Why do Irish people support English teams?

OldMrBrennan83 · 09-03-2019 2:39pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

All gob****es talking on their phone in a pub regardless of the situation should be hushed.

He was heading for the door, like most normal people would. But we're talking about a twat who wants people to be silent during a kick in a pub because they do it in the ground. In a pub.

Taking a phonecall doesn't even register on that scale.

Bobeagleburger · 09-03-2019 2:40pm

Necro wrote: »

Why are you so worked up about it is the more pertinent question?

It's a familiar stance with a lot of the LOI fans I've found. Thankfully they are not all like that.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 2:41pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

You're an absolutely ridiculous person and that response (along with all the pointless :P) is befitting of a child.

That hurt. I'm telling my ma!

Spleerbun · 09-03-2019 2:41pm

Not bothered reading through all this and I'm sure it's already been said, but unless you have a dad or someone bringing you to LOI games when you're young, you've no real exposure to the league at all. By the time you discover Ireland even has a league you likely already have an English team you support as that's all you knew. And then you can hardly change team after that once you have a "connection" with the English, or at least most can't.

My dad wasn't a huge football fan by any means, but used to speak of an admiration of "the way Liverpool did things" back when we'd watch games/motd together and he'd like to see them do well (this was the 90s so they'd be hit and miss at that stage). So naturally I did too and things went from there.

My younger brother on the other hand had a friend who's dad was a Shamrock Rovers season ticket holder and used to bring them to games every other Friday night, so as a result his team is Rovers and he himself now has a season ticket at Tallaght Stadium.

Thanks to my bro I look out for rovers results and want them to do well, but I can't just change "my" team now even though I agree in an ideal world we'd all support our local teams.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 2:45pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

He was heading for the door...

Any more you'd like to add to your fascinating anecdote or is that the full unabridged and unrevisable version?

OldMrBrennan83 · 09-03-2019 2:46pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Any more you'd like to add to your fascinating anecdote or is that the full unabridged and unrevisable version?

Very little but I can tell you exactly where he shouted it from and if he was sitting there he'd have been sitting on the floor in the middle of the way. It's not that difficult.

Would you like me to draw you a rough map?

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 2:48pm

Spleerbun wrote: »

Thanks to my bro I look out for rovers results and want them to do well, but I can't just change "my" team now even though I agree in an ideal world we'd all support our local teams.

I can see how someone could change their religion, but the football team they supported as a kid? C'est impossible.

Bobeagleburger · 09-03-2019 2:52pm

sugarman wrote: »

I LOVE football in general, I'll watch any aul game. Id be lying if I said I didnt like English football, I watch 3/4 games of it a week. But I dont and never will support anyone side. Im partial to some sides more than others but thats the same for La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Eredivise etc.. I can watch them, without being a "supporter" or "fan" of any club, but rather a fan of the leagues.

That's great, and nobody should knock you for it.

Same should go the other way. It wouldn't bother me who you support, nor should it.

Alf Veedersane · 09-03-2019 2:54pm

Perifect wrote: »

You can support Ireland! You can still watch loads of soccer, why do you have to support a team you have no connection with and you've never actually been there even?

Why should you have to have a connection to follow them?

Enjoy watching them play? Follow away to your hearts content

Necro · 09-03-2019 2:55pm

sugarman wrote:

But the majority are armchair fans that have never been to a game, sit at home in front of their Sky Sports in their Jerseys week in/out cheering them on while bemoaning the LOI and ROI teams about standard and quality etc.. how do either stand a chance when thats the general attitude?

Have you a source for this or is it your own opinion? Practically all of the people I know who like the sport have been to live games of all descriptions.

Local league, LOI, Premier League, International, even some La Liga or other European league matches.

They just like football, and yeah they'd support English clubs primarily but there's nothing wrong with that imo.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 2:55pm

sugarman wrote: »

Its pathetic, we're just a nation of event junkies, glory hunters and band wagoners.

Phew, for a second there I thought you were talking about the likes of me. 29 years and after 2018/2019 probably still counting.

And when did you become a SR fan? They were very successful during my formative years, thinking not bloody Rovers again!

