Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

Hedgelayer

Mr.Frame wrote: »

You dont need one

Why not, he could be asexual and free from any attachments...

Lucky guy if he is

Feisar

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

While that’s a whole other topic I will bite.

The behaviour at the parade I saw was way worse than my experiences with st Patricks day over the years in terms of both alcohol intoxication and drug abuse.

But yes. Agreed, I know st Patricks parade is very bad also.

I had the misfortune of having to cross Dublin one Paddy's afternoon, it was horrific.

I had a about 3/4 Pride parade people roaring nonsense at me clearly off their faces in Temple Bar one year.

Point being some people are arseholes, my negative experiences are a small sample and not noteworthy. By and large people are good however festival type events seem to attract dregs.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Read my question again please and thanks. Slowly if necessary !!

I thought the implication of my answer was equally obvious.

If you want one, start one.

Popularity will supply demand, if any.

SirGerryAdams

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

barely covered? so they were covered. Dont bring your kids to the beach either, there might be blokes there wearing budgie smugglers.

It's a bit different going to a beach when it's sunny to enjoy some sun where you wear a bikini or just wear trunks. There's nothing explicitly sexual about that.

Completely different when there's lads going around wearing assless chaps in a march celebrating that you like the cock.

I suppose you think babestation is fine for kids to watch then?

SirGerryAdams

eviltwin wrote: »

This thread, and every other that covers an LGBT issue, shows why Pride is still needed.

Ah yes because everyone that has commented something you don't like will be converted by the parade. Great!

Mr.Frame

Ive been to many a Pride parade and I can safely say that 99.9% of those participating in it are having fun and are FULLY clothed.

It always a source of amusement (im being sarcastic) when people say "pride is nothing but scantily clad men" or "its not for children",

First off, you may see one or two guys with no shirts on and wearing shorts (weather permitting of course), but if you look around Dublin city on any hot day , you will see plenty of guys doing the same, shirtless and wearing shorts.

But somehow because its a few gay guys that do it in a parade, it is deemed to be a "parade that is sexualised", which is utter rubbish,

As for not bringing children to it, again, I would say that is down to someones own bigotry and belief that the gays are all a bunch of perverts and shouldnt be "near children". Yup, again its utter rubbish.

Pride parade is a fun filled day. To a gay person it is usually the only day they can feel completely safe to walk down O Connell street holding their partners hand, without fear of abuse,be it verbal or physical.

Ocassionally I may hold my partners hand in town (apart from Pride) but i am very conscious of my surroundings. Plus you will ALWAYS get "looks" off people.

So to those who complain about Pride parade, I would suggest you go along and see how joyous a thing it is and be safe in the knowledge that if you do go , you wont become a homo.

It doesnt work like that

Mr.Frame

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

It's a bit different going to a beach when it's sunny to enjoy some sun where you wear a bikini or just wear trunks. There's nothing explicitly sexual about that.

Completely different when there's lads going around wearing assless chaps in a march celebrating that you like the cock.

I suppose you think babestation is fine for kids to watch then?

Ive been to many a pride parade and have never seen guys in assless chaps. I have though, every weekend in town , seen girls with low cut tops showing off their breasts and wearing mini skirts showing off their underware .

But,thats ok I presume since its "girls" and they are heterosexuals and sure the "lads like that kind of thing"

double standards anyone ?

SirGerryAdams

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Pride parade is a fun filled day. To a gay person it is usually the only day they can feel completely safe to walk down O Connell street holding their partners hand, without fear of abuse,be it verbal or physical.

If gay people don't feel safe now because of their sexuality then they'll never feel safe.

How many assaults and attacks have been homophobic attacks in Dublin compared to just random attacks?

Mr.Frame

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

If gay people don't feel safe now because of their sexuality then they'll never feel safe.

How many assaults and attacks have been homophobic attacks in Dublin compared to just random attacks?

Just because we have marriage equality,it doesnt mean that homophobia isnt alive and well.

Its an ongoing battle.

There are numerous homophobic attacks,on an all too often basis, many of which go unreported. Some ARE physical, but many many are verbal abuse.

Mr.Frame

Just read this article in the Indo about a gay worker who was subjected to homophobic abuse from a Director.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gay-bar-manager-awarded-20000-after-being-called-queer-by-boss-at-work-38209437.html

Mr.Frame

Mr.Frame wrote:

First off, you may see one or two guys with no shirts on and wearing shorts (weather permitting of course), but if you look around Dublin city on any hot day , you will see plenty of guys doing the same, shirtless and wearing shorts.

