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    #332
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Lol, ok please provide (real) examples of this happening, thanks



    Wow, okay so who "manufactured" the 2008 FC?

    I'm curious to know since I work in the field, and have studied that crisis. No paste-dumps from Zerohedge or 3 hour conspiracy videos, proper sources thanks.

    You work in a field? Scarecrow?


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    #333
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    JJayoo wrote: »
    You work in a field? Scarecrow?

    Yup, scaring away conspiracy theorists with terrifying rational questions ;)


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    #334
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You haven't answered my questions and looking at conspiracy sites is not "research".

    Please specify what your conspiracy is and stop trying to mask it by being vague and obtuse.


    Sites that are not mainstream media sites are not "conspiracy" sites.


    The lie about WMD's in Iraq didn't appear in any of the mainstream media and yet an interview with Paul Wolfowitz in Vanity Fair had him admit that the WMD canard was the best excuse that they could come up with in order to bludgeon the public into going along with the war.


    Is Vanity Fair a conspiracy site/outlet or are you just trying to smear everything that isn't broadcast at 6pm on the main evening news as the "lizard people!" press.


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    #335
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Sites that are not mainstream media sites are not "conspiracy" sites.


    The lie about WMD's in Iraq didn't appear in any of the mainstream media and yet an interview with Paul Wolfowitz in Vanity Fair had him admit that the WMD canard was the best excuse that they could come up with in order to bludgeon the public into going along with the war.


    Is Vanity Fair a conspiracy site/outlet or are you just trying to smear everything that isn't broadcast at 6pm on the main evening news as the "lizard people!" press.

    Waiting for answers to my questions, really curious about this one, thanks.


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    #336
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Cool. Don't forget to check back in and update us after your first round of injections. Cheers.


    I think you'll find that all these shills will scream that you are a nutcase for taking the stance that you do. But when they actually have skin in the game they won't be so enthusiastic. As I mentioned before a colleague of my OH developed narcolepsy after taking a swine flu vaccine and now her life it irreversibly changed for the worse.


    They talk a good game when it comes to deriding someone who makes valid points that they don't like but were you to tell them that they would get 50 grand if they put their arm into a hole in a machine, the caveat being that there is a one in a 100,000 chance that their arm will be cleaved off by blades inside the machine (pretty decent odds) not a one of them would step up.


    The human body is perfectly capable of fighting off infection and diseases, some more than others. Don't get me wrong, disease exist and some are more aggressive than others depending on the victim and the victim's immune system. Kids who grow up on farms and are constantly exposed to germs from animals, insects, bacteria from manure heaps, eating crab apples and wild berries, getting stung or bitten by various insects, etc have robust immune systems. Ever hear of a big bogger from Roscommon who has never been more than a mile from cow dung having an allergy to anything?


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    #337
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yeah, to absurd claims

    You linked to Denver airport being some sort of "sign" of your conspiracy stuff, nope, the owners of the airport have done that on purpose to get free publicity

    You linked to a Swastika shaped building. Again as some sort of "sign" or "symbol" of your conspiracy. It started construction in the 60's and the owners have acknowledged that it doesn't look good on google maps so they are changing it

    You linked to an osteopath making claims that a Covid vaccine will "alter DNA", and link people to some sort of "AI network", both of which are completely false claims

    You linked to children's clothing with skulls on them as some sort of "sign" of your conspiracy theory. I have a blanket with skulls on that, is that a foreboding "sign" of the NWO/Elite's coming mass-depopulation tyrannical reign?

    You linked to a video, which you clearly didn't watch, in which a man very carefully explains that a vial of vaccine might have an RFID chip on it, like a barcode. And that it is completely optional. Nope, you thought that was evidence they were going to implant microchips under people's skin

    Just linking something isn't evidence of anything, except for your obviously vivid imagination




    Why would they change it? And at what cost? Wouldn't it be much cheaper to say that the shape represents the Eastern symbol of life rather than drop millions to reconstruct it?


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    #338
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Why would they change it? And at what cost? Wouldn't it be much cheaper to say that the shape represents the Eastern symbol of life rather than drop millions to reconstruct it?

    Apparently they don't want their barracks to look like a Swastika. Again, what's the conspiracy explanation?

