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ednwireland · 12-01-2021 10:19am

half the order from crc arrived yesterday no charges (well it was ordered before jan1st)

macapaca · 12-01-2021 11:19am

ednwireland wrote: »

half the order from crc arrived yesterday no charges (well it was ordered before jan1st)

Same. Fastway showed up- no charges. Ordered prior to the 1st so happy days.

G1032 · 12-01-2021 1:11pm

CRC order was delivered yesterday. No charges (but was ordered on 31st)
My order from Hambini from 6th Jan is out for delivery with An Post. No word yet about VAT charges but we'll see when they deliver.

On another note
Ordered a front derailleur from cyclesuperstore on Jan 4th. Trying to buy from Irish stores if prices are reasonable.
The derailleur was showing as in stock when I ordered it.
Mailed them yesterday to see where it was and they replied today telling me they are waiting on an order from Shimano to come in.
That's not good enough. Showing items as in stock when they're not so you won't bring your custom elsewhere. Bad business. Putting me right off ordering from them again, especially if it's something I need relatively urgently. :mad:

Lemon3 · 12-01-2021 1:52pm

On CRC today, if I change destination form UK to Ireland, i get a greatly reduced selection of bikes available. Selecting MTBs alone changes fro 163 to 33. Obviously most stuff is out of stock, but you cant even view it with Ireland selected. This seems to apply to other EU countries too.

The tax man · 12-01-2021 1:54pm

The cyclesuperstore website is a complete joke. Never believe anything it tells you. It's been the same for years, the amount of wasted journeys friends and myself have made to the store thinking they had stock of products is beyond a joke.
Luckily I worked around the corner from the shop so wasn't too bad but I pity the people that make longer journeys to the store only to find out they've fallen foul of that website.

G1032 · 12-01-2021 1:55pm

The tax man wrote: »

The cyclesuperstore website is a complete joke. Never believe anything it tells you. It's been the same for years, the amount of wasted journeys friends and myself have made to the store thinking they had stock of products is beyond a joke.
Luckily I worked around the corner from the shop so wasn't too bad but I pity the people that make longer journeys to the store only to find out they've fallen foul of that website.

Cheers! Never knew that. Lesson learned.

Macy0161 · 12-01-2021 3:25pm

G1032 wrote: »

Cheers! Never knew that. Lesson learned.

Me too, nearly pulled the trigger on service parts as they were "in stock" and posting. Will hang fire now!

Mr. Cats · 12-01-2021 3:29pm

CRC delivery today from Fastway. Ordered 2nd Jan and dispatched on 4th. No Vat. Value was €95.

seamus · 12-01-2021 3:32pm

The tax man wrote: »

The cyclesuperstore website is a complete joke. Never believe anything it tells you. It's been the same for years, the amount of wasted journeys friends and myself have made to the store thinking they had stock of products is beyond a joke.

Surprises me, cos the owner used to be absolutely fastidious about stock control. He had a proper computerised stock database as far back as 1995, which was rare for a relatively small shop.
If you built a bike and put it onto the shop floor before he gave you a stock tag for it, he'd go mad.

wpd · 12-01-2021 4:55pm

struggling to understand vat etc after brexit

if i order a bike from bowman cycles will i be charged VAT in the UK and then have to pay VAT on delivery
or should Bowman invoice me with no VAT to Irish address

help appreciated

thanks

triggermortis · 12-01-2021 5:03pm

wpd wrote: »

struggling to understand vat etc after brexit

if i order a bike from bowman cycles will i be charged VAT in the UK and then have to pay VAT on delivery
or should Bowman invoice me with no VAT to Irish address

help appreciated

thanks

I'm not sure about UK/Brexit tax but when I ordered my Rose, I was living in Switzerland and I didn't pay the German tax, just the Swiss one. Rose did this for me at source (saved me 9%, so I was delighted)

Tony04 · 12-01-2021 5:17pm

G1032 wrote: »

On another note
Ordered a front derailleur from cyclesuperstore on Jan 4th. Trying to buy from Irish stores if prices are reasonable.
The derailleur was showing as in stock when I ordered it.
Mailed them yesterday to see where it was and they replied today telling me they are waiting on an order from Shimano to come in.
That's not good enough. Showing items as in stock when they're not so you won't bring your custom elsewhere. Bad business. Putting me right off ordering from them again, especially if it's something I need relatively urgently. :mad:

Most LBSs should stock 10/11 speed front derailleurs if you need it urgently.
Tbf though supply systems for lbss are not great atm as wholesalers are mostly sold out.
Marrey bikes are good for next day delivery

lennymc · 12-01-2021 5:22pm

wpd wrote: »

struggling to understand vat etc after brexit

if i order a bike from bowman cycles will i be charged VAT in the UK and then have to pay VAT on delivery
or should Bowman invoice me with no VAT to Irish address

help appreciated

thanks

YMMV, caveat emptor and usual disclaimers apply - this is my interpretation of the rules.

