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03-07-2019, 10:20   #46
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No disrespect here, but this is very much a soundbyte.

How is Boris a better negotiator? What negotiating has he done?

Explain the EU not respecting democracy? I suspect you'll mention the Lisbon Treaty, but I think you should really read up on the difference between the two votes we had, as the conditions were very different in both.
What did he negotiate as Foreign Secretary?
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Then their "word" and signature on any future agreements or deals would be worthless, how could anyone trust them or agree on deals with them if they just walk away from bills they owe ?
That wouldn't happen. Look at Iceland, they tore up their contracts to get out of recession and they are doing just fine. There are trade agreements ready to be implemented with Britain, Trump is banging at their door. The Brits will be fine.
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What did he negotiate as Foreign Secretary?
I literally can't think of anything.
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They're sending MEPs to Europe to pocket our money while turning their backs and acting the bollocks.

The door is open, why are they taking so long to leave?
Couldnt agree more. will they ever just **** off. They are causing some people here serious stress.
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Thread is going way off topic, look, one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister. If she cant control her emotions on her own door step, imagine how she was around the negotiation table with the EU. The UK needs a PM with strong masculine values, one who will not give in to the elites. I am aware that there are powerful females in the world but they are the exception rather than the rule (you can look at the statistics of male leaders vs female leaders for proof of this). If by some paradox in the space time continuum Thatcher had taken over instead of May, the Brits would be long gone at this stage, deal or no deal.
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Thread is going way off topic, look, one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister. If she cant control her emotions on her own door step, imagine how she was around the negotiation table with the EU. The UK needs a PM with strong masculine values, one who will not give in to the elites. I am aware that there are powerful females in the world but they are the exception rather than the rule (you can look at the statistics of male leaders vs female leaders for proof of this). If by some paradox in the space time continuum Thatcher had taken over instead of May, the Brits would be long gone at this stage, deal or no deal.
Sure, why not throw in a bit of the aul sexism while we're at it?
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Sure, why not throw in a bit of the aul sexism while we're at it?
It is not sexism, it is scientific fact that women are more agreeable, meaning they are generally not as good at negotiating. If is one of the reasons for the "pay gap" aswell. There are things that women are better at and things that men are better at, its life, deal with it....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

"Replicating previous findings, women reported higher Big Five Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism scores than men."
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It is not sexism, it is scientific fact that women are more agreeable, meaning they are generally not as good at negotiating. If is one of the reasons for the "pay gap" aswell. There are things that women are better at and things that men are better at, its life, deal with it....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

"Replicating previous findings, women reported higher Big Five Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism scores than men."
That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.
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That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.
Especially considering the personality traits required to rise through political ranks
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The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now
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one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister.
Sorry can you be a little clearer who is to blame here? The EU or the UK?
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That's just a generalisation. Doesn't apply to every person and is frankly weak reasoning.
That is one study among hundreds. These traits can be observed in everyday life, it is indisputable. Women in general are more agreeable while men in general are more stoic. Im not sure how May rose through the ranks because she is a pushover unlike the strong female leaders mentioned in this thread.
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Sorry can you be a little clearer who is to blame here? The EU or the UK?
Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.
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Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.
Of course they don't want Britain to leave.
But they're not making Britain stay either.
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Of course they don't want Britain to leave.
But they're not making Britain stay either.
Britain are the crowd who insisted on the UK wide backstop, in negotiations.
Britain are the crowd crying about the UK wide backstop.

EU is still at fault somehow...
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Both. The EU dont respect democracy and didnt want the British to leave. The Brits put a weak remainer in charge. The EU took advantage of Mays weakness. A stronger PM would have put their personal wishes aside and battled for Brexit.
Can you clarify how, exactly, the EU forced May and the British government into their impossible triangle of goals?

They want complete separation from the EU and control over their borders.
They want no border in Ireland.
They want no border down the Irish sea.

They cannot have all three, they can only pick two. International law only allows for them choosing two, irrespective of the EU's wishes. This isn't a scenario the EU forced on them, it's one they chose for themselves.
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