Nest Hello Doorbell Install

micks_address · 29-04-2018 6:10pm

garion wrote: »

@Mick, where did you pick up that Elmark transformer? Need to pick one up and if yours works I'll get the same!

Delighted to hear it's all working as it should! Thanks for all the updates!

Hi I actually ordered and used this in the end.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PSS10-Transformer-safety-230VAC-Mounting/dp/B01MDJWFB7/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522838061&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=24v+bell+transformer+10VA

It was a bit more expensive but works perfect.
Thanks,
Mick

notahappycamper · 30-04-2018 9:08pm

micks_address wrote: »

Quick question, for video doorbells like nest which are recoding continuously do you legally need a sign saying CCTV in operation?
Thanks,
Mick

I don’t think so as it is on private property but I stand to be corrected.

OU812 · 30-04-2018 9:35pm

micks_address wrote: »

Quick question, for video doorbells like nest which are recoding continuously do you legally need a sign saying CCTV in operation?
Thanks,
Mick

notahappycamper wrote: »

I don’t think so as it is on private property but I stand to be corrected.

Domestic use of CCTV systems.

The processing of personal data kept by an individual and concerned solely with the management of his/her personal, family or household affairs or kept by an individual for recreational purposes is exempt from the provisions of the Acts. This exemption would generally apply to the use of CCTVs in a domestic environment. However, the exemption may not apply if the occupant works from home. [ Where the exemption does apply, a person who objects to the use of a CCTV system - for example, a neighbour who objects to images of her/his property being recorded - may be able to take a civil legal action based on the Constitutional and Common Law right to privacy.] It should be noted that recording of a public space, even partially, or when recording is directed outwards from the private setting, it may not be regarded as a ‘personal or household’ activity for the purposes of the Data Protection Acts, and this may have immediate and particular interest to drone operators and data controllers.

Reference: ECJ Ruling on household exemption C-212/13 - Ryneš

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Data-Protection-CCTV/m/242.htm

micks_address · 30-04-2018 9:36pm

OU812 wrote: »

Domestic use of CCTV systems.
The processing of personal data kept by an individual and concerned solely with the management of his/her personal, family or household affairs or kept by an individual for recreational purposes is exempt from the provisions of the Acts. This exemption would generally apply to the use of CCTVs in a domestic environment. However, the exemption may not apply if the occupant works from home. [ Where the exemption does apply, a person who objects to the use of a CCTV system - for example, a neighbour who objects to images of her/his property being recorded - may be able to take a civil legal action based on the Constitutional and Common Law right to privacy.] It should be noted that recording of a public space, even partially, or when recording is directed outwards from the private setting, it may not be regarded as a ‘personal or household’ activity for the purposes of the Data Protection Acts, and this may have immediate and particular interest to drone operators and data controllers.

Reference: ECJ Ruling on household exemption C-212/13 - Ryneš

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Data-Protection-CCTV/m/242.htm

How should that be interpreted?
Thanks,
Mick

OU812 · 30-04-2018 9:44pm

The way I read it is that unless you use your home as a workspace, you are exempt from the data protection regulations. However, if you are recording public property (outside of your boundaries) it may be interpreted in a legal case that DPR does apply. Also, your neighbours may have a legitimate concern & reason to complain legally. #notalawyer.

To be honest, I think the law is out of date where these devices are concerned. Particularly ones that record all the time rather than motion or trigger activated ones

dingding · 06-05-2018 10:22pm

Anyone managed to purchase the nest aware service for this camera. I have a few cameras on an Irish account but it comes up with errors when I try to get a subscription for my nest doorbell.

EDIT - SOLUTION

I tried again and added my revolut card. It took it then.

micks_address · 06-05-2018 10:25pm

dingding wrote: »

Anyone managed to purchase the nest aware service for this camera. I have a few cameras on an Irish account but it comes up with errors when I try to get a subscription for my nest doorbell.

On 30 day trial.. I had assumed would pop onto subscription when it ends

dingding · 06-05-2018 11:31pm

micks_address wrote: »

On 30 day trial.. I had assumed would pop onto subscription when it ends

Not automatically, you have to sign up for it. It does not come into play until the trial ends.

dingding · 06-05-2018 11:40pm

This is the transformer I used.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00K1CWEUG Replacing an 8V transformer. I installed the Nest connectors on the bell as per the instructions but had to mount them outside the bell.

I also set the bell up as an electronic bell with a 2 sec delay.

It works well with my old door bell, which was like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0001NPZ0G

When I chedk on the phone app it gives the voltage as 23.1 Volts under the technical info at the bottom of the settings. The battery voltage is 4.08 Volts.

RunDMC · 10-05-2018 6:52pm

I managed to get mine working with the original transformer and all the original wiring. The settings area in the app says 8 volts, but it appears to be working just fine.

