mark of the beast

branie2 · 06-10-2019 11:10pm

Meeting the Lord in the air refers to His Second Coming

NaFirinne · 24-10-2019 2:59pm

How long do you think it is now before the Second Coming?

I feel we are certainly seeing the signs of possible end times in society today.

Things seem to be moving fast as well. Wasn't and increase homosexuality an vegetarians predicted as a sign towards the end? Also a return to sin like was only on the earth before the flood.

It will get so much easier to control money in the future - we already have google pay and apple pay which make it so much easier to purchase goods....once these technologies become the main method of payment - it won't be hard for these companies to introduce some sort of social acceptance rating and determine if your banned from using their services or not....Much like the way they ban people who's view they don't agree with from social media today.

I'd give it 16 more years possibly before the 2nd coming.

But the mark of the beast could be very much in by 2030.

Cabaal · 24-10-2019 3:42pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'd give it 16 more years possibly before the 2nd coming.

But the mark of the beast could be very much in by 2030.

I think we should sticky this for history's sake,

Just like we can look back at similar sentences for numerous decades and years, 2030 will pass and you'll be very wrong.

NaFirinne · 24-10-2019 4:40pm

Cabaal wrote: »

I think we should sticky this for history's sake,

Just like we can look back at similar sentences for numerous decades and years, 2030 will pass and you'll be very wrong.

Please do.

NaFirinne · 25-10-2019 5:16pm

Alayna Mushy Bagpipes wrote: »

All that can be said with certainty is that we are closer now than yesterday, however there are quite a few reasons to generally concur with your opinion, just a few of which I list below:

- The restoration of the nation of Israel was a prerequisite to some of the events described in Daniel and Revelation and simply dismissing it as a hookup between Evangelical prophecy followers/opportunistic political Zionists belies the fact that sometimes prophecy is given as an instruction to follow - in which case that particular preparatory piece is now in place.
- The infrastructure is broadly in place for global governance now where it would have been much more difficult in pre-Internet times.
- the final Roman Empire having strong links with the original Roman Empire (Latin influenced language, Roman Catholic faith retaining Imperial titles) but being a mix of iron and clay, suggestive of diverse cultures and ethnicity
- Widespread departure from the faith... this is most prominent in Western society (some parts of South America and Africa are bucking the trend).
- Per Rev 9:16, "And the number of mounted troops was two hundred million; I heard their number." This would have been an unimaginable figure at the time; the world population is believed to have been two hundred million in the 1st Century which John could not possibly have known or guessed.

Having said that, we do not yet have the restoration of the daily sacrifice in Jerusalem nor the Third Temple, it seems the antichrist won't be revealed until these are in place and it will take a significant change in the Middle Eastern picture before they become a reality.

Look up PJ Hanley studies on eschatology. There very interesting.

I'm not say I know the hour, I'm just saying that the season for all these things looks quite close now.

NaFirinne · 23-03-2020 10:59am

Now that we have experienced Covid19 - Do people still think that End times are not drawing nearer.

Have a look at this

https://id2020.org/manifesto Now this looks to me very much the 1st iteration of the Mark of the Beast - as it will control everything through your Identity.

I'm also not an anti vaccines but what business do they have putting these id chips into vaccines?

I don't think they are really doing it for the good of people, I think they are doing it for more control of people.

https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines

corks finest · 23-03-2020 11:07am

jmreire wrote: »

If you believe in God, then it's possible, so it very much depends on the individual. Personally, I want nothing to do with imbedded chips, We are controlled enough as it is without our every move and action being monitored.. and what will happen when they will not only monitor what you are thinking, but can control that too????

