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Ireland u20s 6 Nations and World Championahip 2020

  • 23-07-2019 3:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Ireland finished 8th in the 2019 world championship after injuries caught up on the squad where expectations were high after a grand slam in the 6 nations. Pool stage results set us up for 5th to 8th playoff where losses to England and new Zealand meant 8th place.
    2020 world championship will be played Italy for the 3rd time in the 13 under 20 tournaments played since then change from under 19/21 to just an under 20 tournament.

    The groups for next yours tournament, based on this years results are as follows:
    France, Wales, New Zealand, Japan
    Australia, England, Ireland, Fiji
    South Africa, Argentina, Italy, Georgia

    Players eligible for 2020 to already play for the 20s include Thomas Ahearn,Thomas Clarkson, Brian Deeny, David McCann, John McKee, Charlie Ward, Ciaran Booth


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Leinster and Ulster development sides playing Friday in Malone. Should hopefully be quite a few 20s prospects involved in this


  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    I think they should have the teams for the Premier 1 qualifiers by the end of this week.

    Wait to see on results etc to see who has who and what league they want to go in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    Leinster and Ulster development sides playing Friday in Malone. Should hopefully be quite a few 20s prospects involved in this


    They lost 15-12 last minute penalty by Ulster terrible conditions I don't have any other detail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    They lost 15-12 last minute penalty by Ulster terrible conditions I don't have any other detail

    "They"...you mean Leinster? ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Stan27


    Ireland finished 8th in the 2019 world championship after injuries caught up on the squad where expectations were high after a grand slam in the 6 nations. Pool stage results set us up for 5th to 8th playoff where losses to England and new Zealand meant 8th place.
    2020 world championship will be played Italy for the 3rd time in the 13 under 20 tournaments played since then change from under 19/21 to just an under 20 tournament.

    The groups for next yours tournament, based on this years results are as follows:
    France, Wales, New Zealand, Japan
    Australia, England, Ireland, Fiji
    South Africa, Argentina, Italy, Georgia

    Players eligible for 2020 to already play for the 20s include Thomas Ahearn,Thomas Clarkson, Brian Deeny, David McCann, John McKee, Charlie Ward, Ciaran Booth

    Maloney still of age ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Maloney still of age?
    as in Martin? No he isnt


  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    This has died a death a little, I see the Irish 20s had first get together.

    Any ideas on who is involved?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    This has died a death a little, I see the Irish 20s had first get together.

    Any ideas on who is involved?
    heard few rumours but nothing more
    Probably will be when games come up around Christmas that we see who are involved. Usual against Munster and leinster


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Banner2theend




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I see they've completely abandoned Athlone as a venue again for the next 6 nations, home games are down in Cork again. when it the U20's were unfashionable it was fine to have it in Athlone and now with the extra publicity and fame for the u20's it's gone to Cork. just having a rant as I've just discovered there's no Connacht home game over Christmas either, it's a conspiracy I tell you all


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    typhoony wrote: »
    I see they've completely abandoned Athlone as a venue again for the next 6 nations, home games are down in Cork again. when it the U20's were unfashionable it was fine to have it in Athlone and now with the extra publicity and fame for the u20's it's gone to Cork. just having a rant as I've just discovered there's no Connacht home game over Christmas either, it's a conspiracy I tell you all
    been quite few years since athlone used. Moved to donnybrook for few years shame as was good to get spread of internationals round at least with it cork it's not Dublin.
    Connacht have a game at home before Christmas but not the two between xmas and new years


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    typhoony wrote: »
    I see they've completely abandoned Athlone as a venue again for the next 6 nations, home games are down in Cork again. when it the U20's were unfashionable it was fine to have it in Athlone and now with the extra publicity and fame for the u20's it's gone to Cork. just having a rant as I've just discovered there's no Connacht home game over Christmas either, it's a conspiracy I tell you all

    Pitch was often a mess. think that prompted the move to the 4G in donnybrook and now the 4G in Cork. Be great to see it back out West if Connacht get the 4G into the sportsground.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 224 ✭✭Stout Warrior


    heard few rumours but nothing more
    Probably will be when games come up around Christmas that we see who are involved. Usual against Munster and leinster


    Have you heard anything on this yet?


    Any idea if Coleman/Soroka are involved?


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Have you heard anything on this yet?


    Any idea if Coleman/Soroka are involved?

    Soroka came off injured for the Trinity 20s against Tarf a few weeks back.

