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  • #1452
    pinkdoubleeagle
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭pinkdoubleeagle


    Ollieboy wrote: »
    I see comments today that it’s unlikely schools will open in February. Not really a surprise but disappointing to hear because I think schools will need to be open for us to have any chance.

    I’m hoping schools might reopen and get recalled after mid term in February, allowing golf to get back at the start of March and I think that’s the best outcome.

    I would take March but it most likely will be later. Varadkar indicated that retail won't open until April. If that is the case, No chance will they open Golf


  • #1453
    Frisbee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,569 ✭✭✭✭Frisbee


    Yeah can see them keeping as much as possible closed beyond Paddys Day to avoid the shít show that would be. So I'd say end of March / start of April before golf is allowed.


  • #1454
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    It'll be a phased reopening of the country. Golf will be back before the pubs I'm sure.

    I'd be confident we won't be back at the start of February. If I had to guess, I'd say we'll be opening up early March. That's based on nothing, it's a pure guess.


  • #1455
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    I thought I saw Leo suggest most businesses would remain closed until March so would assume that would include golf. What will be interesting is the GAA inevitably starting to moan like they did last time once cases start to go down. I can see them lobbying to allow training in mid-february if case numbers start to drop down to low 100s, if that happens and the government gives in we could see an earlier opening but I think March is the likeliest opening time.


  • #1456
    rickis tache
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭rickis tache


    My guess would be april after the bank holiday at Easter.


  • #1457
    willabur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭willabur


    Lefty2Guns wrote: »
    Was considering investing in a PS5 to play this golf game as the graphics look unreal. Your message above is definitely sealing the deal. Thanks.

    graphics really haven't progressed that much since the tiger woods golf sims

    I have 2k21 golf on stadia which can run up to 4k resolution, much smaller cost up front tho the online community side of it is very quiet


  • #1458
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    willabur wrote: »
    graphics really haven't progressed that much since the tiger woods golf sims

    I have 2k21 golf on stadia which can run up to 4k resolution, much smaller cost up front tho the online community side of it is very quiet

    To avoid off topic stuff, thread already here; https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058107033

    Also, 2k21 is average graphics at best. I'm playing on PS5 and have it for PC too, it looks better on my gaming PC imo. Definitely wouldn't buy a PS5 just for PGA 2k21.


  • #1459
    ClutchIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭ClutchIt


    rickis tache wrote: »
    My guess would be april after the bank holiday at Easter.

    Oh no.... Lot of people saying March / Apr. You're probably right too.
    I was hoping Feb until reading these comment :(


  • #1460
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    If non essential retail is not open until April and Varadkar said as much the other day there is no chance golf will be allowed open.


  • #1461
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    If non essential retail is not open until April and Varadkar said as much the other day there is no chance golf will be allowed open.

    Yeah its beginning to look like the first few months are a write off isn't it.
    I suppose the only crumb is you can usually take what Leo says with a pinch of salt so maybe all's not lost yet !

    Maybe we'll open up the same weekend as The Masters :D


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  • #1462
    macslash
    Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭macslash


    CowboyTed wrote: »
    The best console (PS4 or xbox) golf game called The Golf Club 2K21.

    Do you mean PGA Tour 2k21?


  • #1463
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Lefty2Guns wrote: »
    Was considering investing in a PS5 to play this golf game as the graphics look unreal. Your message above is definitely sealing the deal. Thanks.

    PS5 are like hen teeth at the moment.

    PS4 is sold out as well , I say due to lockdown.

    My advice is to buy a second hand one for about 200 (slim) or 300 (pro) and play... End of lock down or later you can sell for close for what you bought it. Game only costs €30...

    Game hasn't been updated for PS5 yet. So PS4 and PS5 not a huge difference...


  • #1464
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ivefoundgod wrote: »
    To avoid off topic stuff, thread already here; https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058107033

    Also, 2k21 is average graphics at best. I'm playing on PS5 and have it for PC too, it looks better on my gaming PC imo. Definitely wouldn't buy a PS5 just for PGA 2k21.

    I played a game called WGT online on and off over the years. (nothing close to the real thing mind)
    It's free to join and play, and you don't need an expensive console to play.
    Would highly recommend:
    https://www.wgt.com/

    Again - nothing can compare with the real thing but for the price this is a great game.


