Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Cyrus · 02-06-2021 10:59am

in other news the new eleven deli in the old killiney stores is a great addition,

can recommend the chicken and chorizo sandwich!

patrickbrophy18 · 02-06-2021 11:56pm

Cyrus wrote: »

in other news the new eleven deli in the old killiney stores is a great addition,

can recommend the chicken and chorizo sandwich!

Is it open already?

josip · 03-06-2021 12:04am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Is it open already?

Door was open yesterday when I was passing, and people going in, but there's still some work going on outside, maybe for the Druid's Chair outside summer business, but I'd imagine the Deli's business at the moment consists of word of mouth locals and knackered cyclists who need a break.

Cyrus · 03-06-2021 7:11am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Is it open already?

Yes for a week now

patrickbrophy18 · 09-06-2021 10:34pm

I posted the following on Facebook a few days ago and might as well post it here as well:

"I was driving the R119 to Dalkey last night and was shocked to see how tight the junction to Castlepark Road has become. A similar job was recently done at the junction with Hyde Road and Castlepark Road.

Given their functions as major arterial routes, would slip lanes not have been a better alternative?

I realize they were excessively wide before but, tightening them to near 90° is over the top.

Yeah, the DMURS dictates road design in urban areas. However, I find the ideals in it very simple minded and borders on spoon feeding at times."

It's going to be a disaster with over 100 apartments being built around the corner in Castlepark School and another 94 in Charleville. This is the very opposite of what they should be doing. Add to this the spike in traffic when the pandemic is over and everyone is vaccinated.

markpb · 09-06-2021 10:54pm

Slip lanes prioritise vehicle movements over everyone else. Pedestrians get to cross multiple roads instead of just one and cyclists get to cross their fingers and hope they don’t get run over. And the actual benefit to drivers isn’t as much as people believe. Any comparison to spoon feeding is beyond daft.

godtabh · 09-06-2021 10:56pm

markpb wrote: »

Slip lanes prioritise vehicle movements over everyone else. Pedestrians get to cross multiple roads instead of just one and cyclists get to cross their fingers and hope they don’t get run over. And the actual benefit to drivers isn’t as much as people believe. Any comparison to spoon feeding is beyond daft.

Left slips don’t add anything to junction capacity

Tight radius slow traffic.

All for traffic safety

patrickbrophy18 · 09-06-2021 11:27pm

godtabh wrote: »

Left slips don’t add anything to junction capacity

Tight radius slow traffic.

The problem with the above is that it effectively puts a hard limit of sorts on the size of vehicles using these junctions. At least slip lanes provide a staggered approach to pedestrian crossing without screwing with junction geometry. As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

godtabh wrote: »

All for traffic safety

I very much realize that these measures are for traffic safety. However speed ramps at slip lanes are a happy medium..erm...median. While desired lines are often mooted in the DMURS as cutting the amount of crossings, it doesn't change the fact that it makes things very awkward for even modest sized trucks.

ted1 · 09-06-2021 11:40pm

Patrick you are a funny bloke. You’d love a motorway through Dalkey.

People are just going to have to slow down and take the corner properly. It’s shocking the angle that Irish people take corners.

Speed ramps are horrible and should be avoided

Burt Renaults · 09-06-2021 11:52pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

You can still get a 12 metre bus or coach around that corner; it just has to swing out slightly wider. It was far too wide before - dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists. It was possible to turn left from Dalkey without even slowing down. It's far safer now.

patrickbrophy18 · 10-06-2021 12:09am

ted1 wrote: »

Patrick you are a funny bloke. You’d love a motorway through Dalkey.

People are just going to have to slow down and take the corner properly. It’s shocking the angle that Irish people take corners.

Speed ramps are horrible and should be avoided

Motorway through Dalkey? Eh, No.
Better permeability for all types of vehicles and other road users which provides greater footfall to the area? Yes. Now, I realize that we rarely see eye to eye on such matters as town planning or how they should function.

Maybe, it's an Aspie thing on my part as I do have Asperger's Syndrome. So, naturally, I would prefer to see Dalkey's road system being more systematic like they are in Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock whilst maintaining the best parts of its character.

markpb · 10-06-2021 8:18am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

The problem with the above is that it effectively puts a hard limit of sorts on the size of vehicles using these junctions. At least slip lanes provide a staggered approach to pedestrian crossing without screwing with junction geometry. As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

10-06-2021 9:29am

markpb wrote: »

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

all the time planning permission is being given for construction work in Dalkey, you will get large vehicles running through the village and the surrounding roads. Maybe not articulated lorries, but there are some pretty big trucks shifting stuff to and from both the Charleville and Castlepark school developments.

