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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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gypsy79

The leaky leaky leak machine is hinting at JUNE reopening

Time for people to stand up to this BS

Old people die. I possibly only have a few years of healthy living remaining. I dont want to be locked away for them

blue note

Golfhead65 wrote: »

You will always get on timesheet even through waiting list, the problem before was that anyone booking in could book 3 other people in on the line thus closing it to everyone else. This practice has now been stopped and you can only book yourself and 1 other, obviously with no golf atm we can't see how well it's going to work but I think it will make a big difference.. Yes they took on a lot of new members during last lockdown and a lot were so called pay and play membership and thus clogged up timesheets. These type of memberships are now closed and they have been encouraged to go either 5 day or full as the price per round has been increased so the value is not there. Alan M of our postcode joined last year and having played with him a bit since he joined and we partnered in Barton Cup, he is very happy up there and was delighted as a newbie to have been picked on a few interclub teams

There will be a couple of years of correction in golf clubs from Covid's effect on golf. On the one hand, clubs have lost huge revenue from being closed. On the other clubs have taken in heaps of new members. I imagine gradually the numbers playing will drop and the amount each person is playing will decline. But I still think over the next couple of years we'll see timesheets far busier than they used to be. A lot who took up golf will keep it up, there will be very few foreign holidays this year, people might not be able to resume their other hobbies as quickly.

But clubs needed more members and will need to catch up on revenue to recover, so I think we'll just need to grin and bear it for a couple of years. But I'd say if people are looking for clubs with lots of space on the timesheets they'll struggle. And if you find one you should ask yourself why!

spacecoyote

Before the last lockdown they had changed the rules to be you could cross the county border for your home club. If they keep that rule, will definitely stick to my own club

Golfhead65

spacecoyote wrote: »

Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?

You will always get on timesheet even through waiting list, the problem before was that anyone booking in could book 3 other people in on the line thus closing it to everyone else. This practice has now been stopped and you can only book yourself and 1 other, obviously with no golf atm we can't see how well it's going to work but I think it will make a big difference.. Yes they took on a lot of new members during last lockdown and a lot were so called pay and play membership and thus clogged up timesheets. These type of memberships are now closed and they have been encouraged to go either 5 day or full as the price per round has been increased so the value is not there. Alan M of our postcode joined last year and having played with him a bit since he joined and we partnered in Barton Cup, he is very happy up there and was delighted as a newbie to have been picked on a few interclub teams

not yet

Will driving ranges be open before courses ?

Seve OB

spacecoyote wrote: »

Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?

i know someone who went there and i think the consensus is that ultimately they won't be staying.

spacecoyote

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Lisheen only up the road from you Space

Is it open for new membership Golfhead? Also they took on crazy numbers last year didnt they, how were timesheets holding up?

slingerz

Roger_007 wrote: »

If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.

I think clubs will put out invoices for payment but may find them slow to come in. For me, golf is March to Sept anyway so I’m not missing out much

billy3sheets

If we don't get back until April and say we have decent playing months up to September, that's 6 months. For say an annual sub of 1200 for a 7 day member in the Dublin area (and that's the cheaper end), it's about 200 per month. For the weekend golfer, playing every weekend, comes to about 50 per round and that's not including weekends missed for holidays and other reasons. That's expensive golf and for many, it will not represent value for them.

As regards society golf, yes many clubs in the Dublin area are now no longer taking societies at weekends. Other clubs have raised their prices so that it becomes more attractive to travel outside of Dublin for better value. This makes society golf more expensive and less attractive and coupled with pubs being closed will reduce the size of and threaten the survival of some societies. Clubs which have decided that they don't need or can't accommodate societies risk losing this revenue stream when the current membership demand abates.

Golfhead65

Lisheen only up the road from you Space

spacecoyote

Pretty torn myself on things at the moment. Haven't paid sub yet. Hard to know what to do with a club in a different county

Bill Ponderosa

First game back will be so sweet.

I won't be taking getting out for 4 hours of golf on a weekend morning for granted again.

Ollieboy

Roger_007 wrote: »

If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.

I think some clubs will struggle with cash flow at the start of the year but I still think people will sign up because there is no choice. It’s also not as easy to move at clubs,all decent or popular clubs are full. We’ve a massive waiting list and I’ve not seen that since 2008. People on this list are willing to pay now to guarantee entrance.

If clubs didn’t reopen till 1 st April with no members I reckon they would make more on green fees with less traffic. Green fees and society rates are going up and we have removed them from our timesheet because members demand is so high.

I just can’t see any other sports getting back this year besides tennis and golf. I think clubs are in a strong position but I also think some will struggle depending on product and location.

But the longer this goes on the more difficult it will be.

