Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-06-2019 5:36pm

King of Kings wrote: »

I love gemma cos she has all the do gooders in a flap.
It pleases me to see this.

Do you believe ireland is a communist country?

Do you believe 5G will make you sick?

Do you believe in chemtrails?

Donyou think children should not be vaccinated?

Those are a few of Gemma's ludicrous claims. She doesn't have people "in a flap" she has people genuinely wondering how a once very intelligent person and award winning journalist could go totally over the edge and batshyt crazy.

Annasopra · 22-06-2019 6:44pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Irish culture and values are pretty much the same as all western values. Freedom of expression, safety, democracy etc. are all intergral parts of our culture. The west is the best and we should really be getting together with other countries to defend our western values but of course the only places standing up for western values atm are the likes of the US with Trump, Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia and Poland.

You mention abuse of women and children but more will come if mass immigration continues. Look at the rapes of women by migrants in Sweden and Germany and the child grooming gangs in the UK. Every country where there has been mass immigration from the third world it's been a disaster I would like to see Ireland learn from those countries and not repeat the same mistakes. But it appears we are going to repeat those mistakes.

So basically in your racist worldview anyone non white, european and christian is a savage rapist

TheRepentent · 22-06-2019 6:50pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

So basically in your racist worldview anyone non white, european and christian is a savage rapist

No wonder he stays in his room , hammering the keyboard:D

ancapailldorcha · 22-06-2019 6:55pm

King of Kings wrote: »

I love gemma cos she has all the do gooders in a flap.
It pleases me to see this.

Have to say that I appreciate the honesty. No pretence of caring about anything except triggering people. It's odd seeing the amount of posts where anti-vaxxers pretend to care about children, anti-abortionists about the unborn and so on so the absence of pretence of any sort certainly is refreshing.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 7:08pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

western values atm are the likes of the US with Trump

Raw dogging porn stars behind your pregnant wifes back?

Ah, Values.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 7:10pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Do you believe 5G will make you sick?

Irish people worrying about 5g?

Most of us are still waiting to worry about 4g.

Stephen15 · 22-06-2019 7:12pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

So basically in your racist worldview anyone non white, european and christian is a savage rapist

Never said that and many white people have raped women which is a disgrace and they should be locked up for a life sentence and I mean the rest of their life behind bars not 20 or 25 years in jail and that would apply regardless of skin colour or religion.

But there is a particular problem with Islam as it promotes the mistreatment of women and pedophilia. Look at Mohammed as a prime example he is according to Islam the perfect man who can do no wrong or evil but yet he married a 6 year old and shagged her when she was 9.

Cedrus · 22-06-2019 7:16pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Look at the rapes of women by migrants in Sweden and Germany.

Can you offer ANY poof of this trope. Aside from the usual right wing racist groups posting fictions online most of these "reports" have been debunked.

It is true that migrants figure in all crime statistics, but they are not statistically over-represented. Unfortunately, Ireland (like the rest of Europe) has plenty of homegrown rapists and murderers.

Boggles · 22-06-2019 7:16pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

But there is a particular problem with Islam as it promotes the mistreatment of women and pedophilia.

Sounds like the Catholic Church really.

francois · 22-06-2019 7:26pm

Boggles wrote: »

Sounds like the Catholic Church really.

Touché. The alt right fanbois ( generally new or re-reg accounts) throwing red meat comment to each other is so fùcking obvious and tedious at this stage, it isn't worth engaging with them. Let them get priapic at their non existent yellow vest revolution, it ain't happening for the Torino losers.

Stephen15 · 22-06-2019 8:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

Sounds like the Catholic Church really.

Which no longer hold any power in Ireland like they used to almost every Islamic country is governed by some sort of Sharia law. The aim of Islam is global denomination and every country governed by Sharia law. Not saying that every Muslim agrees with that either I also believe Muslims are victims of Islam.

Stephen15 · 22-06-2019 8:12pm

Cedrus wrote: »

Can you offer ANY poof of this trope. Aside from the usual right wing racist groups posting fictions online most of these "reports" have been debunked.

It is true that migrants figure in all crime statistics, but they are not statistically over-represented. Unfortunately, Ireland (like the rest of Europe) has plenty of homegrown rapists and murderers.

Eh the NYE rapes in Cologne, most rape convictions in Sweden are forgein born according to nation tv there and the islmaic grooming gangs in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

Cedrus · 22-06-2019 8:12pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Look at Mohammed as a prime example he is according to Islam the perfect man who can do no wrong or evil but yet he married a 6 year old and shagged her when she was 9.

