Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 11:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

Grand.

Just so I know, as a straight white man, what other words, which are in common usage for others, are forbidden for me?

I'd hate to get violently attacked for misspeaking.

Is it really a big ask or inconvenience for you not to use a word which has historically been used in a homophobic and derogatory manner?

Its a word that has potential to cause offense, why would you risk using it when you mean no harm, unless your intention is to actually cause offense?

jimgoose · 14-06-2019 11:52am

SusieBlue wrote: »

Is it really a big ask or inconvenience for you not to use a word which has historically been used in a homophobic and derogatory manner?

Its a word that has potential to cause offense, why would you risk using it when you mean no harm, unless your intention is to actually cause offense?

'Kin right. Especially when you could get a thump over it. :pac:

14-06-2019 11:54am

SusieBlue wrote:

Is it really a big ask or inconvenience for you not to use a word which has historically been used in a homophobic and derogatory manner?

Yes. It's hard to talk about all matters lbgtq if you aren't allowed use the word queer. The word is used as a description of a section of your community.

It's not like Black Lives Matter called them **** Lives Matter.

Der Stier · 14-06-2019 11:57am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I have no issue with the Q. the issue is have is straight people using it against me. Much like black people calling each other n*gga but not liking when outsiders do the same to them. It is rarely coming from a good place.

Black people don't like the word "nigger"

Big difference to the word "nigga" ...

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 11:57am

jimgoose wrote: »

'Kin right. Especially when you could get a thump over it. :pac:

Its a word that has historically been used to insult, intimidate, demean and persecute gay people. I would be offended if it was said to me too.

Anyone with a bit of social awareness wouldn't risk using it, even with good intentions, as they know it could hurt or offend someone.

Then you have people on this thread bemoaning the fact that its not socially acceptable to say it, and what other words are they not allowed use, as if its some massive inconvenience???

A dose of cop on wouldn't go amiss here.

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 11:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. It's hard to talk about all matters lbgtq if you aren't allowed use the word queer. The word is used as a description of a section of your community.

It's not like Black Lives Matter called them **** Lives Matter.

For a start I'm not even gay, so its not my community. I just try to treat people with the respect I expect myself.

Its a word that has potential to cause offense and upset. It won't kill you not to use it.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 11:59am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. It's hard to talk about all matters lbgtq if you aren't allowed use the word queer. The word is used as a description of a section of your community.

It's not like Black Lives Matter called them **** Lives Matter.

nobody said you cant use the word queer. You just have, i dont care. stop being so melodramatic. and they call me a drama queen.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:00pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I was going to but then you start making such a tit of yourself I couldn't stop watching!:D

good man.

14-06-2019 12:01pm

SusieBlue wrote:

For a start I'm not even gay, so its not my community. I just try to treat people with the respect I expect myself.

I wasn't responding to you. I treat people with the level of respect I deem that they deserve.

SusieBlue wrote:

Its a word that has potential to cause offense and upset. It won't kill you not to use it.

Any word can offend Susie.

14-06-2019 12:04pm

SusieBlue wrote:

Then you have people on this thread bemoaning the fact that its not socially acceptable to say it, and what other words are they not allowed use, as if its some massive inconvenience???

I never bemoaned it. I said that it is inconvenient to talk about queer folk when the word queer is offensive to some gay people (and you as well apparently for some reason).

My only issue was that the poster said he would violently lash out at someone for name calling yet hypocritically has is outraged when someone reacts violently against people he aligns with politically or socially.

Violence is violence.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 12:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Any word can offend Susie.

Really? I've always found huge swathes of the English language to be completely inoffensive. I must be using it wrong...

14-06-2019 12:06pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

nobody said you cant use the word queer. You just have, i dont care. stop being so melodramatic. and they call me a drama queen.

Nice deflection. Don't call me a drama queen. I find it offensive.

DrPhilG · 14-06-2019 12:06pm

Calling someone queer, gay, homo, fag, nigg@r, bitch, c#*t or any other term that either could be derogatory or definitely is derogatory, is bad form and you are either stupid and lacking in awareness, or you're a prick.

