2020 GUI Cups & Shields

Dbu

Douglas beat Cork 3.5 to 1.5 in senior cup last night

ChippingSodbury

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Rosses Point lost to Castle Dargan in Junior Cup.

Castle Dargan disqualified for playing an ineligible player (not sure why he was ineligible). Rosses Point back in, playing Enniscrone Sat 29th Aug.

slingerz

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

As someone who is now just looking in from afar; can any managers or current players advise on what they think is the best make up of the team given the 3 home and 2 away Matches.

This is a new format in Munster region anyway for all the comps so interested to know peoples thoughts on how managers should go about putting the team together.

Luckily my old club has got through a few matches so far in a couple of the comps so interested to see how the teams get selected.

Also interesting is that Adare Resort were entered in a few comps for the first time I think. Would certainly be putting my hand up to play the away leg if I was playing against them!!!

Think the 3 home and 2 away should stay even if we get beyond Covid times

1 of 7

If Nphet extend the lockdown in kildare for 2 weeks today as expected, what will happen with the kildare teams in the inter club matches as they will fall 2/3 rounds behind schedule in the competitions. Will the kildare teams have to give walk overs. It would seem very unfair?

Pdoghue

1 of 7 wrote: »

If Nphet extend the lockdown in kildare for 2 weeks today as expected, what will happen with the kildare teams in the inter club matches as they will fall 2/3 rounds behind schedule in the competitions. Will the kildare teams have to give walk overs. It would seem very unfair?

It's getting very late in the year. As I understand the GUI stance as per the current guidelines, matches are not allowed to take place on Sunday 23rd. If that is extended, it'll be another 2 weeks before matches can be played. If that is the case, I can't see how the comps can be finished without the county restricted teams being thrown out. Unfair it may be, but for the sake of the comps as a whole, it may be the best course of action at this stage.

GreeBo

slingerz wrote: »

Think the 3 home and 2 away should stay even if we get beyond Covid times

Do you mean instead of the normal stroke qualifier?
Straight to matchplay will have too many rounds to get through (which is why they move these things to strokes qualifier)

If you mean during the normal matchplay stages then I dunno if I agree, its a pretty big advantage.

Miley Byrne

GreeBo wrote: »

Do you mean instead of the normal stroke qualifier?
Straight to matchplay will have too many rounds to get through (which is why they move these things to strokes qualifier)

If you mean during the normal matchplay stages then I dunno if I agree, its a pretty big advantage.

It's not stroke qualifier everywhere though. I can see the merit of keeping the 3+2 next year ie. not blocking too many teetimes at the host course as is normally the case with maybe 8 teams competing on the one day.

The downside is the lack of buzz and atmosphere at the host club that comes with so many matches happening over the weekend.

mike12

If they had enough time to run it off this year home and away then it should be doable in a normal year.
Leinster run the comps differently to Connaught where there are home and away matches and even groups in some comps where u play 3 teams.

For say the Junior cup that could easily be played mid week.

GreeBo

Miley Byrne wrote: »

It's not stroke qualifier everywhere though. I can see the merit of keeping the 3+2 next year ie. not blocking too many teetimes at the host course as is normally the case with maybe 8 teams competing on the one day.

The downside is the lack of buzz and atmosphere at the host club that comes with so many matches happening over the weekend.

It's only not strokes qualifier if there are not too many people to go straight to matchplay afaik.

Ronney

mike12 wrote: »

If they had enough time to run it off this year home and away then it should be doable in a normal year.
Leinster run the comps differently to Connaught where there are home and away matches and even groups in some comps where u play 3 teams.

For say the Junior cup that could easily be played mid week.

Just wondering why Junior cup specifically could be easily played mid week? Going out tin the evening after a full days work would hardly be best preparation.

mike12

Ronney wrote: »

Just wondering why Junior cup specifically could be easily played mid week? Going out tin the evening after a full days work would hardly be best preparation.

Its singles and quicker than 4ball or 4some.

Not sure how playing after work is any different to playing at any other time.

GreeBo

mike12 wrote: »

If they had enough time to run it off this year home and away then it should be doable in a normal year.
Leinster run the comps differently to Connaught where there are home and away matches and even groups in some comps where u play 3 teams.

For say the Junior cup that could easily be played mid week.