Which Koranic scholar did you learn this from? Alex Jones?

Her name was Aisha by the way and there is huge dispute about her age, nobodies age was recorded back then, so nobody really knows what age she was betrothed or married and as his third wife it is entirely possible that the marriage was never consummated, none of this is in the Koran. But hey, 1350 years of internal politicking and backbiting is going to take it's toll on the truth. She fought in the Battle of Basra which was a key point in the schism between Sunni and Shia and the Shia never forgave her.

It is truly amazing in the 21st century that there are still imbeciles who believe medieval propaganda, even more so when that propaganda comes from the writings of "the wrong coloured people".

Cedrus · 22-06-2019 8:15pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Eh the NYE rapes in Cologne, most rape convictions in Sweden are forgein born according to nation tv there and the islmaic grooming gangs in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

From your own link, did you even bother reading it?

"When Sweden took in its highest number of asylum seekers in 2015, the number of reported rapes declined by 12%. At the height of the migration crisis, some 160,000 migrants arrived there - more per capita than any other EU country."

Doughnut

Boggles · 22-06-2019 8:16pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Which no longer hold any power in Ireland

But it's a massive part of our heritage.

Something you say you are terrified of losing.

I'm confused.

Annasopra · 22-06-2019 8:31pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Never said that and many white people have raped women which is a disgrace and they should be locked up for a life sentence and I mean the rest of their life behind bars not 20 or 25 years in jail and that would apply regardless of skin colour or religion.

But there is a particular problem with Islam as it promotes the mistreatment of women and pedophilia. Look at Mohammed as a prime example he is according to Islam the perfect man who can do no wrong or evil but yet he married a 6 year old and shagged her when she was 9.

So basically all Muslims are rapists

AndrewJRenko · 22-06-2019 8:36pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Which no longer hold any power in Ireland like they used to .

Have you tried getting a school place for a child recently?

Stephen15 · 22-06-2019 9:06pm

Cedrus wrote: »

Which Koranic scholar did you learn this from? Alex Jones?

Her name was Aisha by the way and there is huge dispute about her age, nobodies age was recorded back then, so nobody really knows what age she was betrothed or married and as his third wife it is entirely possible that the marriage was never consummated, none of this is in the Koran. But hey, 1350 years of internal politicking and backbiting is going to take it's toll on the truth. She fought in the Battle of Basra which was a key point in the schism between Sunni and Shia and the Shia never forgave her.

It is truly amazing in the 21st century that there are still imbeciles who believe medieval propaganda, even more so when that propaganda comes from the writings of "the wrong coloured people".

So no proof Mohammed even existed in the first place

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-06-2019 9:13pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

So no proof Mohammed even existed in the first place

Mohammed, jesus, buddah, ganesh... take your pick, no proof any of the 3000+ "gods" or prophets ever existed.

Stephen15 · 22-06-2019 9:47pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you tried getting a school place for a child recently?

Thought that was being done away with. A lot of the difficulties getting into schools can be blamed on immigration particularly in west Dublin.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-06-2019 9:49pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Thought that was being done away with. A lot of the difficulties getting into schools can be blamed on immigration particularly in west Dublin.

Proof for this ridiculously racist claim please?

pixelburp · 22-06-2019 9:50pm

Man I wish I lived in a world where all life's mundane problems could be laid at the feet of immigrants. Truly the Simpsons continues to be a herald, ..."even when it was the bears, I knew it was 'dem immigrants!"

Cedrus · 22-06-2019 10:14pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

So no proof Mohammed even existed in the first place

Nope. No proof whatsoever.

There is a load of stuff written in various books that the three Abrahamic religions consider "truth" The Torah, The Old Testament and the Koran follow the same narrative with the same players and while it mostly makes good moral sense, there is little proof that any of it actually happened, or even that Yaweh, Christ or Allah, never mind their prophets, ever existed.
Unless of course, you read one of those testaments and believe what you read.

AndrewJRenko · 22-06-2019 10:15pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Thought that was being done away with. A lot of the difficulties getting into schools can be blamed on immigration particularly in west Dublin.

I was actually referring to the challenge of finding a school that won't be bringing in men in dresses to tell makey-uppey stories to children. Given that the Catholic Church control 95% or more of the schools in the country, that's a serious issue. Teachers still get marked for their religious ethos at job interviews. Teachers can't be open about their religion, or their atheism, or their sexuality if that conflicts with the ethos of the school.