Not at an event where they are promoting their sexuality.

Mr.Frame wrote:

But somehow because its a few gay guys that do it in a parade, it is deemed to be a "parade that is sexualised", which is utter rubbish,

Because it is a parade that celebrates their sexuality.

Mr.Frame wrote:

As for not bringing children to it, again, I would say that is down to someones own bigotry and belief that the gays are all a bunch of perverts and shouldnt be "near children". Yup, again its utter rubbish.

Yeah, but nobody said that. We just said that a place where people want to celebrate their sexuality shouldn't be a place where kids are.

That makes me a bigot apparently.

Your Face

No , I won't be going as I don't like parades but let them off.
I always remember at school a camp young fella getting beaten up for being who he was.
I hope the cowards that did it are sickened by all the Pride events.

Mr.Frame

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at an event where they are promoting their sexuality.

Oh dear God



Because it is a parade that celebrates their sexuality.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, but nobody said that. We just said that a place where people want to celebrate their sexuality shouldn't be a place where kids are.

That makes me a bigot apparently.

Why? Why shouldnt Pride be a place for kids ? What could happen? Do you think those pesky gayers would indoctrinate the kids ? is that it ?

Mr.Frame

Mr.Frame wrote:

There are numerous homophobic attacks,on an all too often basis, many of which go unreported. Some ARE physical, but many many are verbal abuse.

Shocking. A lot of people get physically attacked for things they can't change about themselves.

Some people are pricks.

Some lad who gets called speccy or some girl who gets called a minger should have a pride day for themselves?

Ireland has come so far. From homosexuality being illegal to having an overwhelming majority vote in favour of gay marriage and having an openly homosexual head of state in less than a lifetime is amazing.

Yet some people here think that we are a homophobic country because we think that some aspects of "pride" are a bit too much.

Perpetual victims who do nothing but try to continually demand to be treated as equals yet demand special treatment.

cgcsb

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is there any straight pride events over the next few weeks?

The queue at krispe kreme

Mr.Frame

Mr.Frame wrote:

Why? Why shouldnt Pride be a place for kids ? What could happen? Do you think those pesky gayers would indoctrinate the kids ? is that it ?

Because as I have explained earlier, children shouldn't be concerned about pride in their, or anyone elses, sexuality.

There is nothing to be proud of.

And children shouldn't be taught that.

For clarity, I would object to kids going to a straight pride march.

SirGerryAdams

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Ive been to many a pride parade and have never seen guys in assless chaps. I have though, every weekend in town , seen girls with low cut tops showing off their breasts and wearing mini skirts showing off their underware .

But,thats ok I presume since its "girls" and they are heterosexuals and sure the "lads like that kind of thing"

double standards anyone ?

Eh...who is saying Dublin pubs at 12 o clock on a Friday night are acceptable for kids?

SirGerryAdams

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Just because we have marriage equality,it doesnt mean that homophobia isnt alive and well.

Its an ongoing battle.

There are numerous homophobic attacks,on an all too often basis, many of which go unreported. Some ARE physical, but many many are verbal abuse.

Yeah just like gingers would get abused too. Or fat people. Or people with glasses. or people with a limp etc. etc.

The list goes on.

SirGerryAdams

SirGerryAdams wrote:

Eh...who is saying Dublin pubs at 12 o clock on a Friday night are acceptable for kids?

If those girls were on a float at 2pm on O'Connell st talking about how proud they were that they love cocks, he might have a point.

Mr.Frame

Deleted User wrote: »

Because as I have explained earlier, children shouldn't be concerned about pride in their, or anyone elses, sexuality.

There is nothing to be proud of.

And children shouldn't be taught that.

For clarity, I would object to kids going to a straight pride march.

You do realise that it is a carnival ?

Theres no one going around with badges saying "I am a gayer beware".

Perhaps children should be taught that familes come in all shapes and sizes ,in other words diversity is the reality.
By "hiding" away from reality you are in effectively saying there is something wrong with LGBT people

Mr.Frame

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Yeah just like gingers would get abused too. Or fat people. Or people with glasses. or people with a limp etc. etc.

The list goes on.

Oh please, dont throw that one out, we've heard it all before. Trying to equate the abuse (both physical and verbal )that LGBT people get to those who are ginger or fat or wear glasses,is a non runner and quite frankly is pathetic.

cgcsb

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Ive been to many a Pride parade and I can safely say that 99.9% of those participating in it are having fun and are FULLY clothed.

