#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

Jordan devlin ? I'll admit I don't follow the Irish and uk wrestling as closely as others do here, but honestly what the **** was going on in it ?

Stuff about Scrull and underage texting..

Devlin doesn’t seem clean in all this either

This is going to get much worse before it gets better

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't know if this is unpopular or not but I don't feel very comfortable with people just being able to name people online like this? Once your name is out like that you're fighting an uphill battle trying to get the genie back into the bottle (if you're innocent, I mean!). It doesn't sit all that well with me, I dunno.

There aren’t many people who would want this attention on them if it wasn’t true(tthe accuser I mean)

And the vast vast majority have some form of proof

bennyl10 wrote: »

There aren’t many people who would want this attention on them if it wasn’t true

You're correct there. And the ones speaking out do seem to have verifiable stories. I'd just be worried that someone with a grudge against a wrestler, real or imagined, could slap something up and people would call for their head. I've seen some of the toxic stuff online and the obsessive nature of some fans. Genuinely scary.

Anybody who has abused anyone needs to be dealt with severely though. There's enough sh*t going on in the world without this apparent vile carry on.

Omackeral wrote: »

You're correct there. And the ones speaking out do seem to have verifiable stories. I'd just be worried that someone with a grudge against a wrestler, real or imagined, could slap something up and people would call for their head. I've seen some of the toxic stuff online and the obsessive nature of some fans. Genuinely scary.

Anybody who has abused anyone needs to be dealt with severely though. There's enough sh*t going on in the world without this apparent vile carry on.

I'd be of a similiar opinion to yourself omackeral in that in an effort to rightly expose this vile **** and for people doing it to get called on it, that someone who is innocent will be named wrongly and that stain will stick.

You're right about the fan stuff. There are some very weird and disturbing stuff happening including Alexa bliss and Sasha banks husband where one fan is convinced that her husband robbed her from this fan. The earth really has shifted off it's axis in 2020.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Source ?

Sportskeeda have it on twitter

https://twitter.com/colohue/status/1273736117242736644?s=21

It truly is one of the most bizarre businesses around.

Jimmy Havoc's ex is now speaking out about the 3 years of emotional and mental abuse she suffered.

I don’t remember a day like this in wrestling on either side of the the Atlantic in regards to stories of this nature. It won’t stop me watching wrestling as I believe the good far outweigh the ****ty people involved in wrestling. I just stopped watching the Saudi shows bar the first one because I didn’t feel okay watching them.

showpony1 wrote: »

I just read one fan #speakout because William Eaver shouted at him at the merch table...

Shouting at someone isn't a good thing to do but come on let's not dilute the seriousness of the allegations.

the eternal struggler wrote: »

This is all very serious and there's already people with silly grudges trying to dilute it. I saw a guy from Scotland complain that Tyler Bate texted his Mrs trying to shag her. Like there is actual rape and sexual abuse allegations out there, stuff like shouting at a merch table and texting someone's girlfriend is just not helping really. Probably done with wrestling myself because of all this and I was barely hanging by a thread before it.

The most bizarre one i read was a girl saying that she wouldn't have sex with David Starr so he angrily went into the next room and had a hand shandy to porn.

undertaker fan 88 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AKI_Evolution/status/1273755945466806278?s=09

Jim cornette and wife added to list

His experience show has already been recorded but his co host said the other one is being recorded Sunday and they'd talk about the stories that were breaking during the recording. I'm not sure they were expected to have to address this. I can see his wife being on the podcast now to presumably defend herself.

Omackeral wrote: »

She says it's Alexander Dean.

Not shocked about him.
Anyone who has ever met him will know why.

showpony1 wrote: »

The most bizarre one i read was a girl saying that she wouldn't have sex with David Starr so he angrily went into the next room and had a hand shandy to porn.

Is that the girl who said no because she had thrush? Who also said he had sex with her when she was blackout drunk??? Or does he have a habit of aggressively **** in bathrooms after girls tell him no..

I know this is for British/Irish wrestling, but was there any more about the Velveteen Dream accusations?