    Why are you ignoring the questions about your extraordinary claim that deliberately crashing economies is a thing and that the 2008 FC (a global systemic crisis) was deliberately manufactured?
    Discriminating against someone based on their medical condition is not only illegal it is immoral.

    It's not "discrimination" and it's not a "medical condition", it's an infectious disease. If you e.g. have a temperature you aren't allowed on planes, why? because you are putting other people's health at risk


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    #339
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's not "discrimination". If you e.g. have a temperature you aren't allowed on planes, why? because you are putting other people's health at risk.
    I'm sure folks like Alan have no issue eating food from a cook with a hacking cough and runny nose. Otherwise it would be discrimination
    And they wouldn't be as totalitarian as to make this person wear gloves or a mask or a hair net.
    And they wouldn't insist on him washing his hands either as that would be a massive invasion of privacy and everyone knows washing your hands is a global scam invented by doctors and soap companies.


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    #340
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It doesn't support your theory, which is:

    You believe the building was intentionally designed to look like a swastika - it wasn't. They only realised it after they broke ground.

    You believe the NWO/Elites who will shortly being depopulating the world are deliberately planting these symbols in buildings built in the 60's, airports and children's clothes today - nothing needs to be said about that.


    The architects didn't build a model?


    "Oh, we've just broke ground...DAMN guys....Eddie, Joey, this thing is shaped like a swastika"


    "Fcuk it, Frank. Just keep going. It's the 1960's. They won't have satellites and earth photography for a while yet. So it can be seen from aircraft but who cares?"


    :pac::pac::pac:


    So the architects and engineers hadn't a clue the shape of the building from drawing board to construction? :pac:


    That is priceless.


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    #341
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    The architects didn't build a model?


    "Oh, we've just broke ground...DAMN guys....Eddie, Joey, this thing is shaped like a swastika"

    Again, argument from incredulity. The context, and explanation, has already been given in the thread, here it is again:
    "Ground-breaking began for the six-building complex at the Coronado US navy base in southern California in 1967. While the original plans called for two central buildings and a single L-shaped barracks, Naval Amphibious Base Complex 320-325 evolved in design. By the time it was finished in 1970 it had four L-shaped buildings - set at right angles. That was when the problem was spotted."
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/27/usa.technology

    You do realise the conspiracy explanation is that the building was shaped like a swastika on purpose to foreshadow the coming of the NWO, who are apparently Nazi's. Does that sound more plausible to you? Think.

    Why are you evading questions on your claims?


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    #342
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Note the recurring pattern:

    "I can't believe it, therefore conspiracy"
    "I don't understand it, therefore conspiracy"

    When asked, the conspiracy is never detailed in any coherent way and even the most basic questions are deliberately avoided.


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    #343
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Anyone could be asking these same questions.

    Keep in mind that you are trying to spread medical and anti-vaccination disinformation (under the guise of a conspiracy) about a serious situation.


    You're the one who has stated medical facts and you aren't even a doctor. Why should you have the audacity to assert such things when you have no clue and are not qualified to do so yet you scoff at others who are eminently more qualified than you are.


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    #344
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You're the one who has stated medical facts and you aren't even a doctor. Why should you have the audacity to assert such things when you have no clue and are not qualified to do so yet you scoff at others who are eminently more qualified than you are.

    Because the facts are from doctors and medical experts. I'm not the source, they are.


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    #345
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You're the one who has stated medical facts and you aren't even a doctor. Why should you have the audacity to assert such things when you have no clue and are not qualified to do so yet you scoff at others who are eminently more qualified than you are.
    But all the doctors who disagree with you any the conspiracy theory are either in on it or are incompetent?


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    #346
    99nsr125
    Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    harrylittle wrote: »
    people will get fed up of covid 19 with the low death rate ... so to keep people under control they release a more severe outbreak.

    Well now . . . UK Variant . . .


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    #347
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    alcohol or alzheimers would not be listed as cause of death but would be listed as major contributing factors. the world isn't black and white.


    Exactly. So a guy falls off a ladder and sustains trauma to his body and then dies and is then tested positive for covid then why would he be classified as dying from covid if he broke his neck/skull/entire torso as a result of the fall?


    Maybe his medical condition whether it be covid, vertigo, depression, a hangover, myopia, epilepsy, his mobile going off and causing him to get startled and lose his footing, etc., but it's NOT the cause of death.


