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Kevin Lunneys alleged attacker dies

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  • #152
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    FFS of course he was going to condemn the attack, how could he do anything but condemn it, to say anything else would point the finger st him.

    And having condemned it and lamented the fact that he would be blamed, Sean Quinn was accused of assuming the role of victim.

    This Dublin perspective of Sean Quinn is comical. It reminds me of Gene Hackman`s line in the movie Unforgiven: Innocent! Innocent of what?


  • #153
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    Random in so far as it was not ordered by a third party. I agree he was targeted.

    Your username is completely inappropriate


  • #154
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    lola85 wrote: »
    True.

    Not entirely

    Michael D is 78

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  • #155
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    I think it was just a few local lads unhappy with the way Dublin institutions ignored the incompetence of the financial regulator (which all taxpayers had to fund) and opted to go after the assets of Mr Quinn. Such anger with the Dublin government is entirely understandable in my opinion.

    Makes sense, cos in my experience groups of local lads down the pub do get upset about the activities of financial regulators. And decide to act out out that upset by kidnapping and viciously torturing a prominent businessman...


  • #156
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    The attack on Kevin Lunney was just one incident in a series of incidents over the last 6 or 7 years, most of them going unreported/under reported. The gang have waged a war of destruction in Derylin/ballyconnel area on QIH property and employees, this is not just random attacks by disgruntled thugs.

    Do you regularly read articles and then decide (based on nothing) that what you read didn’t actually happen at all and is just made up by the media or others to explain an incident/story?

    I have friends from that area having worked there years ago. They are firmly of the belief that SQ in behind these attacks. He is probably the only person with the financial means to pay the thugs to carry them out and he is the only person who could benefit from the current owners quitting the business. The thinking behind it is that if enough damage and harm is caused to the business and it’s management they’ll bail and sell the company. No one else in their right mind will buy it given them threat of similar happening to them. SQ will then buy the business for pennies through some foreign based front company and build it up again...which makes sense.


    SQ, which SQ?


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  • #157
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    coastwatch wrote: »
    SQ, which SQ?

    Michael Collins's SQuad, brought back for one last job.


  • #158
    tdf7187
    Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    coastwatch wrote: »
    SQ, which SQ?

    Sebastian Quo.


  • #159
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    SQ Snr or Jnr?


  • #160
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Scotty # wrote: »
    As has been widely reported, Quinn never sought to buy shares in Anglo, it was they who approached him, offering him a loan of the €3 billion to purchase shares and in the full knowledge that they had cooked the books.

    Quinn owned over 50 companies. The ONLY one not making a profit was Quinn Insurance but the others were making enough to cover it. Quinn asked in the bankruptcy/liquidation hearing could he offset the others against Quinn Insurance and Anglo objected, liquidating the lot.

    It's a little like a car dealer offering you a car he's clocked. You tell him you don't have the money and he says he'll lend it to you. You then find out the car is worthless, the dealer knew it was worthless, but the dealer still takes you to court for his money back, and wins!

    Meanwhile the top dogs in Anglo had been giving themselves 10's of millions in loans. None of it repaid, all now written off and paid for by you and me. And still, throughout the whole banking scandal in this country, the only person to ever spend time in prison, is Sean Quinn.

    The person who bought the car would be taking the dealer to court.


  • #161
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Makes sense, cos in my experience groups of local lads down the pub do get upset about the activities of financial regulators. And decide to act out out that upset by kidnapping and viciously torturing a prominent businessman...
    And obviously up in the border region, that'll show the "Dublin government".


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  • #162
    tdf7187
    Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    coastwatch wrote: »
    SQ Snr or Jnr?

    Well, that's a legitimate question. I don't think anyone knows.


  • #163
    FionnK86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    How can I watch Spotlight interview abroad?


  • #164
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    The Derbyshire police were literally only acting at the request of the Gardaí/PSNI. The English cops didn’t know the guy from Adam, and had no reason to. He was in a safe house in England. How do you think the Gardaí were supposed to arrest him themselves when he was outside their jurisdiction?

    More bullshyte.
    Do you think the Gardai should have tried a little bit of policing long before then ? And why are the English police the only ones carryout any tangible actions. lol


  • #165
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Not just for collecting motor tax and speeding fines. In a week where the Guards have been widely commended for how they conducted the investigation that secured the conviction of Ireland’s youngest murderers.

    Some kids in Kildare. . that they let run feral until some of them carry out the most botched amateur murder. Hardly intelligent effective policing.