Punching someone for calling you one of things is also bad form. Only difference is that you don't have the option of just being stupid lacking awareness. You're simply a prick.

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 12:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I wasn't responding to you. I treat people with the level of respect I deem that they deserve.

Any word can offend Susie.

You were responding to me, you quoted my post.

Any word can offend, but there are certain words which have been specifically used in a derogatory manner over a sustained period of time that anyone with a bit of social awareness would avoid.
Anyone who claims to be using these innocently is most certainly provoking for a reaction, because anyone with an ounce of cop on wouldn't use them.

OrangeBadger · 14-06-2019 12:06pm

In regards to the parade, what is the general consensus off the majority of the community to the few over the top floats?

I was in Dublin during pride in 2016 and saw one float which consisted of a load of guys in underware making out with each other. Fine in a nightclub or at a party later but in the middle off the day in the center of Dublin, bit rank.

And yes I would feel the exact same way if it was a bunch of semi naked women acting like tramps in the middle of the day.

The rest of the parade which I saw was good, lots of colour/music/creativity

14-06-2019 12:07pm

kunst nugget wrote:

Really? I've always found huge swathes of the English language to be completely inoffensive. I must be using it wrong...

Yes. Really. What you find inoffensive can be freakishly offensive to another.

14-06-2019 12:08pm

SusieBlue wrote:

You were responding to me, you quoted my post.

My apologies Susie. I genuinely thought I was responding to someone else. My bad.

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 12:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I never bemoaned it. I said that it is inconvenient to talk about queer folk when the word queer is offensive to some gay people (and you as well apparently for some reason).

My only issue was that the poster said he would violently lash out at someone for name calling yet hypocritically has is outraged when someone reacts violently against people he aligns with politically or socially.

Violence is violence.

It doesn't offend me. I know it has potential to offend other people so I don't use it. It isn't a massive inconvenience to not include it in my vocabulary, its not a massive sacrifice, so I don't understand why others here are acting like its their God given right to use it.

Anyone using language like that is provoking for a reaction because anyone with a bit of cop on wouldn't risk offending someone.
I don't believe anyone who uses it has innocent intentions.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 12:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. Really. What you find inoffensive can be freakishly offensive to another.

Can you give me examples outside the norm? Is the word 'cylinder' freakishly offensive to anyone? Cloud? Spindle?

14-06-2019 12:15pm

kunst nugget wrote:

Can you give me examples outside the norm? Is the word 'cylinder' freakishly offensive to anyone? Cloud? Spindle?

That's the thing, offense is a personal feeling, specific to the individual. So yeah, probably.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice deflection. Don't call me a drama queen. I find it offensive.

dont get overdramatic and it wont happen again.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:18pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Calling someone queer, gay, homo, fag, nigg@r, bitch, c#*t or any other term that either could be derogatory or definitely is derogatory, is bad form and you are either stupid and lacking in awareness, or you're a prick.

Punching someone for calling you one of things is also bad form. Only difference is that you don't have the option of just being stupid lacking awareness. You're simply a prick.

I've been called worse.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the thing, offense is a personal feeling, specific to the individual. So yeah, probably.

when a word has been used for a long time in a derogatory fashion dont be surprised when some might have an issue with it.

14-06-2019 12:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

when a word has been used for a long time in a derogatory fashion dont be surprised when some might have an issue with it.

Ok. So.... If I'm talking to someone and they identify as queer, THEN am I ok to use it? What if they aren't there and I am talking about them?

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok. So.... If I'm talking to someone and they identify as queer, THEN am I ok to use it? What if they aren't there and I am talking about them?

how about using their name? its a crazy idea but it just might work.

gmisk · 14-06-2019 12:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ok. So.... If I'm talking to someone and they identify as queer, THEN am I ok to use it? What if they aren't there and I am talking about them?

Maybe ask them?

If they aren't there maybe call them by there name rather than referring to them as queer?

14-06-2019 12:34pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

how about using their name? its a crazy idea but it just might work.

Really? So it's as if that persons sexuality isn't important and doesn't define them and they should be treated exactly the way I treat my straight friends? Especially in this day and age.

