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Dublin Marathon 2020

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  • #252
    TheUnderfaker
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭TheUnderfaker


    Are there any restrictions on how long you're allowed to spend outside exercising during L5? Was only 30 minutes during the first lockdown wasn't it?

    Might need to smash the world record here.


  • #253
    Slow_Runner
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Slow_Runner


    tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »
    The new lockdown with 5km limit [if that is right] means a lot of people will be running around their local park 150 times Im thinking

    Think it's 5km radius from your home so you can get a lot of road into that if you are lucky. Where I am I have a 13km circle that I could add on by heading out and back a few times to add more if I wanted. Plan a 4 loop run for next weekend all within 5km


  • #254
    event
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,065 ✭✭✭✭event


    No talk of a time limit this time. The phoenix park won't be so busy this weekend then


  • #255
    jlang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭jlang


    I think I'll be using Rizzee's 7mile PP lap this weekend. Tried it out for two laps yesterday and seems to be as flat a big loop as I'll get in the park. And all within 5km of home.


  • #256
    rizzee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭rizzee


    Where's the uploading link/details for manual (Garmin/Strava) uploads for this weekend? I'm on the EventMaster page and there's no option for Manage My Booking as per the Marathons FAQs?


  • #257
    Downtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Downtime


    rizzee wrote: »
    Where's the uploading link/details for manual (Garmin/Strava) uploads for this weekend? I'm on the EventMaster page and there's no option for Manage My Booking as per the Marathons FAQs?

    They said it will be available at the weekend.


  • #258
    Josieg
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Josieg


    jlang wrote: »
    I think I'll be using Rizzee's 7mile PP lap this weekend. Tried it out for two laps yesterday and seems to be as flat a big loop as I'll get in the park. And all within 5km of home.

    I'm screwed :(. I live in North Leitrim so there are hills in all directions from the house. I was going to do a point to point from home to Glencar and on to Drumcliff and finish in Sligo town but that's not going to be possible now. I'll have to try and figure a route with the most gradual incline but that's going to be hard. At least I've done most of my training around here so know those hills well!


  • #259
    rizzee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭rizzee


    Downtime wrote: »
    They said it will be available at the weekend.

    Doh! Thanks.

    Received this anyway, for those who haven't uploaded before (2nd link shows time upload after logging in) :

    The race time upload functionality is not currently open as the event is this weekend.

    You will be able to upload your race time once the event has started.

    To upload your time simply log into your Eventmaster account and submit your time and proof.

    Please click here for instruction on how to log in: https://youtu.be/ULVDEyIZLvo

    Please click here for instruction on submitting your time: https://youtu.be/oLBsXcOLAO0


  • #260
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Thankfully the 5km limit doesn't apply to me, but from looking at the 2kmfromhome.com site it's surprising just how much of all my training runs fall easily within that limit and that is even accounting for over half of the area in the 5km limit is either sea, container ports or only accessible via a footpath along the edge of a Motoway bridge with no other way back (except for running the same way) or breaking the 5km limit by 25meters to reach the only other river crossing.

    I've got my approximate point to point route figured out now, but will possibly need to do an extra mile at the end depending on what the app measures. The wife then doing approximately the same route in the opposite direction after me, but with more coffee shops to stop at for refreshments.

    Something to note from seeing people using the London Marathon app, if you are needing an extra half mile or so at the end don't run around in too small a loop as the app might struggle to map really small radius laps. Doing laps of the garden is potentially not going to register, straight lines are probably better.


  • #261
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Josieg wrote: »
    I'm screwed :(. I live in North Leitrim so there are hills in all directions from the house. I was going to do a point to point from home to Glencar and on to Drumcliff and finish in Sligo town but that's not going to be possible now. I'll have to try and figure a route with the most gradual incline but that's going to be hard. At least I've done most of my training around here so know those hills well!

    I live across the road from the sea so half of my 5km radius is on the sea floor!

    Just as well I'll not be adhering to the 5km ruling this time- Last time it brought me into closer contact with literally hundreds and thousands of people where my normal training locations (where I'd drive to and park up) bring me in contact with a handful (old national road and woodland fireroads).