  • #1465
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Ivefoundgod wrote: »
    I thought I saw Leo suggest most businesses would remain closed until March so would assume that would include golf. What will be interesting is the GAA inevitably starting to moan like they did last time once cases start to go down. I can see them lobbying to allow training in mid-february if case numbers start to drop down to low 100s, if that happens and the government gives in we could see an earlier opening but I think March is the likeliest opening time.

    Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

    I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year


  • #1466
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    macslash wrote: »
    Do you mean PGA Tour 2k21?

    Yep... Sorry got mixed up with predecessor The Golf Club 2019


  • #1467
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    slingerz wrote: »
    Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

    I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year

    Has that been announced? Not that it matters with all the counties getting caught already breaking the rules.

    Hard to know but I think you could be right about paddy's day still being closed, maybe early April is more realistic.


  • #1468
    londonred
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭londonred


    This looks good for indoor golf

    https://www.bechape.com/products/g1?fbclid=IwAR19Dm5oNxh7MZxk1BtEHpVU-JyxAfQYUiMK5zJwA8CiTqEMtHXjDsDfnsI


  • #1469
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    slingerz wrote: »
    Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

    I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year

    If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
    Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
    There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.


  • #1470
    Ollieboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
    Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
    There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.

    I think some clubs will struggle with cash flow at the start of the year but I still think people will sign up because there is no choice. It’s also not as easy to move at clubs,all decent or popular clubs are full. We’ve a massive waiting list and I’ve not seen that since 2008. People on this list are willing to pay now to guarantee entrance.

    If clubs didn’t reopen till 1 st April with no members I reckon they would make more on green fees with less traffic. Green fees and society rates are going up and we have removed them from our timesheet because members demand is so high.

    I just can’t see any other sports getting back this year besides tennis and golf. I think clubs are in a strong position but I also think some will struggle depending on product and location.

    But the longer this goes on the more difficult it will be.


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  • #1471
    Bill Ponderosa
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Bill Ponderosa


    First game back will be so sweet.

    I won't be taking getting out for 4 hours of golf on a weekend morning for granted again.


  • #1472
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Pretty torn myself on things at the moment. Haven't paid sub yet. Hard to know what to do with a club in a different county


  • #1473
    Golfhead65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Golfhead65


    Lisheen only up the road from you Space


  • #1474
    billy3sheets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    If we don't get back until April and say we have decent playing months up to September, that's 6 months. For say an annual sub of 1200 for a 7 day member in the Dublin area (and that's the cheaper end), it's about 200 per month. For the weekend golfer, playing every weekend, comes to about 50 per round and that's not including weekends missed for holidays and other reasons. That's expensive golf and for many, it will not represent value for them.

    As regards society golf, yes many clubs in the Dublin area are now no longer taking societies at weekends. Other clubs have raised their prices so that it becomes more attractive to travel outside of Dublin for better value. This makes society golf more expensive and less attractive and coupled with pubs being closed will reduce the size of and threaten the survival of some societies. Clubs which have decided that they don't need or can't accommodate societies risk losing this revenue stream when the current membership demand abates.


  • #1475
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
    Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
    There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.

    I think clubs will put out invoices for payment but may find them slow to come in. For me, golf is March to Sept anyway so I’m not missing out much


  • #1476
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Golfhead65 wrote: »
    Lisheen only up the road from you Space

    Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?


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  • #1477
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?

    i know someone who went there and i think the consensus is that ultimately they won't be staying.


  • #1478
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Will driving ranges be open before courses ?


  • #1479
    Golfhead65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Golfhead65


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?
    You will always get on timesheet even through waiting list, the problem before was that anyone booking in could book 3 other people in on the line thus closing it to everyone else. This practice has now been stopped and you can only book yourself and 1 other, obviously with no golf atm we can't see how well it's going to work but I think it will make a big difference.. Yes they took on a lot of new members during last lockdown and a lot were so called pay and play membership and thus clogged up timesheets. These type of memberships are now closed and they have been encouraged to go either 5 day or full as the price per round has been increased so the value is not there. Alan M of our postcode joined last year and having played with him a bit since he joined and we partnered in Barton Cup, he is very happy up there and was delighted as a newbie to have been picked on a few interclub teams