    Dunno what timescale he was given but he did walk off with help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Have you heard anything on this yet?

    Any idea if Coleman/Soroka are involved?
    there will be nothing until day or two before game and sometimes these games will not have any coverage online.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    there will be nothing until day or two before game and sometimes these games will not have any coverage online.

    Munster usually post a quick highlight video of their game against the u20's, but I don't think Leinster do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Munster usually post a quick highlight video of their game against the u20's, but I don't think Leinster do.
    yeah I know. Was at work earlier didnt have time to expand on that. Munster generally will have match report, team news beforehand. Leinster wont.


  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭timothydec77


    FrannoFan wrote: »
    Pitch was often a mess. think that prompted the move to the 4G in donnybrook and now the 4G in Cork. Be great to see it back out West if Connacht get the 4G into the sportsground.

    I would have thought Galway is well served for Rugby compared to Cork.

    11 Pro 14 games and 3 European games.While Cork only gets 4 Pro 14 games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    I would have thought Galway is well served for Rugby compared to Cork.

    11 Pro 14 games and 3 European games.While Cork only gets 4 Pro 14 games.

    Ideally a game in connacht, Munster, ulster while the 6 nations is in dublin already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,612 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Wish we could host the u20 rwc. We could use Cork and Galway. It would be great to bring a great competition to Ireland.
    I like the venue in Cork. Athlone, the pitch was a mess and Dublin already gets the seniors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,612 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Any updates on the potential squad?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    Anyone any idea on who played for Leinster Development against the 20's the other day?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Anyone any idea on who played for Leinster Development against the 20's the other day?

    Ronan Loughnane, Fionn Gilbert, Ed Brennan, Cillian Redmond, Mick O’Gara, Josh O’Connor & James Reynolds were a few players involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Any updates on the potential squad?

    Most of the players who have been at Irish u20 squad meetups.. Could be missing one or two players:

    Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Leinster)
    Harry Noonan(Leinster)
    Charlie Ward(Leinster)
    Ryan McMahon(Leinster)
    Sam Illo(Leinster)(u19)
    Mark Donnelly(Munster)(u19)

    Hooker
    John McKee(Leinster)
    Bobby Sheehan(Leinster)
    Tom Stewart(Ulster)(u19)

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Munster)
    Paddy Kelly(Munster)
    Eoin O'Connor(Munster)
    Cormac Izuchukwu(Leinster)
    Cian Prendergast(Leinster)
    Joe McCarthy(Leinster)(u19)

    Backrow
    Brian Deeny(Leinster)
    Anthony Ryan(Leinster)
    Mark Hernan(Leinster)
    Sean O'Brien(Leinster)
    Alex Soroka(Leinster)(u19)
    Cian Hurley(Munster)
    Josh Dunne(Connacht)
    Lucas Culliton(Connacht)
    David McCann(Ulster)

    Scrumhalf
    Conor McKee(Ulster)(u19)
    Ben Murphy(Leinster)(u19)
    Lewis Finlay(Ulster)

    Outhalf
    Jack Crowley(Munster)
    Tim Corkery(Leinster)(u19)
    Cathal Forde(Connacht)(u19)

    Centre
    Hayden Hyde(Ulster)
    Ben Moxham(Ulster)(u19)
    Luis Faria(Leinster)
    Harry O' Riordan(Munster)(u19)
    Shane Jennings(Connacht) (u19)

    Back Three
    Niall Comerford(Leinster)
    Andrew Smith(Leinster)
    Max O'Reilly(Leinster)
    Josh O'Connor(Leinster)(u19)
    Ethan McIlroy(Ulster)
    Conor Rankin(Ulster)(u19)
    Diarmuid Kilgallen(Connacht)
    Oran McNulty(Connacht)


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Most of the players who have been at Irish u20 squad meetups.. Could be missing one or two players:

    Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Leinster)
    Harry Noonan(Leinster)
    Charlie Ward(Leinster)
    Ryan McMahon(Leinster)
    Sam Illo(Leinster)(u19)
    Mark Donnelly(Munster)(u19)

    Hooker
    John McKee(Leinster)
    Bobby Sheehan(Leinster)
    Tom Stewart(Ulster)(u19)

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Munster)
    Paddy Kelly(Munster)
    Eoin O'Connor(Munster)
    Cormac Izuchukwu(Leinster)
    Cian Prendergast(Leinster)
    Joe McCarthy(Leinster)(u19)