  • #166
    alias no.9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Scotty # wrote: »
    But didn't Anglo pressure him into converting these to actual shares with further borrowings of another €2 billion in an effort to keep the banks share price stable?

    How could they do that, Quinn had no obligation towards Anglo, or more to the point, why would they need to, CFD's don't typically require either party to actually own shares, Anglo shouldn't really have cared about the transaction?

    If a person had lost their shirt on a CFD position, it's just not rational for them to buy the actual shares that they had been speculating upon, especially if they now know the company is a basketcase, unless of course the obligation existed to purchase the shares as part of the CFD.

    This kind of obligation to actually buy shares rather than pay the margin would be very unusual, the only rational explanation would be that the buyer was setting up the transaction such that on a specified future date, they would take a controlling interest in the company without the outsiders to the CFDs seeing the accumulation of that controlling interest.


  • #167
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    high_king wrote: »
    Some kids in Dublin . . that they let run feral until some of them carry out the most botched amateur murder. Hardly intelligent effective policing.


    Obviously you didn’t follow the investigation or trial. Referring to a murder carried out by two 13 year olds as “amateur” is pathetic. What were you hoping for, DNA awareness and alibis?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #168
    tipptom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tipptom


    I was kind of shocked after the documentary of how deluded and half crazed SQ seemed to be about the company and the blame he has put on the directors in his former company for what he done to the company.

    The secret video in public meetings of him saying his former directors stole the company off him and the way he invited all his supporters to the offices on the morning of him going back to the company as an advisor,handing out drinks in a party atmosphere as if he had taken back ownership.

    He must have taken this advisor gesture as a sign of weakness and thought he was close to the line on his aims and maybe one last round of savage violence would have got him there from whoever was orchestrating it.

    It was acts of madness aimed at the directors and maybe from his perspective they were young lads he started and stabbed him in the back but they didn't lose him the company,that was all down to him and if he thought some faceless American fund group was going to hand over a billion dollar business because of a local squabble thousands of miles away then he is even more crazed to be involved in it, to whatever degree he was.


  • #169
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    alias no.9 wrote: »
    How could they do that, Quinn had no obligation towards Anglo, or more to the point, why would they need to, CFD's don't typically require either party to actually own shares, Anglo shouldn't really have cared about the transaction?
    Anglo could not let Quinn fail because he controlled 25% of the banks stock and if that all hit the market at once, the share price would plummet. The margins were costing him millions per month. €500m in one month alone. This was all being funded by Anglo. They new they were on the road to disaster and THEY CONVINCED HIM to convert to shares to try and stabalise the share price eventually lending him €3.5b in total. This still wasn't enough to they approached the Maple Ten to sell a futher 10% in shares. All these shares were purchased under pressure from Anglo, who already knew they were on a sinking ship.

    alias no.9 wrote: »
    This kind of obligation to actually buy shares rather than pay the margin would be very unusual
    Have a read of this... https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/quinns-shock-anglo-stake-led-to-maple-ten-saga-265754.html


  • #170
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    RobbieMD wrote: »
    What about David Drumm, Willie McAteer, Denis Casey and John Bowe?
    I wasn't actually aware that Drumm had got a custodial sentence. This is great news. I must have been out of the country at the time.

    Mind you, he is in Lougrea. Hardly 'hard time'. If the anglo bosses had commited these crimes in the US they would never have seen the light of day again.


  • #171
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    coastwatch wrote: »
    SQ Snr or Jnr?

    Senior.


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  • #172
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Obviously you didn’t follow the investigation or trial. Referring to a murder carried out by two 13 year olds as “amateur” is pathetic. What were you hoping for, DNA awareness and alibis?
    Don't mind him. He hasnt a clue. One of these imaginary motorists beloved of Pat Kenny who claims to have been done for doing 31 in a 30 zone


  • #173
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    AlanG wrote: »
    According to locals someone who wants to get control of the company and has a lot of connections wants to drive down the value so that his family can use money they have hidden in Eastern Europe to buy QIH.
    These connections were built up through years of paying cash to local "security consultants". These consultants are no longer getting their payoffs as that person can not get their hands on money so easily.

    I think this ignores the likely genesis of the company and to me the most likely reason behind everything we've seen. Quinn isn't the sharpest tool in the box. I find it highly unlikely that he managed to build the businesses he did starting out with a sand lorry and a shovel. I would find it hard to believe that the businesses were used as a vehicle for laundering the ill gotten gains of our local terrorists. When the business was lost they lost their outlet to clean their dirty cash and they're hell bent on restoring the status quo. Quinn is just a grateful puppet.