That particular junction has just gone from one extreme to the other. It was too wide before and dangerous for pedestrians, it is now too narrow and dangerous for road users, as people turning right in to castlepark road are almost obliged to cut the corner. I've had three close calls there in the past week (two of which were on a bike, before certain posters tell me I am a bastard for driving a car).

They urgently need to get the road remarked as well as getting yellow lines put down, as people are parking right up to the junction and seriously restricting the view of people turning out of Castlepark Road.

Cyrus · 10-06-2021 9:33am

Aegir wrote: »

you will get large vehicles running through the village

dont let them hear you say that in town

ted1 · 10-06-2021 10:16am

Cyrus wrote: »

dont let them hear you say that in town

Don’t you know, It has a town hall…..

Always a village to me.

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 7:46pm

Aegir wrote: »

They urgently need to get the road remarked as well as getting yellow lines put down, as people are parking right up to the junction and seriously restricting the view of people turning out of Castlepark Road.

Marked or not, they're still breaking the law by parking that close to a junction. But parking laws are very rarely enforced in that area. They also need to do something about the double-parking situation on Breffni Rd. I'm aware that most of the houses don't have off-street parking, but that's their problem. It shouldn't be the problem of other road users.

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 7:54pm

markpb wrote: »

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

It does have >11 metre buses though. And if you ever watch a 111 attempting to negotiate the turn outside McDonagh's, it is extremely tight. The overhang of the bus unavoidably has to sweep across the footpath. And the left turn from Barnhill Rd onto Hyde Rd (route 59) is an impossible maneuvre unless the bus swings onto the wrong side of the road on approach.

10-06-2021 8:47pm

What >11 metre byses are turning to/from Castlepark Road from the R119?

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 9:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What >11 metre byses are turning to/from Castlepark Road from the R119?

None that I know of. Although they wouldn't have any major problems doing so.

10-06-2021 10:06pm

What junctions involving buses in Dalkey have had their turning radii reduced?

patrickbrophy18 · 10-06-2021 10:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What >11 metre byses are turning to/from Castlepark Road from the R119?

While the service is currently suspended until further notice, when the Aircoach 703 to Dalkey is reinstated, one can assume that the Plaxton Panthers will still be the order of the day at 12 Meters in length. These struggled even before the works were carried out. Now, it will be nigh on impossible. Much of these junctions will need another revision when we are out of the pandemic.

With all of these junction tightening works going on, Dalkey will only really be accessible via the car, the bike or the DART. This is inherently very regressive and will only serve to benefit those with an elitist ivory tower mentality.

Now, I have no problem with people being wealthy and having big houses. In fact, I am predominantly capitalist at heart as capitalism and the wealth it generates through competition and hard work forms the backbone of most first world economies. However, I do have an issue with those who try to keep places like Dalkey to themselves.

This paints an unwelcoming atmosphere for those outside of Dalkey and will only serve to perpetuate the status quo of Dalkey as a town of snobs and consequently tarring all Dalkey residents with the same brush.

Back to the topic at hand, I do like the 2 lane cycle track along the coast and Dun Laoghaire seems to be on the way back to normality.

Burt Renaults · 11-06-2021 8:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

What junctions involving buses in Dalkey have had their turning radii reduced?

The entire 'Squareabout' outside McDonagh's, especially where the zebra crossing is. It had to be redone because they initially hadn't engaged in any consultation whatsoever with the relevant stakeholders and it was impossible to get a bus around the corner. Now you can just about get a bus around the corner, with a few inches to spare.

Living Off The Splash · 11-06-2021 8:53am

I live close to Blackrock village. Strolling through the main street the other day and having a takeout coffee was nice......but......the seats that they have put in place on the main street areas were filthy. Chairs and tables and ground around sticky and dirty. The new bins that were put in place were also filthy, handles, insides, ground around.

Does anyone know if Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Co. Co have anyone with a power hose cleaning around these areas?

fixXxer · 11-06-2021 9:01am

I see 00 Pizza in Patrick's Street has covered and uncovered seating in the parking spaces. Can anyone recommend it? Only ever passed it on the way to Kyoto.

bodgerfederer · 11-06-2021 9:32am

fixXxer wrote: »

I see 00 Pizza in Patrick's Street has covered and uncovered seating in the parking spaces. Can anyone recommend it? Only ever passed it on the way to Kyoto.

it's really good pizza. a touch pricey, but quality.

for context, my go to pizza would be fellinis in deansgrange, 00 is my special occasion pizza.

frash · 11-06-2021 9:36am

fixXxer wrote: »

I see 00 Pizza in Patrick's Street has covered and uncovered seating in the parking spaces. Can anyone recommend it? Only ever passed it on the way to Kyoto.