Same ref imbedded chips etc it's a firm no no from me

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-03-2020 2:01pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Now that we have experienced Covid19 - Do people still think that End times are not drawing nearer.
Have a look at this
https://id2020.org/manifesto Now this looks to me very much the 1st iteration of the Mark of the Beast - as it will control everything through your Identity.
I'm also not an anti vaccines but what business do they have putting these id chips into vaccines?
I don't think they are really doing it for the good of people, I think they are doing it for more control of people.
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines

Absolutely, their aim towards 'birth-to-death' unique, novel-biometric, blockchain, passiveRFID, DigitalID from ID2020.org is nothing less than exactly what you mention.
You only have to look at the founders/sponsors of this project to realise just how huge it is. https://id2020.org/alliance

The end date to Digi-ID is 2030 (Agenda21), so it's a long-game for the 1st 1.5bn in the developing world.
The rest maybe 2035. COVID19 does provide the ideal opportunity to ramp it up, exponentially.

It has some minor advantages, but this is outweighed by disadvantages.

NaFirinne · 23-03-2020 3:30pm

It's scary that they will put these into the vaccines.

I want to be able to take vaccines and not have to fear that there are chips in them.

This isn't really conspiracy now - this is real and their agenda.

What's the odds the corona virus vaccine will contain these without being publicized.

smacl · 24-03-2020 10:42am

NaFirinne wrote: »

It's scary that they will put these into the vaccines.

I want to be able to take vaccines and not have to fear that there are chips in them.

This isn't really conspiracy now - this is real and their agenda.

What's the odds the corona virus vaccine will contain these without being publicized.

No offence, but chips in vaccines most definitely reads as conspiracy theory with a touch scare-mongering from where I'm sitting. Looks like we'll have a 12 to 18 month wait for a conventional vaccine to the current Covid-19 pandemic. I rather doubt injecting the population with evil nanobots is really anything anyone needs to worry about any time soon. The likes of CRISPR hackers would be a more realistic medium term concern.

NaFirinne · 24-03-2020 10:04pm

smacl wrote: »

No offence, but chips in vaccines most definitely reads as conspiracy theory with a touch scare-mongering from where I'm sitting. Looks like we'll have a 12 to 18 month wait for a conventional vaccine to the current Covid-19 pandemic. I rather doubt injecting the population with evil nanobots is really anything anyone needs to worry about any time soon. The likes of CRISPR hackers would be a more realistic medium term concern.

Did you read the articles?

smacl · 25-03-2020 9:16am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Did you read the articles?

Yep, no 'chips' in vaccines. Simply collecting biometric IDs, e.g. fingerprints, and photography at the same time as providing vaccinations. Many of us already using the exact same biometric tools to do things like unlock our phones. Biometric techniques are also increasingly being used in passports. Perhaps you could point out where anyone has talked about injecting chips with vaccines.

4068ac1elhodqr · 25-03-2020 3:32pm

smacl wrote: »

Yep, no 'chips' in vaccines. Simply collecting biometric IDs, e.g. fingerprints, and photography at the same time as providing vaccinations. Many of us already using the exact same biometric tools to do things like unlock our phones. Biometric techniques are also increasingly being used in passports. Perhaps you could point out where anyone has talked about injecting chips with vaccines.

This technology already exists, and is the future benchmark for accessing services. It's a small RFID impnat, not exactly a large processing chip or computer.

3,000 folks in Sweden opted in for it.
In America companies have started RFID'ing their employeees, company in Wisconsin (80/250), and apparently, they're all "lovin' it".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12110556

smacl · 25-03-2020 3:52pm

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

This technology already exists, and is the future benchmark for accessing services. It's a small RFID impnat, not exactly a large processing chip or computer.

3,000 folks in Sweden opted in for it.
In America companies have started RFID'ing their employeees, company in Wisconsin (80/250), and apparently, they're all "lovin' it".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12110556

An RFID implant isn't slyly injected with a vaccine though is it? It is also not achieving anything you couldn't do with bio-metrics, albeit at a lower cost. My phone for example can recognise me via facial recognition and/or fingerprint. My genes can be sequenced as a method of uniquely identifying me to a far higher degree of accuracy and robustness than RFID could mange.

The issue isn't being uniquely identifiable by a sophisticated computer as that is already the case for all of us without the need for any implant. The issue is about storing databases that identify and track people and their behavior illegally and this issue is dealt with by society rather than technology, e.g. through GDPR.