Roger_007

slingerz wrote: »

Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year

If we are closed until Paddy’s day clubs are going to struggle to get in annual subs. My own club’s renewal date is 1st Jan but most people don’t normally pay until late Jan or Feb. Last year most subs were paid before the lockdown. If there is any talk that clubs could be closed this year until well into the year it would be hard for some people to justify paying their subs at all.
Apart from annual subs, clubs are suffering from loss of income from competition fees, green fees, societies etc. but still have all the usual outgoings.
There could be tough times ahead on the financial front.

londonred

This looks good for indoor golf

https://www.bechape.com/products/g1?fbclid=IwAR19Dm5oNxh7MZxk1BtEHpVU-JyxAfQYUiMK5zJwA8CiTqEMtHXjDsDfnsI

Ivefoundgod

slingerz wrote: »

Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year

Has that been announced? Not that it matters with all the counties getting caught already breaking the rules.

Hard to know but I think you could be right about paddy's day still being closed, maybe early April is more realistic.

CowboyTed

macslash wrote: »

Do you mean PGA Tour 2k21?

Yep... Sorry got mixed up with predecessor The Golf Club 2019

slingerz

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I thought I saw Leo suggest most businesses would remain closed until March so would assume that would include golf. What will be interesting is the GAA inevitably starting to moan like they did last time once cases start to go down. I can see them lobbying to allow training in mid-february if case numbers start to drop down to low 100s, if that happens and the government gives in we could see an earlier opening but I think March is the likeliest opening time.

Elite GAA training will be allowed in February and clubs are after IC this year so there will be less pressure.

I think Paddy’s Day could still see courses closed. My home course can be quite soft so I wouldn’t be missing out terribly much in that. Rather it closed this time of year than April/May/June like last year

kippy

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

To avoid off topic stuff, thread already here; https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058107033

Also, 2k21 is average graphics at best. I'm playing on PS5 and have it for PC too, it looks better on my gaming PC imo. Definitely wouldn't buy a PS5 just for PGA 2k21.

I played a game called WGT online on and off over the years. (nothing close to the real thing mind)
It's free to join and play, and you don't need an expensive console to play.
Would highly recommend:
https://www.wgt.com/

Again - nothing can compare with the real thing but for the price this is a great game.

CowboyTed

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Was considering investing in a PS5 to play this golf game as the graphics look unreal. Your message above is definitely sealing the deal. Thanks.

PS5 are like hen teeth at the moment.

PS4 is sold out as well , I say due to lockdown.

My advice is to buy a second hand one for about 200 (slim) or 300 (pro) and play... End of lock down or later you can sell for close for what you bought it. Game only costs €30...

Game hasn't been updated for PS5 yet. So PS4 and PS5 not a huge difference...

macslash

CowboyTed wrote: »

The best console (PS4 or xbox) golf game called The Golf Club 2K21.

Do you mean PGA Tour 2k21?

Russman

Whiplash85 wrote: »

If non essential retail is not open until April and Varadkar said as much the other day there is no chance golf will be allowed open.

Yeah its beginning to look like the first few months are a write off isn't it.
I suppose the only crumb is you can usually take what Leo says with a pinch of salt so maybe all's not lost yet !

Maybe we'll open up the same weekend as The Masters

Whiplash85

If non essential retail is not open until April and Varadkar said as much the other day there is no chance golf will be allowed open.

ClutchIt

rickis tache wrote: »

My guess would be april after the bank holiday at Easter.

Oh no.... Lot of people saying March / Apr. You're probably right too.
I was hoping Feb until reading these comment

Ivefoundgod

willabur wrote: »

graphics really haven't progressed that much since the tiger woods golf sims

I have 2k21 golf on stadia which can run up to 4k resolution, much smaller cost up front tho the online community side of it is very quiet

To avoid off topic stuff, thread already here; https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058107033

Also, 2k21 is average graphics at best. I'm playing on PS5 and have it for PC too, it looks better on my gaming PC imo. Definitely wouldn't buy a PS5 just for PGA 2k21.

willabur

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Was considering investing in a PS5 to play this golf game as the graphics look unreal. Your message above is definitely sealing the deal. Thanks.

graphics really haven't progressed that much since the tiger woods golf sims

I have 2k21 golf on stadia which can run up to 4k resolution, much smaller cost up front tho the online community side of it is very quiet

rickis tache

My guess would be april after the bank holiday at Easter.

Ivefoundgod

I thought I saw Leo suggest most businesses would remain closed until March so would assume that would include golf. What will be interesting is the GAA inevitably starting to moan like they did last time once cases start to go down. I can see them lobbying to allow training in mid-february if case numbers start to drop down to low 100s, if that happens and the government gives in we could see an earlier opening but I think March is the likeliest opening time.

blue note

It'll be a phased reopening of the country. Golf will be back before the pubs I'm sure.

I'd be confident we won't be back at the start of February. If I had to guess, I'd say we'll be opening up early March. That's based on nothing, it's a pure guess.

Frisbee

Yeah can see them keeping as much as possible closed beyond Paddys Day to avoid the shít show that would be. So I'd say end of March / start of April before golf is allowed.