Uk should not charge vat, and you will then be liable for irish vat. I would confirm that with Bowman first tho, as some UK companies have not looked into the intricacies of trade after brexit. If the frame is not produced in the UK, you may also be subject to rules of origin tariffs, which is about 14% on bike frames iirc.

Really, bowman should be able to answer you on the vat, but who knows on the rules of origin stuff. That comes down to where the tubing was manufactured, revenue, codes & percentages. it's a mess. A lot of the issues are that at the moment, things are imported to UK from outside of UK, where value is added, and then presented for exportation to the eu. Because of rules of origin, there needs to be a value add above a certain % for the item to be considered of UK oroigin, and hence tariff free. If the value add in UK is below the %, then the item is considered as imported from outside the EU/UK and the applicable tariff is charged.

UK used to be a hub for a lot of EU deliveries, where they would import things from outside of the bloc, and then distribute. This is no longer possible due to rules of origin, with the result that UK items cannot be moved freely throughout the EU. It's a mess (hence the supply chain issues, retailers not selling into/out of the uk, lack of food in some shops etc)

edit, so, it appears that bowman frames are made in Taiwan, which afaik, would attract a 14% tariff. The Bowman site says rest of world Price is 662.50 (ex taxes), with shipping of 25.

Rough calculations would suggest the following ball park cost for this frame shipped, and taxed including duty etc to Ireland.

662.50+25 converted to Euro is 770.30
add duty of 14% to give 878.14
add 21% VAT = 1062.55

So, if those calculations are correct (i think they are ball park, but again, im no expert), you could be hit with a bill of about 300 euros when the frame lands, covering vat & duties.

for reference, the current UK price is equivalent to about 890 euros, which would have been the price you would pay last year under the eu rules. It's about 17% more expensive to buy now (if my maths are correct)

G1032 · 12-01-2021 5:38pm

Tony04 wrote: »

Most LBSs should stock 10/11 speed front derailleurs if you need it urgently.
Tbf though supply systems for lbss are not great atm as wholesalers are mostly sold out.
Marrey bikes are good for next day delivery

I called to Marrey Bikes in person to buy the derailleur. It was showing as in stock there too. 30 minute drive to the shop only to be told they had no 11 speed derailleur in stock. I showed them the webpage detailing the derailleur in stock. "Well, we don't have any here"

I had actually intended giving them the bike to install it and see if they could have a look at another issue I was having with the bike. Had the bike in the shop with me. I was told before I left that even if they did have the derailleur they wouldn't fit it for me because the bike wasn't bought there.............. I've given them enough custom even if that particular bike wasn't bought there. Irish bike shops not doing themselves any favours lately it seems

In other news

my bearings arrived from Hambini. Customs declaration on the back. No vat charged. Happy days.

wpd · 12-01-2021 5:39pm

lennymc wrote: »

YMMV, caveat emptor and usual disclaimers apply - this is my interpretation of the rules.

Uk should not charge vat, and you will then be liable for irish vat. I would confirm that with Bowman first tho, as some UK companies have not looked into the intricacies of trade after brexit. If the frame is not produced in the UK, you may also be subject to rules of origin tariffs, which is about 14% on bike frames iirc.

Really, bowman should be able to answer you on the vat, but who knows on the rules of origin stuff. That comes down to where the tubing was manufactured, revenue, codes & percentages. it's a mess. A lot of the issues are that at the moment, things are imported to UK from outside of UK, where value is added, and then presented for exportation to the eu. Because of rules of origin, there needs to be a value add above a certain % for the item to be considered of UK oroigin, and hence tariff free. If the value add in UK is below the %, then the item is considered as imported from outside the EU/UK and the applicable tariff is charged.