You could go so far as to think that a month long celebration of something that shouldn't even bother being mentioned in conversation seems a little unnecessary...

I agree.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? So it's as if that persons sexuality isn't important and doesn't define them and they should be treated exactly the way I treat my straight friends? Especially in this day and age.

You could go so far as to think that a month long celebration of something that shouldn't even bother being mentioned in conversation seems a little unnecessary...

I agree.

Jesus you really do have an issue with anything Pride related. Get over it.

14-06-2019 12:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

Jesus you really do have an issue with anything Pride related. Get over it.

I'm in a pride related thread.

MrMusician18 · 14-06-2019 12:38pm

No, I won't be doing anything or attending any events. I hope everyone that does enjoys them thoroughly though.

It mustn't sit right with a lot of the members of the pride (gay rights) movement that the day has essentially been completely corporatised and is used for some positive publicity by companies so they can tell us how inclusive they are. Of course many of these same diverse companies have toxic work cultures for gay and straight alike.

As an outsider it looks like it's lost its direction?

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 12:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok. So.... If I'm talking to someone and they identify as queer, THEN am I ok to use it? What if they aren't there and I am talking about them?

How do you speak to your straight friends? Do you call them heteros & straights?

I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where it would be necessary to refer to or call someone a queer. I just call people by their names.

In what context does the requirement to use the word usually come up for you?

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm in a pride related thread.

and you have a huge issue with the existence of pride along with others.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 12:48pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No, I won't be doing anything or attending any events. I hope everyone that does enjoys them thoroughly though.

It mustn't sit right with a lot of the members of the pride (gay rights) movement that the day has essentially been completely corporatised and is used for some positive publicity by companies so they can tell us how inclusive they are. Of course many of these same diverse companies have toxic work cultures for gay and straight alike.

As an outsider it looks like it's lost its direction?

there was a link on that topic posted last night.

gazzer · 14-06-2019 12:50pm

We got an email (Civil Servant) in work a while back to ask if we would to take part in Pride under a Civil Service banner. I think that is the first time that has happened. I never go to the parade and for the last few years I have not gone into town for the after party. Pubs are wedged, people sick and pissed drunk everywhere. It is getting like St Patrick's Day for the amount of teenagers staggering around the street from early evening.

14-06-2019 1:04pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

and you have a huge issue with the existence of pride along with others.

Nope.

_Kaiser_ · 14-06-2019 2:35pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and you have a huge issue with the existence of pride along with others.

Actually I think most people at this stage don't have an issue with someone's sexuality at all - this is a very good thing and real progress.

What people DO have a problem with is having that sexuality shoved in their faces every 5 minutes and told that not only must the accept it, they must actively support and advocate for it.

I don't give a toss what 2 consenting adults do as long as it's legal and no-one gets hurt. But I see no reason at all why some need to tell the world about it every day.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 2:36pm

If you were walking down the street with your girlfriend or boyfriend and holding hands someone shouted abuse at her/him or worse came up and hit her/him

What would you do?

Generally speaking it rarely happens to straight couples.
If you’re gay you avoid even that small kind of contact with your other half in public so as to avoid it because it’s not just likely, it’s very probably going to happen.
And if you asked the asshole, he’d probably echo a lot of what’s being said here
‘Yis got your marriage equality rights. No need to be shoving it in our faces’.

I’ve had this happen three different times.

What would you do?

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 2:40pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Actually I think most people at this stage don't have an issue with someone's sexuality at all - this is a very good thing and real progress.

What people DO have a problem with is having that sexuality shoved in their faces every 5 minutes and told that not only must the accept it, they must actively support and advocate for it.

I don't give a toss what 2 consenting adults do as long as it's legal and no-one gets hurt. But I see no reason at all why some need to tell the world about it every day.

who is shoving it in your face?

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 2:43pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who is shoving it in your face?

I literally didn’t even see that post before I posted mine just there.

There it is. Laid bare.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 2:45pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who is shoving it in your face?

The amount of gay willies I get shoved in my face every five minutes is ridiculous. I mean, Jesus, you got marriage equality, what more do you want?!?!?!