  • #174
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Quinn never sought to buy shares in Anglo.
    Wrong.

    Quinn Insurance lost over €900 million in 2009. Largely because Quinn illegally borrowed money from the business to pay for his huge investment losses.

    Sean Quinn and his son went to jail for contempt of court by hiding millions in assets from the Irish taxpayer.

    This is not a good man done wrong story. This is the story of a greedy billionaire who gambled and lost and ordinary Irish people are picking up the tab.

    But apart from all that, the rest of Scotty #'s post was OK, yeah? :rolleyes:


  • #175
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    threeball wrote: »
    I think this ignores the likely genesis of the company and to me the most likely reason behind everything we've seen. Quinn isn't the sharpest tool in the box. I find it highly unlikely that he managed to build the businesses he did starting out with a sand lorry and a shovel. I would find it hard to believe that the businesses were used as a vehicle for laundering the ill gotten gains of our local terrorists. When the business was lost they lost their outlet to clean their dirty cash and they're hell bent on restoring the status quo. Quinn is just a grateful puppet.

    Crazy interpretation. The business was worth over six billion. How much money do you think the IRA had control of. They were deeply in debt


  • #176
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    threeball wrote: »
    Quinn isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

    I'd suspect he's sharper than any of the posters on this forum by long margin.


  • #177
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    Crazy interpretation. The business was worth over six billion. How much money do you think the IRA had control of. They were deeply in debt

    The businesses made money but they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the money coming from elsewhere. They're not trying to squeeze out the current administration out of a love loyalty to Quinn.


  • #178
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    high_king wrote: »
    I'd suspect he's sharper than any of the posters on this forum by long margin.

    If he is he hides it well. Can't even conduct an interview without letting the malice show.


  • #179
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    high_king wrote: »
    I'd suspect he's sharper than any of the posters on this forum by long margin.

    Nah, pal, I post here.


  • #180
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Nah, pal, I post here.

    I'm not very sharp myself, so I take your word for it that you are sharper than Sean Quinn.


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  • #181
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    high_king wrote: »
    Some kids in Dublin . . that they let run feral until some of them carry out the most botched amateur murder. Hardly intelligent effective policing.

    They weren't from Dublin. They were from Kildare.


  • #182
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Makes sense, cos in my experience groups of local lads down the pub do get upset about the activities of financial regulators. And decide to act out out that upset by kidnapping and viciously torturing a prominent businessman...

    The Klan were doing such things when your great grandma was still in nappies.


  • #183
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    threeball wrote: »
    The businesses made money but they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the money coming from elsewhere. They're not trying to squeeze out the current administration out of a love loyalty to Quinn.

    The IRA operated at a significant loss throughout the 1990s. They didn't have the funds to be putting into businesses. SQ managed to get a foothold in extremely profitable businesses


  • #184
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    The Klan were doing such things when your great grandma was still in nappies.

    I can’t find any reports of the Klan attacking a financial regulator. Ever.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #185
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    The IRA operated at a significant loss throughout the 1990s. They didn't have the funds to be putting into businesses. SQ managed to get a foothold in extremely profitable businesses

    The IRA was but there were plenty of disciples who were very wealthy men from the rackets they were running in the north and border counties. They weren't going to just hand that over to the cause.
    Quinn got there with dirty money imo. It's almost impossible to reach the levels he reached in a lifetime coming from nothing unless you invent something thats wanted universally and probably not seen before. He did none of the above. His entire business centred on the border counties initially then expanded to ireland which is a tiny market.


  • #186
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    The walls closing in now apparently.


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  • #187
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    threeball wrote: »
    The IRA was but there were plenty of disciples who were very wealthy men from the rackets they were running in the north and border counties. They weren't going to just hand that over to the cause.
    Quinn got there with dirty money imo. It's almost impossible to reach the levels he reached in a lifetime coming from nothing unless you invent something thats wanted universally and probably not seen before. He did none of the above. His entire business centred on the border counties initially then expanded to ireland which is a tiny market.

    I would imagine that you are thinking of one person i particular that straddles the border. He had actually lent the IRA two million pounds to keep them operational at one point.

    Would take an awful lot of money to build up a six billion euro business. You are barking up the wrong tree


  • #188
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    threeball wrote: »
    It's almost impossible to reach the levels he reached in a lifetime coming from nothing unless you invent something thats wanted universally and probably not seen before.

    And yet people keep doing it. Funny dat


  • #189
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Where’s Peter Darragh Quinn these days?