UK used to be a hub for a lot of EU deliveries, where they would import things from outside of the bloc, and then distribute. This is no longer possible due to rules of origin, with the result that UK items cannot be moved freely throughout the EU. It's a mess (hence the supply chain issues, retailers not selling into/out of the uk, lack of food in some shops etc)

great thanks for the comprehensive answer

CramCycle · 12-01-2021 5:51pm

triggermortis wrote: »

I'm not sure about UK/Brexit tax but when I ordered my Rose, I was living in Switzerland and I didn't pay the German tax, just the Swiss one. Rose did this for me at source (saved me 9%, so I was delighted)

Once you are inside the EU this is standard practice for any business that is large enough, sometimes you get lucky and they are a small business and charge you the local VAT which is typically less than Ireland.

lennymc · 12-01-2021 5:55pm

wpd wrote: »

great thanks for the comprehensive answer

np - not sure if you saw, but i edited it to include a worked example of my understanding - would be interested to know if you go ahead with the order, and how it works out for you.

Planet X · 12-01-2021 5:57pm

I'm not answering the door or emails for the forseeable then.........:D:D

Bike arrived this arvo from CR/Wig.
Fastway.

Gave my son instructions to pay a certain amount of duties, set a ceiling, not to go above that amount or they can have the bike back.

Zero charge. Zero VAT / import tax whatever you want to call it.

Ordered Jan 1st.

(expecting some contact from authorities to be honest)

Planet X · 12-01-2021 7:01pm

Lemon3 wrote: »

On CRC today, if I change destination form UK to Ireland, i get a greatly reduced selection of bikes available. Selecting MTBs alone changes fro 163 to 33. Obviously most stuff is out of stock, but you cant even view it with Ireland selected. This seems to apply to other EU countries too.

Wow!
Just tried that.......everything in stock it seems compared to the Irish setting. All the bikes there.

rodneyTrotter. · 12-01-2021 10:03pm

seamus wrote: »

Surprises me, cos the owner used to be absolutely fastidious about stock control. He had a proper computerised stock database as far back as 1995, which was rare for a relatively small shop.
If you built a bike and put it onto the shop floor before he gave you a stock tag for it, he'd go mad.

Is that ray ? - haven’t seen him in ages - they usually have a lot of staff there so surprised they can’t get it right . I’ll say something though that 12.5% has worked out handy in the past on a couple of rothar I bought .

letape · 13-01-2021 2:47am

CramCycle wrote: »

Once you are inside the EU this is standard practice for any business that is large enough, sometimes you get lucky and they are a small business and charge you the local VAT which is typically less than Ireland.

No I think in the case you commented on the bike was being sold to triggermortis in Switzerland, outside the EU and Rose charged him the Swiss vat as opposed the the German rate.

From my experience, most German retailers apply German vat when selling to other countries in the EU.

CramCycle · 13-01-2021 9:15am

letape wrote: »

No I think in the case you commented on the bike was being sold to triggermortis in Switzerland, outside the EU and Rose charged him the Swiss vat as opposed the the German rate.

From my experience, most German retailers apply German vat when selling to other countries in the EU.

Missed the Swiss bit. Rose and Bike Components both apply Irish VAT to any of my orders in the last year, my understanding is that over a certain amount of business you have to apply the local EU VAT amount if shipping to that country

ted1 · 13-01-2021 10:18am

letape wrote: »

No I think in the case you commented on the bike was being sold to triggermortis in Switzerland, outside the EU and Rose charged him the Swiss vat as opposed the the German rate.

From my experience, most German retailers apply German vat when selling to other countries in the EU.

any company selling over 70k in to Ireland must register for and charge Irish VAT.

Hurrache · 13-01-2021 10:24am

ted1 wrote: »

any company selling over 70k in to Ireland must register for and charge Irish VAT.

Microsoft seemed that have either slipped that requirement, or made a mess of their implementation.

barrabus · 13-01-2021 1:58pm

if you purchase from a NI website such as MCCovney Cycles. are you liable for import or other other charges.

G1032 · 13-01-2021 2:53pm

barrabus wrote: »

if you purchase from a NI website such as MCCovney Cycles. are you liable for import or other other charges.

I don't think so

Planet X · 13-01-2021 5:46pm

Someone let us know when German sites are back posting to Ireland please.

Cheers.

CheGuedara · 13-01-2021 11:01pm

Planet X wrote: »

Someone let us know when German sites are back posting to Ireland please.

Cheers.