    Backrow
    Brian Deeny(Leinster)
    Anthony Ryan(Leinster)
    Mark Hernan(Leinster)
    Sean O'Brien(Leinster)
    Alex Soroka(Leinster)(u19)
    Cian Hurley(Munster)
    Josh Dunne(Connacht)
    Lucas Culliton(Connacht)
    David McCann(Ulster)

    Scrumhalf
    Conor McKee(Ulster)(u19)
    Ben Murphy(Leinster)(u19)
    Lewis Finlay(Ulster)

    Outhalf
    Jack Crowley(Munster)
    Tim Corkery(Leinster)(u19)
    Cathal Forde(Connacht)(u19)

    Centre
    Hayden Hyde(Ulster)
    Ben Moxham(Ulster)(u19)
    Luis Faria(Leinster)
    Harry O' Riordan(Munster)(u19)
    Shane Jennings(Connacht) (u19)

    Back Three
    Niall Comerford(Leinster)
    Andrew Smith(Leinster)
    Max O'Reilly(Leinster)
    Josh O'Connor(Leinster)(u19)
    Ethan McIlroy(Ulster)
    Conor Rankin(Ulster)(u19)
    Diarmuid Kilgallen(Connacht)
    Oran McNulty(Connacht)

    Be interesting to see how izuchukwu gets on in the row, played for roscrea seniors two years ago at 13, presumably the 7s development as a forward will be critical


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2019/12/27/mcnamara-names-ireland-under-20-team-to-face-munster-development/



    Ireland Under-20s (v Munster Development):
    15. Oran McNulty (Corinthians RFC / Connacht)
    14. Ethan McIlroy (Queens RFC / Ulster)
    13. Harry O’Riordan (UCC RFC / Munster)
    12. Hayden Hyde (Ballynahinch RFC / Ulster)
    11. Andrew Smith (Clontarf FC / Leinster)
    10. Jack Crowley (Cork Constitution FC / Munster)
    9. Lewis Finlay (Malone RFC / Ulster)

    1. Marcus Hannan (Old Belvedere RFC / Leinster)
    2. Tom Stewart (Ballynahinch RFC / Ulster)
    3. Tom Clarkson (Dublin University FC / Leinster)(captain)
    4. Brian Deeny (Clontarf FC / Leinster)
    5. Thomas Ahern (Shannon RFC / Munster)
    6. Sean O’Brien (UCD RFC / Leinster)
    7. Mark Hernan (Lansdowne FC / Leinster)
    8. Joshua Dunne (Galwegians RFC / Connacht).

    Replacements:

    16. John McKee (Old Belvedere / Leinster)
    17. Harry Noonan (Old Wesley RFC / Leinster)
    18. Charlie Ward (Clontarf FC / Leinster)
    19. Joe McCarthy (Dublin University FC / Leinster)
    20. Alex Soroka (Dublin University FC / Leinster)
    21. Conor McKee (Queens RFC / Ulster)
    22. Cathal Forde (Corinthians RFC / Connacht)
    23. Diarmuid Kilgallen (Galwegians RFC / Connacht)
    24. Max O’Reilly (Dublin University FC / Leinster).

    No Munster team named as of yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Munster team named.
    Jamie Shanahan; Ronan Quinn, Tommy Downes, Jack Delaney, Seán French; Alan Tynan, Charlie O’Doherty; Mark Donnelly, Eoghan Clarke, James French; Eoin O’Connor, Paddy Kelly; Cian Hurley(C), Anthony Ryan, Daniel Okeke.

    Replacements from: Kieran O’Shea, Aaron Hennessy, Ciaran Ryan, Liam Bishop, Adrian Brien, Amhlaoibh Porter, Farrell O’Donoghue, Ben Murphy, Tim Corkery, Killian Coughlan, Louis Bruce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Quite a few under 20s playing for Munster obviously with a few not from province on the bench such as Ben Murphy

    O Doherty at scrum half is a real good player. Big guy for a 9. Played quite a bit at 10 or 12 for his club at age grade. Eoin O Connor is a real good second row and would be interesting if he and ahearn form an all Waterford partnership for Ireland at any stage this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Also could a mod change thread title and fix spelling error. Been up 6 months but still.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Anyone at the game today?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Granny15


    Andrew Smiths hattrick helped ireland U20 to a 43-27 over Munster development in Cork this afternoon. Only 5 weeks to the beginning of 6 Nations U20’s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    20s hoping to play Cork Con ahead of 6 nations which would be good test down in Musgrave

    Next training camp in fota January 20th


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Irish 20's forwards preview

    LH Prop
    Harry Noonan(Greystone RFC/Old Wesley)
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere)
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Shannon) - u19

    Noonan likely to start first game, don't think there is much between him and Hanan be interested to see how both perform. Donnelly looks 3rd choice and may be called upon if theres injuries at the position.