    Are you really that blinkered?


    If a guy with schizophrenia wanders around the street, his condition clearly "contributing" to him being outside the "norm" and he approaches a gang and starts screaming at them and one of them gets them hump and kicks the sh1t out of him and he dies, are you going to try and maintain that his psychological condition was his cause of death?



    Spare me the "contributing factor" drivel. He would be classified as have being assaulted and killed and that would be the cause of death. Much the same as our man who came off the ladder. He didn't die as a result of covid infection. He died because he fell and smashed his body into the ground.


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    #348
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's just a stat. Many who get Covid don't literally die of the disease, they die of complications arising from contracting it.

    The only types who have an issue with this are those trying to downplay the virus to fit whatever fringe world view/conspiracy they have.



    Decreased significantly because every one is wearing masks, social distancing, etc. Those measures impact all infectious illnesses.


    All infectious diseases?


    Since when did wearing a paper mask stem the spread of HIV? You said ALL infectious diseases, did you not? What about Tetanus, HPV, Hepatitis?


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    #349
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Quiner wrote: »
    So what's a person who doesn't have a smart phone supposed to do if the pub, the café, the the cinema, basically everywhere, insists on scanning the phone?


    There are people who are terrified of the term "freedom". They can't truly contemplate it so fight tooth and nail to insist that control, ANY form, is good for them.



    What is freedom? It's a word that's bandied about all the time but nobody, least of all the apologists and shills for succumbing to some form of control, can't even define let alone envisage.



    They say is you want to participate in society then you must follow certain rules. And we're not talking about laws that protect people from violence or theft. We're talking about simple rules. Who gives anybody the right to demand where you are going? Why, when a baby is born it must be given a certificate and a number as proof of some kind of validation?


    These questions are avoided because to address them is uncomfortable.


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    #350
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Lol, ok please provide (real) examples of this happening, thanks



    Wow, okay so who "manufactured" the 2008 FC?

    I'm curious to know since I work in the field, and have studied that crisis. No paste-dumps from Zerohedge or 3 hour conspiracy videos, proper sources thanks.


    Well if you work in the field then I'm sure you are au-fait with the term "Starve The Beast" economics.



    You keep demanding "sources" and spit out adolescent little slurs like "not Zero-hedge please" or other little puerile qualifiers.



    Ireland's forced bailout of the banks was as a result of threats from Timothy Geithner. Greenspan's free money programs and the abolition of Glass-Steagall allowed the entire global financial system to become predicated upon the notion of phantom leverage and casino capitalism based on tranches of undefinable debt. It was an entire Ponzi scheme.


    When the scam started to unravel the main perpetrators such as Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, The Federal Reserve, the IMF, the ECB, even the BIS allowed smaller minnows like Bear Stearns, Lehman, go balls to the wall. They then saw the opportunity to pick the scraps off the carcasses of not only existent business entities but the fabric of nations coupled with the throttling of public services.



    For someone who claims to be "in this field" you have a dismal understanding of the subject.


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    #351
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Apparently they don't want their barracks to look like a Swastika. Again, what's the conspiracy explanation?

    Why are you ignoring the questions about your extraordinary claim that deliberately crashing economies is a thing and that the 2008 FC (a global systemic crisis) was deliberately manufactured?



    It's not "discrimination" and it's not a "medical condition", it's an infectious disease. If you e.g. have a temperature you aren't allowed on planes, why? because you are putting other people's health at risk




    Why do you keep trying to hammer the "what's the conspiracy" question.
    I didn't say there was ANY conspiracy. I was merely replying to your ludicrous assertion that they didn't know the building was shaped like a swastika.



    Even the dumbest parents, e.g, surname Kelly, would step back and reconsider after contemplating naming their bundle of joy "Kevin Kyle Kelly".



    (KKK if that went over your head)


    Yet you claim that they didn't know that the building was shaped like a swastika until they started digging. And you are really trying to sell that gibberish?


    No conspiracy at all.



    Maybe the kid who delivered the breakfast rolls just saw trucks and cranes and diggers and hadn't a clue what the end product was supposed to look like but you are trying to say the architects and surveyors and planners and engineers didn't know?



