Dr Vernon Coleman: They want to kill 6 Bn of us, enslave us [Covid-19]

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 5:38pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

anybody can pick quotes out of context. either way, they are irrelevant. you want us to take him seriously because people say nice things about him. Somebody else mentioned argument from authority. do you know what that is?

I don't ask that people take him seriously. I'm merely informing people of the doctor's perspective on the pandemic. People are free to dismiss what he says.

King Mob · 25-09-2020 5:40pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

we hear very little from scientists and doctors who are contra lockdowns, masks etc.

Maybe there's a reason for that...?

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't dismiss their opinion. I believe that COVID-19 has, for all intents and purposes, disappeared from Western Europe. Hence the present focus on case numbers as opposed to hospitalisations and numbers of deaths. And so I don't understand how any medical person could argue for continued restrictions, lockdowns etc.

So all the experts who disagree with you are wrong?
Are you just more of an expert?

You haven't really answered my point however.

Why are you making an argument from authority here?

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 5:48pm

King Mob wrote: »

Maybe there's a reason for that...?

So all the experts who disagree with you are wrong?
Are you just more of an expert?

You haven't really answered my point however.

Why are you making an argument from authority here?

I would argue that the reason for it may have to do with the corruption of science. One need only look to the war against hydroxychloroquine as evidence of that.

Professor Sunetra Gupta is eminently qualified and yet she said the following a few weeks ago:

"We’ve found it difficult to publish our work in mainstream journals. Sadly anything that deviates from the consensus has been met with criticism – not simply of the science, but we’ve been labelled as saying things that are dangerous."

I am not an expert, but experts are not infallible. Professor Gupta is an expert and she believes that they are mistaken.

King Mob · 25-09-2020 5:52pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I would argue that the reason for it may have to do with the corruption of science. One need only look to the war against hydroxychloroquine as evidence of that.

Lol. I'm beginning to suspect you are not being genuine.

Dionaibh wrote: »

I am not an expert, but experts are not infallible..

Ok. So all the experts who don't support your conspiracy theory are wrong or part of the conspiracy.
All the experts who do support your conspiracy theory are super expert and incorruptable.
Gotcha.

25-09-2020 5:54pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol. I'm beginning to suspect you are not being genuine.

Ok. So all the experts who don't support your conspiracy theory are wrong or part of the conspiracy.
All the experts who do support your conspiracy theory are super expert and incorruptable.
Gotcha.

You hear of very few doctors that are pro smoking though. Real lack of balance on it.

King Mob · 25-09-2020 5:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You hear of very few doctors that are pro smoking though. Real lack of balance on it.

That's cause the anti-smoking conspiracy got to them all and paid off all the scientists and doctors in the world.
Obviously.

IAMAMORON · 25-09-2020 5:59pm

That's quite enough now thank you.

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 6:01pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol. I'm beginning to suspect you are not being genuine.

Ok. So all the experts who don't support your conspiracy theory are wrong or part of the conspiracy.
All the experts who do support your conspiracy theory are super expert and incorruptable.
Gotcha.

I never said they were wrong. I said that I believe them to be mistaken, but, more importantly, other epidemiologists and scientists such as Professor Gupta and Professor Heneghan, among others, believe them to be wrong. I agree with Professors Heneghan and Gupta, not because of any conspiracy theory or because I want to be different, but because I believe the pandemic to be over in Western Europe.

King Mob · 25-09-2020 6:03pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I never said they were wrong. I said that I believe them to be mistaken,

lol

Dionaibh wrote: »

because of any conspiracy theory or because I want to be different, but because I believe the pandemic to be over in Western Europe.

But you believe that the experts that disagree with you are saying the pandemic isn't over because there's a global conspiracy to use the pandemic to install a one world government.

It's because you believe in silly conspiracy theories.

You keep contradicting yourself in every post.

Dionaibh · 25-09-2020 6:07pm

King Mob wrote: »

lol

But you believe that the experts that disagree with you are saying the pandemic isn't over because you believe there's a global conspiracy to use the pandemic to install a one world government.

It's because you believe in silly conspiracy theories.

You keep contradicting yourself in every post.

My fears of a world government are based on the Secretary-General of the UN referring to global governance and not wanting a world government "but" in the past few months.

I believe that governments are using the pandemic as an excuse for controlling the population. Hence health passports. That's why I believe it's being prolonged. Do you believe, based on the numbers of deaths, that there is any justification for lockdown measures?

King Mob · 25-09-2020 6:33pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

I believe that governments are using the pandemic as an excuse for controlling the population. Hence health passports. That's why I believe it's being prolonged.