4068ac1elhodqr · 25-03-2020 8:00pm

smacl wrote: »

An RFID implant isn't slyly injected with a vaccine though is it? It is also not achieving anything you couldn't do with bio-metrics, albeit at a lower cost. My phone for example can recognise me via facial recognition and/or fingerprint. My genes can be sequenced as a method of uniquely identifying me to a far higher degree of accuracy and robustness than RFID could mange.

The issue isn't being uniquely identifiable by a sophisticated computer as that is already the case for all of us without the need for any implant. The issue is about storing databases that identify and track people and their behavior illegally and this issue is dealt with by society rather than technology, e.g. through GDPR.

It certainly could be, at or as an additional few seconds task at that time.
Again it's nothing sophisticated, nothing large, nor powered (in the traditional computing sense).

The largest program calls for 'persistant, birth-to-death digital ID', which implies placement at time of birth.

This is a new 'type' of biometrics, along with a blockchain UID (unique code/serial), it can also contain a basic data string of any/all older more unreliable biometrics.
But this is secondary.

The digital signature, readable from 30meters(+) is the primary identifier.
As it's organically embedded, perhaps it can also pull data from it's environment also (genes/dna/biorthytms etc).

Your phone can also be very easily hacked, re-using your fingerprint retreived from a glass, or scale photo print.
It can also be lost, or removed in the blink of an eye or simply run out of juice at a crucial time.

Even the very latest FRS (street facial cameras) can be easily overloaded and/or rendered useless.
Gait algorithms can be tricked, and fingerprints denied. Sunglasses worn and voices distorted.

Including a RFID, verified by cloud & blockchain per each read, and those flawed older biometrics suddenly become more useful as additional 2nd rate verfications.

Yes it can be rolled out, simply by showing it's 'usefulness', or for harder persuasion, there may be in future denial of services without it.

3,000 folks in Sweden choose to pay for it themselves as a 'convience'.
Millions already place active audio network recording devices in their homes as 'convience'.
And the US company's employees opt-in for it in their hands, perhaps to be seen as 'good emplyees' and open to promotions.
None were forced, it was a 'convience'.

smacl · 27-03-2020 10:08am

Nearly all forms of ID, including RFID, can be forged or spoofed though once you use them in combination this becomes more difficult. The point is, this isn't a problem of technology so much as how we choose to apply it as a society. Specifically who can access information that identifies us as being at a given location at a given time, and what actions cause us to waive our right to be anonymous? It is an interesting topic for sure but not one that I think has any relevance to the Christianity forum.

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-03-2020 1:51pm

smacl wrote: »

Nearly all forms of ID, including RFID, can be forged or spoofed though once you use them in combination this becomes more difficult. The point is, this isn't a problem of technology so much as how we choose to apply it as a society. Specifically who can access information that identifies us as being at a given location at a given time, and what actions cause us to waive our right to be anonymous? It is an interesting topic for sure but not one that I think has any relevance to the Christianity forum.

In which case, maybe you could ask any printers of the big book to completely erase this section (and all assosicate bits) on the next re-print:
Revelation 13:16

And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

Fictional or not (not important), as it bears a remarkable, strong resemblance to the (existing, and proposed) technology, that allows 3,500 people in Sweden (and many corporates in the US) to buy their coffee and lunch with a wave of their RFID embedded right hand, and/or secondary biometric validation using forehead scan (Iris scan).

You could say it's far, far more realistic than e.g. the book of Genesis (or others), which claims full creation (without proof of concept), within a bunch of days, and bypasses the small matter of the dinosaurs and natural geology.

Proposals are for validation to use the latest blockchain technology, if you think that's easily 'spoofed', 'forged', maybe knock out an aul fake BTC (coin) farm, with a spare i7 Dell tower, for some real easy and quick monies.