It was only possible this year due to fewer entrants (and playing matches every week) we were already having issues with people on two teams that were playing on the same day.

Miley Byrne

GreeBo wrote: »

It's only not strokes qualifier if there are not too many people to go straight to matchplay afaik.

I would say it's only stroke qualifier if there are too many to go to straight matchplay. Subtle difference but a difference all the same;)

GreeBo

Miley Byrne wrote: »

I would say it's only stroke qualifier if there are too many to go to straight matchplay. Subtle difference but a difference all the same;)

Bah, you lesser provinces are all the same!

But I would agree, more matchplay the better.

Miley Byrne

GreeBo wrote: »

Bah, you lesser provinces are all the same!

Give me the west of Ireland over anywhere inside the pale to be honest. Both have their merits but I would go insane stuck in the greater Dublin area

Golfhead65

Miley Byrne wrote: »

It's not stroke qualifier everywhere though. I can see the merit of keeping the 3+2 next year ie. not blocking too many teetimes at the host course as is normally the case with maybe 8 teams competing on the one day.

The downside is the lack of buzz and atmosphere at the host club that comes with so many matches happening over the weekend.

8 teams, try 19, that's how many teams were due to play in some Dublin qualifiers

Remind me

Hermitage bet Castle in senior cup on 23rd this evening

slingerz

Think the stroke qualifier is a Leinster thing

I know the sentiment about the occasion when played in the one course but you get more support when playing at home

The joining of sections from the start adds a bit of variety from the usual sectional groupings as well

Golfhead65

Pierse Purcell Rd 3. Newlands 3 Lisheen 2..Last match won on 22nd hole in Newlands. Gutted for my team who gave it their all

tbayers

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

As someone who is now just looking in from afar; can any managers or current players advise on what they think is the best make up of the team given the 3 home and 2 away Matches.

This is a new format in Munster region anyway for all the comps so interested to know peoples thoughts on how managers should go about putting the team together.

Luckily my old club has got through a few matches so far in a couple of the comps so interested to see how the teams get selected.

Also interesting is that Adare Resort were entered in a few comps for the first time I think. Would certainly be putting my hand up to play the away leg if I was playing against them!!!

Strongest pairs seem to be picked at home in my experience. Those with knowledge of away course plays a part too. However, how managers pick teams is a lottery some times.

opinionated3

What is the ruling ( if any) on a host course being essentially waterlogged prior to match day? I'm talking winter mats on tee boxes, shortened holes, bunkers out of play and constant plugged lies....

Poker Face

opinionated3 wrote: »

What is the ruling ( if any) on a host course being essentially waterlogged prior to match day? I'm talking winter mats on tee boxes, shortened holes, bunkers out of play and constant plugged lies....

https://www.golfnet.ie/SiteAssets/FIN%20-%20Terms%20of%20Inter-Club%20Competitions.pdf

10.4.4 In the event of a Course not being suitable for play in any round due to temporary greens or in the opinion of the Tournament Committee, abnormal ground conditions, home advantage must be conceded unless prior approval of the relevant Branch Officeis obtained.

opinionated3

Poker Face wrote: »

https://www.golfnet.ie/SiteAssets/FIN%20-%20Terms%20of%20Inter-Club%20Competitions.pdf

10.4.4 In the event of a Course not being suitable for play in any round due to temporary greens or in the opinion of the Tournament Committee, abnormal ground conditions, home advantage must be conceded unless prior approval of the relevant Branch Officeis obtained.

Thanks for that pokerface. Appreciate the info...

ballyk

Ballykisteen beat Thurles 3-2 last weekend in the Pierce Purcell and face Cahir in Round 4 on Saturday.

callaway92

Cahir beat Ballykisteen 4-1 yesterday in Round 4 of Pierce Purcell (East Munster) - 2/3 home games and 2/2 away

Cahir beat Faithlegg in Junior Cup. Were 3-0 up and the last two games still out were called in.

LuckyGent88

Looking through the Munster results and see that nenagh got beat by ballyneety in the Jimmy bruen.

That must be a big shock.

My own old club had a super win against limerick in junior cup with 3 away matchesand now play castletroy in the quarter final of munster. We are always quite strong in that comp.