And you don't think we have religious control?

humberklog · 22-06-2019 10:20pm

I don't like Gemna because she gives people who are politically right of centre a bad name.

It is possible to have cautious conservative opinions and to not think that our culture lies in Catholism or some other weird form of puritanism or that it lies in our diet or our modes of transport or other nonsense Gemma finds herself against.

She weakens the Right.

ancapailldorcha · 22-06-2019 11:07pm

humberklog wrote: »

I don't like Gemna because she gives people who are politically right of centre a bad name.

It is possible to have cautious conservative opinions and to not think that our culture lies in Catholism or some other weird form of puritanism or that it lies in our diet or our modes of transport or other nonsense Gemma finds herself against.

She weakens the Right.

Of course it is.

The problem is the polarization caused by social media, especially Twitter but Facebook is doing its bit by helping users create echo chambers. Twitter rewards facile and extreme opinions while discouraging insightful, reasoned discourse.

It's important not to spend too much time online and I think there's a risk that the next generation isn't heeding this and we're likely to see more crackpot nonsense as a result. I have Conservative family and friends who aren't anti-vaxxers or climate change deniers. I know several left wingers and feminists who never mention patriarchy or transgender bathrooms. IRL, most people are reasonable. The internet makes the crackpots seem louder and more numerous than they actually are.

Brian? · 22-06-2019 11:48pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

So no proof Mohammed even existed in the first place

Yet you’re convinced he was a pedophile?

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 12:00am

Brian? wrote: »

Yet you’re convinced he was a pedophile?

That would be the belief by many Muslims that he married Aisha when she was 6 and shagged her when she was 9. I'm not a fan of any religion including Christaianity but there just seems to be a lot more credibility to it than Islam who just seems to me like a complete load of made up nonsense that goes against human nature.

Don't get me wrong Christanity has a lot of made up nonsense to it too but Islam more so. Fasting during Ramadan for example is not natural and allows an excuse for people to turn to gluttony. Christanity also doesn't have nonsense like circumcision both male and female.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-06-2019 12:03am

Stephen15 wrote: »

That would be the belief by many Muslims that he married Aisha when she was 6 and shagged her when she was 9. I'm not a fan of any religion including Christaianity but there just seems to be a lot more credibility to it than Islam who just seems to me like a complete load of made up nonsense that goes against human nature.

Don't get me wrong Christanity has a lot of made up nonsense to it too but Islam more so. Fasting during Ramadan for example is not natural and allows an excuse for people to turn to gluttony. Christanity also doesn't have nonsense like circumcision both male and female.

Talking snakes.
Incest.
900 year old men
Zombies.

To name but a few.

Yeah, Christianity is way more logical :rolleyes:

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 12:09am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Talking snakes.
Incest.
900 year old men
Zombies.

To name but a few.

Yeah, Christianity is way more logical :rolleyes:

Yeah but they're all not an intergral part of Christianity that are commonly associated it with it even by just followers. Irrational elements of Islam are all an intergral part. Christianity also doesn't control most of it's followers lives where as Islam does.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-06-2019 7:35am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but they're all not an intergral part of Christianity that are commonly associated it with it even by just followers. Irrational elements of Islam are all an intergral part. Christianity also doesn't control most of it's followers lives where as Islam does.

You have spoken to "most" muslims i suppose, or is this just another sweeping statement by you?

pjohnson · 23-06-2019 8:05am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Thought that was being done away with. A lot of the difficulties getting into schools can be blamed on immigration particularly in west Dublin.

I'm sure you blame immigration for the weather aswell.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but they're all not an intergral part of Christianity that are commonly associated it with it even by just followers. Irrational elements of Islam are all an intergral part. Christianity also doesn't control most of it's followers lives where as Islam does.

Tbf I'm not sure how much consent was involved in the immaculate conception. That seems like it could be classified as rape.

Suttree · 23-06-2019 8:10am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but they're all not an intergral part of Christianity that are commonly associated it with it even by just followers. Irrational elements of Islam are all an intergral part.

Luke 22:19 - you're meant to believe you engage in an act of cannibalism every Sunday.

Annasopra · 23-06-2019 8:12am

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm sure you blame immigration for the weather aswell.

I think he blames immigrants for everything in the country.

Tokyo · 23-06-2019 8:16am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but they're all not an intergral part of Christianity that are commonly associated it with it even by just followers. Irrational elements of Islam are all an intergral part. Christianity also doesn't control most of it's followers lives where as Islam does.