As Joseph Goebbels used to say "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

harrylittle · 17-05-2020 11:52pm

another video updating where we are currently with the mark of the beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eCu-YHmao

Indian82 · 18-05-2020 7:46pm

Ferajacka wrote: »

I personally cannot wait for the chip to be introduced, it'll make it easier to travel, pay for things and track all medical and revenue records.Now if this is the mark of the beast as "predicted" 2000 years ago I find this facinating that people of that time could have insight into such technologies that might come in, years later.

I am not looking forward to the chip. End times aside, it also makes it easier for the state/govt to track EVERYTHING about us.

4068ac1elhodqr · 18-05-2020 8:04pm

Small update on the concept of chips, nanobots 'nonsense' etc, as some sort of tracking (processing) technology insertion.
None of this will no longer be required (nor any other type of processing or radio frequency emitting inserts).

Although it's been around for over 5yrs, only heard of it last month: (Quantum Dot Tattoo).
This is a game changer, superseeding RFID etc.
It's in essence, a simple small tattoo, but can also function as a unique digital identifier.
Is also perfect for scanning (like a bar code, from distance), and has further enhancement potential.

Yes, USPatents already exist for it (no need to ask who's behind it), along side another similar enhancement patent (again take a guess), for the body to actually self-process blockchain payments (buy and sell more securely).

So regardless of whatever is in the Bible (even if that is pure coincidence), there now is the viability to use this new technology (QDT) as a primary DigitalID (identifier).

It's also perfectly suitable (as subtle vaccine combination) for the 7bn (v1) doses of the wuflu vaccine to be rolled out with the next year or so.
It will be billed as a simple 'immunity certificate' (more reliable than messing out with smart phone bluetooth) but has greater end use potential, than just this 'certification'.

antiskeptic · 19-05-2020 8:29pm

jmreire wrote: »

If you believe in God, then it's possible, so it very much depends on the individual. Personally, I want nothing to do with imbedded chips, We are controlled enough as it is without our every move and action being monitored.. and what will happen when they will not only monitor what you are thinking, but can control that too????

What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-05-2020 8:45pm

antiskeptic wrote: »

What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?

As shown in the recent BT smartphone 'tracking' experiment over on the IOW, less than 50% uptake, some dowloaded it twice, some were dual-location resident. And likely many that had the hardware capability, forgot to stick their smartphone in their front pocket, or have BT-enabled (battery drainer).

In short, it's unreliable and non-persistant.

Unlike the current best alternative (which btw, isn't even a proper 'chip embodiment') which is shown to be very, very persistant and very, very unique.

harrylittle · 19-05-2020 11:22pm

antiskeptic wrote: »

What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?

well for one when you don't want to be tracked you can leave your phone or devise at home. if its in your hand they can track your every movement.

harrylittle · 02-06-2020 11:57pm

a good video on how the covid 19 brings us another step closer to the mark of the beast [URL="http:////www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnk6BR5dSw"]http:////www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnk6BR5dSw[/URL]

looksee · 08-06-2020 9:21am

jmreire wrote: »

The biblical definition of the Nr "666"

According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea. (Revelation 13:1, 17, 18) This beast is a symbol of the worldwide political system, which rules over “every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7) The name 666 identifies the political system as a gross failure in God’s sight.

So it may not mean Natural or Irrational Nrs in that sense. But as the above implies...anyone who does not have the mark of the beast either on his hand of his forehead.....will not be able to buy or sell of do any kind of transaction.. The Chinese are well on the way to having this ( but without the religious context ( actually... at the present moment in time, they are trying to obliterate ALL traces of religion....and not only amonst the Uighurs ( Muslims) but Christian communities too.) Google " Chinese Electronic Surveilence on it's Citizens" Makes for some very interesting ( and frightening) scenario's. This also fits in with the Biblical prophesy....." From the eternal sea he arises...with an army on either shore, turning Man against his brother, until man exists no more. "
We live in interesting times.....

