UFC 259

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 1:06am

Some reach difference

07-03-2021 1:06am

Hyped for this but v conflicted re predictions.... that's usually sign of a great/tight card:
HEART
(Prelim) Kara-France
(Prelim) Benavidez
(Prelim) Dominic
Santos
Dober
Aljo
Nunes/Anderson (meh, I have a heart, can't pick, but Nunes obvs)
Jan
HEAD
(Prelim) Kara-France
(Prelim) Askarov
(Prelim) Dominic
Santos
Machachev
Yan
Nunes
Adesanya

Break my heart UFC259...I expect you to...

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 1:17am

Boom, don’t know how that got to a second round.
Not the most technical striking but fun to watch.

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 1:18am

mdwexford wrote: »

Boom, don’t know how that got to a second round.
Not the most technical striking but fun to watch.

Yeah that was a pretty crazy fight.

derfderf · 07-03-2021 1:36am

Dude walking out to Sephiroth's music.

Senor Frog · 07-03-2021 2:12am

Both ranked number eight , that's a new one on me

rob316 · 07-03-2021 2:20am

What a mad ending. Dean is a poor ref, had no idea what was going on there.

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 2:20am

Another bizarre Herb Dean stoppage.

Kara-France did amazingly well to not get subbed there.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:21am

Kara-France tries to stop the fight himself, then tries to restart it again himself :pac:

Superb finish!

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:21am

Senor Frog wrote: »

Both ranked number eight , that's a new one on me

Well a retired guy is the 155 champ so anything is possible.

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 2:22am

mdwexford wrote: »

Another bizarre Herb Dean stoppage.

Kara-France did amazingly well to not get subbed there.

herb didn't stop it until he came back to hit him after running round octagon

rob316 · 07-03-2021 2:22am

Great finish and unreal defence to get out of some pretty bad positions.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:25am

finglashoop wrote: »

herb didn't stop it until he came back to hit him after running round octagon

I'd be of the train of thought that once Dean touches the fighter, the fight is called.

I don't think that's the rule, I'm sure he has to say "stop", but he didn't exactly give him a chance.

Still though, bizarre!

eggy81 · 07-03-2021 2:27am

The €3.00 I had on Kara France for the craic looked gone there. Not sure how he wasn’t put away when he gave up his back. Dis really well to fight the hands.

Senor Frog · 07-03-2021 2:27am

Haha herb looked so confused at the end there during the announcements.

I think he let the fight continue ,and when Kara-France realised what was happening and went for the follow up the buzzer sounded as herb stepped in ? Think herb was thinking round2 ?

eggy81 · 07-03-2021 2:28am

Senor Frog wrote: »

Haha herb look so confused at the end there during the announcements.

I think he let the fight continue ,and when Kara-France realised what was happening and went for the follow up the buzzer sounded as herb stepped in ? Think herb was thinking round2 ?

Kind of seemed like herb was moving to stop it but was very indecisive about it. Caught by surprise too maybe.

rob316 · 07-03-2021 2:29am

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'd be of the train of thought that once Dean touches the fighter, the fight is called.

I don't think that's the rule, I'm sure he has to say "stop", but he didn't exactly give him a chance.

Still though, bizarre!

He's supposed to wave his hands off. It's worrying when a fighter knows a it's over before the ref. So indecisive

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 2:31am

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'd be of the train of thought that once Dean touches the fighter, the fight is called.

I don't think that's the rule, I'm sure he has to say "stop", but he didn't exactly give him a chance.

Still though, bizarre!

herb seemed to bump into him rather than drag him away when he dropped him. so he never stopped the fight until he came back.

official time was announced as 4.55? not sure what was on clock when he dropped him

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:34am

I don't get the criticism of Herb here. Kara-France hit Bontorin and he falls and lands on his head so he was properly out. Kara-France walks off straight away and at the same time Herb is running in to stop it. Before he even gets to Kara-France he is already walking away so no need for Herb to try and push him away but it was obvious given his actions the fight was over. Herb was nearly wrapping his arms around Kara-France. The weird part was Kara-France coming in afterwards and attempting a stike.

EDIT: Just watched it back. Herb actually does touch Kara-France, hold him and sort of push him away.

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 2:36am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't get the criticism of Herb here. Kara-France hit Bontorin and he falls and lands on his head so he was properly out. Kara-France walks off straight away and at the same time Herb is running in to stop it. Before he even gets to Kara-France he is already walking away so no need for Herb to try and push him away but it was obvious given his actions the fight was over. Herb was nearly wrapping his arms around Kara-France. The weird part was Kara-France coming in afterwards and attempting a stike.

at no stage does herb indicate fight is over. what was official time of stoppage?

not when he dropped them and walked off.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:36am

rob316 wrote: »

He's supposed to wave his hands off. It's worrying when a fighter knows a it's over before the ref. So indecisive

But Kara-France had run off while Herb was coming in to stop it. He touches KKF and motions him away from his opponent.

KKF knew it was over, Dean knew it was over, the lad seeing stars knew it was over........ I'm not sure Dean is at fault here

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:38am

finglashoop wrote: »

at no stage does herb indicate fight is over. what was official time of stoppage?

not when he dropped them and walked off.