It always a source of amusement (im being sarcastic) when people say "pride is nothing but scantily clad men" or "its not for children",

First off, you may see one or two guys with no shirts on and wearing shorts (weather permitting of course), but if you look around Dublin city on any hot day , you will see plenty of guys doing the same, shirtless and wearing shorts.

But somehow because its a few gay guys that do it in a parade, it is deemed to be a "parade that is sexualised", which is utter rubbish,

As for not bringing children to it, again, I would say that is down to someones own bigotry and belief that the gays are all a bunch of perverts and shouldnt be "near children". Yup, again its utter rubbish.

Pride parade is a fun filled day. To a gay person it is usually the only day they can feel completely safe to walk down O Connell street holding their partners hand, without fear of abuse,be it verbal or physical.

Ocassionally I may hold my partners hand in town (apart from Pride) but i am very conscious of my surroundings. Plus you will ALWAYS get "looks" off people.

So to those who complain about Pride parade, I would suggest you go along and see how joyous a thing it is and be safe in the knowledge that if you do go , you wont become a homo.

It doesnt work like that

For these people gays must be silent, sober, invisible and child friendly at all times. The wont somebody please think of the children and allegations of excessive alcohol intake are just their sword and shield in a campaign of bigotry.

Mr.Frame

Mr.Frame wrote:

Perhaps children should be taught that familes come in all shapes and sizes ,in other words diversity is the reality. By "hiding" away from reality you are in effectively saying there is something wrong with LGBT people

Yeah. I do reach my daughter that. But funnily enough, if I sent my daughter to school and told her to tell her that she was "proud" that she had a mam and a dad and they were straight, I'd have social services at my door.

I teach my daughter that there are unusual families. None is better than the other.

Hard to teach her that everyone is equal when certain members of a community want to emphasize how different and diverse they are.

As I said, for a long time gay people wanted to be accepted. They were. Now some of them want to be celebrated. No. That's where I draw the line.

Mr.Frame

Mr.Frame wrote:

Oh please, dont throw that one out, we've heard it all before. Trying to equate the abuse (both physical and verbal )that LGBT people get to those who are ginger or fat or wear glasses,is a non runner and quite frankly is pathetic.

Unless you are ginger and wear glasses and are straight, your opinion is invalid.

igCorcaigh

I think it's great that there is such a visible support of gay/LGBT rights these days.

I can also understand how it can appear very pushy, a bit OTT.

I have no political agenda apart from this, just saying this as a 46 year old gay male person (ticking the boxes).

I wish things were different in my days of growing up in school. I was lucky not to be harassed (not gay enough probably!), but the level of education we got was dire. And for straight people too. A lot has changed for the better. At least we can discuss things.

cgcsb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shocking. A lot of people get physically attacked for things they can't change about themselves.

Some people are pricks.

Some lad who gets called speccy or some girl who gets called a minger should have a pride day for themselves?

Ireland has come so far. From homosexuality being illegal to having an overwhelming majority vote in favour of gay marriage and having an openly homosexual head of state in less than a lifetime is amazing.

Yet some people here think that we are a homophobic country because we think that some aspects of "pride" are a bit too much.

Perpetual victims who do nothing but try to continually demand to be treated as equals yet demand special treatment.

I don't think anyone is claiming that Ireland in 2019 is a bad place the gays. In fact itd be difficult to argue that it's not in the top 10 pro lgbt places in the world.

And neither I or anyone I know of think that people like you who have an issue with pride are in any way representative of general society. Pride is well attended by straight people and indeed lots of children. The crowds of onlookers last year must have numbered in the hundreds of thousands, all very positive, all smiling and waving. Its really only a tiny % of dour phobes who get their tits in a twist over the vague possibility of a child seeing an arse cheek.

Mr.Frame

cgcsb wrote: »

For these people gays must be silent, sober, invisible and child friendly at all times. The wont somebody please think of the children and allegations of excessive alcohol intake are just their sword and shield in a campaign of bigotry.

In a nutshell.

Well said .

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote:

I think it's great that there is such a visible support of gay/LGBT rights these days.

igCorcaigh wrote:

I can also understand how it can appear very pushy, a bit OTT.

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more

SirGerryAdams

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Oh please, dont throw that one out, we've heard it all before. Trying to equate the abuse (both physical and verbal )that LGBT people get to those who are ginger or fat or wear glasses,is a non runner and quite frankly is pathetic.

Why? Is it because there's more gay people to massage your ego for defending them?

Do you think a ginger lad attacked for being ginger doesn't feel fear but a gay person attacked for being gay does?

Manach

No - this business of Month of this or that is pure Americanism.