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Numerous HEO ICT PAS Roles

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    TestLink wrote: »
    The civil service salary is low but the work load is not that low ! Like the 29K starting salary for EO is pathetic.

    I assume that any work past 5pm would count as overtime, as in non-ICT HEO roles, at least? If so, that's a decent perk compared to many workplaces.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    floorpie wrote: »
    I assume that any work past 5pm would count as overtime, as in non-ICT HEO roles, at least? If so, that's a decent perk compared to many workplaces.

    Core office hours are 10-4 but you can work from 7.30-19.30, so overtime wouldn't be counted unless its after that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    floorpie wrote: »
    I assume that any work past 5pm would count as overtime, as in non-ICT HEO roles, at least? If so, that's a decent perk compared to many workplaces.

    Many are in at 8 and out at 4, contractors in to 5:30


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 greyslate


    rostalof wrote: »
    it's worked out from your career average salary. Pre-2013 it was worked out from your average salary for your last three years.

    The current scheme works something like this. You start as a HEO on €48k per year and end up on something like €62k a year. Over your 40 year career, lets say your average salary was €55k per year.

    So (40/80) x 55,000 = 27,500
    Your pension will be €27,500 made up of the state contributory pension (just under €13) topped up by your civil service pension to €27,500

    If your currently 43 years old for example, then you only have 25 years to the projected retirement age of 68 (to be introduced in 2027 although it could be quicker the way things are going)

    Then your career average may be lower and your years service will be only 25. Lets say your average is €50k in this instance.

    So (25/80) x 50,000 = 15,625
    Your pension will be €15,625 made up of the state contributory pension topped up by your civil service pension to €15,625

    There's also a tax free lump sum which is worked out in a similar way but I can't remember at the minute.

    That my friends, is your "gold plated public\civil service pension" that the media in this bleat on about incessantly. Oh and there's also an added deduction from your wages, to pay for the premium pensions of the pre-2013 entrants. Isn't that lovely!

    Thanks for responding. Do you have any links to confirm that the State Contributory Pension is included in the Civil Service pension? I had assumed it was paid in addition to it. If this is true it's a pretty terrible deal even compared to my current private sector DC plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭strangel00p


    floorpie wrote: »
    I assume that any work past 5pm would count as overtime, as in non-ICT HEO roles, at least? If so, that's a decent perk compared to many workplaces.


    No, that is not the case, overtime is very rare. HEO is a very low paid job considering the type of work involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 rvcedd


    Does anyone know whether the initial response following the application will be communicated by email or by other means (say a phone call?) I got a call from a random number 2 days ago and I've been wondering since whether it could be publicjobs. I didn't have my voicemail set-up at the time so there was no chance of leaving a voice note.

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    rvcedd wrote: »
    Does anyone know whether the initial response following the application will be communicated by email or by other means (say a phone call?) I got a call from a random number 2 days ago and I've been wondering since whether it could be publicjobs. I didn't have my voicemail set-up at the time so there was no chance of leaving a voice note.

    Thanks.

    They send messages to your profile on the pas site, so you should get an email saying you have a message and login to check it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    I got a message today for an Online Assessment. I applied for both HEO and EO roles in software development.

    Not sure which role the assessment is for.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    HugoMyBoss wrote: »
    I got a message today for an Online Assessment. I applied for both HEO and EO roles in software development.

    Not sure which role the assessment is for.

    Sorry, its the EO level role.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    Online Assessment! Is it only for EO s/w development stream or for Infra support as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    TestLink wrote: »
    Online Assessment! Is it only for EO s/w development stream or for Infra support as well?

    The tests are for the 3 EO ICT streams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    HugoMyBoss wrote: »
    The tests are for the 3 EO ICT streams.

    Is this the first time there is an online exam. Never happened to me before!


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    TestLink wrote: »
    Is this the first time there is an online exam. Never happened to me before!

    Not sure, have you applied for previous EO ICT roles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    HugoMyBoss wrote: »
    Not sure, have you applied for previous EO ICT roles?

    Yes. There was only interviews. Might be this time lots of people applied for this role and they want to shortlist!


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    TestLink wrote: »
    Yes. There was only interviews. Might be this time lots of people applied for this role and they want to shortlist!

    Did you get the job and now fancy a change?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    Yes, I got it. But left that when I got another higher salary Public Sector IT job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    TestLink wrote: »
    Is this the first time there is an online exam. Never happened to me before!

    I did an online assessment test for the EO ICT competition in February 2015, followed by another one in person in PAS HQ, Charter House, D1 about a month later.


  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭maconof


    Does anyone have a copy of the handbook for the 3 EO ICT stream opportunities? Was sure I had it saved but apparently not!

    Wanted to take another look before trying the online assessment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    Did any of you get any communication from Publicjobs regarding the HEO ICT roles? Any idea about the shortlisting and interview dates?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    TestLink wrote: »
    Did any of you get any communication from Publicjobs regarding the HEO ICT roles? Any idea about the shortlisting and interview dates?

    Not yet, was about to ask the same thing!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 rvcedd


    Not yet either still waiting


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    For the EO competition, reminder that the deadline for the assessment is today at 1pm. It's the typical Cut-E assessment, but I'd highly recommend practicing the inductive part somewhere else first, e.g. there's a sample here: https://www.assessmentday.co.uk/free/inductive-logic/index.php


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    1pm today


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    doc22 wrote: »
    1pm today

    Jese thanks, apologies all, edited. Lucky I didn't wait until the last minute :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    floorpie wrote: »
    Jese thanks, apologies all, edited. Lucky I didn't wait until the last minute :confused:

    I did inductive part there now. very hard without practice


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    doc22 wrote: »
    I did inductive part there now. very hard without practice

    Next to impossible imo. That being said, the sample I linked to was more difficult than those in the assessment I feel.