Then very unlucky yesterday in senior cup v limerick where we wouldn’t be too strong. Lost 3-2 with last match in limerick loosing on 18.

The Aul Switcharoo

Faithlegg still have 3 teams in cups after this weekend

Pierce Purcell defeated Williamstown. Onto round 4 vs Thurles in neutral venue

Junior Cup were beaten by Cahir Park

Senior Cup defeated Waterford Castle into round 4...2 lads playing off +3 played a match in Faithlegg. Would have loved to see it. Faithlegg won it on 18

Jimmy Bruen defeated Ballykisteen into round 3 play Tipperary Gc next weekend

tbayers

Tramore. Only one team left and that is in the Jimmy Bruen.

Beat Youghal 3-2 at the weekend and play Thurles this coming weekend.

ChippingSodbury

Rosses Point (3 away) beaten by Enniscrone in Junior Cup on Sat. Apparently, there was a bit of controversy in Enniscrone: their Captain wouldn't play off the Blue Tees and insisted on playing from the whites. Pretty poor form really given that the Competition Rules state clearly that it must be the Blue tees.
Anyway, Rosses Point's last team standing is the Senior Cup.

Remind me

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Rosses Point (3 away) beaten by Enniscrone in Junior Cup on Sat. Apparently, there was a bit of controversy in Enniscrone: their Captain wouldn't play off the Blue Tees and insisted on playing from the whites. Pretty poor form really given that the Competition Rules state clearly that it must be the Blue tees.
Anyway, Rosses Point's last team standing is the Senior Cup.

Were previous rounds played off the whites?

frink

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Rosses Point (3 away) beaten by Enniscrone in Junior Cup on Sat. Apparently, there was a bit of controversy in Enniscrone: their Captain wouldn't play off the Blue Tees and insisted on playing from the whites. Pretty poor form really given that the Competition Rules state clearly that it must be the Blue tees.
Anyway, Rosses Point's last team standing is the Senior Cup.

Would you submit a complaint considering the breach?

Always thought it was at the discretion of the home team what tees to play from (could be different for each province too)

Remind me

frink wrote: »

Would you submit a complaint considering the breach?

Always thought it was at the discretion of the home team what tees to play from (could be different for each province too)

I thought the same.

I know 27 hole clubs have to play the same combination once they play 1 round on it and tees should the the same every round but didn't think it made a difference what color they are or if stated 'back' tees in a rule book.

Wouldn't fancy playing the likes of Druids Heath off the back tees on a soft day.

ChippingSodbury

frink wrote: »

Would you submit a complaint considering the breach?

Always thought it was at the discretion of the home team what tees to play from (could be different for each province too)

It's definitely a rule for Connacht Junior Cup as we were instructed by the Connacht GUI Secretary for our first round after we thought it was White tees.

I'm not the Team Captain so it wouldn't be my place to object. It's pretty poor form though and more than a little unsportsmanlike (if that's a word!)

GreeBo

frink wrote: »

Would you submit a complaint considering the breach?

Always thought it was at the discretion of the home team what tees to play from (could be different for each province too)

Different provinces have different "provisions".
Connaught:
Venue for Matches: All Inter-Club Matches shall be played over a Club’s recognised No.1 competition course.

Ulster:
Matches shall be played from the Competition Tees (normally White) unless previously agreed with the Branch Office

Neither Leinster nor Munster have anything regarding the course afaik.

GreeBo

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

It's definitely a rule for Connacht Junior Cup as we were instructed by the Connacht GUI Secretary for our first round after we thought it was White tees.

I'm not the Team Captain so it wouldn't be my place to object. It's pretty poor form though and more than a little unsportsmanlike (if that's a word!)

It depends on the course, lots of courses mostly play comps off the whites and rarely off the blues, we would be the opposite.

ChippingSodbury

GreeBo wrote: »

It depends on the course, lots of courses mostly play comps off the whites and rarely off the blues, we would be the opposite.

Pardon the pun but it's "black and white" for us! For as long as I can remember, the "one weekend" qualifying in Connacht has always been the Blue tees. In our first round match, we contacted the Connacht Secretary who stated that it must be played from the Blue tees.

Anyway, it's water under the bridge now.

Poker Face

GreeBo wrote: »

Different provinces have different "provisions".
Connaught:
Venue for Matches: All Inter-Club Matches shall be played over a Club’s recognised No.1 competition course.

