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Numerous HEO ICT PAS Roles

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  • Registered Users Posts: 42 R75MM


    Very quiet here - does this mean there is no interest?

    Just to note:
    The Executive Office Panel (https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option...ignId=20178102)
    Employing Department/Authority has been changed to: "Civil Service" this was "Office of the Government Chief Information Officer" so it must be all part of the one competition - just different 'streams' etc.

    Anyone applying at all?

    - R7


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 proFriendL


    I'm going to apply for "ICT Specialists - Digital Transformation and Business Engagement" suits my skillset ... anyone else??


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭ TestLink


    Some of the cons with the PublicJobs Civil Service ICT campaigns are

    1.The successful candidates doesnt have a say in which department they would be going. PublicJobs dictates this. I was in the 2019 HEO ICT panel and was assigned to a dept I was not interested in going. So I rejected the offer.

    2. The reference process takes ages.

    3.The person who was in charge of last campaign was not communicating well with the candidates. I had to email several times back and forth for getting updates about status of the references,medical reports etc. Even after a reference was obtained 2 weeks ago the person in charge was not communicating that to me.

    4. Probation is 1 year

    5. You might be assigned to an area where you have no experience in. You might be currently working in an area like Networking / Server Support / Service Desk etc and could be assigned to a Application Support role writing SQL Stored Procedures!

    Above said, if you are lucky you might get a role you are interested in, in a dept you like. So sort of hit and miss...


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 proFriendL


    TestLink thanks for the insight.. can I ask which stream you applied for??


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭ TestLink


    proFriendL wrote: »
    TestLink thanks for the insight.. can I ask which stream you applied for??

    Last time it was for ICT Infra Support.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 proFriendL


    Was there AP ICT open competition this year??
    I think last year HEO & AP open ICT were ran at the same time?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,905 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Is there any realistic hope of these positions not being Dublin based - and if so, where might they be?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    Is there any realistic hope of these positions not being Dublin based - and if so, where might they be?

    D/Housing have some IT team in Wexford, and D/Agriculture have some in Portlaoise, as far as I know. D/Education have some infrastructure people in Tullamore.

    No idea if those teams are or will be looking for people in this campaign.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭ Burgo


    D/Housing have some IT team in Wexford, and D/Agriculture have some in Portlaoise, as far as I know. D/Education have some infrastructure people in Tullamore.

    No idea if those teams are or will be looking for people in this campaign.

    Killarney is the HQ for Culture, a number of IT staff there, they also have staff in galway and wexford for now.
    Could be a case made for WFH!

    Kind of surprised that these competitions went ahead. Seems to be 2 seperate trains of thought for IT in the CS.
    On one hand there are these comps for professional IT posts.(Great IMO) On the other hand there is a big push to centralise IT services within OGCIO, which would make posts within each department reduntant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭ FenFlynn


    I’m considering applying for these jobs but I only have the qualifications, missing a year experience. Not sure if there is any hope at all making shortlisting. Anyone applied before any tips on how strict they are with experience. And any tips on how to write the application forms? I’m finding it really tough going. Thanks in advance


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭ floorpie


    The listed relevant (required) experience for Business Engagement seem quite high for a payscale starting on 48k....governance of ICT initiatives, contributions to ICT standards? How stringent are these requirements?

    Bit ridiculous but is it possible to apply to all 3 HEO roles and the EO role? Would this influence any decisions on their part?


  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭ TestLink


    There would be separate interviews for all the four HEO ICT streams. Separate interview also for EO ICT.

    I dont think interview to the roles of HEO ICT and EO roles are linked as the application forms and selection process are separate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 proFriendL


    Did the Location change for these jobs, I was sure they all said Nationwide.. now today only the software one says Dublin,Nationwide and the rest just say Dublin
    I'm halfway through filling in the application & not interested in Dublin


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭ floorpie


    The texts say mostly Dublin but potentially anywhere:

    "It is envisaged that the majority of vacancies arising over the lifetime of the panel will be located in Dublin. However, a limited number of vacancies may also arise in regional locations which may filled from this panel."


  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭ kathleen37


    This is from the booklet for Infrastructure and Operations;

    Vacancies and Location

    Applicants who are successful in this competition will be placed on a panel, in an order of merit. ICT
    Specialist vacancies arising across the Civil Service may be filled from this panel. Such vacancies
    may exist in one of many Government Departments/Offices, or in a Civil Service role in an ‘agency’
    of a Government Department, including organisations such as the Department of Agriculture, Food
    and the Marine, the Office of the Government CIO in the Department of Public Expenditure and
    Reform, the Revenue Commissioners, the State Laboratory, the Central Statistic’s Office, and An
    Garda Siochána.

    It is envisaged that the majority of vacancies arising over the lifetime of the panel will be located in
    Dublin. However, a limited number of vacancies may also arise in regional locations which may be
    filled from this panel.


    That was the only one I downloaded so doesn't look to be any change in that one


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    floorpie wrote: »
    The listed relevant (required) experience for Business Engagement seem quite high for a payscale starting on 48k....governance of ICT initiatives, contributions to ICT standards? How stringent are these requirements?

    Bit ridiculous but is it possible to apply to all 3 HEO roles and the EO role? Would this influence any decisions on their part?