    People will be no doubt on this forum complaining about runners heavy breathing and sweating all over the place soon enough. Make zero sense to stop people from reducing their own situations, county restrictions would have allowed that.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #262
    SeeMoreBut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    TheUnderfaker wrote: »
    Are there any restrictions on how long you're allowed to spend outside exercising during L5? Was only 30 minutes during the first lockdown wasn't it?

    Might need to smash the world record here.

    There was no time limit but plenty of discussion around time limit. The usual 30 minutes for someone is a warm up where it could be a long session for others. You are free to run for as long as you like but stay within the 5km.


  • #263
    py
    Registered Users Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭py


    I think the time limit was originally implemented in the UK but not here.


  • #264
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    py wrote: »
    I think the time limit was originally implemented in the UK but not here.

    Yes, except it wasn't. Just Michael Gove was asked a question about how long people could exercise for and he said an hour is good.

    Unusually for the any government at the time that was more of a "doing this much exercise is good for you to keep healthy" response than a "don't do more than this because of covid19" response. The one thing that the UK government has got right from the start was the never putting any restrictions on solo exercise.


  • #265
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    event wrote: »
    No talk of a time limit this time. The phoenix park won't be so busy this weekend then

    Park will be jammers i reckon.


  • #266
    The Davestator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Park will be jammers i reckon.

    The last time the park was 'jammers' was 1979. Loads of space for everyone to do their own run.


  • #267
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    The Davestator wrote: »
    The last time the park was 'jammers' was 1979. Loads of space for everyone to do their own run.

    I mean it was very very busy last Sunday...I would recommend an early start for anybody regardless


  • #268
    sassyj
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭sassyj


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Park will be jammers i reckon.

    It shouldn't be as busy with the 5km restriction in place. I wonder will they put gardai on the main gates as it's the first weekend of the lockdown?


  • #269
    geodesic
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭geodesic


    This should not be happening. It's a LOCKDOWN people. No-one cares when anyone runs it, so just run it instead in December.

    Full disclosire: I've an entry for the v-marathon, also an entry for the marathon proper deferred to 2021, 4 time previous Dublin marathoner ... so believe me, I feel your pain. But still. stay the f**k abhaile next weekend.


  • #270
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    sassyj wrote: »
    It shouldn't be as busy with the 5km restriction in place. I wonder will they put gardai on the main gates as it's the first weekend of the lockdown?

    Anyone in the park this weekend running a marathon needs a shoe in the hole.


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  • #271
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    geodesic wrote: »
    This should not be happening. It's a LOCKDOWN people. No-one cares when anyone runs it, so just run it instead in December.

    Full disclosire: I've an entry for the v-marathon, also an entry for the marathon proper deferred to 2021, 4 time previous Dublin marathoner ... so believe me, I feel your pain. But still. stay the f**k abhaile next weekend.

    Eh no.....it’s not a lockdown, it’s an increase in restrictions to level 5 where people are being asked to exercise within 5k of home amongst other things to get the numbers down. If you’ve decided not to do it good for you, there is nothing stopping others doing it in a safe way while not breaking any guidelines.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #272
    geodesic
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭geodesic


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Eh no.....it’s not a lockdown, it’s an increase in restrictions to level 5 where people are being asked to exercise within 5k of home amongst other things to get the numbers down. If you’ve decided not to do it good for you, there is nothing stopping others doing it in a safe way while not breaking any guidelines.

    The spirit of "not breaking any guidelines" while pushing the envelope to the absolute edge is exactly what's going to make this lockdown 2.0 ineffective, while still being massively expensive & damaging to everyone.

    There is zero need to have 13k people out on the roads next weekend, with a bunch of them in the Pheonix Park. It's a virtual event, it literally matters not a whit when you run it. You can even order the beanie off the Expo site right now and then run it safely after the restrictions are eased.


  • #273
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    geodesic wrote: »
    The spirit of "not breaking any guidelines" while pushing the envelope to the absolute edge is exactly what's going to make this lockdown 2.0 ineffective, while still being massively expensive & damaging to everyone.

