Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Tea drinker · 28-05-2021 10:13pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How exactly did you work out that they're unneeded?

The ones I'm talking about seem to almost never be used.
e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sandycove+Ave+E,+Sandycove,+Dublin/@53.2879256,-6.1126808,167m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x486707defb471c8f:0xa00c7a9973229f0!2sD%C3%BAn+Laoghaire,+Dublin!3b1!8m2!3d53.2943958!4d-6.1338666!3m4!1s0x4867064879417093:0x8749b3abfa3135c5!8m2!3d53.2879316!4d-6.1121299

Of course some are a good use of space as they are well used, e.g. the ones at the 40ft are a good use of public space..
Most people throw their bikes on the grass in Dunlaoire or up against a wall.
Did you not notice all the bikes on the green when you noticed all the non distanced drinkers you mentioned before?

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

It doesn't have to be a bike rental company.

How many empty and unneeded bike stands have been converted from car spaces, were paid for by bicycle owners and how many have paid for this privilege through a parking fee or bicycle tax.

But you guys were saying the bike rental companies paid for it, then there's no evidence of that, now you are saying it doesn't have to be a bike rental company.
Lads, can someone please shut me up and show me factual evidence for Dun Laoire bike stands?

ted1 · 28-05-2021 10:21pm

Tea drinker wrote: »

But you guys were saying the bike rental companies paid for it, then there's no evidence of that, now you are saying it doesn't have to be a bike rental company.
Lads, can someone please shut me up and show me factual evidence for Dun Laoire bike stands?

https://irishcycle.com/2018/05/30/breaking-bleeperbike-and-urbo-get-licences-to-run-stationless-bicycle-share-in-dublin-city/

Section 5h, is where the funding comes from : http://ecouncil.dlrcoco.ie/documents/s63518/dlr Statiionless Bikes Bye-Laws 2018 Septmber 2018 Final Draft.pdf

AndrewJRenko · 28-05-2021 10:24pm

Tea drinker wrote: »

The ones I'm talking about seem to almost never be used.
e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sandycove+Ave+E,+Sandycove,+Dublin/@53.2879256,-6.1126808,167m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x486707defb471c8f:0xa00c7a9973229f0!2sD%C3%BAn+Laoghaire,+Dublin!3b1!8m2!3d53.2943958!4d-6.1338666!3m4!1s0x4867064879417093:0x8749b3abfa3135c5!8m2!3d53.2879316!4d-6.1121299

Of course some are a good use of space as they are well used, e.g. the ones at the 40ft are a good use of public space..
Most people throw their bikes on the grass in Dunlaoire or up against a wall.
Did you not notice all the bikes on the green when you noticed all the non distanced drinkers you mentioned before?

Actually no, I haven't seen bikes on the green, but I'll keep an eye out there. I've seen them at the paved areas all right. Throwing them up on the grass is OK if you're hanging around the grass. It's not great if you're going for a swim or a walk with others. You really need proper stands to lock up your frame and keep it safe.

But look at all those empty car parking spaces around there - clearly all unneeded, right?

dublinman1990 · 28-05-2021 10:38pm

Some bits of good news for Dún Laoghaire from the easing of restrictions announcement earlier today.

The 2 cinemas & the pavilion theatre will be back open on June 7th.

Restaurants & cafes in Dún Laoghaire will also have their indoor dining back this summer.

The Royal Marine Hotel should be back open to take bookings for the summer.

pm1977x · 29-05-2021 12:34am

ted1 wrote: »

So you can call me a blind zealot. But get upset when I point your your bigoted opinion.

Have a good weekend. I’ll be driving the young lad to training in the morning before I go for a cycle

You have a fine and peachy weekend yourself. I'll leave it there as I don't want to further ruin this thread for people who are bored of this discussion.

Larbre34 · 29-05-2021 3:04pm

pm1977x wrote: »

Quoting that Burns chap in relation to bikes is like quoting Elon Musk saying “electric cars are great” not exactly objective seeing as he’s cycling zealot No. 1 and we have him to “thank” for carpet bombing the area with bollards and cycling tracks.