If the Bible states that '666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea' why do you then go on to say it is a symbol of something? If the Bible says it is so, how can you then adjust it to being a symbol? The Bible makes definitive statements about God and Jesus and angels, are they also symbols? Of what? How do you decide which bits of the Bible are symbolic and which are fact?

smacl · 08-06-2020 2:17pm

looksee wrote: »

Of what? How do you decide which bits of the Bible are symbolic and which are fact?

The bits that don't directly support your narrative, or are easily contradicted, are symbolic, the rest is apparently fact :P

As we've seen with Trump recently, the bible is frequently and unscrupulously used as a prop by many to support their own agenda.

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-06-2020 3:11pm

This is most likely a bit of humour/jest/banter from the Gates/Microsoft lads, for their future blockchain embodiment payments system.
But could also be a random fluke. Anyhoe, here she is, and a jolly spiffing patent, is it not?

WO2020060606
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

(blockchain embodiment payments system, uses bodily energy e.g. blood gloucouse etc, to pay for goods and services)

smacl · 08-06-2020 3:53pm

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

This is most likely a bit of humour/jest/banter from the Gates/Microsoft lads, for their future blockchain embodiment payments system.
But could also be a random fluke. Anyhoe, here she is, and a jolly spiffing patent, is it not?

WO2020060606
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

(blockchain embodiment payments system, uses bodily energy e.g. blood gloucouse etc, to pay for goods and services)

Firstly, I see no connection to Gates or Microsoft in your linked document. Secondly, this isn't a blockchain embodiment payments system, it is an alternative proof of work mechanism for cryptocurrency mining. So jolly spiffing and all that but factually incorrect on both counts. I'm also at a loss to see what any of this has to do with Christianity and would suggest re-posting it on either the Crypocurrency or Conspiracy theories forums.

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-06-2020 4:03pm

smacl wrote: »

Firstly, I see no connection to Gates or Microsoft in your linked document. Secondly, this isn't a blockchain embodiment payments system, it is an alternative proof of work mechanism for cryptocurrency mining. So jolly spiffing and all that but factually incorrect on both counts. I'm also at a loss to see what any of this has to do with Christianity and would suggest re-posting it on either the Crypocurrency or Conspiracy theories forums.

Hello? Welcome to reality.

Application filed by Microsoft Technology Licensing, Llc. 2020-03-26. Publication of WO2020060606A1

Is cryptocurrency mining and blockchain processing the same side a two faced coin, that of digital wallets.

Also, isn't there the small matter in the bible of using (hand/head) i.e. embodiments for the buying of services and goods, or did you miss this part?

Naturally, an in-body self secured digital wallet would be the ideal candidate for this. Two-stage verification along with e.g. Blockchain payment processing (much like bitcoin) would be totally secure and viable.

08-06-2020 4:33pm

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

Small update on the concept of chips, nanobots 'nonsense' etc, as some sort of tracking (processing) technology insertion.
None of this will no longer be required (nor any other type of processing or radio frequency emitting inserts).

Although it's been around for over 5yrs, only heard of it last month: (Quantum Dot Tattoo).
This is a game changer, superseeding RFID etc.
It's in essence, a simple small tattoo, but can also function as a unique digital identifier.
Is also perfect for scanning (like a bar code, from distance), and has further enhancement potential.

Yes, USPatents already exist for it (no need to ask who's behind it), along side another similar enhancement patent (again take a guess), for the body to actually self-process blockchain payments (buy and sell more securely).

So regardless of whatever is in the Bible (even if that is pure coincidence), there now is the viability to use this new technology (QDT) as a primary DigitalID (identifier).

It's also perfectly suitable (as subtle vaccine combination) for the 7bn (v1) doses of the wuflu vaccine to be rolled out with the next year or so.
It will be billed as a simple 'immunity certificate' (more reliable than messing out with smart phone bluetooth) but has greater end use potential, than just this 'certification'.

You missed the best bit! The enzyme used for the tattoo ink is called luciferus

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-06-2020 6:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You missed the best bit! The enzyme used for the tattoo ink is called luciferus

Very good observation, and fully correct.