    TH Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
    Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf)
    Ryan McMahon(Clongowes/Old Belvedere)

    Clarkson returns and could captain side.. Was excellent last season as a u19 and will hope to continue that fork this season. Ward got a few caps last summer during the JWC and can cover both sides of scrum. McMahon is an impressive physical prospect but there I'd have concerns over his scrummaging and discipline.

    Hooker
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
    Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/UCD)
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ballynahinch) - u19

    Some concern around this position in regards to line out throwing, Stewart offers the most around the pitch and that could be the difference maker. McKee returns from last season and needs a big season. Sheehan impressed playing AIL last season for UCD as a 18 year old, built like his brother Dan if given an opportunity at this level may surprise.

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Dungarvan RFC/Shannon)
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
    Eoin O'Connor(Waterpark RFC/Young Munster)
    Paddy Kelly(St. Munchins/Garryowen)
    Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/UCD)
    Cormac Izuchukwu(Roscrea/Old Wesley)
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19

    Ahern and Deeny both return after getting capped last summer during the RWC. Deeny could playing 6 but looks more likely to play 4 with Ahern at 5. Both are big athletic players who are a long way from filling out threir frames. O'Connor and Kelly are more physically developed but not as good athletes.. Interested to see who gets the bench spot between them first time up. Prendergast is a lock/blindside and this versatility could earn him a place on the bench. Izuchukwu is top tier athlete who has been playing 7's since last season, he played 13 in school and is very much a player in development at lock. Finally McCarthy is a player who emerged last season while playing for Blackrock, he almost immediately played AIL out of school and while it would be a surprise if he played during the 6 nations due to the depth at the position its only a matter of time before he gets 20s caps.

    Backrow
    David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD)
    Mark Hernan(St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
    Josh Dunne(Exile/Galwegians)
    Lucas Culliton(Roscrea/???)
    Cian Hurley(CBC Cork/Garryowen)
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/DUFC) - u19

    David McCann returns and the versatile backrow could line up at any of the three positions in the backrow, although I think he could feature at 8 early on. Sean O'Brien is a classic blindside but is capable of covering at 8 also.. Mark Hernan emerged last season captaining st. Micheal's to SCT glory he is a classic openside and while needing to bulkup could get the 1st shot at starting at 7. Anthony Ryan can cover all three backrow positions but looks like Hernans main competition at openside, Ryan is physically much larger than Hernan and this could be a factor when facing bigger packs. Josh Dunne is an exile who joined Connacht last season, he appears to be a classic number 8.. Culliton is an openside who while raw is apparently an excellent athlete. Cian Hurley is a 6/8 who looks more likely to feature at blindside for the 20s if selected. Finally Alex Soroka has played 2nd row, 6 and 8 this season and could feature for the 20s at 6 this season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    English and Scottish 20s squads named.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    English and Scottish 20s squads named.
    have you a link to Scottish squad? English us below
    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dickens-names-32-man-england-u20-eps


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    Irish 20's forwards preview

    LH Prop
    Harry Noonan(Greystone RFC/Old Wesley)
    Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere)
    Mark Donnelly(CBC/Shannon) - u19

    Noonan likely to start first game, don't think there is much between him and Hanan be interested to see how both perform. Donnelly looks 3rd choice and may be called upon if theres injuries at the position.

    TH Prop
    Tom Clarkson(Blackrock/DUFC)
    Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Clontarf)
    Ryan McMahon(Clongowes/Old Belvedere)

    Clarkson returns and could captain side.. Was excellent last season as a u19 and will hope to continue that fork this season. Ward got a few caps last summer during the JWC and can cover both sides of scrum. McMahon is an impressive physical prospect but there I'd have concerns over his scrummaging and discipline.

    Hooker
    John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere)
    Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/UCD)
    Tom Stewart(BRA/Ballynahinch) - u19

    Some concern around this position in regards to line out throwing, Stewart offers the most around the pitch and that could be the difference maker. McKee returns from last season and needs a big season. Sheehan impressed playing AIL last season for UCD as a 18 year old, built like his brother Dan if given an opportunity at this level may surprise.