  • #1480
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Before the last lockdown they had changed the rules to be you could cross the county border for your home club. If they keep that rule, will definitely stick to my own club


  • #1481
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    Golfhead65 wrote: »
    You will always get on timesheet even through waiting list, the problem before was that anyone booking in could book 3 other people in on the line thus closing it to everyone else. This practice has now been stopped and you can only book yourself and 1 other, obviously with no golf atm we can't see how well it's going to work but I think it will make a big difference.. Yes they took on a lot of new members during last lockdown and a lot were so called pay and play membership and thus clogged up timesheets. These type of memberships are now closed and they have been encouraged to go either 5 day or full as the price per round has been increased so the value is not there. Alan M of our postcode joined last year and having played with him a bit since he joined and we partnered in Barton Cup, he is very happy up there and was delighted as a newbie to have been picked on a few interclub teams

    There will be a couple of years of correction in golf clubs from Covid's effect on golf. On the one hand, clubs have lost huge revenue from being closed. On the other clubs have taken in heaps of new members. I imagine gradually the numbers playing will drop and the amount each person is playing will decline. But I still think over the next couple of years we'll see timesheets far busier than they used to be. A lot who took up golf will keep it up, there will be very few foreign holidays this year, people might not be able to resume their other hobbies as quickly.

    But clubs needed more members and will need to catch up on revenue to recover, so I think we'll just need to grin and bear it for a couple of years. But I'd say if people are looking for clubs with lots of space on the timesheets they'll struggle. And if you find one you should ask yourself why!


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  • #1482
    gypsy79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    The leaky leaky leak machine is hinting at JUNE reopening

    Time for people to stand up to this BS

    Old people die. I possibly only have a few years of healthy living remaining. I dont want to be locked away for them


  • #1483
    ClutchIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭ClutchIt


    not yet wrote: »
    Will driving ranges be open before courses ?

    No. They lockdown rules are the same as the golf course.


  • #1484
    Bill Ponderosa
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Bill Ponderosa


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    The leaky leaky leak machine is hinting at JUNE reopening

    Time for people to stand up to this BS

    Old people die. I possibly only have a few years of healthy living remaining. I dont want to be locked away for them

    Who's the Leaky machine is that varadker?


  • #1485
    Pdoghue
    Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    gypsy79 wrote: »

    Old people die. I possibly only have a few years of healthy living remaining. I dont want to be locked away for them

    Explain that rationale if you would please.


  • #1486
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    Explain that rationale if you would please.

    Is this not our anti-vax/lockdown friend from the last time? Wouldn't waste your time.


  • #1487
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,590 ✭✭✭blue note


    I was going to ask here if anyone was hearing any leaks. I suspect the truth is that no-one knows what the plan to reopen golf is. So I won't react to the June reopening because I'd say there's no truth to it. And to be honest I'd say it's a long way off the mark.

    My money is still on march for golf to start back. It could be some form of restricted golf. My hope is that it's no green fees / opens because that's the only one that makes any real sense to me. But they'll have to start reopening things at some stage. And I'd say golf will be pretty early on.


  • #1488
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    The leaky leaky leak machine is hinting at JUNE reopening

    Time for people to stand up to this BS

    Old people die. I possibly only have a few years of healthy living remaining. I dont want to be locked away for them

    While we all want to be back playing as soon as is reasonable there is no way the current restrictions will be in place until June, absolutely no way.


  • #1489
    gypsy79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    I would hope given the restrictions we were supposed be released into in December that golf will be allowed at first re-opening

    Our government work by leaking to papers and then judging reaction. Expect many more leaks via newspapers over next couple of weeks


  • #1490
    gypsy79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    Explain that rationale if you would please.

    Old people die. QALY should be the measure used to make decisions

    I have stage 4 cancer. I want to live the last years of my life


  • #1491
    Ollieboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    I think the situation is so bad nobody is even discussing reopen anything yet.

    I’m expecting the situation to be extend for another 3 weeks and that will bring us to the end of the school midterm. Until then it’s all guessing but new cases aren’t dropping enough so people need to kop on.