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 2:47pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

The amount of gay willies I get shoved in my face every five minutes is ridiculous. I mean, Jesus, you got marriage equality, what more do you want?!?!?!

you lucky bastard.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 2:51pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you lucky bastard.

It's terrible. I went to have lunch today and there was a gay willy in my soup. I got up to leave and I tripped up over a gay willy and when I went to got back to the office what was on my desk? A gay willy... Seriously lads.

Ten of Swords · 14-06-2019 2:51pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and you have a huge issue with the existence of pride along with others.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope.

He probably doesn't have a problem with pride as a concept but the parade is a big no no as he's mentioned about 15 times (too sexualized, or some such nonsense).

Gheys: meh
Pride: good
Expressions of pride: bad
Parade: Hell no

Sound about right, the dunne?

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 2:52pm

Ten of Swords wrote: »

He probably doesn't have a problem with pride as a concept but the parade is a big no no as he's mentioned about 15 times (too sexualized, or some such nonsense).

Gheys: meh
Pride: good
Expressions of pride: bad
Parade: Hell no

Sound about right, the dunne?

No, he's against pride as a concept. He says nobody should be proud of who they are.

Annasopra · 14-06-2019 2:59pm

gmisk wrote: »

Thread has turned into a cesspool what a shock.
You would think from reading this thread that homophobia is non existent, it is just snowflakes being overly sensitive.
I am afraid being yelled at by two lads (f@ggot) who are covering their faces and then subsequently slashed my face with a Stanley knife gives me a very personal experience and opinions.

This thread has gone totally off topic as usual, with pretty familiar posters who seem a tad obsessed with LGBT topics.

I will likely attend something maybe not the march itself on the day.

Just a few posta ago someone claimed they didnt know any homophobes. Maybe they dont but there sure is plenty of them in this thread.

hcf500 · 14-06-2019 3:01pm

This is disgusting. Trans actress Indya Moore was attacked by a trump supporter in New York. The video below shows the assault. This is trumps America in 2019 and it will only get worse. All this happening during Pride month too!

https://www.theroot.com/pose-actress-indya-moore-attacked-by-trump-supporter-in-1835380804

Annasopra · 14-06-2019 3:04pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

The amount of gay willies I get shoved in my face every five minutes is ridiculous. I mean, Jesus, you got marriage equality, what more do you want?!?!?!

Well then stop shoving your heterosexuality in our faces. How about we ban all straight pdas and weddings.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 3:04pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Just a few posta ago someone claimed they didnt know any homophobes. Maybe they dont but there sure is plenty of them in this thread.

Yep.
Empty vessels make the most noise.

That, or they’re all so far in the closet, they’re in Narnia.

Nothing but projection going on from several posters here.
Drop the self loathing and putting it on others folks. It’s your life to live. Let others live theirs.

It’s not that difficult.

seamus · 14-06-2019 3:07pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What people DO have a problem with is having that sexuality shoved in their faces every 5 minutes and told that not only must the accept it, they must actively support and advocate for it.

Except that's not happening.

People uncomfortable with gay "content" think it be like that, but it don't.

A TV programme can be wall-to-wall heterosexual couples groping and kissing and doing whatever else. Then the next scene two lads have a quick romantic kiss and certain people leap up going, "OMG, I don't mind gays but why do they have to shove this in our faces all the time?!"

What makes this even funnier is that all of this perceived gay oppression, is people literally shoving it in their own faces. Get your nose out of twitter, boards and facebook for five minutes, and you'll notice that the real world is not talking about pride every five minutes.

If you feel like you're being overwhelmed with gay content, it's because you're subscribing to it.

DrPhilG · 14-06-2019 3:08pm

hcf500 wrote: »

This is disgusting. Trans actress Indya Moore was attacked by a trump supporter in New York. The video below shows the assault. This is trumps America in 2019 and it will only get worse. All this happening during Pride month too!

https://www.theroot.com/pose-actress-indya-moore-attacked-by-trump-supporter-in-1835380804

Are you for real?

Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

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