    Requirements are generally fairly hard and fast. They will only want to interview those who meet the requirements, so you won't get through shortlisting if you don't demonstrate that you meet the requirements.

    You'll probably get better results by focusing on the one or two streams that best match your experience, and writing really clear applications with good examples rather than the broad blunder buss approach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    FenFlynn wrote: »
    I’m considering applying for these jobs but I only have the qualifications, missing a year experience. Not sure if there is any hope at all making shortlisting. Anyone applied before any tips on how strict they are with experience. And any tips on how to write the application forms? I’m finding it really tough going. Thanks in advance

    Read the booklet. Read it again and again. All the requirements are set out clearly, so tick them off as you provide evidence that you meet them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 rvcedd


    R75MM wrote: »
    Very quiet here - does this mean there is no interest?

    Just to note:
    The Executive Office Panel (
    Employing Department/Authority has been changed to: "Civil Service" this was "Office of the Government Chief Information Officer" so it must be all part of the one competition - just different 'streams' etc.

    Anyone applying at all?

    - R7

    Hi - seems like the link you shared is broken - is there another way of accessing it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    rvcedd wrote: »
    Hi - seems like the link you shared is broken - is there another way of accessing it?

    Search for it on the publicjobs.ie website


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭ floorpie


    Requirements are generally fairly hard and fast. They will only want to interview those who meet the requirements, so you won't get through shortlisting if you don't demonstrate that you meet the requirements.

    Thanks. I suppose what I should have asked is what level of experience are they expecting to hire for a HEO role? Because the requirements don't seem to be in-line with the 3 years experience specified.

    I know some non-ICT HEOs who are not long out of college and simply don't have much experience in the workplace. Whereas I know some very experienced ICT people who still couldn't say they have experience in governance of ICT in an organization, or have contributed to standards.
    You'll probably get better results by focusing on the one or two streams that best match your experience, and writing really clear applications with good examples rather than the broad blunder buss approach.
    I believe I could write 3 adequate unique applications, I'm just wary that PAS might, e.g., have mechanisms to filter out "spammy" applicants.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    floorpie wrote: »
    Thanks. I suppose what I should have asked is what level of experience are they expecting to hire for a HEO role? Because the requirements don't seem to be in-line with the 3 years experience specified.

    I know some non-ICT HEOs who are not long out of college and simply don't have much experience. Whereas I know some very experienced ICT people who still couldn't say they have experience in governance of ICT in an organization, or have contributed to standards.

    The requirements are exactly as set out in the booklet, no more and no less. There's no mystery or magic tricks. Read the requirements set out in the booklet, and write an application that clearly demonstrates how you meet that application.

    It doesn't matter at all what other HEO's have, ICT or not. There may be existing ICT HEOs that don't meet these requirements - that is entirely irrelevant. The requirements for THIS competition at THIS point in time are set out in the booklet.
    floorpie wrote: »

    I believe I could write 3 adequate unique applications, I'm just wary that PAS might, e.g., have mechanisms to filter out "spammy" applicants.
    They do - each application will be reviewed to see that it meets the minimum requirements. If you don't meet the requirements, or more accurately, you don't demonstrate that you meet the requirements, you will be rejected.

    If you do meet the requirements, you will be scored, and they will call for interview based on your score.

    I actually haven't read these booklets, so I'm open to correction, but that has been the process for similar competitions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭ flipflophead22


    Interested in the Security & Networks one but not in Dublin. Im in the west so no idea if i should apply or not...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 rvcedd


    Search for it on the publicjobs.ie website

    I did and couldn't find any more information other than the roles themselves. Under the "Campaign Updates" there is nothing related to this panel/set of jobs. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    rvcedd wrote: »
    I did and couldn't find any more information other than the roles themselves. Under the "Campaign Updates" there is nothing related to this panel/set of jobs. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?

    Thanks.

    What 'updates' are you looking for? The booklet is there, with instructions for how to apply. What more do you need?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    I wonder if being able to spell the name of the employing department is an essential requirement for the CTO role?

    https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=124103&campaignId=20191700


  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭ kathleen37


    I wonder if being able to spell the name of the employing department is an essential requirement for the CTO role?

    https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=124103&campaignId=20191700

    Yep, great communicaitons there...


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭ FenFlynn


    Just submitted mine today for one stream only. I wonder how long it would take to get a result back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭ trigger26


    FenFlynn wrote: »
    Just submitted mine today for one stream only. I wonder how long it would take to get a result back.

    Booklet says interviews would be starting October/November so shortlisting should be quick enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭ HugoMyBoss


    This thread is surprisingly quite! :confused:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭ floorpie


    HugoMyBoss wrote: »
    This thread is surprisingly quite! :confused:

    I wonder is that a good sign or is everybody keeping schtum... The posts on FB were similarly quiet.

    I do think that the requirements they list are a bit ridiculous. If you wholly fulfil them you would get you a FAR better salary elsewhere at the moment, moreso than the usual public/private discrepancy. Bit weird that 22 year old undergrads are getting a better package from non-FAANG bog standard companies, straight out of college, in Dublin, than senior ICT staff in CS. This may somewhat explain the quietness.

    That being said, I also got a few applications in


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