DHL are supposed to be resuming freight to Ireland tomorrow so there's a chance the sites could be back to happily taking our money soon

iwillhtfu · 13-01-2021 11:15pm

Bike discount seem to be accepting orders for Ireland. I didn't go through with the order but I got as far as the confirmation page and DPD were listed as couriers for the usual €9.99

CheGuedara · 14-01-2021 10:17am

CheGuedara wrote: »

DHL are supposed to be resuming freight to Ireland tomorrow so there's a chance the sites could be back to happily taking our money soon

Bike24 is back in the game

smacl · 14-01-2021 12:09pm

Planet X wrote: »

Someone let us know when German sites are back posting to Ireland please.

Cheers.

Bike-discount certainly are. Also got stuff delivered from amazon.de this week, took 9 working days FWIW.

CramCycle · 14-01-2021 12:24pm

I got a bike components delivery this week, about 7 days door to door, arrive via An Post via DHL. DHL hold it for a few days to presumably fill a plane but no real major delay.

victor201 · 14-01-2021 2:48pm

Waiting on disc rotors from pro bikekit ,in DPD sortation depot( presume in uk) since the 8th ,hopefully arrive soon and without any extra costs added

Planet X · 14-01-2021 4:09pm

bike24.com ........cheaper than CR (for some items)

Bought a pair of tyres and tubes and, incl. the €10 postage, still cheaper. Delivery is good, no fannying about.
German efficiency.....I grudgingly agree with in this instance. :pac::pac::pac:

I'll have a slice.

ardcat · 14-01-2021 10:15pm

A couple of buying experiences since late November. Placed order with bike24 27th Nov for items that declared quantity stock (caught out with 1 item in stock a few times with bike24). Acknowledgement slow then shipping email 17 Dec by DPD. Enjoyed Christmas and New Years eve in former E German centre and finally delivered Tuesday Jan 5th. 3rd recent incidence of tardy shipping of “in stock” items from bike24 so won be ordering unless I’m absolutely stuck.

Ordered helmet last Friday from lordgun.com an Italian website I’ve used before. Quick, honest information (free delivery but with An Post and informed info regarding their delays). Went with Fedex, which would not be my favoured shipper arrived this morning €10.

Ordered from starbike.com, a list of unusual stuff (CX Ray spokes, White Industries hubs) that only bike24 could normally possibly supply. Usual they’re a bit slow but this time 2 day response from order to shipping info. Lets see how long it takes.

None of the usual UK websites are offering supply NETT of VAT so won’t be relying on them until they update their sites.

macapaca · 14-01-2021 10:35pm

Ordered from Merlin end of Dec and still not arrived. Previous orders showed on Fedex as shipping from NL.

Latest order departed Basildon Dec 30th and still no sign. Merlin basically telling me to wait because of know delays and should show up soon. 2 weeks a bit much though.

Anyone else received from them over last 2 weeks

jimm · 15-01-2021 3:03pm

SJS https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/ not delivering to Ireland

"Sorry, but we are unable to deliver to your delivery address on the web site. Please try a different address or contact our customer care team"

Shame, as it was always my go-to site for small parts unavailable elsewhere.

Macy0161 · 15-01-2021 4:04pm

jimm wrote: »

SJS https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/ not delivering to Ireland

"Sorry, but we are unable to deliver to your delivery address on the web site. Please try a different address or contact our customer care team"

Shame, as it was always my go-to site for small parts unavailable elsewhere.

Me too, and if my project bike ever gets moving I was planning on using them. I guess I still could, via addresspal, for small bits.

lennymc · 15-01-2021 4:14pm

i think my strategy for dealing with brexit is to completely bypass the uk for pretty much everything now, which is a shame, but aint nobody got time to be worrying how much duty you may or may not be charged on something that may or may not turn up eventually....

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GlennaMaddy · 15-01-2021 4:29pm

lennymc wrote: »

i think my strategy for dealing with brexit is to completely bypass the uk for pretty much everything now, ...

That was my strategy too, but my Alltricks order from Paris is now in Eindhoven NL, thanks to DPD, and I got a DPD UK notification when it arrived there, so it looks like its going via the UK next, but hopefully avoiding duty when it arrives in IE. I've another CRC order stuck in customs too. I did try buying local online first but couldn't get what I wanted here

ednwireland · 15-01-2021 4:39pm

see how good bike components are now just thrown an order In for stuff no bike shop in Ireland appeared to have in stock

lennymc · 15-01-2021 4:47pm

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

That was my strategy too, but my Alltricks order from Paris is now in Eindhoven NL, thanks to DPD, and I got a DPD UK notification when it arrived there, so it looks like its going via the UK next, but hopefully avoiding duty when it arrives in IE. I've another CRC order stuck in customs too. I did try buying local online first but couldn't get what I wanted here

you shouldn't be charged any duty etc as the order originated within the eu, and will be delivered to the EU.