I disagree. This is obviously the ref stopping the fight. If you seen this during a fight and it wasn't over you'd be calling the ref a clown.

https://streamable.com/w06n63

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:40am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I disagree. This is obviously the ref stopping the fight. If you seen this during a fight and it wasn't over you'd be calling the ref a clown.

https://streamable.com/w06n63

Completely unambiguous for me. Also,looked to be about bang on 4:55 too.

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:44am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Completely unambiguous for me. Also,looked to be about bang on 4:55 too.

Herb runs in puts his hands on Kara-France and bumps him, sees Bontorin getting in and runs to him to protect him. Can't see anything wrong with it at all. The only weird part is Kara-France after wards.

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 2:46am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Herb runs in puts his hands on Kara-France and bumps him, sees Bontorin getting in and runs to him to protect him. Can't see anything wrong with it at all. The only weird part is Kara-France after wards.

hes obviously under impression he hasnt stopped the fight.

07-03-2021 2:46am

Is it just me who finds DC absolutely awful on commentary? He's so poor it makes the whole thing seem small-time, like someone's mate being allowed to have a try.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:46am

Joey B looking more and more like Eddie Munster every time I see him!

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:47am

finglashoop wrote: »

hes obviously under impression he hasnt stopped the fight.

Running away celebrating is a weird way to show it

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:51am

finglashoop wrote: »

hes obviously under impression he hasnt stopped the fight.

He's just had the ref grab him and bump him pushing him away. Then the ref is standing over Bontorin in a way that block Kara-France from easily getting to him. The fight is over and it is pretty obvious.

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 2:51am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Running away celebrating is a weird way to show it

yep i agree. but how many times do you see someone celebrate before a fight is called

herb wasnt clear fight was over until he came back. it was a strange sequence

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 2:54am

finglashoop wrote: »

yep i agree. but how many times do you see someone celebrate before a fight is called

herb wasnt clear fight was over until he came back.

The full question here should be:

How often do you see someone celebrate, be grabbed by the ref, be pushed away by the ref and have the ref stand over his opponent and stop him from standing up as he's unsteady from being knocked out?

Never

AlmightyCushion · 07-03-2021 2:57am

Benavidez actually looks small here.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:02am

That's that for Joey B! Him and Faber will forever be tied for number of UFC titles held.

Game over.

finglashoop · 07-03-2021 3:03am

MrStuffins wrote: »

The full question here should be:

How often do you see someone celebrate, be grabbed by the ref, be pushed away by the ref and have the ref stand over his opponent and stop him from standing up as he's unsteady from being knocked out?

Never

as i said i dont disagree that the fight was over when he falls straight down on his head

how is a fight officially called as over?

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:05am

After grabbing Kara-France Herb should have stood over the guy and waved his hands over his head to signal it being over.

The fact the fighters, commentators and the viewers weren’t 100% sure what was going on means he didn’t make himself clear, imo.

Askarov was very impressive there, champ in waiting......possibly.

07-03-2021 3:07am

Looking forward to the next fight. It's never a boring fight with Song Yadong involved. I consider him a Gaethje-esque fighter, blocks punches with his face and never stops swinging. Hope he can pull out a win here.

mdwexford wrote: »

After grabbing Kara-France Herb should have stood over the guy and waved his hands over his head to signal it being over.

The fact the fighters, commentators and the viewers weren’t 100% sure what was going on means he didn’t make himself clear, imo.

Askarov was very impressive there, champ in waiting......possibly.

This is the main issue I have with Dean, he leaves it open to interpretation. If a fighter walks off thinking he has a KO Dean should either shout "Keep fighting!" if he believes a fighter can still defend himself or wave his hands to signal the fight is off. He seems caught on two minds most of the time.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:10am

mdwexford wrote: »

After grabbing Kara-France Herb should have stood over the guy and waved his hands over his head to signal it being over.

He could have stood over him doing the Macarena for all Kara-France knew. He was running around the place like a lunatic.

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:15am

MrStuffins wrote: »

He could have stood over him doing the Macarena for all Kara-France knew. He was running around the place like a lunatic.

Haha you made me laugh out loud with that one. True story.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:23am

I don't remember seeing Kyler Phillips fight before but I'll be looking out for him in future. Very impressive

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:28am

Close fight. Probably Phillips but could go the other way.

07-03-2021 3:30am

Had Song 29-28 but it was tight. A lot tighter than you'd think from commentary. :pac:

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:32am

Very close fight. Had Phillips 29/28 but as said above, could have went the other way.

Impressed by Phillips

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:38am

Let’s go Dom!

Think he’s fighting for his career here. Losing is not an option.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:40am

Mad to see Cruz go from where he was to being an underdog v an unranked opponent.

Pulling for him here

07-03-2021 3:51am

Cruz look gassed in the second?

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:52am

This is tight.

I’ve round 1 Dom, round 2 Kenny.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 3:58am

Rounds 1 & 3 to Cruz.

I gave him round 2 as well but I can see 29/28 here.

Either way, Cruz should take it

mdwexford · 07-03-2021 3:58am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Rounds 1 & 3 to Cruz.

I gave him round 2 as well but I can see 29/28 here.

Either way, Cruz should take it

I agree and hope we are right.

07-03-2021 4:01am

Right result but Jesus.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 4:01am

Three completely different scorecards.

Right man won though

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