    The deductive logic was also different for me than the video linked to in the information booklet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    floorpie wrote: »
    Next to impossible imo. That being said, the sample I linked to was more difficult than those in the assessment I feel.

    The deductive logic was also different for me than the video linked to in the information booklet.

    I answered the first 3 quick enough then ......:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    doc22 wrote: »
    I answered the first 3 quick enough then ......:eek:

    I was baffled by the surprise test, having practiced the deductive that they linked us to. Both inductive and deductive were essentially technique based, so I'm not sure that they're assessing anything useful...? I.e. a person could fail them in this competition but ace them in the next, so what's the point in that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭olearydc


    Yes

    Both inductive and deductive tests were tough alright


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Hydration


    doc22 wrote: »
    I answered the first 3 quick enough then ......:eek:

    Same experience I had exactly. I selected this one first(Deductive Logic) as I thought it would be the easy one of the four tests. How wrong I was. Once I saw this I knew it was all over for me. Devastated I am, as I really wanted this position. The AO comp is my last chance now so I will learn from the mistakes of this one.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 rvcedd


    Still no word on the HEO role? Is it usual for the some of the positions in a panel to be progressed with much faster than others or is it likely that I've missed out perhaps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 rvcedd


    I emailed PAS about the HEO role and this what I got back:

    "It is anticipated that shortlisting for this competition will take place in mid-November with interviews commencing late Nov/early Dec. All candidates will be informed of the outcome of the shortlisting stage as soon as the results are available. The competition will remain open for 18 months approx. "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    Yeah not surprised its been delayed. Short listing was supposed to be the middle of this month, with interviews mid/end of November. Pity, would have hoped things would have been moving a bit quicker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭bada_bing


    just got an update from publicjobs regarding the shortlisting which has been divided into 2 groups. Those with extremely strong experience deemed suitable for the roles are going to proceed directly to the interview stage while others whose experience is deemed as sufficient enough are placed on a reserve panel which i presume which will be called upon to interview when there are no more suitable candidates from the first group.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭HugoMyBoss


    Thanks for the update Bada, have the people on the first batch going for interview been notified yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭bada_bing


    i don't know anything about that as i fall into the reserve panel so looks like it could be a while before anything happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    greyslate wrote: »
    Thanks for responding. Do you have any links to confirm that the State Contributory Pension is included in the Civil Service pension? I had assumed it was paid in addition to it. If this is true it's a pretty terrible deal even compared to my current private sector DC plan.

    Anyone in any post 1995 scheme (the majority of the sector at this point) is getting a pension which includes the SCP in all of its calculations, not in addition to it. The posters explaination of the pensions scheme for new starters is one hundred percent accurate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    I only got reserve panel also, pretty disappointed. Anyone know what this means in terms of, e.g. timeline, how large each panel typically is etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    floorpie wrote: »
    I only got reserve panel also, pretty disappointed. Anyone know what this means in terms of, e.g. timeline, how large each panel typically is etc

    Just FYI, to all on here. It can literally be a two plus year timeline from applying for one of these roles to actually getting an offer and another few months between offer and start. This depends on the panel lifetime, usually between one and two years.
    If you end up higher up the panel that would reduce the 2 years significantly.
    From application to being told you made the panel can be anything from 2 months to 6 or 7 months depending on a few variables.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭bada_bing


    without knowing what the size of the first panel is, it's hard to judge but it's likely that some of those candidates will probably find other jobs or may not be happy with the positions that they get offered. i think the panel will be valid for 18 months.

    Also bear in mind these candidates have to pass and score well at the interviews so there might be some that won't meet the expected requirements


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    floorpie wrote: »
    I only got reserve panel also, pretty disappointed. Anyone know what this means in terms of, e.g. timeline, how large each panel typically is etc

    I didnt get any notification or messages yet regarding HEO ICT shortlisting! Why only for some people?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    TestLink wrote: »
    I didnt get any notification or messages yet regarding HEO ICT shortlisting! Why only for some people?

    Perhaps different streams? The message I got was for software dev


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭TestLink


    Ohhh! I didnt apply for s/w stream...


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭trigger26


    Got an interview there for networks and security stream early December, I applied for infra stream too but nothing on that so far


  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    bada_bing wrote: »
    i don't know anything about that as i fall into the reserve panel so looks like it could be a while before anything happens

    Same as this in my case too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Is there a difference between being a Reserve and being in a typical Batch 2?
    trigger26 wrote: »
    Got an interview there for networks and security stream early December, I applied for infra stream too but nothing on that so far

    Congrats! Best of luck


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭trigger26


    floorpie wrote: »
    Is there a difference between being a Reserve and being in a typical Batch 2?



    Congrats! Best of luck

    I think branch 2 would be ahead of reserve panel


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Thrillhouse11


    Results of the EO ICT assessments are being sent around today, hope everyone got on OK.

    I got a decent OOM (I think?) but scored slightly below 2143 in the assessments overall so I won't be called for the first batch. Then again, considering how long it took to get the results out I'd say a good few candidates have already accepted other positions elsewhere, so who knows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    From looking at results not many aced them. 2500/3200 would be putting you at/near top 10 for software dev. I'd say plenty didn't make the oom. I was closer to the cut then I'd like for a few tests


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭cbmonstra


    Just checking if anyone who applied under the Operations stream has heard anything yet? This is the stream I applied for, and no communication so far. Thanks


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