He did give me a good laugh the other day though, soaked to the skin in Sallynoggin trying to set up yet another photo op/propaganda piece with his cargo bike for local deliveries, proving the absurdity of the idea for a country that gets torrential rain even in summer.

I would question the propriety of Robert Burns using his personal social media to shill for extreme anti car measures while at the same time being the senior official responsible for planning and implementing them. If the decision of the Council goes the other way where does he stand?

This came up in a related context recently when City Manager Owen Keegan admitted under questionning by a Councillor that the City Council promoting the Love 30 (kph) campaign was incompatible with its role as the Road Authority hosting a notionally impartial consultation on the 30 limit extension to main routes. In fact it caused serious damage to the credibility of that whole exercise.

josip · 29-05-2021 11:11pm

In case it hasn't already been mentioned, hot showers for Killiney Beach.

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/news/general-news-public-notices-press-releases/modern-changing-and-showering-facilities-killiney

Mav11 · 30-05-2021 11:35am

Sunrise in DL this morning. No traffic:)

Gaspode · 01-06-2021 1:02pm

Off topic posts deleted. The whole bikes v cars topic is a boring pain in the tits and is not to be brought up again. There are other forums for that. Im pretty sure this has been said before

woejus · 02-06-2021 10:58am

Gaspode wrote: »

Im pretty sure this has been said before

It's a vicious cycle.

Cyrus · 02-06-2021 10:59am

in other news the new eleven deli in the old killiney stores is a great addition,

can recommend the chicken and chorizo sandwich!

patrickbrophy18 · 02-06-2021 11:56pm

Cyrus wrote: »

in other news the new eleven deli in the old killiney stores is a great addition,

can recommend the chicken and chorizo sandwich!

Is it open already?

josip · 03-06-2021 12:04am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Is it open already?

Door was open yesterday when I was passing, and people going in, but there's still some work going on outside, maybe for the Druid's Chair outside summer business, but I'd imagine the Deli's business at the moment consists of word of mouth locals and knackered cyclists who need a break.

Cyrus · 03-06-2021 7:11am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

Is it open already?

Yes for a week now

patrickbrophy18 · 09-06-2021 10:34pm

I posted the following on Facebook a few days ago and might as well post it here as well:

"I was driving the R119 to Dalkey last night and was shocked to see how tight the junction to Castlepark Road has become. A similar job was recently done at the junction with Hyde Road and Castlepark Road.

Given their functions as major arterial routes, would slip lanes not have been a better alternative?

I realize they were excessively wide before but, tightening them to near 90° is over the top.

Yeah, the DMURS dictates road design in urban areas. However, I find the ideals in it very simple minded and borders on spoon feeding at times."

It's going to be a disaster with over 100 apartments being built around the corner in Castlepark School and another 94 in Charleville. This is the very opposite of what they should be doing. Add to this the spike in traffic when the pandemic is over and everyone is vaccinated.

markpb · 09-06-2021 10:54pm

Slip lanes prioritise vehicle movements over everyone else. Pedestrians get to cross multiple roads instead of just one and cyclists get to cross their fingers and hope they don’t get run over. And the actual benefit to drivers isn’t as much as people believe. Any comparison to spoon feeding is beyond daft.

godtabh · 09-06-2021 10:56pm

markpb wrote: »

Slip lanes prioritise vehicle movements over everyone else. Pedestrians get to cross multiple roads instead of just one and cyclists get to cross their fingers and hope they don’t get run over. And the actual benefit to drivers isn’t as much as people believe. Any comparison to spoon feeding is beyond daft.

Left slips don’t add anything to junction capacity

Tight radius slow traffic.

All for traffic safety

patrickbrophy18 · 09-06-2021 11:27pm

godtabh wrote: »

Left slips don’t add anything to junction capacity

Tight radius slow traffic.

The problem with the above is that it effectively puts a hard limit of sorts on the size of vehicles using these junctions. At least slip lanes provide a staggered approach to pedestrian crossing without screwing with junction geometry. As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

godtabh wrote: »

All for traffic safety

I very much realize that these measures are for traffic safety. However speed ramps at slip lanes are a happy medium..erm...median. While desired lines are often mooted in the DMURS as cutting the amount of crossings, it doesn't change the fact that it makes things very awkward for even modest sized trucks.

ted1 · 09-06-2021 11:40pm

Patrick you are a funny bloke. You’d love a motorway through Dalkey.