    Lock
    Tom Ahern(Dungarvan RFC/Shannon)
    Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf)
    Eoin O'Connor(Waterpark RFC/Young Munster)
    Paddy Kelly(St. Munchins/Garryowen)
    Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/UCD)
    Cormac Izuchukwu(Roscrea/Old Wesley)
    Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC) - u19

    Ahern and Deeny both return after getting capped last summer during the RWC. Deeny could playing 6 but looks more likely to play 4 with Ahern at 5. Both are big athletic players who are a long way from filling out threir frames. O'Connor and Kelly are more physically developed but not as good athletes.. Interested to see who gets the bench spot between them first time up. Prendergast is a lock/blindside and this versatility could earn him a place on the bench. Izuchukwu is top tier athlete who has been playing 7's since last season, he played 13 in school and is very much a player in development at lock. Finally McCarthy is a player who emerged last season while playing for Blackrock, he almost immediately played AIL out of school and while it would be a surprise if he played during the 6 nations due to the depth at the position its only a matter of time before he gets 20s caps.

    Backrow
    David McCann(RBAI/Banbridge)
    Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD)
    Mark Hernan(St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
    Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/DUFC)
    Josh Dunne(Exile/Galwegians)
    Lucas Culliton(Roscrea/???)
    Cian Hurley(CBC Cork/Garryowen)
    Alex Soroka(Belvedere/DUFC) - u19

    David McCann returns and the versatile backrow could line up at any of the three positions in the backrow, although I think he could feature at 8 early on. Sean O'Brien is a classic blindside but is capable of covering at 8 also.. Mark Hernan emerged last season captaining st. Micheal's to SCT glory he is a classic openside and while needing to bulkup could get the 1st shot at starting at 7. Anthony Ryan can cover all three backrow positions but looks like Hernans main competition at openside, Ryan is physically much larger than Hernan and this could be a factor when facing bigger packs. Josh Dunne is an exile who joined Connacht last season, he appears to be a classic number 8.. Culliton is an openside who while raw is apparently an excellent athlete. Cian Hurley is a 6/8 who looks more likely to feature at blindside for the 20s if selected. Finally Alex Soroka has played 2nd row, 6 and 8 this season and could feature for the 20s at 6 this season.


    Great post.

    I'd agree about McMahon, cant see him getting any time in the side, he'd get destroyed in an international and is prone to losing the head.

    Culliton captained CCR last season as a loosehead lock, interesting to see him move to 7, wouldn't think he'd be the finished article there yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    have you a link to Scottish squad? English us below
    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/dickens-names-32-man-england-u20-eps

    https://m.imgur.com/fBkyKwW

    Here you go Sheep. Can't find a text version which is slightly annoying - found the image on another site this morning. Any ideas about that FORSOC academy mentioned in the bottom left with the stars? Any names stand out in general?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    https://m.imgur.com/fBkyKwW

    Here you go Sheep. Can't find a text version which is slightly annoying - found the image on another site this morning. Any ideas about that FORSOC academy mentioned in the bottom left with the stars? Any names stand out in general?

    It's the Scottish rugby academy system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Great post.

    I'd agree about McMahon, cant see him getting any time in the side, he'd get destroyed in an international and is prone to losing the head.

    Culliton captained CCR last season as a loosehead lock, interesting to see him move to 7, wouldn't think he'd be the finished article there yet.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Charlie Ward starts loosehead and if Daniel okeke is involved would add considerable beef to the backrow


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Charlie Ward starts loosehead and if Daniel okeke is involved would add considerable beef to the backrow

    Okeke has a load to work on to make next year's 20s side.. Very much a project and not involved with the wider 20s squad.

    Can't see Ward playing LH unless injury or Noonan/Hanan struggle in the scrum massively to lock down scrum.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Scrumhalf
    Lewis Finlay(Down HS/Malone)
    Conor McKee(Sullivan/Queens) - u19
    Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Clontarf) - u19

    A lot of question marks at this position it appears Finlay looks to be 1st choice at the moment but how highly he is rated seems to be anyone's guess. Below that McKee and Murphy were the top two scrum halves on last year's Ireland u18 side. Both have played some AIL and currently look to be competing for the bench spot behind finlay.