    :pac::pac:


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    #352
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Again, argument from incredulity. The context, and explanation, has already been given in the thread, here it is again:


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/27/usa.technology

    You do realise the conspiracy explanation is that the building was shaped like a swastika on purpose to foreshadow the coming of the NWO, who are apparently Nazi's. Does that sound more plausible to you? Think.

    Why are you evading questions on your claims?


    I have zero interest in whether or not the building is swastika shaped. It doesn't bother me in the slightest and I certainly don't think a building would be shaped in such a way to convey a sinister message. Many churches and cathedrals are shaped as a Latin cross, so what. What I find a stretch is your assertion that the builders only spotted this "boo-boo" after the thing was completed.



    You said, did you not, that they only noticed after they broke ground.


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    #353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    ".
    Yet you claim that they didn't know that the building was shaped like a swastika until they started digging. And you are really trying to sell that gibberish?

    :pac::pac:

    Astounding isn't it :pac: I've said it before; the architects and construction workers must of been the same guys who were watching Epstein on 24/7 suicide watch, lol.

    He obviously doesn't really believe it. Just too stubborn to admit otherwise.


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    #354
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Because the facts are from doctors and medical experts. I'm not the source, they are.


    Then quote the sources that you are so adamant that others do instead of making medical claims on your own.


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    #355
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Astounding isn't it :pac: I've said it before; the architects and construction workers must of been the same guys who were watching Epstein on 24/7 suicide watch, lol.

    He obviously doesn't really believe it. Just too stubborn to admit otherwise.


    You'll get these worn out cliches and circle-jerk tactics from the guy.


    He'll come out and say "masks combat all infectious diseases". You'll counter by saying "masks don't counter syphillis" and his kick back will be "Where's the conspiracy here? Stop avoiding the question!"



    :pac:


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    #356
    [Deleted User]
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    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You'll get these worn out cliches and circle-jerk tactics from the guy.


    He'll come out and say "masks combat all infectious diseases". You'll counter by saying "masks don't counter syphillis" and his kick back will be "Where's the conspiracy here? Stop avoiding the question!"



    :pac:


    He needs to retire from boards.ie.

    Man is done :D


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    #357
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Mod

    Don't make me loose my limited Christmas cheer and retire anyone from here.

    Less of the personal attacks on all sides.


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    #358
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Why do you keep trying to hammer the "what's the conspiracy" question.
    I didn't say there was ANY conspiracy. I was merely replying to your ludicrous assertion that they didn't know the building was shaped like a swastika.



    Even the dumbest parents, e.g, surname Kelly, would step back and reconsider after contemplating naming their bundle of joy "Kevin Kyle Kelly".



    (KKK if that went over your head)


    Yet you claim that they didn't know that the building was shaped like a swastika until they started digging. And you are really trying to sell that gibberish?


    No conspiracy at all.



    Maybe the kid who delivered the breakfast rolls just saw trucks and cranes and diggers and hadn't a clue what the end product was supposed to look like but you are trying to say the architects and surveyors and planners and engineers didn't know?



    :pac::pac:

    It wasn't shaped like that initially, as per the article. Who cares anyway?


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    #359
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    You'll get these worn out cliches and circle-jerk tactics from the guy.


    He'll come out and say "masks combat all infectious diseases". You'll counter by saying "masks don't counter syphillis" and his kick back will be "Where's the conspiracy here? Stop avoiding the question!"



    :pac:

    You are being willfully disingenuous. Clearly he meant all air-transmissable infections. You will make wild logical leaps of faith from nonsense spouted by snake oil salesmen but you won't do so here, as it doesn't fit with your pre-established biases.


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    #360
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Exactly. So a guy falls off a ladder and sustains trauma to his body and then dies and is then tested positive for covid then why would he be classified as dying from covid if he broke his neck/skull/entire torso as a result of the fall?

    He fell off the ladder because he was ill from Covid. Sometimes people have falls because they are ill.

    Again, your views are consistent with Covid denial; trying to downplay the number of people who have died as a result of Covid by being pedantic about individual cases


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    #361
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    He fell off the ladder because he was ill from Covid. Sometimes people have falls because they are ill.

    Again, your views are consistent with Covid denial; trying to downplay the number of people who have died as a result of Covid by being pedantic about individual cases
    Yup.
    "Here's one case (nevermind it turns out not the be true) so that obviously must be the same for the hundreds of thousands of cases I believe are fake."


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