Randle P. McMurphy · 09-03-2019 3:01pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ya but your Dad wasn't from Liverpool was he?

My Dad used to to look out for Palace in the English League owing to connections he had in Croydon.

But we never got fully into supporting them. Wearing jersisies and chanting daft songs.

imo....anyone who involves themselves in this type of behaviour is borderline retarded anyway. So I don't see what difference it makes who they attach their silly dreams to.

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:06pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I've completely forgotten the train of argument on this, but thanks, I'll take it.

I'll remind you, I made a show of you and you have left with your tail between your legs.

Balanadan · 09-03-2019 3:06pm

The League of Ireland and the Bundesliga are the two most enjoyable leagues for me.

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:07pm

Necro wrote: »

Why are you so worked up about it is the more pertinent question?

Not worked up at all, just think it's sad. And it is.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 3:09pm

Perifect wrote: »

I'll remind you, I made a show of you and you have left with your tail between your legs.

Good to know these things, the masterclass of 'showing' has gone over my head. But, well done you, keep it up.

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:10pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Why should you have to have a connection to follow them?

Enjoy watching them play? Follow away to your hearts content

Why just pick one team out of a foreign country? There are hundreds of countries and thousands of teams, why pick one out if you just like watching soccer?

Omackeral · 09-03-2019 3:12pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Is it because Irish teams are ****e and English teams are far superior?

I take it you follow France over Ireland so?

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:12pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Good to know these things, the masterclass of 'showing' has gone over my head. But, well done you, keep it up.

Not the first time something has gone over your head and it certainly won't be the last.

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:13pm

Berties_Horse wrote: »

It's got to be perifect.

You just love my name capall.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 3:15pm

Perifect wrote: »

Not the first time something has gone over your head and it certainly won't be the last.

I like loads of things going over my head, bridges and aeroplanes being two.

citytillidie · 09-03-2019 3:16pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I getting all this Liverpool sh1t at the moment . Boys in my local crying about them. Why don't they support Everton? The Catholic club in the city.

There is no Catholic club in Liverpool, both started by the same Methodist people.

Everton also have an Anglican Church in their ground so no idea where this catholic thing has come from

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:17pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I like loads of things going over my head, bridges and aeroplanes being two.

The point and your dignity being others.

Perifect · 09-03-2019 3:18pm

citytillidie wrote: »

There is no Catholic club in Liverpool, both started by the same Methodist people.

Everton also have an Anglican Church in their ground so no idea where this catholic thing has come from

City till I die. Derry city? Cork city? Galway city?

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 3:21pm

Perifect wrote: »

The point and your dignity being others.

Not sure you get the whole metaphor thing, but you know what you're taking about and shur that's the main thing.

relax carry on · 09-03-2019 3:24pm

Jesus, I'll never get the obsession with this narrow view of the world we live in. You were born/live in Ireland therefore you must support all things Irish over all else. Support Irish soccer teams over English etc.

Who cares. If you are genuinely into the sport, then support which ever team you want. Support a team from Kazakhstan if you want. Ireland is not the world, enjoy all aspects of it that make you happy.

SharpshooterTom · 09-03-2019 3:24pm

Hoards of plastics in England too, not just Ireland.

I was born in South Oxfordshire (left after my 1st birthday) moved London (left at 6) moved to Ipswich (left at 14), Moved to Omagh.

I'm a Man Utd fan. I have no connection to Manchester or to the north of England.

Not sure why Irish people are giving themselves a hard time over non local support? Loads of English people don't even support their local team.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 3:24pm

Perifect wrote: »

City till I die. Derry city? Cork city? Galway city?

Well, seeing as he's clearly a Liverpool fan I'm guessing that's more a reference to urban rather than rural dwelling.

Alf Veedersane · 09-03-2019 3:25pm

Perifect wrote: »

Why just pick one team out of a foreign country? There are hundreds of countries and thousands of teams, why pick one out if you just like watching soccer?