Yes. So when experts disagree with you, you ignore their qualifications and authority and dismiss them as part of the conspiracy.

At the same time you promote random cranks who are selling **** and self agrandising themselves on amazon as infallible experts.

This is just another in a long list on contradictions and silly positions you have.

4068ac1elhodqr · 25-09-2020 8:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You hear of very few doctors that are pro smoking though. Real lack of balance on it.

Back in the 60's there was an abundance of them.

Majority of adverts suggesting actual good health by smoking e.g. a 'fresh' Camels taglines, and 'More Doctors smoke Camels'. Adverts for the same brand included their use as a 'digestion aid' another, claimed it assisted with slimming (lucky brand). Pictures of physicians holding up packs of luckies. Then Embassy used 'inhale until your heart's content'. Chesterfileds own lab study claimed no negative effects of smoking. 'L&M filters, are what the doctor ordered'.

Even in the 80's when effects were proven, many a tobacco alliance ran campaign to stop the rising tobacco taxes, disputing all lab findings. Money talks.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 06-10-2020 11:07pm

Coleman is well mad. he use to write for a sunday tabloid sort of problem page. when someone wrote "i am completely useless at everything what should i do" he said "become a social worker"

And someone asked him what is trhe difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist he said about 50 grand a year and a mercedes

All doctors are wrong except him.

Dionaibh · 08-10-2020 12:05pm

Rowen Raspy Flashbulb wrote: »

Coleman is well mad. he use to write for a sunday tabloid sort of problem page. when someone wrote "i am completely useless at everything what should i do" he said "become a social worker"

And someone asked him what is trhe difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist he said about 50 grand a year and a mercedes

All doctors are wrong except him.

He has a sardonic sense of humour.

Two more scary videos:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/why-i-believe-politicians-and-advisors-will-go-to-prison_t9eKWJlQEzmZeZv.html

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/vernon-coleman-they-039-re-going-to-starve-us-and-freeze-us-to-death_ukQDWK9Rr4bDdoV.html

Dionaibh · 08-10-2020 12:14pm

And he has a new book out: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Covid-19-Greatest-History-startling-takeover/dp/B08KH3R8NG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20AWTHZQQN23R&dchild=1&keywords=vernon+coleman&qid=1602155625&sprefix=vernon+coleman%2Caps%2C242&sr=8-1

r439z5ifwt8soq · 08-10-2020 12:16pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

And he has a new book out: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Covid-19-Greatest-History-startling-takeover/dp/B08KH3R8NG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20AWTHZQQN23R&dchild=1&keywords=vernon+coleman&qid=1602155625&sprefix=vernon+coleman%2Caps%2C242&sr=8-1

Looks like that lunatic has a vested interest in cultivating a bit of fear in his audience

Dionaibh · 08-10-2020 12:19pm

Colby Uninterested Above wrote: »

Looks like that lunatic has a vested interest in cultivating a bit of fear in his audience

He does a lot of research and his videos are well made. Have you watched any of them?

r439z5ifwt8soq · 08-10-2020 12:25pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

He does a lot of research and his videos are well made. Have you watched any of them?

His videos are just him in a chair talking, unless there's some other videos you're talking about?

He's very well spoken, but well-spoken people with extreme (and unsubstantiated) opinions are a honey trap for fools.

King Mob · 08-10-2020 1:25pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

And he has a new book out: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Covid-19-Greatest-History-startling-takeover/dp/B08KH3R8NG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20AWTHZQQN23R&dchild=1&keywords=vernon+coleman&qid=1602155625&sprefix=vernon+coleman%2Caps%2C242&sr=8-1

So he's making up nonsense to sell a book.

Why does this not send up a red flag for you?

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 08-10-2020 2:29pm

i listened one night i couldn't sleep. He says all the people who died in nursing homes due to covid are murder victims. The people who control the world don't want the elderly so they kill or arrange their death

Dohnjoe · 08-10-2020 4:19pm

Rowen Raspy Flashbulb wrote: »

i listened one night i couldn't sleep. He says all the people who died in nursing homes due to covid are murder victims. The people who control the world don't want the elderly so they kill or arrange their death

"I hate the elderly, we need a plan to kill them, let's create a virus that affects the old and release it all over the world.. "

"Sir, to get this straight, you're saying we should release a man-made virus, fool all the experts scientists, put all our families, relatives and friends at risk, destroy industries, crash economies.. just to kill old people?"