Ulster:
Matches shall be played from the Competition Tees (normally White) unless previously agreed with the Branch Office

Neither Leinster nor Munster have anything regarding the course afaik.

Munster do have a rule what tees to play from. https://www.golfnet.ie/sites/ContentControl/About%20Us%20Listing%20Assets/Cups%20%20Shields%20Munster%20Matrix%202020%20Revised.pdf

LuckyGent88

Yeah munster junior cup is definitely off the “back tees””

Had to play the finals in Tralee of the back sticks and it was some test.

GreeBo

Poker Face wrote: »

Munster do have a rule what tees to play from. https://www.golfnet.ie/sites/ContentControl/About%20Us%20Listing%20Assets/Cups%20%20Shields%20Munster%20Matrix%202020%20Revised.pdf

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Yeah munster junior cup is definitely off the “back tees””

Had to play the finals in Tralee of the back sticks and it was some test.

That seems to be new since 2020, and that doc doesnt follow the previous "standard".
I grabbed the 2019 GUI "rules" for my quotes above.

callaway92

The Aul Switcharoo wrote: »

Faithlegg still have 3 teams in cups after this weekend

Pierce Purcell defeated Williamstown. Onto round 4 vs Thurles in neutral venue

That can’t be right. Ballykisteen knocked Thurles out and then Cahir knocked Ballykisteen out over the weekend.

Poker Face

GreeBo wrote: »

That seems to be new since 2020, and that doc doesnt follow the previous "standard".
I grabbed the 2019 GUI "rules" for my quotes above.

Munster GUI had it in there 2019 matrix as well, have it in an email. The 2018 one doesn't have it.

The Aul Switcharoo

callaway92 wrote: »

That can’t be right. Ballykisteen knocked Thurles out and then Cahir knocked Ballykisteen out over the weekend.

Oops. You are right. Faithlegg to play Cahir Park😅

GreeBo

Poker Face wrote: »

Munster GUI had it in there 2019 matrix as well, have it in an email. The 2018 one doesn't have it.

Hmm, https://www.golfnet.ie/siteassets/tournament-conditions-book.pdf

Which is for 2019 has no such stipulation (that I can see!) on Page 8?
Do you have a link to your copy?

Poker Face

GreeBo wrote: »

Hmm, https://www.golfnet.ie/siteassets/tournament-conditions-book.pdf

Which is for 2019 has no such stipulation (that I can see!) on Page 8?
Do you have a link to your copy?

Only have it in an email which Ive attached

tbayers

Didn't Cahir have to play two front 9's for their Junior Cup matches last weekend due to waterlogged back 9?

GreeBo

Poker Face wrote: »

Only have it in an email which Ive attached

Weird!
Do you know if that came directly from GUI or its something that someone made up within the club?

Poker Face

GreeBo wrote: »

Weird!
Do you know if that came directly from GUI or its something that someone made up within the club?

Came directly from Munster GUI Office



From: The Munster Branch
Sent: Wednesday 17 April 2019 10:18
To: The Munster Branch <info@munster.gui.ie>
Subject: Cups & Shields Munster - Tee Policy - Cups and Shield - 2019



To whom it may concern



In advance of the start of the senior Cups & Shields events (Fred Daly and Junior Foursomes have already started), please note Munster Golf policy hosting clubs will operate with regards to Tees.



Blue or Back Tees - Senior Cup, Barton Shield, Junior Cup.



White or Medal Tees - All other GUI sponsored Competitions including Bruen Shield and Pierce Purcell Shield.



For reference Draws & Team sheets can be accessed from this useful link https://www.golfnet.ie/about-us/documents/361/2018-munster-cups-and-shields-

callaway92

tbayers wrote: »

Didn't Cahir have to play two front 9's for their Junior Cup matches last weekend due to waterlogged back 9?

No - Junior Cup and Pierce Purcell were played over the full 18 (other course users could only play the old side of the river).

tbayers

callaway92 wrote: »

No - Junior Cup and Pierce Purcell were played over the full 18 (other course users could only play the old side of the river).

Ah, mixed reports so

Silver-Tiger

Newlands beat Craddockstown 4-1 in Junior Cup