Because if someone has spent years watching a team, then they are more likely to continue following that team but also watching other teams.

citytillidie · 09-03-2019 3:27pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I don't need a link I live there-btw,I think it's a good thing that there is a healthy interest in the EPL-I'm on twitter and follow Everton supporters clubs in Ireland,NI and the US.
I think the Catholic/Protestant thing in Liverpool has gradually died out since the 70's,but traditionally it existed-Everton were originally called St Domingo FC.

St. Domingo was a Methodist Chapel so again nothing to do with being Catholic

RobMc59 · 09-03-2019 3:32pm

I'm English and don't have any problem with foreign fans following English teams.,although Irish fans aren't regarded as foreign.

citytillidie · 09-03-2019 3:33pm

Perifect wrote: »

City till I die. Derry city? Cork city? Galway city?

Derry City, go to Derry games and follow Liverpool not hard when Derry games are on a Friday night, some times I manages to go to 2 games in the one weekend

RobMc59 · 09-03-2019 3:34pm

citytillidie wrote: »

St. Domingo was a Methodist Chapel so again nothing to do with being Catholic

I didn't say St Domingo was Catholic I said that was what everton was originally called.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 3:38pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I didn't say St Domingo was Catholic I said that was what everton was originally called.

The thrust of your argument suggested you were implying it, no?

The st. in the title would be confusing.

RobMc59 · 09-03-2019 3:46pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

The thrust of your argument suggested you were implying it, no?

The st. in the title would be confusing.

I haven't got any argument-it's common knowledge here in the Liverpool area that up until the late 60s/early 70's everton were regarded as Catholic and Liverpool protestant-thankfully that has disappeared and people couldn't care less.

VeryTerry · 09-03-2019 3:52pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ya but your Dad wasn't from Liverpool was he?

My Dad used to to look out for Palace in the English League owing to connections he had in Croydon.

But we never got fully into supporting them. Wearing jersisies and chanting daft songs.

You're not from Inchicore either.

VeryTerry · 09-03-2019 3:54pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I haven't got any argument-it's common knowledge here in the Liverpool area that up until the late 60s/early 70's everton were regarded as Catholic and Liverpool protestant-thankfully that has disappeared and people couldn't care less.

This was largely due to Liverpools ties with the Orange Order.

09-03-2019 3:58pm

There are a few on Boards eternally offended by Irish people supporting English teams. It's quite amusing each time their shoulder chip pops up.

limnam · 09-03-2019 3:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There are a few on Boards eternally offended by Irish people supporting English teams. It's quite amusing each time their shoulder chip pops up.

Little do they know it's the chip that stops some people from getting involved in LOI

8-10 · 09-03-2019 4:04pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

I haven't got any argument-it's common knowledge here in the Liverpool area that up until the late 60s/early 70's everton were regarded as Catholic and Liverpool protestant-thankfully that has disappeared and people couldn't care less.

No sorry let's go over it again:

RobMc59 wrote: »

You are wrong-Everton is recognised as the Catholic club

You did not claim that Everton were historically known as being Catholic. You stated that it IS recognised as THE Catholic club. You called me out as being wrong for saying it isn't. You can't just change now after being asked to prove it to try and claim you originally were talking about the 60's/70's and it has now 'disappeared'

You deliberately used the present tense to describe it as Catholic and it's only after being called out that you're changing your story

RobMc59 · 09-03-2019 4:14pm

8-10 wrote: »

No sorry let's go over it again:

You did not claim that Everton were historically known as being Catholic. You stated that it IS recognised as THE Catholic club. You called me out as being wrong for saying it isn't. You can't just change now after being asked to prove it to try and claim you originally were talking about the 60's/70's and it has now 'disappeared'

You deliberately used the present tense to describe it as Catholic and it's only after being called out that you're changing your story

Listen,I provided a link,traditionally that's the way it is-its unfortunate if you dont like that-there are some people who still bang on about it but thankfully it is largely forgotten-i don't know why you're getting so wound up about it.
Bloody hell!-I've got a donegal gaa hat and replica top so why would I critise anyone for liking a foreign team!

VeryTerry · 09-03-2019 4:24pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

Listen,I provided a link,traditionally that's the way it is-its unfortunate if you dont like that-there are some people who still bang on about it but thankfully it is largely forgotten-i don't know why you're getting so wound up about it.
Bloody hell!-I've got a donegal gaa hat and replica top so why would I critise anyone for liking a foreign team!