IMO it's ok pizza that is overpriced

bodgerfederer · 11-06-2021 9:48am

frash wrote: »

IMO it's ok pizza that is overpriced

ooh. i agree that it's a touch expensive. where would you get your pizza from (in the DL area, just to keep 'on thread')?

frash · 11-06-2021 10:48am

bodgerfederer wrote: »

ooh. i agree that it's a touch expensive. where would you get your pizza from (in the DL area, just to keep 'on thread')?

For takeaway - Shovelhead down by the Purty is pretty good
For eat-in 'That's Amore' never disappoints

11-06-2021 1:02pm

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Marked or not, they're still breaking the law by parking that close to a junction. But parking laws are very rarely enforced in that area. They also need to do something about the double-parking situation on Breffni Rd. I'm aware that most of the houses don't have off-street parking, but that's their problem. It shouldn't be the problem of other road users.

Before they narrowed the junction, people were parking all around the corner. Going for a dip at the forty foot trumps any laws, don't ya know.

It's crazy at the weekends, people just see a spot and park in it, the fact it is a stupid or illegal place to park is irrelevant and of course, on a Sunday there are no wardens so you can park anywhere you like.

Mav11 · 11-06-2021 4:03pm

Would you believe it? I didn't even know we had a Mayor.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dun-laoghaire-rathdown-mayor-una-20793423

11-06-2021 4:50pm

Burt Renaults wrote: »

The entire 'Squareabout' outside McDonagh's, especially where the zebra crossing is. It had to be redone because they initially hadn't engaged in any consultation whatsoever with the relevant stakeholders and it was impossible to get a bus around the corner. Now you can just about get a bus around the corner, with a few inches to spare.

Comparing the satellite/streetview imagery from a few years back with what appears to be the current version shows significantly wider turning radii for buses/HGVs.

You can compare the old version here: https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2782745,-6.1070826,3a,75y,192.69h,75.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1zthny7R4Y-zvo0kQscUSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D1zthny7R4Y-zvo0kQscUSw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D315.97162%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

@pat, the aircoach route 703 doesn't turn from the R119 onto Castlepark Road using the junction you were initially complaining about.

bodgerfederer · 11-06-2021 6:13pm

frash wrote: »

For takeaway - Shovelhead down by the Purty is pretty good
For eat-in 'That's Amore' never disappoints

Will try shovel head so. Wife says amore is great too, just never tried it.

pm1977x · 11-06-2021 7:01pm

Mav11 wrote: »

Would you believe it? I didn't even know we had a Mayor.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dun-laoghaire-rathdown-mayor-una-20793423

She's the cathaoirleach, possibly the most photographed and PR savy/hungry person in the history of the council.

Mav11 · 11-06-2021 7:35pm

pm1977x wrote: »

She's the cathaoirleach, possibly the most photographed and PR savy/hungry person in the history of the council.

That’s probably why it didn’t register with me.

Larbre34 · 11-06-2021 8:23pm

pm1977x wrote: »

She's the cathaoirleach, possibly the most photographed and PR savy/hungry person in the history of the council.

They say don't speak ill of the dead, so I won't, but there was worse than her for a photo op not a million years ago.

pm1977x · 11-06-2021 8:42pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

They say don't speak ill of the dead, so I won't, but there was worse than her for a photo op not a million years ago.

Fair enough, I think I know who you mean, coincidentally, since my post I was scrolling on Facebook and she came up twice in PR shoots to do with chewing gum and the coast guard. I presume herself and Robert Burns have their eyes on bigger prizes considering how heavily they both promote themselves front and centre (at the taxpayer's expense of course!) via DLRCOCO photo shoots.

Tarabuses · 11-06-2021 8:53pm

pm1977x wrote: »

She's the cathaoirleach, possibly the most photographed and PR savy/hungry person in the history of the council.

That doesn't make her the Mayor.

Larbre34 · 11-06-2021 8:54pm

I had to laugh earlier, she posted a tweet apologising for not being active much on Twitter lately due to being unwell. Not too unwell for all the photo ops apparently

AndrewJRenko · 11-06-2021 9:08pm

pm1977x wrote: »

Fair enough, I think I know who you mean, coincidentally, since my post I was scrolling on Facebook and she came up twice in PR shoots to do with chewing gum and the coast guard. I presume herself and Robert Burns have their eyes on bigger prizes considering how heavily they both promote themselves front and centre (at the taxpayer's expense of course!) via DLRCOCO photo shoots.

What taxpayers expenses have been involved in any such photo shoots?