  • #190
    alias no.9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Anglo could not let Quinn fail because he controlled 25% of the banks stock and if that all hit the market at once, the share price would plummet. The margins were costing him millions per month. €500m in one month alone. This was all being funded by Anglo. They new they were on the road to disaster and THEY CONVINCED HIM to convert to shares to try and stabalise the share price eventually lending him €3.5b in total. This still wasn't enough to they approached the Maple Ten to sell a futher 10% in shares. All these shares were purchased under pressure from Anglo, who already knew they were on a sinking ship.


    Have a read of this... https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/quinns-shock-anglo-stake-led-to-maple-ten-saga-265754.html

    You don't control shares through CFD's, the counterparty doesn't control them either. There were no shares to be dumped unless as I've speculated that these CFDs were a little bit different and were, by design, going to leave SQ with a controlling interest, regardless of the share price.

    I get that when Anglo found out that their instinct was to fund the deal, however dodgy that may have been, but only the original CDF could have required the counterparties to hold the shares in the first place and for SQ to have to follow through with the purchase.


  • #191
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Where’s Peter Darragh Quinn these days?

    organising Cyril McGuinness's funeral


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  • #192
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,024 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Re: the 2 McGuinness being related.

    I doubt it.

    All the media reports haven't mentioned it, or at least all the ones I've seen.

    If they were cousins the media would be shouting it from the rooftops.


  • #193
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Referring to a murder carried out by two 13 year olds as “amateur” is pathetic. What were you hoping for, DNA awareness and alibis?

    What I was referring to was the pathetic claim that it was some sort of brilliant mastermind crime solve by the Gardai.


  • #194
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    high_king wrote: »
    What I was referring to was the pathetic claim that it was some sort of brilliant mastermind crime solve by the Gardai.

    When you say solve you mean secure a conviction?
    I think the case was a positive example of the Gardai.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #195
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    When you say solve you mean secure a conviction?
    I think the case was a positive example of the Gardai.

    Not for crime in the border area or the other self chosen no go areas for the "Gardai"


  • #196
    poisonated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    I don`t think anyone ordered the attack. It was not a terrorist attack in that it was not politically motivated. It was not business motivated in that Sean Quinn had nothing to do with it and nobody else could reasonably be expected to be assured of Mr Lunneys job had he decided to quit. I think it was just a few local lads unhappy with the way Dublin institutions ignored the incompetence of the financial regulator (which all taxpayers had to fund) and opted to go after the assets of Mr Quinn. Such anger with the Dublin government is entirely understandable in my opinion.

    I don`t know who this person in the UK was but I do not believe he "ordered" an attack. He was probably someone certain individuals in positions of power here in Ireland had a gripe against and decided to use the horrendous attack in Cavan as an excuse to make trouble for that person. This is just what I think is most likely. There is a culture in this country of assuming certain individuals are troublemakers and then the authorities cause trouble for those people. Granted these people are probably not angels but I think such crude methods are wrong and can lead to injustices.

    For example, a former Garda Commissioner announced a few years ago that Gerry Adams was in the IRA and based on that, we were all supposed to believe it. Maybe it was true but I require irrefutable evidence which I deem to be beyond all reasonable doubt. Then wasn`t there some attempt by the Gardaí to pin something on some people up in Donegal a few years back? This is to say nothing of all the other scandals around fake breath tests and so on.

    Call me a skeptic but I just don`t think anyone ordered the attack on Mr Lunney.

    Pretty sure you’re wrong but thank you for your lovely rant


  • #197
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Why did they attack that business man anyway ?
    Was it for money ?


  • #198
    Call me Al
    Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Why did they attack that business man anyway ?
    Was it for money ?

    Well the media reports that those involved were paid to do so.
    So yes it was for money.


  • #199
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    high_king wrote: »
    Not for crime in the border area or the other self chosen no go areas for the "Gardai"
    Reading reports over the weekend this gent got the benefit of suspended sentences for very serious crimes on two occasions despite having several previous convictions. The Guards can only do so much and its up to the Courts to punish appropriately. No doubt several legal eagles have prospered on giving him legal advice courtesy of the taxpayer and of course he benefited by supplying cars to the freedom fighters


  • #200
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    Let's face it the border is a lawless area, and hopefully this might spur the authorities in both states to police it more effectively.
    Personally i would welcome a joint Garda/PSNI cross-border unit to tackle scumbags like this guy.


    "It's akin to trolling considering this is an Irish discussion forum".


  • #201
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Call me Al wrote: »
    Well the media reports that those involved were paid to do so.
    So yes it was for money.

    christ frightening, that even a successful businessman can be targetted like that ...


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