I got stung for the VAT which was inevitable, but An Post also charged a €10 processing fee, which is ridiculous.

R

micks_address · 10-05-2018 7:23pm

RunDMC wrote: »

I managed to get mine working with the original transformer and all the original wiring. The settings area in the app says 8 volts, but it appears to be working just fine.

I got stung for the VAT which was inevitable, but An Post also charged a €10 processing fee, which is ridiculous.

R

Thanks I thought I noticed with my old transformer the bell lit up blue which meant it was getting enough power. I went ahead with a new transformer anyway. Do you mind me asking how much customs was? I was lucky enough to miss it.
Cheers,
Mick

dingding · 10-05-2018 10:47pm

RunDMC wrote: »

I managed to get mine working with the original transformer and all the original wiring. The settings area in the app says 8 volts, but it appears to be working just fine.

I got stung for the VAT which was inevitable, but An Post also charged a €10 processing fee, which is ridiculous.

R

Mine seemed to work with the 8V however sometimes it dropped off the network. It is more solid with the 24V transformer.

It also dropped off the network sometimes after the bell was pressed.

RunDMC · 11-05-2018 1:40pm

I have noticed that it drops off the network from time to time and the video can be glitchy when the doorbell rings, but I assumed that it could also be my phone. I have the transformer so I will fit it at the weekend. I was just a little worried about burning out the wires with the higher voltage.

R

dingding · 11-05-2018 8:51pm

You wont burn out the wires, the opposite in fact, the higher the voltage, the lower the current and it is current that causes heat as it passes through the cable.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 13-05-2018 4:53pm

I'm getting the house rewired as part of a larger job and want to get one of these as part of it.

So all I need to order is the Nest Hello itself and one of these and give it to the electrician and thats it, it'll work here fine?

I know as soon as I order, they'll release our regions one...

dingding · 13-05-2018 5:13pm

Aleena Loose Banker wrote: »

I'm getting the house rewired as part of a larger job and want to get one of these as part of it.

So all I need to order is the Nest Hello itself and one of these and give it to the electrician and thats it, it'll work here fine?

I know as soon as I order, they'll release our regions one...

you also need the part of the doorbell that makes a noise.

i.e the bell or chime part.

micks_address · 13-05-2018 5:46pm

dingding wrote: »

you also need the part of the doorbell that makes a noise.

i.e the bell or chime part.

You'll need a 24 volt transformer and wired doorbell and door chime..

micks_address · 13-05-2018 5:58pm

dingding wrote: »

Not automatically, you have to sign up for it. It does not come into play until the trial ends.

Have you been able to add a nest aware subscription to it?

dingding · 13-05-2018 6:44pm

Yes, I had to change to my revolut card and it let me add it.

When I go into the camera it now tells me that the subscription commences when the trail ends.

Like others have said, there is a delay between a ring on the bell and the phone notification / google home notification.

micks_address · 13-05-2018 6:56pm

dingding wrote: »

Yes, I had to change to my revolut card and it let me add it.

When I go into the camera it now tells me that the subscription commences when the trail ends.

Like others have said, there is a delay between a ring on the bell and the phone notification / google home notification.

Not much of a delay for me. So your revolut card has a US address?

dingding · 13-05-2018 9:08pm

micks_address wrote: »

Not much of a delay for me. So your revolut card has a US address?

No an Irish address. Not sure how it worked ????

Perhaps just a coincidence.

It took the payment in Euro so this was not the difference.

micks_address · 13-05-2018 9:12pm

dingding wrote: »

No an Irish address. Not sure how it worked ????

Perhaps just a coincidence.

It took the payment in Euro so this was not the difference.

I'll wait till my trial ends and see what happens

nxbyveromdwjpg · 13-05-2018 11:00pm

Lads is it possible to turn the old school chime off, and just have it notify via the phone app, and/or Google Home? Or better yet the Sonos?

I'd like to have the option to silence the doorbell, and it just be a vibrate on my phone when someone rings it.

dingding · 13-05-2018 11:13pm

Aleena Loose Banker wrote: »

Lads is it possible to turn the old school chime off, and just have it notify via the phone app, and/or Google Home? Or better yet the Sonos?

I'd like to have the option to silence the doorbell, and it just be a vibrate on my phone when someone rings it.

You can turn the bell off in the webpage and the app.

You can also snooze alerts for up to 3 hours.

Moreilly · 27-05-2018 8:28pm

Lad's , how is everybody getting on with their Nest Hello's at this stage now that ye have them a while ? , is it working as designed? any issues? , looking at getting one imported if all is well. is the announcing over google home working correctly? ( i have 3 google homes at the moment and id rather it announced over them than the chime!) .....

micks_address · 27-05-2018 8:51pm

Moreilly wrote: »

Lad's , how is everybody getting on with their Nest Hello's at this stage now that ye have them a while ? , is it working as designed? any issues? , looking at getting one imported if all is well. is the announcing over google home working correctly? ( i have 3 google homes at the moment and id rather it announced over them than the chime!) .....