    On positive news it seems manufacturing of vaccines is happening faster then expected and once we get 30% vaccine the death rate should drop by 90% because this will be most vulnerable people.


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  • #1492
    Macker1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Macker1


    The quicker the vaccine rollout happens the quicker the country will start re-opening and golf will be early in that given its outdoor nature.


  • #1493
    gypsy79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Ollieboy wrote: »
    I’m expecting the situation to be extend for another 3 weeks and that will bring us to the end of the school midterm. Until then it’s all guessing but new cases aren’t dropping enough so people need to kop on.

    How can you be taken seriously after saying that. They are dropping very very fast.

    Jan 8 (5 day case average) - 6799
    Jan 14 (5 day case average) - 4466
    Jan 20 (5 day case average) - 2556

    That implies an R rate around 0.6

    So if that continues, then around Feb 1st (in 12 days) the case number should be below 1000. I calc it as 920.


  • #1494
    twounderpar
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭twounderpar


    Simon Coveney told Fine Gael party tonight that lockdown measures will be reviewed again at the end of February and that there is no
    expectation of any substantive reopening of economy before April. He said that the slower than expected decline in case numbers and
    pressure on the health service were the reasons why this lockdown will be with us for some time yet.


  • #1495
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    How can you be taken seriously after saying that. They are dropping very very fast.

    Jan 8 (5 day case average) - 6799
    Jan 14 (5 day case average) - 4466
    Jan 20 (5 day case average) - 2556

    That implies an R rate around 0.6

    So if that continues, then around Feb 1st (in 12 days) the case number should be below 1000. I calc it as 920.

    Would be great to see less than 1000 cases a day before Feb. However I think the numbers in hospital and ICU, availability of beds and the associated lag will also come into play. It won't just be the daily headline case numbers that will dictate policy.


  • #1496
    bailey99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭bailey99


    Lockdown four weeks for all of February. At the end of February they will ask for 4 more weeks and then start reopening after Easter. There's no opening and then another lockdown.

    This is the last lockdown but it's gonna be 12 weeks.

    You really think they are gonna reopen golf before schools fully open? Or when there's a thousand cases a day??? Get real.


  • #1497
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    bailey99 wrote: »
    Lockdown four weeks for all of February. At the end of February they will ask for 4 more weeks and then start reopening after Easter. There's no opening and then another lockdown.

    This is the last lockdown but it's gonna be 12 weeks.

    You really think they are gonna reopen golf before schools fully open? Or when there's a thousand cases a day??? Get real.

    Golf (and schools) have been open with 1000 cases a day - so as a figure on it's own it would be plausible. However based on the other key numbers it's not likely to happen this time out.


  • #1498
    bailey99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭bailey99


    There is no way in hell they are opening up and a few weeks later going back into lockdown.

    Easter Sunday is 4th April. All the signs and indicators point to lockdown til then.


  • #1499
    redzerdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    I cant see any reduction in restrictions until we hitting less than 300 cases per day


  • #1500
    bailey99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭bailey99


    redzerdrog wrote: »
    I cant see any reduction in restrictions until we hitting less than 300 cases per day

    Agreed.


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  • #1501
    Ollieboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    How can you be taken seriously after saying that. They are dropping very very fast.

    Jan 8 (5 day case average) - 6799
    Jan 14 (5 day case average) - 4466
    Jan 20 (5 day case average) - 2556

    That implies an R rate around 0.6

    So if that continues, then around Feb 1st (in 12 days) the case number should be below 1000. I calc it as 920.

    I see you left the increase out from the 19th to the 20th....

    How does that look like in your calculations come 1st Feb?

    What you really need to work your figures off his the number of weekly tests by positive rate. Test numbers have dropped very little, thankfully the positive rate is coming down.

    You also need to examine the other data coming from GPs in relation to referrals plus the increase rate of other variants in testing. The other variants will increase the numbers over time as it spreads, I believe it’s roughly only 50% of positive tests at the moment and as that increases it will make numbers harder to fall without people fulling buy-in to lockdown.

    Of course you will see a drop from 8000 but go back to the last lockdown and see how the numbers stopped dropping at a certain level.

    I don’t actually disagree that we will get back to 1000, but that’s still roughly 20 deaths a day.

    I personally can’t except that!


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