People are just going to have to slow down and take the corner properly. It’s shocking the angle that Irish people take corners.

Speed ramps are horrible and should be avoided

Burt Renaults · 09-06-2021 11:52pm

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

You can still get a 12 metre bus or coach around that corner; it just has to swing out slightly wider. It was far too wide before - dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists. It was possible to turn left from Dalkey without even slowing down. It's far safer now.

patrickbrophy18 · 10-06-2021 12:09am

ted1 wrote: »

Patrick you are a funny bloke. You’d love a motorway through Dalkey.

People are just going to have to slow down and take the corner properly. It’s shocking the angle that Irish people take corners.

Speed ramps are horrible and should be avoided

Motorway through Dalkey? Eh, No.
Better permeability for all types of vehicles and other road users which provides greater footfall to the area? Yes. Now, I realize that we rarely see eye to eye on such matters as town planning or how they should function.

Maybe, it's an Aspie thing on my part as I do have Asperger's Syndrome. So, naturally, I would prefer to see Dalkey's road system being more systematic like they are in Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock whilst maintaining the best parts of its character.

markpb · 10-06-2021 8:18am

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

The problem with the above is that it effectively puts a hard limit of sorts on the size of vehicles using these junctions. At least slip lanes provide a staggered approach to pedestrian crossing without screwing with junction geometry. As such left slips provide capacity for larger vehicles like articulated trucks and longer buses.

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

10-06-2021 9:29am

markpb wrote: »

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

all the time planning permission is being given for construction work in Dalkey, you will get large vehicles running through the village and the surrounding roads. Maybe not articulated lorries, but there are some pretty big trucks shifting stuff to and from both the Charleville and Castlepark school developments.

That particular junction has just gone from one extreme to the other. It was too wide before and dangerous for pedestrians, it is now too narrow and dangerous for road users, as people turning right in to castlepark road are almost obliged to cut the corner. I've had three close calls there in the past week (two of which were on a bike, before certain posters tell me I am a bastard for driving a car).

They urgently need to get the road remarked as well as getting yellow lines put down, as people are parking right up to the junction and seriously restricting the view of people turning out of Castlepark Road.

Cyrus · 10-06-2021 9:33am

Aegir wrote: »

you will get large vehicles running through the village

dont let them hear you say that in town

ted1 · 10-06-2021 10:16am

Cyrus wrote: »

dont let them hear you say that in town

Don’t you know, It has a town hall…..

Always a village to me.

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 7:46pm

Aegir wrote: »

They urgently need to get the road remarked as well as getting yellow lines put down, as people are parking right up to the junction and seriously restricting the view of people turning out of Castlepark Road.

Marked or not, they're still breaking the law by parking that close to a junction. But parking laws are very rarely enforced in that area. They also need to do something about the double-parking situation on Breffni Rd. I'm aware that most of the houses don't have off-street parking, but that's their problem. It shouldn't be the problem of other road users.

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 7:54pm

markpb wrote: »

Longer vehicles can take tighter turns than most people realise. And I’d argue that there’s no need for articulated buses and HGVs through Dalkey anyway. Deliveries can and should be be done by LGV and quite frankly Dalkey is not exactly a trunk route that needs articulated buses.

It does have >11 metre buses though. And if you ever watch a 111 attempting to negotiate the turn outside McDonagh's, it is extremely tight. The overhang of the bus unavoidably has to sweep across the footpath. And the left turn from Barnhill Rd onto Hyde Rd (route 59) is an impossible maneuvre unless the bus swings onto the wrong side of the road on approach.

10-06-2021 8:47pm

What >11 metre byses are turning to/from Castlepark Road from the R119?

Burt Renaults · 10-06-2021 9:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What >11 metre byses are turning to/from Castlepark Road from the R119?

None that I know of. Although they wouldn't have any major problems doing so.

10-06-2021 10:06pm

What junctions involving buses in Dalkey have had their turning radii reduced?

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