D13exile · 15-01-2021 5:59pm

Bike24 won't ship many items to Ireland. Plus there's a long wait time on some items. The Tacx antares rollers are 22 weeks delivery!!!!!

Perhaps we need a dedicated thread for bike shops outside the UK post Brexit. I've used Mantel and Deporvillage in the past. There should be others who have good prices and just as importantly, short delivery times.

TGD · 15-01-2021 7:22pm

smacl wrote: »

Bike-discount certainly are. Also got stuff delivered from amazon.de this week, took 9 working days FWIW.

I am looking at Amazon.de for non-bike related stuff as an alternative to UK. I see what I want but the source is actually China. If I purchase it via Amazon.de is it a EU transatction or am I subject to customs and VAT from China do you know?

I guess we will all have to 'build new supply chains'!

G1032 · 15-01-2021 7:42pm

Since Brexit I've had inner gear cables and DA housing ordered from England.
I had Jagwire cable liners ordered from England.
I had a top ordered from Victory Chimp.
I've had BB bearings ordered from England.
I had a few bits ordered from CRC on Dec 31st.

All these have arrived safe and sound with no taxes.

On Jan 4th I placed an order with CSS. It's the only order I've placed since Brexit that hasn't arrived. The only order I placed with an Irish shop. Why bother trying to support local when that's the service offered. Mailed them this morning asking for a refund and to cancel the order altogether. Needless to say I got no reply.

Fann Linn · 15-01-2021 7:52pm

G1032 wrote: »

Since Brexit I've had inner gear cables and DA housing ordered from England.
I had Jagwire cable liners ordered from England.
I had a top ordered from Victory Chimp.
I've had BB bearings ordered from England.
I had a few bits ordered from CRC on Dec 31st.

All these have arrived safe and sound with no taxes.

On Jan 4th I placed an order with CSS. It's the only order I've placed since Brexit that hasn't arrived. The only order I placed with an Irish shop. Why bother trying to support local when that's the service offered. Mailed them this morning asking for a refund and to cancel the order altogether. Needless to say I got no reply.

I'd be prepared to give them a break. It's only two weeks into this and there are delays everywhere. On the Motoring forum there are lads over there looking for car parts in order to pass NCTs and they're in the same position. Suppliers here awaiting stock from UK & the EU.

I've a parcel sitting in Oirschot NL since last Monday. Price was good for package and delivery so I'll give them another week before I start beginning to raise the blood pressure.

CramCycle · 15-01-2021 10:19pm

Started a lost parcel claim with CRC. More fool me for breaking my rule and ordering from them. I could have gotten the item from bike components for only the difference in postage and I wish I had. Never again. Fastway claim its sitting in my shop beside work, the shop owner had some choice words about Fastway. They have simply a pile of parcels in the corner of the shop, no scan in, scan out he just hands it to people as they ask. Never again. At this point I hope they don't find the parcel and refund me the money.

D13exile · 16-01-2021 10:15am

I also tried to shop local post Brexit and I ordered some bar end lights and a new front light from eurocycles in Dublin, all of which were allegedly “in stock” when I placed the order on the 2nd. No sign of it arriving by yesterday and so I emailed them and was told they were awaiting delivery from their suppliers in the UK, of items that were said to be “in stock” when I ordered them two weeks ago. Funny how they can take your money immediately but then take their time handing over your purchased goods. Makes you think back fondly of the days before online shopping when you could walk in to a shop, pay your money and walk out with the stuff you wanted.

iwillhtfu · 16-01-2021 10:32am

I tried the shopping local thing this week for a front light for the gravel bike, it was more so because I had a one4all voucher than actually avoiding brexit issues. You'd think this time of year there'd be a good selection in stock but nope. I actually think Halfords had more in stock than some places and when I asked I was told they could order something in but there's bad delays at the minute.

I ended up ordering from cyclesuperstore a light which should be ok but I'd rather something else. Also bought a few other bits to wipe out the voucher but I was surprised at the amount of things out of stock.

Planet X · 16-01-2021 1:35pm

I must say......the tracking info from dhl.de is really sharp.

Just back from Joe Daly's. Picked up a Cateye Mounting bracket, the Flextight ones. That worked out perfectly as well. I "Messenger'd" the shop this morning and got a swift reply, in stock. Cycled over and got sorted. Great service also!

(Hollingsworth also replied to a FB Messenger very promptly)

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