babies, perhaps, but not for older kids. My son could wear 11-12 or he could wear 13-14. He can were size S in men's sizes in Penneys. I'm sure we and our hulkishly growing children will manage for the few weeks alright, but it is an irritation to find yourself caught short in something that seems so basic and yes, is essential when you don't have it.

I also have to defend the lady who's son has outgrown wellies. Living rurally without wellies is a nightmare and no, we did not need our wellies during the summer this year as it was incredibly dry!

Clothes are no longer essential

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