    Outhalf
    Jack Crowley(Bandon/Cork Con)
    Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD) - u19
    Cathal Forde(Corinthians) - u19

    Crowley is clearly the 1st choice here and will be a key player for the 20s to be successful. Meanwhile Tim Corkery and Cathal Forde both are involved in the 20s squad which would have been considered a surprise at the start of the season. Corkery especially has came from nowhere this season, first leading Leinster u19 to interpro success and then appearing for Leinster A in the Celtic Cup. Two seasons ago the starting 10s for Ireland u18 were Paddy McKenzie and Dylan Prendergast neither of whom seem to have made step up outside of schools rugby. Cathal Forde was involved in the 2nd Ireland u18 side last season and it will be interesting to see if he or Corkery are the sub 10 first game up.

    Centre
    Hayden Hyde(Exile/Ballynahinch)
    Luis Faria(Wanderers/DUFC)
    Harry O'Riordan(CBC Cork/UCC) - u19
    Shane Jennings(Garbally/Ballinasloe) - u19
    Ben Moxham(Ballymena) - u19

    An interesting mix of players Here, Hyde looks to be a key player who will line up at 12 and Ireland will rely on heavily in midfield. After him it's a matter of who fits best next to him at 13. Jennings is a minor GAA star who Connacht have managed to get away from Galway hurling.. He is raw but an excellent athlete. I don't know much about Moxham, who has came through the Ulster club scene. Faria came through the Leinster club game and while not a big name has consistently been picked at 13 for Leinster underage sides. Finally O'Riordan may be in pole position for the 13 spot, he featured their last season for Ireland u18 and it will be interesting to see how he goes if given the nod first game up.

    Back Three
    Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
    Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf)
    Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD)
    Ethan McIlroy(Methody/Queens)
    Oran McNulty(Exile/Corinthians)
    Diarmuid Kilgallen(Roscrea/Galwegians)
    Josh O'Connor(Wexford/UCD) - u19
    Conor Rankin(Campbell/Ballynahinch) - u19

    Max O'Reilly returns from last years JWC but isn't assured of a starting position in this back three. A more natural 15 he looks to be competing again McNulty and Rankin for that position with McNulty looking favourite to win out. On the wings it looks likely it will be Smith and McIlroy who both look to be in good form and are highly rated within their respective provinces. Comerford, Kilgallen and O'Connor are primarily wingers and it will be interesting to see who will be called upon first if required. Should mention Aaron Sexton will likely be missing due to Irish 7's duty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Charlie Ward starts loosehead and if Daniel okeke is involved would add considerable beef to the backrow

    Okeke is really not great, saw him for U19 this summer gone and while he can do great things in attack, he goes missing in games and his workrate and skillset is nowhere near 20's standard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Okeke is really not great, saw him for U19 this summer gone and while he can do great things in attack, he goes missing in games and his workrate and skillset is nowhere near 20's standard.

    Is currently training with the munster seniors after featuring for their development team vs Ireland 20s so must be doing something right, Oisín McCormack from garbally could well be the starting 7 come jwc, missed all of summer up until Christmas out with injury but was very good for Irish schools last year and was an injury reserve for last years jwc as an u18 sixth year


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    and was an injury reserve for last years jwc as an u18 sixth year

    I find this unlikely considering the JWC runs throughout the Leaving Certificate. If he was 5th year (like Alex Kendellan was say for example) that would make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep




  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    I find this unlikely considering the JWC runs throughout the Leaving Certificate. If he was 5th year (like Alex Kendellan was say for example) that would make sense.

    Not st all unlikely Craig Casey travelled the year he did his leaving cert to Georgia to accelerate his development.. not to mention players from years before did their exams during the jwc, Nathan doak looks to be in camp with 20s atm, in the video put up on Instagram there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Is currently training with the munster seniors after featuring for their development team vs Ireland 20s so must be doing something right, Oisín McCormack from garbally could well be the starting 7 come jwc, missed all of summer up until Christmas out with injury but was very good for Irish schools last year and was an injury reserve for last years jwc as an u18 sixth year
    did he actually travel though.
    Really shouldn't be impacting LC.. pick u18s if not involved in exams.
    McCormack is Ballinasloe rfc as much as school... they play as much in club as the school.


  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Not st all unlikely Craig Casey travelled the year he did his leaving cert to Georgia to accelerate his development.. not to mention players from years before did their exams during the jwc, Nathan doak looks to be in camp with 20s atm, in the video put up on Instagram there

    You sure its Doak u19? Looked like McKee u19 and Finlay u20 to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Doaks not involved.

    Scrumhalves in at the moment are Finlay, Murphy and McKee.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    You sure its Doak u19? Looked like McKee u19 and Finlay u20 to me.

    Look at the start of the video during the meeting, he didn’t train but was in camp


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