"Sure, we're the secret one world government, this is what we do, anyway no one will find out except for some crazy people on the internet"

EyesClosed · 08-10-2020 5:08pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I hate the elderly, we need a plan to kill them, let's create a virus that affects the old and release it all over the world.. "

"Sir, to get this straight, you're saying we should release a man-made virus, fool all the experts scientists, put all our families, relatives and friends at risk, destroy industries, crash economies.. just to kill old people?"

"Sure, we're the secret one world government, this is what we do, anyway no one will find out except for some crazy people on the internet"

It's literally this

Dionaibh · 08-10-2020 5:53pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I hate the elderly, we need a plan to kill them, let's create a virus that affects the old and release it all over the world.. "

"Sir, to get this straight, you're saying we should release a man-made virus, fool all the experts scientists, put all our families, relatives and friends at risk, destroy industries, crash economies.. just to kill old people?"

"Sure, we're the secret one world government, this is what we do, anyway no one will find out except for some crazy people on the internet"

Or destroy the economy, society, small businesses and so and then "Build Back Better", or "reset" if you prefer.

Cuomo in NY ordered nursing homes to take in infected elderly people.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 08-10-2020 6:41pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I hate the elderly, we need a plan to kill them, let's create a virus that affects the old and release it all over the world.. "

"Sir, to get this straight, you're saying we should release a man-made virus, fool all the experts scientists, put all our families, relatives and friends at risk, destroy industries, crash economies.. just to kill old people?"

"Sure, we're the secret one world government, this is what we do, anyway no one will find out except for some crazy people on the internet"

Coleman who knows everything

Dohnjoe · 08-10-2020 7:37pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Or destroy the economy, society, small businesses and so and then "Build Back Better", or "reset" if you prefer.

Is your personal paranoid baseless view (or contrived view). There are other people who think the world is flat, or that lizard-people are in power, or that totalitarian governments are about to take over or that the powers-that-be are just about to "enslave us"

Notice the pattern? the common denominator?

Dohnjoe · 08-10-2020 7:40pm

Rowen Raspy Flashbulb wrote: »

Coleman who knows everything

You are referring to a lunatic who is well known for consistently being a lunatic in an internet video. And yes, believe it or not, out of the millions of professionals, experts, scientists and doctors in the world, there are a handful who actually believe in insane things. If you want to take the word of this fruitcake as gospel, that's your choice.

Dionaibh · 08-10-2020 8:00pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Is your personal paranoid baseless view (or contrived view). There are other people who think the world is flat, or that lizard-people are in power, or that totalitarian governments are about to take over or that the powers-that-be are just about to "enslave us"

Notice the pattern? the common denominator?

So it's just a coincidence that leaders first followed the "new normal" script (5 minutes into this so-called pandemic, by the way) and another coincidence that they're now following the "build back better" script?

There are people who may believe those things you mention, but I don't.

King Mob · 08-10-2020 10:34pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

So it's just a coincidence that leaders first followed the "new normal" script (5 minutes into this so-called pandemic, by the way) and another coincidence that they're now following the "build back better" script?

Who gave them this script then? When? Why did d they blow their cover by making the politicians say the same thing?

Why are you saying "so called pandemic"?
Are you saying it's a fake pandemic or that it was manufactured?

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 12:12am

King Mob wrote: »

Who gave them this script then? When? Why did d they blow their cover by making the politicians say the same thing?

Why are you saying "so called pandemic"?
Are you saying it's a fake pandemic or that it was manufactured?

I don't know who gave them the script, but the point is that it is further evidence that a script is being followed. They all just happen to say "new normal" at the same time, and just happen to all start saying "build back better" at the same time.

Because I don't believe it is still a pandemic. It's now a casedemic. Or at least it is in the West. Deaths have fallen so low that they've now switched to cases.

r439z5ifwt8soq · 09-10-2020 12:39am

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't know who gave them the script, but the point is that it is further evidence that a script is being followed. They all just happen to say "new normal" at the same time, and just happen to all start saying "build back better" at the same time.

You use the word evidence very loosely. If you think something that could be purely coincidental is "evidence", you don't have much of a leg to stand on

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 1:05am

Colby Uninterested Above wrote: »

You use the word evidence very loosely. If you think something that could be purely coincidental is "evidence", you don't have much of a leg to stand on

I just think there are too many coincidences, but I accept that the evidence is weak

King Mob · 09-10-2020 5:10am

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't know who gave them the script, but the point is that it is further evidence that a script is being followed. .

It's not evidence of anything if you can't actually say what it's evidence for.
That's a contradiction.
You don't know who gave them the script because no one gave them a script.

Dionaibh wrote: »

They all just happen to say "new normal" at the same time, and just happen to all start saying "build back better" at the same time..