    There is zero need to have 13k people out on the roads next weekend, with a bunch of them in the Pheonix Park. It's a virtual event, it literally matters not a whit when you run it. You can even order the beanie off the Expo site right now and then run it safely after the restrictions are eased.

    The ineffectiveness of level 5 will not be driven by people outside running, regardless of distance ran or time on feet, there is minimal of transmission of Covid in outdoor settings.

    I know several people doing the virtual run at the weekend for charities that have had their funding decimated over the last few months too.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #274
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    The ineffectiveness of level 5 will not be driven by people outside running, regardless of distance ran or time on feet, there is minimal of transmission of Covid in outdoor settings.

    I know several people doing the virtual run at the weekend for charities that have had their funding decimated over the last few months too.

    Ah right, charidee.
    Carry on so.


  • #275
    geodesic
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭geodesic


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    The ineffectiveness of level 5 will not be driven by people outside running, regardless of distance ran or time on feet, there is minimal of transmission of Covid in outdoor settings.

    I know several people doing the virtual run at the weekend for charities that have had their funding decimated over the last few months too.

    If outdoor settings were actually safe (as opposed to just less dangerous) then why do we have a 5km limit at all? Why have we banned social visits to gardens?

    Heck, why not just hold the traditional marathon event while we're at it - it's an outdoor setting after all.

    And I don't buy the charity argument - are you seriously suggesting that anyone sponsoring a runner will quibble if they ran the marathon yesterday just before lockdown started (as some did), or leave it till the lockdown ends in December, or indeed run it at any time in between?

    Literally nobody cares when you run it, as long as you cover the 26.2 - and many charity donors don't even care about that part. They handed over their tenner or whatever just to make the noise stop.


  • #276
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Ah right, charidee.
    Carry on so.

    No, the main point is there is no problem with people running during level 5.
    ‘Charidee’ is an aside but a point worth making, But you’re dead right- carry on.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #277
    robinph
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    geodesic wrote: »
    If outdoor settings were actually safe (as opposed to just less dangerous) then why do we have a 5km limit at all? Why have we banned social visits to gardens?

    Heck, why not just hold the traditional marathon event while we're at it - it's an outdoor setting after all.

    And I don't buy the charity argument - are you seriously suggesting that anyone sponsoring a runner will quibble if they ran the marathon yesterday just before lockdown started (as some did), or leave it till the lockdown ends in December, or indeed run it at any time in between?

    Literally nobody cares when you run it, as long as you cover the 26.2 - and many charity donors don't even care about that part. They handed over their tenner or whatever just to make the noise stop.

    5km limit is to stop people travelling between areas, nothing to do with if you are likely to transmit it whilst outside.

    Not meeting in people's back gardens is because they don't want you all heading indoors to use the loo or when it rains.

    And the charity aspect is far more likely to succeed in raising funds with the shared publicity around the big event. If one person goes off to run 50 laps of their street nobody cares anymore, that was only interesting in March. Now if you have several thousand people all running laps of their street then it's a story, it will get publicity, and people asking for sponsorship will be more successful.


  • #278
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    geodesic wrote: »
    If outdoor settings were actually safe (as opposed to just less dangerous) then why do we have a 5km limit at all? Why have we banned social visits to gardens?

    Heck, why not just hold the traditional marathon event while we're at it - it's an outdoor setting after all.

    And I don't buy the charity argument - are you seriously suggesting that anyone sponsoring a runner will quibble if they ran the marathon yesterday just before lockdown started (as some did), or leave it till the lockdown ends in December, or indeed run it at any time in between?

    Literally nobody cares when you run it, as long as you cover the 26.2 - and many charity donors don't even care about that part. They handed over their tenner or whatever just to make the noise stop.

    I was just about to address the 5k and outdoor points you make but robinph has covered that.

    There is little risk in gardens- the risk is the weather turning and everyone heading inside, their guard already dropped by thinking people they know won't give it to them or perhaps having a few drink to lower inhibitions means what started as a small gathering in a garden turn into what could be deemed a house party. Use of toilet facilities, towels and eating and drinking utensils was also given a mention buy the powers that be.