The QDT may (in future) function as a passive antenna, as contains copper elements (condutive) along with polymers, the inks are also excitable (glow and fluorescent under both iRed and UV (for easier distance read/scanability).

We can assume this 'luciferus' enzyme, along with the patent suffic of WO2020060606A1, is either

a) Sour humour
b) Fluke or random coincidence
c) Something else symbolic indicative towards it's ultimate purpose.

Goldengirl · 08-06-2020 6:51pm

I am absolutely amazed that people seem to think that this chip technology may be connected somehow with end of days or the beast?
Crazy , batsxxt stuff here!

If it was "the mark '' do you not think there would be something in the terms and conditions ,that would indicate you have to use it for evil? ðŸ™„

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-06-2020 7:01pm

Goldengirl wrote: »

I am absolutely amazed that people seem to think that this chip technology

Is not a 'chip technology.

Do your own factual research on quantum dot tattoos, (simply data marks, that use micro needles to store data strings, and perhaps act as potential passive antennas).
Not chips nor processors, ok?

Goldengirl wrote: »

may be connected somehow with end of days or the beast?
Crazy , batsxxt stuff here!

I know what you mean, we've only had a global pandemic, and biblical locust plague(s) across eastern Africa, stretching up to China. Will wait for the earthquakes in unusal places, and signs from the skies before any further judgement on this CT.

Goldengirl wrote: »

If it was "the mark '' do you not think there would be something in the terms and conditions ,that would indicate you have to use it for evil? ��

Agree, and Mr Adolf might have just been 'misunderstood' in his desire to tattoo stamp his captive subjects, maybe he wanted to care for their welfare better, using a unique identifiers (subject:power/control) tools or apparatus.

antiskeptic · 08-06-2020 11:26pm

smacl wrote: »

I think it is one for the human rights groups to come to terms with and build on. Rights to privacy and anonymity are still quite new ground, which is where this whole GDPR thing is rearing its head. Personally, I'm also of the opinion that sentient AI isn't that far off either which makes for a whole new ethical kettle of fish. Scary to some extent but also fascinating.

Are cows sentient? Big Mac anyone?

Who do you think are going to develop sentient AI? Corporations.

Corporations give a toss about ethics? Ask your local, friendly most-adulterated-form-of-protein-there-is, cannibal chicken..

4068ac1elhodqr · 11-06-2020 2:36pm

Again, likely nothing, but follows on the same theme as:

- QDT luciferus enzyme,
- Patent suffix of WO2020060606A1

We now have the:
(US)Bill 'H.R. 6666' (but has spare six) 'The COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act'
Essentialy CDC offering grants (from budget $100billion, this year) to trace, monitor and/or quarantine suspected COVID19 infected individuals.

Take your pick: a) Humour by using assigned values b) Fluke and/or random coincidence c) Something else symbolic.

As far as AI (leading to sentient levels), or tech processing as someone mentioned.
Many standard 4/8GB blocks of DDR3/4 RAM etc, are happy run defualt/max bandwidth of 666MHz, or 1332~ dual channel.

smacl · 11-06-2020 3:15pm

Moved from Christianity forum to Conspiracy Theories forum. For those continuing this discussion, please take a moment to read the local charter.

Ipso · 11-06-2020 4:16pm

In the history of wrongness, has there ever been a topic but this that people have been more wrong on? The antichrist has supposedly been coming for the last 2,000 years.

Overheal · 11-06-2020 5:41pm

Ipso wrote: »

In the history of wrongness, has there ever been a topic but this that people have been more wrong on? The antichrist has supposedly been coming for the last 2,000 years.

Hillary getting locked up?

da_miser · 11-06-2020 8:38pm

I have found it, the mark of the beast

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Overheal · 12-06-2020 12:57am

IMHO, the next “mark of the beast” is GPS monitors for parolees; they will get rid of prisons for most offenders and just simply incriminate entire neighborhoods subversively. Then you consider the 13th amendment in the United States, and it’s exception for prison labor, and that already corporations directly profit off prison labor now.. imagine if this trend were to occur over a decade? And inmates cannot vote. And the DOJ will always know where every potential insurgent is, with the potential for surveillance add ins being extreme.

the purple tin · 12-06-2020 1:27am

da_miser wrote: »

I have found it, the mark of the beast

Megaman is the Anti-Christ :eek: Who knew?