The Catholic church had a huge amount of control over the everyday lives of its followers, even in my own lifetime, and I'm still in my 30's. Islam certainly doesn't have a monopoly on abusing dogma to manipulate people's lives.

As to modern day followers of Islam, unsurprisingly, it really depends on the Muslim in question. I live in a Muslim neighbourhood, many of my friends and colleagues are Muslim, and I can assure you that there are just as many fairweather Muslims as there are fairweather Catholics. Islamic fundamentalism by no means represents the entirety of the 1.8 billion followers of Islam, it's just the easiest one to point to when making an argument against it.

padohaodha · 23-06-2019 8:17am

Suttree wrote: »

Luke 22:19 - you're meant to believe you engage in an act of cannibalism every Sunday.

"In remembrance"is hardly cannibalism to be fair.

Tokyo · 23-06-2019 8:19am

Suttree wrote: »

Luke 22:19 - you're meant to believe you engage in an act of cannibalism every Sunday.

Bit of a stretch, in fairness.

Luke 22:19 - And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

Suttree · 23-06-2019 8:25am

mike_ie wrote: »

Bit of a stretch, in fairness.

Luke 22:19 - And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

Was that one of the main points of the various Reformations - Protestants believed it was only a representation of the body of Christ, and done as a symbol, whereas the Church emphasised only the appearance of bread and wine remained, and it was actually the body and blood of Christ, so he could be present in the Eucharist?

If we're talking about illogical practices that are a fundamental part of the religion, I'm not sure the Church should get a pass on that one. I miss my dog, but I could think of better ways of remembering him.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-06-2019 9:50am

Suttree wrote: »

Was that one of the main points of the various Reformations - Protestants believed it was only a representation of the body of Christ, and done as a symbol, whereas the Church emphasised only the appearance of bread and wine remained, and it was actually the body and blood of Christ, so he could be present in the Eucharist?

If we're talking about illogical practices that are a fundamental part of the religion, I'm not sure the Church should get a pass on that one. I miss my dog, but I could think of better ways of remembering him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist

While all agree that there is no perceptible change in the elements, Roman Catholics believe that their substances actually become the body and blood of Christ (transubstantiation)

Nothing strange about that at all :pac:

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 2:51pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think he blames immigrants for everything in the country.

No I blame the people in charge for letting large numbers in. You can hardly blame the immigrants themselves as they've practically been handed an open invite to come in and scam the system in many cases especially with DP.

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 2:52pm

Suttree wrote: »

Luke 22:19 - you're meant to believe you engage in an act of cannibalism every Sunday.

Yeah but no one takes the bible literally a lot of Muslims take the Quran literally.

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-06-2019 3:00pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yeah but no one takes the bible literally

Proof please

a lot of Muslims take the Quran literally.

And proof for this also please.

Harvey Weinstein · 23-06-2019 3:06pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Proof please

And proof for this also please.

I love it when progressives reveal their innate racism and Ultra-Colonialist mindset by denying the religiosity and religious identity of Muslims

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 3:09pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Proof please

Most Western countries are predominantly Christian but yet we are ruled by relatively secular governments

And proof for this also please.

Most predominantly Islamic countries are governed by Islamic teachings, people don't generally wear religious clothing, religious body modifications, fasting during Ramadan, refraining from haram acts like drinking alcohol, money lending and gambling and praying five times a day.

Harvey Weinstein · 23-06-2019 3:11pm

"half or more Muslims say there is only one correct way to understand the teachings of Islam"

That qualifies as 'a lot'

dudara · 23-06-2019 3:17pm

Can we get back on topic please? The discussion is about Gemma O’Doherty. You can discuss immigration and other topics all you want as long as it’s linked to Gemma O’Doherty.

dudara

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 3:26pm

Racist card getting played way too much.... Lost all meaning....

Stephen15 · 23-06-2019 3:30pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Racist card getting played way too much.... Lost all meaning....

If you can't debate with someone just call them racist

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 3:40pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

If you can't debate with someone just call them racist

Im fully for balanced debate and equal status etc but I'm sick to death of hearing oh you're a racist etc etc.... Wouldn't mind if it was actually racist things that were done or said but now if you say no to someone they call you racist....

I'm sick to death of paying extortionate tax, tax, tax and more tax just to pay for those that won't look after themselves and contribute.

Cedrus · 23-06-2019 3:40pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

That would be the belief by many Muslims

How come you suddenly give credence to people you despise?
How do you define "many"?
Many Christians believe that Catholics are evil.
Many Christians believe that machines are evil.

Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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