    The 5k rule is also directly related to the whole contact tracing debacle- they literally need to restrict peoples movement and contacts to get back ahead of it and the fact that there are hot spots that people always seem to head to on mass- Glendalough etc. This lack of imagination always astounds me- it seems there are those who can't go for a walk out in the countryside unless there's some form of concession stand to purchase goodies afterwards,


    I would have agreed about the charity thing not being an issue but changed my mind after watching the London Marathon on TV, again robinph's point is a good one.

    The point about holding the marathon anyway because it’s out doors is nonsense- 40,000 people through an expo, baggage/finish area, drink stations, 300,000 spectators is very different than Tom, Dick or Mary running around in small circles!!

    Look, It's tough time for everyone- I'm not looking for an online argument on this I just truly believe there is nothing wrong with people doing their virtual run within the guidelines as most of the runners I know will no doubt do. If there is need for pitch forks and torches there are far bigger targets in the covid blame game.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #279
    zefer
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭zefer


    I'm doing charity marathon distance this weekend (probably tomorrow looking at weather) and am not changing my route. I don't see the difference between me running within 5km of my house or 10km of my house (which is what I'm doing) when I'm outside and on my own. It makes no sense this 5km limit for exercise, none.

    Why when I've trained to run it this weekend should I delay till December as is suggested above and then have to train again for that date?


  • #280
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Murmuring that the Phoenix Park to have access limited over weekend


  • #281
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    zefer wrote: »
    I'm doing charity marathon distance this weekend (probably tomorrow looking at weather) and am not changing my route. I don't see the difference between me running within 5km of my house or 10km of my house (which is what I'm doing) when I'm outside and on my own. It makes no sense this 5km limit for exercise, none.

    Why when I've trained to run it this weekend should I delay till December as is suggested above and then have to train again for that date?


    Nice handy route planned for a soft pb eh?


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  • #282
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Anyone in the park this weekend running a marathon needs a shoe in the hole.
    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Ah right, charidee.
    Carry on so.
    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Nice handy route planned for a soft pb eh?

    You've really added so much to the debate :rolleyes:

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #283
    zefer
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭zefer


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Nice handy route planned for a soft pb eh?

    Sad sad sad

    I'm doing it, not for myself believe it or not, but for the charity that has had its funding decimated due to covid.


  • #284
    healy1835
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Any chance of getting this thread back on topic? There was a toxic enough thread at the start of the lockdown that might be a better place for much of the recent discussion.


  • #285
    TeaTotal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭TeaTotal


    I would say people that want to discuss the virtual marathon at the weekend should stay on the thread. People that want to discuss what is right and wrong should look for a thread on Covid-19 restrictions.


  • #286
    py
    Registered Users Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭py


    Here's the original thread on this stuff.


  • #287
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    zefer wrote: »
    Sad sad sad

    I'm doing it, not for myself believe it or not, but for the charity that has had its funding decimated due to covid.

    You've spelled charidee wrong mate.


  • #288
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    You've really added so much to the debate :rolleyes:

    Never said people shouldn't run it, just that anyone who does run it in the Phoenix Park will no doubt be breaking the rules of the restrictions given they are going to be covering the full area of the park.

    Also the Dublin Marathon elevation profile has 180m climbing minimum, so anyone giving out about having to change their handy local route to suit the new 5km limits has no doubt planned little or no elevation gains into their route.

    Suck it up lads, try running the trails for a change.


  • #289
    shotgunmcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Anyone used the App for a run yet? I hate carrying my phone on runs but will do so for this one this weekend. Do I need to set a specific 13.1 mile route or can I run 13.5-14 "to be sure, and the app will take the half marathon out of it?


  • #290
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    shotgunmcos wrote: »
    Anyone used the App for a run yet? I hate carrying my phone on runs but will do so for this one this weekend. Do I need to set a specific 13.1 mile route or can I run 13.5-14 "to be sure, and the app will take the half marathon out of it?

    Used it for a trail run a few weeks ago.

