2020 GUI Cups & Shields

Golfgorfield · 10-06-2020 1:27pm

GreeBo wrote: »

I think the push back of competitive golf will kill off any inter or intra club matches for 2020.

Same result for our club, the ladies dont seem interested, the mens club are happy to go ahead.

Senior cup
Junior Cup
Fierce Purcell
Bruen

all going ahead.
Details will be confirmed soon.

Kingswood Rover · 10-06-2020 7:05pm

plumber77 wrote: »

I'm sure he meant thankfully their vote won't count for the interclubs as he wants it to go ahead. I wouldn't be joining the dots that quickly

Ehh you must not know hims so

NedBagg · 10-06-2020 8:00pm

Thanks for info...Great that they are going ahead.... love playing the interclub... do u know format.. will JB and PP be 4 balls.. also I heard that they might play Barton cup.. did u hear anything on that.. I dont understand why they dont leave it 4somes .. each player uses their own golf ball if they need to pick it up or drop it etc.. cant see how the 4ball will work

moycullen14 · 11-06-2020 1:06pm

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Senior cup
Junior Cup
Fierce Purcell
Bruen

all going ahead.
Details will be confirmed soon.

Should be renamed to this!

:):)

Golfgorfield · 11-06-2020 2:07pm

moycullen14 wrote: »

Should be renamed to this!

:):)

I never call it anything else tbh :P

Wichita Lineman · 11-06-2020 2:51pm

Draws will be published on 29th June with matches likely to start end of July. Clubs voted overwhelmingly in favour of proceeding.

GreeBo · 11-06-2020 4:02pm

moycullen14 wrote: »

Anyone else less than enthusiastic about the cups and shields?

Personally, I've no interest in them but I've no problem with them as long as they don't interfere too much with my golf - or cost me money.

If you club is hosting the local/regional rounds then won't their be an influx of players for practice, etc and the inevitable closure for the competition itself?

In these times, isn't it a bit much restricting people's playing opportunities? Never mind the expense involved.

Always felt their was a sense of entitlement with team players - it's really for the benefit of the players involved, not the club. It's not like the main purpose of a golf club is team events.

I'll put on my tin hat now :-)

I think it depends on how you view your golf club.
Is it a *golf" club or a golf *club*.

Mine has wavered between the two, depending on Captains and Committee members. The last few years we are (thankfully) predominately a *golf* club. Playing for your club is an honour and a significant time commitment.

slingerz · 11-06-2020 8:20pm

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Draws will be published on 29th June with matches likely to start end of July. Clubs voted overwhelmingly in favour of proceeding.

New draws happening?

Golfhead65 · 11-06-2020 8:40pm

slingerz wrote: »

New draws happening?

Yeah, home/away basis knockout with no strokes qualifying this year

ChippingSodbury · 15-06-2020 9:43am

From GUI:
Following a three-week feedback period, the results are as follows:

All-Ireland competitions:
• AIG Senior Cup – 160 clubs (81% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• AIG Junior Cup – 218 clubs (74% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• AIG Jimmy Bruen Shield – 227 clubs (73% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• AIG Pierce Purcell Shield – 235 clubs (71% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• All-Ireland Gold Medals – 113 clubs (63% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• Boys Under-18 Inter-Club – 90 clubs (76% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding

Provincial competitions:
• Jack O’Sullivan (Connacht) – 26 clubs (76% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• Barton Cup (Leinster) – 72 clubs (55% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• Leinster Under-15 Inter-Club – 35 clubs (58% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding
• Ulster Cup – 67 clubs (68% of original entry number) in favour of proceeding

What happens next?
In accordance with the Plan, the Union and Provincial Branches will now progress planning for the above-mentioned competitions. These next steps are, of course, conditional on the continual unwinding of restrictions as per the roadmaps produced by the authorities in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. It must be noted, therefore, that the planning of these events is still provisional and contingent on continued progress in defeating the virus.
This being said, the following should be noted:
• It is the intention that draws and related information for these competitions will be published on Monday 29th June, with a potential commencement of matches at the end of July subject to public health restrictions.
• As will be noted from the plan, it remains to be determined whether the All-Ireland competitions will run to completion, or whether they will conclude at provincial level only in 2020. A decision on this, based on the latest ongoing viability assessments and public health advice, will also be made on Monday 29th June and communicated with the draws.

mike12 · 29-06-2020 3:49pm

Any time for the draws

opinionated3 · 29-06-2020 3:50pm

mike12 wrote: »

Any time for the draws

Think they are done already. The Munster one is anyway.....

mike12 · 29-06-2020 4:19pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Think they are done already. The Munster one is anyway.....

They were to be done today I thought but nothing on the GUI website.

mike12 · 29-06-2020 4:20pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Think they are done already. The Munster one is anyway.....

They were to be done today I thought but nothing on the GUI website.

mike12 · 29-06-2020 4:50pm

See they are up for everywhere bar Leinster.

