Covid 21

King Mob wrote: »

Source for any of that?

This has been claimed before but never actually substantiated.

I can't post a link, I'm afraid.

This from one of a number of articles about the man in Croatia who fell from ladder:

"A builder who died after falling from a 10ft ladder was actually killed by Covid-19, scientists have claimed.

The man, who has not been named, suffered lacerations to his forehead and bruises to his face, elbow and left hand after he fell into the yard of an under construction family home.

Medics were called and rushed to the building site, in Croatia, and desperately tried to revive him, but he was declared dead at the scene.


A test for coronavirus was then carried out, as required by local medical guidelines, and came back positive."

And, again, sorry for the copy and paste, but this article by Professor Yonn K Loke and Professor Carl Heneghan explains it:

"People living in England have become increasingly concerned in the face of Public Health England’s (PHE) figures demonstrating a relentless daily toll of more than a hundred COVID-associated deaths several days a week (see Figure 1).

This is in stark contrast to the more reassuring recovery in neighbouring regions (Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland), where there are days with no COVID-associated deaths whatsoever.

One reason for this due is a statistical flaw in the way that PHE compiles ‘out of hospital’ deaths data, rather than any genuine difference between the regions of the UK:

“Linking data on confirmed positive cases (identified through testing by NHS and PHE laboratories and commercial partners) to the NHS Demographic Batch Service: when a patient dies, the NHS central register of patients is notified (this is not limited to deaths in hospitals). The list of all lab-confirmed cases is checked against the NHS central register each day, to check if any of the patients have died.”

Here, it seems that PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.

By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.

This why the PHE figures vary substantially from day to day. For example, 16 new deaths were announced on 6th July, but the following day, 152 were reported – today’s figure is 66.

PHE data also confirm that more than 125 000 patients have been admitted to NHS hospitals for COVID, the majority being successfully treated and discharged. There are now less than 1900 patients in hospital. So, roughly 80 000 recovered patients in the community will continue being monitored by PHE for the daily death statistics. More and more people (who are mainly in the older age group) are being discharged to the community, but they clearly may die of other illnesses.

This is why ‘out of hospital setting’ deaths remain constantly high (Figure 1), even though the Office of National Statistics data shows there have been fewer deaths than the five year average in the last three weeks, and NHS England data shows a moving average of 19 deaths per day in hospital.

It’s time to fix this statistical flaw that leads to an over-exaggeration of COVID-associated deaths. One reasonable approach would be to define community COVID-related deaths as those that occurred within 21 days of a COVID positive test result.

In summary, PHE’s definition of the daily death figures means that everyone who has ever had COVID at any time must die with COVID too. So, the COVID death toll in Britain up to July 2020 will eventually exceed 290k, if the follow-up of every test-positive patient is of long enough duration."

The article can be read on cebm.net.

The Nal wrote: »

And you've conveniently left out the next bit where they said he fell because his lungs were goosed from Covid and he was far past the level that required hospitalisation. ie his body packed in and thats why he fell.

The article in its entirety:

"A builder who died after falling from a 10ft ladder was actually killed by Covid-19, scientists have claimed.

The man, who has not been named, suffered lacerations to his forehead and bruises to his face, elbow and left hand after he fell into the yard of an under construction family home.

Medics were called and rushed to the building site, in Croatia, and desperately tried to revive him, but he was declared dead at the scene.

A test for coronavirus was then carried out, as required by local medical guidelines, and came back positive.

An autopsy revealed large sections of his lungs were blocked - leading doctors to diagnose acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

The life-threatening condition, which normally results in hospitalisation, is triggered when vital organs do not get enough oxygen.

Academics at the University of Zagreb said the Covid-induced illness had caused his fall, which they argued meant the death must be recorded as a Covid-19 fatality under World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines.

The scientists said the evidence 'unequivocally' led to Covid-19 being to blame for the death — but they did not specify how.

Experts today suggested the man may have lost his balance while climbing the rungs, leading to the fall, which would make Covid-19 to blame. They added that going up a ladder while suffering from ARDS was the 'last place I would want to be'.

The builder, 51, tested positive for the virus after his death. Scientists said that he had been suffering from acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), triggered by the virus, which they said had caused him to fall from the ladder.

WHAT IS ACUTE RESPIRATORY DISTRESS SYNDROME (ARDS)?
Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or ARDs, is where the lungs cannot provide the body's vital organs with enough oxygen.

The condition is life-threatening, and most people who develop it end up in intensive care units. Many are already in hospital when this happens.

It is triggered when the lungs become severely inflamed from an infection, such as Covid-19, or injury. This causes fluid from nearby blood vessels to leak into the lung's air sacs, stopping the body from absorbing enough oxygen.

Due to the drop in oxygen availability, the vital organs start to respire anaerobically - without oxygen - in order to create enough energy to keep working.

But this causes lactic acid to build-up which, when in high concentrations, can trigger a cardiac arrest or organ failure.



The doctors said they were initially suspicious a fight had occurred between the man and his co-workers, who had lived together for ten days, because no one saw the man fall from the ladder.

But after an autopsy revealed severe damage to the lungs, they said they could rule this out.

The man had suffered from a headache, fatigue, fever, cough, chest discomfort and shortness of breath in the week before his death, his co-workers said.

They had asked him to go to a doctor, but he had refused their advice.

The man also had type 2 diabetes and was a smoker, which both raised his risk of death from Covid-19.

The decision to attribute the death to coronavirus was presented in a study in the Journal of Forensic Pathology by pathologists led by Velibor Puzovic from Dubrovnik General Hospital.

The WHO defines a death from Covid as one 'resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed Covid-19 case'.

But the organisation also says deaths where there is a 'clear alternative cause' should not be attributed to the virus.

MailOnline has contacted the WHO for comment on whether the death was recorded correctly but has yet to hear back.

Professor Paul Hunter, an expert in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said he would have attributed the fatality to coronavirus if he was signing the death certificate.

'So at first sight he probably may not fit the criteria (for a Covid-19 death),' he told MailOnline.

'But why did he fall from the ladder? Was it a heart attack caused by Covid-19 (these do occur) or was he ill and shaky from his acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and that led to his fall?

'If I had ARDS, the top of a ladder is not where I would want to be.

'Looking at the post-mortem report the severity of the lung and other changes due to Covid-19 would be enough to lead to death and they do say that the fall injuries were probably not life threatening in themselves.

'And although he was only 51 he had a lot of pre-existing medical conditions. So high risk of death from Covid-19.'

There are significant concerns that the number of Covid-19 deaths may have been over-inflated worldwide by miscounting.

Croatia has recorded 1,113 deaths from the virus since the pandemic began, and a total of more than 87,400 cases.

The country's health minister Vili Beros ruled out a further lockdown last week, but said he would impose tighter restrictions if cases continued to rise.

'Another lockdown or curfew is out of the question,' he said.

Residents are currently required to wear face masks in taxis, shops and on public transport."

King Mob wrote: »

You have no source then.

And as we can see from your other example, your were lying about it's contents.

Why did you leave out the part of the article that disproved your claim?

So I actually made up the article I copy and pasted from cemb.net?

I left it out because the post included a copy and paste of another very long article. I pasted the first few sentences from the other article about the man who fell from a ladder. People can read the rest of the article if they want to.