Larbre34 · 11-06-2021 9:17pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What taxpayers expenses have been involved in any such photo shoots?

The Councils use contracted professional photographers, not their own resources. Everytime these photoshoots appear, its a few hundred lids of yours and mine.

Gareth Keenan · 11-06-2021 11:15pm

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Marked or not, they're still breaking the law by parking that close to a junction. But parking laws are very rarely enforced in that area. They also need to do something about the double-parking situation on Breffni Rd. I'm aware that most of the houses don't have off-street parking, but that's their problem. It shouldn't be the problem of other road users.

A joint planning application for off-street parking has been lobbed in for all but one of the houses on Breffni Terrace that do not currently have parking within their curtilage. If the planning applications are approved that will be the end of parking on the south side (DL direction) of that road.

And regarding the remodelling of some of these wide sweeping corners, I noticed tonight that St. Catherines Road/Albert Road junction is now being done. Personally, I'd love the corner at Fitzgerald's pub to be tightened, while they are on this kick. There might even be room for an outdoor table or two afterwards.

AndrewJRenko · 12-06-2021 12:06am

Larbre34 wrote: »

The Councils use contracted professional photographers, not their own resources. Everytime these photoshoots appear, its a few hundred lids of yours and mine.

The one that I was at had a staffer taking pics with their phone.

12-06-2021 12:55am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I had to laugh earlier, she posted a tweet apologising for not being active much on Twitter lately due to being unwell. Not too unwell for all the photo ops apparently

What a nasty and mean-spirited comment, but hardly unexpected from you I guess.

"Someone apologised for not using social media recently due to feeling unwell, but they're still doing events related to their role on the Council. I'm going to be snide, smug, condescending and unpleasant about it because I can't see the clear difference between the two."

pm1977x · 12-06-2021 1:02am

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Tarabuses wrote: »

That doesn't make her the Mayor.

I never said it did.

pm1977x · 12-06-2021 1:28am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What taxpayers expenses have been involved in any such photo shoots?

The last one I witnessed had a guy with a decent dslr with various lenses and a decent enough video camera. In other instances I’m sure it may well be other council staff...paid by??? (perhaps their time could be better spent elsewhere, there’s more pressing issues than taking pictures of pizza bins.)

The social media doesn’t run itself either, press releases don’t release themselves, it all comes at a cost to the taxpayer, which is fine when promoting council initiatives, but do these people have to be front and centre all the time?
now and again they could just stay out of frame lest it becomes more about them as individuals promoting themselves vs promoting council initiatives. I’m sure it’s considered part of the role but there’s a balance to be struck.

Zaney · 12-06-2021 1:37am

Monkstown outdoor space in the previous loading bays / parking spaces is now in use. Have to say I’m pleased FxB have set it up for their dining business as opposed to pub. Looked nice other than the line of traffic spewing out fumes beside it.

But, 8A are spreading out on the pavement. Really annoying as a local resident trying to walk by with (granted) a double buggy.

In Dún Laoghaire itself today when a business was setting out tables that I couldn’t walk past on the pavement, with the buggy, I asked if space could be left to get past. The response was “f*#k off”. I think the person regretted their gut response when I challenged them, so I won’t mention the business. But the residual pavement space in some locations is just awful.

tom1ie · 12-06-2021 1:43am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a nasty and mean-spirited comment, but hardly unexpected from you I guess.

"Someone apologised for not using social media recently due to feeling unwell, but they're still doing events related to their role on the Council. I'm going to be snide, smug, condescending and unpleasant about it because I can't see the clear difference between the two."

Jesus ****en Christ. People now have to apologise for being absent from the internet for a period of time? Ffs! Really? Have we reached that depth?

markpb · 12-06-2021 8:06am

tom1ie wrote: »

Jesus ****en Christ. People now have to apologise for being absent from the internet for a period of time? Ffs! Really? Have we reached that depth?

People have been doing that for years. It’s nothing new.

Mav11 · 12-06-2021 10:18am

Zaney wrote: »

But, 8A are spreading out on the pavement. Really annoying as a local resident trying to walk by with (granted) a double buggy.

In Dún Laoghaire itself today when a business was setting out tables that I couldn’t walk past on the pavement, with the buggy, I asked if space could be left .

So, did you manage to get past, or did you have to go back home?

Larbre34 · 12-06-2021 11:20am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The one that I was at had a staffer taking pics with their phone.

If you can reconcile some of the quality of these frequent photoshoots with a camera phone being used, good for you. I've been at more of those events than I care to remember down the years and its always professionals, I can even name the two main providers.

I remember the Indo covering the costs in a wider FoI story once. You could always send one in yourself to DCC or DLR and see what comes back.

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