It looks like the matches are off scratch with no Handicap allowance which is crazy.
If u are playing 4ball there has to be a handicap allowance.

mike12 · 29-06-2020 4:52pm

See they are up for everywhere bar Leinster.

It looks like the matches are off scratch with no Handicap allowance which is crazy.
If u are playing 4ball there has to be a handicap allowance.

SEORG · 29-06-2020 4:56pm

Leinster ones are here
https://www.golfnet.ie/about-us/documents/508/revised-leinster-inter-club-match-play-draws-2020

tritriagain · 29-06-2020 5:10pm

If you get a good run in any of these it'll be a very busy period. Not much time between matches

Rikand · 29-06-2020 6:11pm

https://www.golfnet.ie/about-us/documents/507/2020-revised-inter-club-draws-re-covid

Connacht one here.

Poker Face · 29-06-2020 6:17pm

Never been involved in a home/away match before. If you are drawn away and have only 2 home games, whats the best strategy. Do you go with your best 2 pairings at home, bank on they winning and hope one of the other 3 can pick up a win away?

thegolfer · 29-06-2020 8:02pm

Did any clubs here not enter the Cups and Shields, what was the outcome? Our club didn't, general consensus is not good.

tritriagain · 29-06-2020 8:04pm

Barton cup gone to exactly 14 combined. That's my pairing fecked. Pierce Purcell for me.....if I'm picked.

willabur · 29-06-2020 8:09pm

tritriagain wrote: »

Barton cup gone to exactly 14 combined. That's my pairing fecked. Pierce Purcell for me.....if I'm picked.

As a 13 handicapper I guess that's bad news for me

tritriagain · 29-06-2020 8:12pm

willabur wrote: »

As a 13 handicapper I guess that's bad news for me

Unless you have 1hcers I'm afraid so. We have had a couple of practice sessions with maybe 15pairings out. I'd say there's only about 5of these now legit.

mike12 · 29-06-2020 8:28pm

Does the Barton rule basically rule out anyone who moved handicap in 2019.

tritriagain · 29-06-2020 8:32pm

No. Lowest handicap of the year for both players combined to total 14

Alanm · 30-06-2020 12:07am

tritriagain wrote: »

No. Lowest handicap of the year for both players combined to total 14

Because it's 4 ball does that mean clubs could enter a team with a +3 and 17 h'capper? With the low guy cleaning up?

tritriagain · 30-06-2020 7:13am

Alanm wrote: »

Because it's 4 ball does that mean clubs could enter a team with a +3 and 17 h'capper? With the low guy cleaning up?

Afak They can enter but the low fella will have to give 90% of the difference in hc. So above he'd be given the 17 hcper 18 shots.

NedBagg · 30-06-2020 9:08am

The exact 14 HC will make it hard for some clubs to get 5 pairings of exactly 14 I think...I thought everyone in Barton Cup was going to play off scratch. But the the like's of +3 handicappers going to scratch would have made a joke of it.... would have been much easier to play the Metro and Towns cup probably.. 4ball changes the whole dynamic of the competition's.. I would imagine the Jimmy Bruen will be your 5 best handicappers as close to 5 and PP will be your best 11 or nearest handicappers with partners.. It will be close enough to a singles matchplay with the higher handicapper coming in every now and again. .. Think we could have played 4somes but hey ho...just glad there is any Interclub

mike12 · 30-06-2020 11:55am

Barton was the odd one as there is no lower limit. It need to be played off handicaps.
I think most clubs will be able to get 5 pairs.

PP should be reasonable as there is only 4 shots between the partners.
JB is a big gap between a 5 and 10.

Golfhead65 · 30-06-2020 5:27pm

Alanm wrote: »

Because it's 4 ball does that mean clubs could enter a team with a +3 and 17 h'capper? With the low guy cleaning up?

Yeah, total cop out by the GUI, as I said before spinless and not a pair of balls between them, odds heavily stacked to the Portmarnocks of this world where they can put their +1+2+3 players out and throw in a 15,16,17 h/c for the joy of saying they played Barton Cup but will contribute nothing..In this format Shots should be given where they come in the course but you would have to have a highest combined limited to say 16 to keep it fair..

Golfhead65 · 30-06-2020 5:29pm

willabur wrote: »

As a 13 handicapper I guess that's bad news for me

As a 13 handicapper you probably have a better chance of playing than 2 lads off 7

Alanm · 30-06-2020 7:03pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Yeah, total cop out by the GUI, as I said before spinless and not a pair of balls between them, odds heavily stacked to the Portmarnocks of this world where they can put their +1+2+3 players out and throw in a 15,16,17 h/c for the joy of saying they played Barton Cup but will contribute nothing..In this format Shots should be given where they come in the course but you would have to have a highest combined limited to say 16 to keep it fair..