Best thing ever. It's brilliant security device. The fact it records all the time is great. Night mode is very good. Got a sneaky takeway the other night and muted alarm so kids wouldn't know. Nice feature. Face recognition is great to. I wouldn't bother with any other outdoor cam at our house as can see everything happening. Very happy so far. I don't use the talk feature much but it does work. Have annoyed the kids with it a few times.
Thanks,
Mick

Moreilly · 27-05-2018 9:45pm

micks_address wrote: »

Best thing ever. It's brilliant security device. The fact it records all the time is great. Night mode is very good. Got a sneaky takeway the other night and muted alarm so kids wouldn't know. Nice feature. Face recognition is great to. I wouldn't bother with any other outdoor cam at our house as can see everything happening. Very happy so far. I don't use the talk feature much but it does work. Have annoyed the kids with it a few times.
Thanks,
Mick

Sounds good !, Do you have a Google home? any lag? - regards nest aware subscription - did you have any issues .. sorry for all the questions !!

micks_address · 27-05-2018 10:18pm

Moreilly wrote: »

Sounds good !, Do you have a Google home? any lag? - regards nest aware subscription - did you have any issues .. sorry for all the questions !!

Yes two mini homes. The chime rings immediately and I'd say a couple of seconds before Google home announces. I had to wait for trial to end yesterday and then added then nest aware subscription. Had to switch payment method between my saved cards for it to work. 30 euro for 5 day history as already have sub for indoor cam. Have to say the nest hello is used more. We don't have the indoor cam on when we home.

micks_address · 27-05-2018 10:28pm

micks_address wrote: »

Yes two mini homes. The chime rings immediately and I'd say a couple of seconds before Google home announces. I had to wait for trial to end yesterday and then added then nest aware subscription. Had to switch payment method between my saved cards for it to work. 30 euro for 5 day history as already have sub for indoor cam. Have to say the nest hello is used more. We don't have the indoor cam on when we home.

One thing to watch for is your broadband limit. I've unlimited virgin but it uploads a lot over a month.. Also a good router helps as a lot of traffic added to network

Moreilly · 27-05-2018 10:52pm

micks_address wrote: »

One thing to watch for is your broadband limit. I've unlimited virgin but it uploads a lot over a month.. Also a good router helps as a lot of traffic added to network

Sounds good, i have a 20GB allowance a day on the broadband but it just throttles back if the limit is hit until 12 at night then goes back to normal so shouldn't be a issue (hopefully!)
Look like i'll order on soon , sounds good.... thanks for the info

is there any aspect of it that does not work as expected due to it being an American version / not currently released here? - Last question @ I promise !!

micks_address · 27-05-2018 11:21pm

Moreilly wrote: »

Sounds good, i have a 20GB allowance a day on the broadband but it just throttles back if the limit is hit until 12 at night then goes back to normal so shouldn't be a issue (hopefully!)
Look like i'll order on soon , sounds good.... thanks for the info
is there any aspect of it that does not work as expected due to it being an American version / not currently released here? - Last question @ I promise !!

I haven't had any issues.. All my devices are set to US English though.. You do need a wired chime and 24 volt transformer.. But you probably knew that already

dingding · 27-05-2018 11:34pm

No issues, I changed the transformer to a 24V one.

The nest aware subscription worked but I had to change my payment card.

A great device.

Moreilly · 27-05-2018 11:53pm

deadly stuff, thanks a million for the info guy's

OU812 · 29-05-2018 2:35pm

Was onto nest earlier trying to sort something out (for two hours!!!) and during the call asked about the thermostat firmware update to use the sensors, the security system and the doorbell.

There’s no firmware set for release in Europe at all with no visibility on anything upcoming so the sensors will not work at all.

The security system is not slated for a European release due to various regulations here it doesn’t comply with.

The doorbell is due for release within eight weeks. They’re already in their distribution centre.

micks_address · 29-05-2018 2:44pm

OU812 wrote: »

Was onto nest earlier trying to sort something out (for two hours!!!) and during the call asked about the thermostat firmware update to use the sensors, the security system and the doorbell.

There’s no firmware set for release in Europe at all with no visibility on anything upcoming so the sensors will not work at all.

The security system is not slated for a European release due to various regulations here it doesn’t comply with.

The doorbell is due for release within eight weeks. They’re already in their distribution centre.