WWE have said they are aware of the allegations and are investigating them in regards to Jordan devlin. I think off line these allegations should be investigated because for all the good of social media it's not the place for these very serious allegations.

I understand why people feel sketchy initially when stuff like this breaks. If you're kind of an outsider looking in and don't understand, it can seem like someone can just pick a name, pick a type of abuse and ruin someone. But that is to fundamentally misunderstand what happens in the real world to people who've traditionally spoken up.

This isn't the first series of stories to break, yet many of those accused got sheltered and protected, there's some nasty tweets from 2017 from Will Ospreay that kinda shows the attitude many in the business had towards protecting their friends and using their fame to have anyone who accused them essentially blacklisted from wrestling and written off as 'crazy'. The Michael Elgin/Moses Malone story is another sad one: he continued to use and protect a guy who raped her and doesn't contend that, but at the same time both tried to use her for sex acting as a shoulder to cry on while gaslighting her into trying to keep quiet about speaking up...some really messed up stuff. She had evidence and posted screenshots he didn't/couldn't contend to back up all of this. What was the end result? Dave Meltzer painted a picture of her as a crazy liar, Elgin sued her for defamation (which the judge threw out and backed up that what she said was true if not illegal), many on Twitter started to attack her saying that a GoFundMe she set up was a scam, when even Elgin admitted there were legal proceeding etcs. It was a mess. That's what being a victim has been like even since the likes of MeToo. If you're a 'normal' person with no following, you're going up against a famous person who can, with one quote-tweet, send an army of their fans (who don't know a thing about them personally but are also emotionally invested in their public persona) after you to attack you.

So no, it tends not to happen that people put themselves in that firing line. Consider David Starr's ex who started all this: on Wednesday morning he had an almost obsessive and aggressive cult following who preyed on every word he said, he'd been accused of basically being a nonce publicly before and it got zero traction, and he'd kept a folder of nudes etc of her he threatened to release if she ever spoke up...how do you think she felt looking at THAT lay of the land before saying anything?

Also I can say for a fact that, with the allegations being released and shared wildly at the moment, it's being vetted by people who are demanding some form of proof and multiple sourcing before posting anything. Sadly there is something to the allegations that are being put out there, even if we don't want to believe some of them because we liked watching them wrestle. Also fwiw, I dunno if I'll ever tell this story fully myself, but I can personally state that after early experiences in wrestling I made a pledge myself to never bring a girl I was dating around wrestling because of the experiences of one I did. It's a thing, unfortunately, and I'm on those people's side because I had to see it through the eyes of people I cared about down the years. I wouldn't go near being involved in local wrestling for years after I left because I had such a bad taste and image of many of the people involved, until I found a place that shared my values that I felt happy to support and promote (and they've helped mould a generation of wrestlers who thankfully preach and live those values now, giving hope for the future).

There are reasons behind why it is that way that I'll speak up on if someone more qualified and better served to doesn't first. But maybe this is the start of a change of the culture, hopefully.

Lord TSC wrote: »

Gonna have to update the thread title. Matt Riddle accused...

https://twitter.com/CandyCartwright/status/1273896403941691392

floodgates could open now

How often have WWE guys been accused before with nothing coming of it?
Riddle is due on this week's Smackdown, isn't he?
For Devlin, luckily for them they crowned a new champion.

I'd say there are so many incidents that people are too scared to come forward about as they would likely just be referred to as "ring rats" and dismissed. This is why the more voices speaking up will get heard.

Enzo was sacked stage at the allegation stage so I can't see it being any different for Riddle and Devlin.

Although Enzo was ultimately proven innocent.

John Hutton wrote: »

Hard to be surprised when Teddy Hart still got booked

What have I missed about teddy hart outside of him being weird ?

I wonder what entertainment industry is next ? I can see music being next.


And just to be clear about my last post it's that there is so much info posted on twitter within the last 12-24 hours that I've learnt more from here and other websites as to who has been accused because it's standing out amongst the general noise of twitter and other places. That was my point in general and my fault is at times I don't word things in a way that is clear.