It's not as bad as I thought, they published the rules here: https://www.golfnet.ie/SiteAssets/FIN%20-%20Terms%20of%20Inter-Club%20Competitions.pdf

Jimmy Bruen: No player shall be eligible to compete in this Tournament whose playing handicap was less than five
during the previous calendar year.

Barton Cup: Back marker concedes strokes to the other 3 players based on 90% of the difference between the full handicaps

Seems fair enough

GreeBo · 30-06-2020 7:11pm

I kinda think they should have just abandoned the competitions that couldnt be played as normal foursomes really. They are not the same competition as every other year, so whats the point?

Long Turn · 30-06-2020 7:52pm

It cheapens them.ðŸ˜€

NedBagg · 30-06-2020 8:00pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Yeah, total cop out by the GUI, as I said before spinless and not a pair of balls between them, odds heavily stacked to the Portmarnocks of this world where they can put their +1+2+3 players out and throw in a 15,16,17 h/c for the joy of saying they played Barton Cup but will contribute nothing..In this format Shots should be given where they come in the course but you would have to have a highest combined limited to say 16 to keep it fair..

Yup I thought that too ...but the rules also state that players cannot come down their handicap in order to play... I presume this means that all the + HC golfers cannot play....essentially it sets the lower handicap at scratch... I may be wrong??

tritriagain · 30-06-2020 8:58pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Yeah, total cop out by the GUI, as I said before spinless and not a pair of balls between them, odds heavily stacked to the Portmarnocks of this world where they can put their +1+2+3 players out and throw in a 15,16,17 h/c for the joy of saying they played Barton Cup but will contribute nothing..In this format Shots should be given where they come in the course but you would have to have a highest combined limited to say 16 to keep it fair..

Don't know about that. If a 17 is paired with a +3 he will have 18 shots. Get a good 17 (who's not really a 17) and I'd say he'd come in on a lot of holes.

morrga · 01-07-2020 11:22pm

Am I right in saying that if we have a 5 and 12 handicapper playing Barton Cup that the 12 handicapper effectively plays off 9?

mike12 · 01-07-2020 11:35pm

morrga wrote: »

Am I right in saying that if we have a 5 and 12 handicapper playing Barton Cup that the 12 handicapper effectively plays off 9?

We read it as you can't play a 5 and 12.

NedBagg · 02-07-2020 9:26am

That's how I read it also... u cannot drop down from a plus handicap to play off scratch and all your pairings have to be off exactly 14... rules out about 5 out of 9 of our pairings we had planned...

redhill · 26-07-2020 8:39pm

What’s the position on halved matches? Some J Bruen matches were halved and now having be be played to a conclusion I hear in some clubs

gypsy79 · 26-07-2020 9:32pm

How does the scoring go when it is ended after 3 games complete. So match is over.

We were been hammered in one of the others and 1 up in the other going up the last

GreeBo · 26-07-2020 10:27pm

redhill wrote: »

What’s the position on halved matches? Some J Bruen matches were halved and now having be be played to a conclusion I hear in some clubs

If it's all square after 18 you keep going unless 0.5 decided the overall match, no matter if you are first or last out.

GreeBo · 26-07-2020 10:27pm

gypsy79 wrote: »

How does the scoring go when it is ended after 3 games complete. So match is over.

We were been hammered in one of the others and 1 up in the other going up the last

Usually just all halved once match is over.

GreeBo · 26-07-2020 10:28pm

Bruen is all about getting two guys of 7,8 this year, high low four-ball doesn't work.

Golfgraffix · 26-07-2020 10:57pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Bruen is all about getting two guys of 7,8 this year, high low four-ball doesn't work.

Yep, I lost our match today, I was the high guy off 10, it’s not easy

Wichita Lineman · 27-07-2020 9:43am

Moate beat Esker Hills 3-2 in Jimmy Bruen 1st round. Final game in Moate played 3 extra holes Saturday night until darkness made continuing impossible. Play resumed on the 4th yesterday evening and we won it there.

Esker Hills had beaten us 3.5 / 1.5 in the Junior Cup on Friday.

Rikand · 27-07-2020 10:14am

Athlone were beaten by Ballinasloe in the Jimmy Bruen on Friday night. Ballinasloe were the home team and won all 3 matches at home

Athlone won against Ballinasloe in the Pierce Purcell on Saturday night. Athlone as the home team won 2 matches at home and 1 match away

Athlone were beaten by Portumna in the Senior Cup last night. Athlone won 1 match at home and lost 1 match at home. Athlone lost 2 matches away, one of which went to the 19th.

Athlone play Junior Cup this coming Thursday with 3 matches at home and 2 away

GreeBo · 27-07-2020 10:30am

Grange lost to Hermitage in Senior Cup on Saturday
Grange beat Edmondstown in Jimmy Bruen on Sunday

gypsy79 · 27-07-2020 10:51am

Elmgreen beat Margarets in PP on Saturday
Elmgreen beat Westmanstown in JB on Sunday

2020 GUI Cups & Shields

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