    No need to set a route, just run wherever you like, it will speak to you every mile and probably play a fanfare at you when you complete the distance.

    The distance it measures will likely be vastly different to what your Garmin will measure though.


  • #291
    zefer
    Registered Users Posts: 884 ✭✭✭zefer


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    You've spelled charidee wrong mate.

    I hope for their sake, nobody you care about has to rely on a charity to provide basic essential services like Speech & language etc if they have to depend on someone like you

    Anyway, on to the ignore list with you


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  • #292
    TeaTotal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭TeaTotal


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Never said people shouldn't run it, just that anyone who does run it in the Phoenix Park will no doubt be breaking the rules of the restrictions given they are going to be covering the full area of the park.

    Also the Dublin Marathon elevation profile has 180m climbing minimum, so anyone giving out about having to change their handy local route to suit the new 5km limits has no doubt planned little or no elevation gains into their route.

    Suck it up lads, try running the trails for a change.

    You have said your bit, now move along. Back to the Covid thread.


  • #293
    Slow_Runner
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Slow_Runner


    shotgunmcos wrote: »
    Anyone used the App for a run yet? I hate carrying my phone on runs but will do so for this one this weekend. Do I need to set a specific 13.1 mile route or can I run 13.5-14 "to be sure, and the app will take the half marathon out of it?

    I used it on a couple of long runs (20-22 miles), reckon with the phone you will need to add an extra 400-500m compared to the watch. I'm going to stick with the watch because it is more accurate (but mainly because I won't have to run as much :D)


  • #294
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Never said people shouldn't run it, just that anyone who does run it in the Phoenix Park will no doubt be breaking the rules of the restrictions given they are going to be covering the full area of the park.

    Also the Dublin Marathon elevation profile has 180m climbing minimum, so anyone giving out about having to change their handy local route to suit the new 5km limits has no doubt planned little or no elevation gains into their route.

    Suck it up lads, try running the trails for a change.

    Eh no

    I suggest you take a look at this mate

    https://2kmfromhome.com/


  • #295
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    TeaTotal wrote: »
    You have said your bit, now move along. Back to the Covid thread.

    And when did you graduate from Moderator University?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #296
    geodesic
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭geodesic


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    The point about holding the marathon anyway because it’s out doors is nonsense- 40,000 people through an expo, baggage/finish area, drink stations, 300,000 spectators is very different than Tom, Dick or Mary running around in small circles!!

    Just to be clear, my suggestion to actually go ahead with the real marathon event was a rhetorical, strawman-y thing.


  • #297
    Murph_D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,489 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    shotgunmcos wrote: »
    Anyone used the App for a run yet? I hate carrying my phone on runs but will do so for this one this weekend. Do I need to set a specific 13.1 mile route or can I run 13.5-14 "to be sure, and the app will take the half marathon out of it?

    Just used it today on a short run. It measured .06 of a mile shorter than my Garmin over 4.8 miles. Not very encouraging!


  • #298
    crisco10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭crisco10


    I used it on a 15.15km run last Saturday. And the App read 15.01km. So from a measurement perspective, it was within the margin of error. But given it was tucked away in the buggy pocket and it took my a while to dig it out etc. it was a bit of a trek to check.

    Hence, I'll start the App and fire it in the buggy but I'll be stopping based on my watch.


  • #299
    Unthought Known
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Unthought Known


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Just used it today on a short run. It measured .06 of a mile shorter than my Garmin over 4.8 miles. Not very encouraging!

    The London app did the same and for that my Garmin finished on 26.4 miles, pretty much the same distance as every marathon I've finished. It's almost like they've programmed it to simulate not running the racing line.


  • #300
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Unthought Known wrote: »
    The London app did the same and for that my Garmin finished on 26.4 miles, pretty much the same distance as every marathon I've finished. It's almost like they've programmed it to simulate not running the racing line.

    Of the people I know who ran London it was pretty rare to have the Garmin and app that close in measurement. Variations of up to a mile in either direction from what I've seen and a couple of people who it wouldn't work for at all.


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  • #301
    rizzee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭rizzee


    Best of luck to everyone running this weekend!


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