Ok. Why did the conspirators you can't identify tell them to use the same phrases?
Why did the politicians do exactly what they were told from this shadowy group?
Why would this shadowy group leave a clue like this to let armchair detectives know they were up to something?

Again if your answer is "I don't know" then your theory doesn't make sense.

Dionaibh wrote: »

Because I don't believe it is still a pandemic. It's now a casedemic. Or at least it is in the West. Deaths have fallen so low that they've now switched to cases.

But you're not an expert in viruses or statistics.
The majority of exports disagree with you.
So it's a pandemic.

King Mob · 09-10-2020 5:13am

Dionaibh wrote: »

I just think there are too many coincidences, but I accept that the evidence is weak

There is no evidence. It's just your Imagination and an insistence that since it can't be a coincidence it therefore must be a giant decades old global conspiracy that involves thousands of experts and politicians and organisations.
This is a very silly and childish position to hold.

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 8:59am

King Mob wrote: »

It's not evidence of anything if you can't actually say what it's evidence for.
That's a contradiction.
You don't know who gave them the script because no one gave them a script.

Ok. Why did the conspirators you can't identify tell them to use the same phrases?
Why did the politicians do exactly what they were told from this shadowy group?
Why would this shadowy group leave a clue like this to let armchair detectives know they were up to something?

Again if your answer is "I don't know" then your theory doesn't make sense.

But you're not an expert in viruses or statistics.
The majority of exports disagree with you.
So it's a pandemic.

If this was planned, and I'm not saying it was, but that I believe there is evidence, however weak, to suggest it may have been, it could be that this was planned during one of the Davos gatherings. What makes that more possible is that WEF is pushing the Great Reset.

King Mob · 09-10-2020 9:06am

Dionaibh wrote: »

If this was planned, and I'm not saying it was, but that I believe there is evidence, however weak, to suggest it may have been, it could be that this was planned during one of the Davos gatherings. What makes that more possible is that WEF is pushing the Great Reset.

And you're dodging questions again.
You are doing this because you know your conspiracy is utter nonsense.

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 9:57am

King Mob wrote: »

And you're dodging questions again.
You are doing this because you know your conspiracy is utter nonsense.

Okay, the best thing is to wait and see. We'll know in September of next year.

King Mob · 09-10-2020 10:01am

Dionaibh wrote: »

Okay, the best thing is to wait and see. We'll know in September of next year.

No, there's no reason to wait and see because you've shown that your theory is utter nonsense and you agree you can't defend it or make sense of it.

Why are you holding onto a belief you know is nonsense?
Why do you hold onto that belief and engage in dishonest tactics rather than just accept you're wrong?

Tea drinker · 09-10-2020 10:05am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"I hate the elderly, we need a plan to kill them, let's create a virus that affects the old and release it all over the world.. "

"Sir, to get this straight, you're saying we should release a man-made virus, fool all the experts scientists, put all our families, relatives and friends at risk, destroy industries, crash economies.. just to kill old people?"

"Sure, we're the secret one world government, this is what we do, anyway no one will find out except for some crazy people on the internet"

If you are serious about reducing population don't target the elderly, you'll just have to do the same damn job over and over every 5 - 10 years. They will already have consumed the most resources they are going to, old people aren't big consumers / polluters and won't be banging out more kids.
You have to target mothers or young kids.
Cheerful subject to start the weekend off!

banie01 · 09-10-2020 10:06am

Dionaibh wrote: »

I just think there are too many coincidences, but I accept that the evidence is weak

One of the most important and hard learned rules of data and statistical analysis should be remembered here.

Correlation is not causation. Coincidence is not evidence and should not even be considered as circumstantial.

Actual causal factor needs to be demonstrated before your coincidence approaches anything akin to being of evidential quality.

You have taken a set of circumstances that in all honesty have a fairly limited range of government responses available.
The 3 primary ones being, let it burn, lockdown and limited response, not a script but the 3 most likely responses to a viral pandemic.

It's not exactly rocket science, yet you have attributed the responses to an overarching evil plan?
The Doc isn't prescient, he isn't demonstrating hidden knowledge.
Rather he is cloaking a predictive and appropriate response in a blanket of conspiracy.
A blanket that feels all the warmer to some who feel that secret knowledge confirms their bias.

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 10:20am

King Mob wrote: »

No, there's no reason to wait and see because you've shown that your theory is utter nonsense and you agree you can't defend it or make sense of it.

Why are you holding onto a belief you know is nonsense?
Why do you hold onto that belief and engage in dishonest tactics rather than just accept you're wrong?