Thanks for that, the sensors are slated for a UK release at some point? I'm sure I saw some articles on uk tech sites about them. I have three under my bed still in the box. Ive seen reference to updating the firmware manually from a PC. I wonder would they give an updated version directly? The UK site, which is probably just a copy of the US site says there's a version of firmware released in April. I'd be happy enough for them to update before the winter. If I was to choose between the nest indoor iq cam and nest hello I'd pick the hello every time. Probably depends on your house size but covers compete field of view from front of our house.
Thanks,
Mick

OU812 · 29-05-2018 4:19pm

micks_address wrote: »

Thanks for that, the sensors are slated for a UK release at some point? I'm sure I saw some articles on uk tech sites about them. I have three under my bed still in the box. Ive seen reference to updating the firmware manually from a PC. I wonder would they give an updated version directly? The UK site, which is probably just a copy of the US site says there's a version of firmware released in April. I'd be happy enough for them to update before the winter. If I was to choose between the nest indoor iq cam and nest hello I'd pick the hello every time. Probably depends on your house size but covers compete field of view from front of our house.
Thanks,
Mick

I want to get the sensors myself as our thermo was placed in one of the warmest spots in the house for some reason (wasn’t there that day). I’ll be eagerly awaiting the firmware & release.

I’m after the hello. Currently have the ring but want to get the whole nest setup especially as the subscription will be more or less the same price. Just hope I don’t have to get any re-wiring done.

micks_address · 29-05-2018 8:41pm

OU812 wrote: »

I want to get the sensors myself as our thermo was placed in one of the warmest spots in the house for some reason (wasn’t there that day). I’ll be eagerly awaiting the firmware & release.

I’m after the hello. Currently have the ring but want to get the whole nest setup especially as the subscription will be more or less the same price. Just hope I don’t have to get any re-wiring done.

Your pms are full

yes mine is on front wall of house. I was worried if on doorframe wall would obscure camera. Electrician drilled hole at angle and ran new wires, joined and filled hole.. Think pics earlier in thread

30-05-2018 9:28am

With all this talk of new data protection regulations in the form of GDPR. Are there any implications for video doorbells which in many cases would cover public spaces?

dingding · 30-05-2018 5:11pm

https://netwatchsystem.com/blog/cctv-gdpr-data-protection/

micks_address · 30-05-2018 9:06pm

dingding wrote: »

https://netwatchsystem.com/blog/cctv-gdpr-data-protection/

Applies to companies? What about domestic homes?

OU812 · 31-05-2018 7:06am

Got an email in overnight. Nest hello now available €279 inc delivery direct from nest.

Caillte · 31-05-2018 8:05am

OU812 wrote: »

Got an email in overnight. Nest hello now available €279 inc delivery direct from nest.

Yeah got that too. Will be picking this up soon.

micks_address · 31-05-2018 8:23am

OU812 wrote: »

Got an email in overnight. Nest hello now available €279 inc delivery direct from nest.

That's about what I paid from the US but I was lucky to somehow avoid customs. Much better buying from Ireland site.
Cheers,
Mick

Nedved85 · 31-05-2018 12:03pm

Just ordered on from the uk website via Parcel Motel.
Think I'll prefer the integration with Google Home and Chromecast/Android TVs over the Ring doorbell Pro.

Mantis Toboggan · 31-05-2018 12:15pm

Are these difficult to install?

micks_address · 31-05-2018 12:58pm

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Are these difficult to install?

As per earlier posts. If you have an existing wired doorbell and chime then you are half way there. You will likely need to upgrade your transformer to 24 volts. Most are 8 or 12. All details in the thread. I got an electrician to wire mine.
Thanks,
Mick

RunDMC · 31-05-2018 1:55pm

It was very simple to install for me, I had space in the chime-box for the chime connecter, and (barely) enough wire at the button to connect it. The only mod I had to make was to file a slot in the back of the angle plate to accomodate the fact that my wares come in from the side, not from the back. It still looks good though and capture my whole driveway.

R

kamin99 · 31-05-2018 5:55pm

as Nest doorbell is now available to buy from nest.com/ie I am planning to buy one , but would like it professionally installed as i don't know where the transformer is!. any one know a good Nest pro installer for Doorbell in north side Dublin

micks_address · 31-05-2018 6:39pm

kamin99 wrote: »

as Nest doorbell is now available to buy from nest.com/ie I am planning to buy one , but would like it professionally installed as i don't know where the transformer is!. any one know a good Nest pro installer for Doorbell in north side Dublin

There are no nest Pro installers I could find who knew anything about the doorbell in Dublin. An electrician should be able to fit easily though.

dingding · 31-05-2018 7:42pm

RunDMC wrote: »

It was very simple to install for me, I had space in the chime-box for the chime connecter, and (barely) enough wire at the button to connect it. The only mod I had to make was to file a slot in the back of the angle plate to accomodate the fact that my wares come in from the side, not from the back. It still looks good though and capture my whole driveway.

R

You can adjust the picture on the app and change the default zoom level. I would look at zooming in a bit and removing the wall on the RHS. My set up is very similar.

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