Irish Liverpool fans are notoriously tetchy about this topic.

ffarrell7 · 09-03-2019 4:35pm

VeryTerry wrote: »

Irish Liverpool fans are notoriously tetchy about this topic.

I cannot understand it either. Defies belief. I love Barca, Real and PSG (who have been robbed blind on two occasions by refs giving fictitious penalties like the one against Man U.

The amount of true anti-Irish sentiment towards the Irish is incredible. The Brits (English, Welsh, Scots....) Can disguise it well but anti-Irish they are.

Why don't Irish people support Spanish, Italian, French clubs more ? Spanish teams are much more successful than British ones. Problem is that 99% of Irish players evolve in the Premiership because they don't speak foreign languages and feel at home in Britland.

I would never, ever support a British team against a French, German, Italian or any other country.

Omackeral · 09-03-2019 4:54pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I can see how someone could change their religion, but the football team they supported as a kid? C'est impossible.

If you go to a game and like it and then keep going back and it becomes a habit and then just something you do. Can be done as well as having a team you watch on telly or go to see once or twice or however many times a year/decade. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Live football can't be beaten. You see things you don't see on tv. Being part of chants and displays and tifos. Bantering off actual opposing fans. It's all great. Can be done in addition to having an existing team in the United Kingdom.

wobatkicker23 · 09-03-2019 4:54pm

Why are you framing this question as if it’s the most nonsensical thing in the world when the majority of Irish soccer fans couldn’t give two ****s about the LOI.

Would you watch the ladies team of your equivalent LOI club over a big premier league match? And if not, why?

On another point, the reason the GAA differ with the Irish soccer scene is the fact that all the Irish LOI teams are franchises. My county team represents everyone in the county. Who represents Kerry in LOI? Or do you expect a Kerry person to support Cork City?

dan1895 · 09-03-2019 5:06pm

limnam wrote: »

Little do they know it's the chip that stops some people from getting involved in LOI

Funny that not one of the dozens of people I've brought to Tolka over the years received anything but a warm welcome from the regulars no matter who they supported.

Avatar MIA · 09-03-2019 5:08pm

Omackeral wrote: »

If you go to a game and like it and then keep going back and it becomes a habit and then just something you do. Can be done as well as having a team you watch on telly or go to see once or twice or however many times a year/decade. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Live football can't be beaten. You see things you don't see on tv. Being part of chants and displays and tifos. Bantering off actual opposing fans. It's all great. Can be done in addition to having an existing team in the United Kingdom.

Oh, I agree, for me it's be Cork, but I've never actually been to a Cork game. Part of the reason is that where I'm living is not Cork

and my friends wouldn't go to a local game. I've been meaning to go to a Limerick v Cork game.

wobatkicker23 · 09-03-2019 5:11pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Funny that not one of the dozens of people I've brought to Tolka over the years received anything but a warm welcome from the regulars no matter who they supported.

That’s presumably because they were with you, a regular.

The one LOI game I went to the supporters were huddled under a shed passing a bottle of vodka around. Locker room talk galore, most of the time was spent on social media trying to show how hardcore they were.

Some of the chanting was obnoxious ‘**** English Football’ ‘Bomb the Premier League’ etc.

Balanadan · 09-03-2019 5:14pm

wobatkicker23 wrote: »

That’s presumably because they were with you, a regular.

The one LOI game I went to the supporters were huddled under a shed passing a bottle of vodka around. Locker room talk galore, most of the time was spent on social media trying to show how hardcore they were.

Some of the chanting was obnoxious ‘**** English Football’ ‘Bomb the Premier League’ etc.

:pac:

Balanadan · 09-03-2019 5:14pm

wobatkicker23 wrote: »

That’s presumably because they were with you, a regular.

The one LOI game I went to the supporters were huddled under a shed passing a bottle of vodka around. Locker room talk galore, most of the time was spent on social media trying to show how hardcore they were.

Some of the chanting was obnoxious ‘**** English Football’ ‘Bomb the Premier League’ etc.

Why do Irish people support English teams?

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