Okay, I accept I'm wrong. I've thought about it a bit more and I'm wrong.

r439z5ifwt8soq · 09-10-2020 10:28am

This thread is like the twilight zone or opposite land, the non-conspiracy people are shoving their opinions down the conspiracy people's throats hahaha

King Mob · 09-10-2020 10:32am

Dionaibh wrote: »

Okay, I accept I'm wrong. I've thought about it a bit more and I'm wrong.

Great.
So maybe now rather than posting about the next conspiracy theory you come across on youtube, you should consider that one in the same way you have for this one.
Is the next conspiracy theory equally as nonsensical?
If so, perhaps you shouldn't believe it or get so upset and frightened by it's claims.

Dionaibh · 09-10-2020 10:34am

King Mob wrote: »

Great.
So maybe now rather than posting about the next conspiracy theory you come across on youtube, you should consider that one in the same way you have for this one.
Is the next conspiracy theory equally as nonsensical?
If so, perhaps you shouldn't believe it or get so upset and frightened by it's claims.

Good point. Thanks.

Tea drinker · 09-10-2020 11:03am

Dionaibh wrote: »

Good point. Thanks.

If no one posts here then we might as well close the conspiracy forum!
Have a good one.

4068ac1elhodqr · 09-10-2020 3:13pm

Tea drinker wrote: »

If you are serious about reducing population don't target the elderly, you'll just have to do the same damn job over and over every 5 - 10 years. They will already have consumed the most resources they are going to, old people aren't big consumers / polluters and won't be banging out more kids.
You have to target mothers or young kids.
Cheerful subject to start the weekend off!

Only partially correct, the elderly (retired, econimically passive) might be considered by some (not me) of a being a drain on the Earth's resources as it approaches 10bn in 2050.

You've also excluded menfolks (even young ones) from the equation.

Sperm levels are dropping all the time, down massively from 50yrs ago (pollution, toxins, carcinogens, lifestyles, elctro-smog, plastics{hormone disruptors} and so on).

If young lads were to receive some manditory new (yearly) covid vaccine from birth, is there a chance of cumulative toxin build-up (squalene {from sharks livers} and heavy metals)...

King Mob · 09-10-2020 3:16pm

Avalyn Unimportant Trader wrote: »

Sperm levels are dropping all the time, down massively from 50yrs ago (pollution, toxins, carcinogens, lifestyles, elctro-smog, plastics{hormone disruptors} and so on).

If young lads were to receive some manditory new (yearly) covid vaccine from birth, is there a chance of cumulative toxin build-up (squalene {from sharks livers} and heavy metals)...

None of this is true.

And the "squalene {from sharks livers}" scaremongering crap is straight from anti-vaxxer propaganda.

eleventh · 09-10-2020 3:50pm

I don't believe elderly are being targeted. They are being focused on by media, 'used' because of being statistically closer to end of life than the young. That one issue is being exploited to the max - they're categorised as 'the vulnerable' etc.

The most vulnerable in society are in fact the youngest (Plenty of people 80 - 90+ are fine and don't need help). But you won't hear that in the media.

Children are the main targets in this destruction. Witness how the first action at the start of covid was - close the schools, little vectors, etc. No truth or evidence.

Sadly that will be the case. While people are directing actions in false belief that they're protecting elderly, children -with their whole lives ahead- might not recover.

PS - haven't watched the videos, I'm responding to the topic in general.

King Mob · 09-10-2020 3:57pm

eleventh wrote: »

Children are the main targets in this destruction. Witness how the first action at the start of covid was - close the schools, little vectors, etc. No truth or evidence.

That's weird, the going conspiracy theory claims where the children weren't affected at all by the virus.

What exactly are you claiming here?
What do you believe was the real reason the schools were closed?
What "truth or evidence" are you referring to?

Dohnjoe · 09-10-2020 4:56pm

eleventh wrote: »

The most vulnerable in society are in fact the youngest (Plenty of people 80 - 90+ are fine and don't need help). But you won't hear that in the media.

?

The virus affects older people far more than younger people.

Children are the main targets in this destruction.

What are you suggesting here?

Witness how the first action at the start of covid was - close the schools, little vectors, etc. No truth or evidence.

Schools were closed because the virus was spreading in schools. There was plenty of evidence.

09-10-2020 7:18pm

Dionaibh wrote: »

Or destroy the economy, society, small businesses and so and then "Build Back Better", or "reset" if you prefer.

Cuomo in NY ordered nursing homes to take in infected elderly people.

You could apply the exact same claim to Spanish flu, world wars or even the advent of internet retail. They're all drastic "resets" according to your logic.

Dr Vernon Coleman: They want to kill 6 Bn of us, enslave us [Covid-19]

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