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-06-2020 1:40am

Overheal wrote: »

IMHO, the next “mark of the beast” is GPS monitors for parolees; they will get rid of prisons for most offenders and just simply incriminate entire neighborhoods subversively. Then you consider the 13th amendment in the United States, and it’s exception for prison labor, and that already corporations directly profit off prison labor now.. imagine if this trend were to occur over a decade? And inmates cannot vote. And the DOJ will always know where every potential insurgent is, with the potential for surveillance add ins being extreme.

GPS monitors? This sound very, very, very, very old school. There's a whole world of latest tech wizardry out there which would laugh it's pants off hard at decade(s) old bulky, slow, limited, technology such as this.

Besides prison labour, while on the increase via privatisation (US only, not even a global factor) is best kept confined where you can ring a bell at the end of lunch break to get them all back on the machine or assembly line at once, and their bunks means zero commute time.

Besides if you were to look at the source of this 'MOTB' concept (the forum it was actually kicked out of... for some reason).

The extract is fairly specific that a two-stage embodiment verification process is required, and involves service/product procurement, not labour.

da_miser · 12-06-2020 1:55am

Any government that tries to put a permanent mark on it citizens will be met with a vicious Christian revival, it would ignite a fire of Christianity that would engulf the entire western world, the Crusades would be back on the menu.
Have you seen Archbishop Viganò’s letter to Trump?
He all but in name , names (them)!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270842639903006720

Overheal · 12-06-2020 1:56am

the purple tin wrote: »

Megaman is the Anti-Christ :eek: Who knew?

Not man... but machine... still comes back to life and warps to the sky. Seems legit.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 2:01am

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

GPS monitors? This sound very, very, very, very old school. There's a whole world of latest tech wizardry out there which would laugh it's pants off hard at decade(s) old bulky, slow, limited, technology such as this.

Besides prison labour, while on the increase via privatisation (US only, not even a global factor) is best kept confined where you can ring a bell at the end of lunch break to get them all back on the machine or assembly line at once, and their bunks means zero commute time.

Besides if you were to look at the source of this 'MOTB' concept (the forum it was actually kicked out of... for some reason).

The extract is fairly specific that a two-stage embodiment verification process is required, and involves service/product procurement, not labour.

Mods in Christianity felt the thread evolved into a thread that discussed more modern and future probable outcomes, and less so theological and ecumenical matters. I approved the move via PM to relieve them of concerns.

Doesn’t have to be straight GPS but can also incorporate cellular features. The idea is twofold that the company that makes the bracelet charges a convict a rental fee on the equipment. Even if it’s not something that reminiscent of a servitude shackle, it will bear all the required functionality of such.

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-06-2020 2:29am

Overheal wrote: »

Mods in Christianity felt the thread evolved into a thread that discussed more modern and future probable outcomes, and less so theological and ecumenical matters. I approved the move via PM to relieve them of concerns.

Doesn’t have to be straight GPS but can also incorporate cellular features. The idea is twofold that the company that makes the bracelet charges a convict a rental fee on the equipment. Even if it’s not something that reminiscent of a servitude shackle, it will bear all the required functionality of such.

Not being clever, but GPS/celluar is very 1980s (high redundancy and inefficient), also letting incarnates out is simply a very big private/public policy no, no.

Suggest a crash course in progress of technologies since 1980, esp the recent works of hundreds of various patents knocked out via MIT and so on.

Even the $2 cheap, effective, simple, covider tracking bracelets (currently in use) by many more authoritarian states avail of BT beacons, passive (unpowered) antennas, simple relays and so on. This is even before considering IOT, AI, NanoTech, the G's and other scanning modals or frequencies. All of which poo stright across ye olde GPS watches/clogs.

Also... the 'NOTB' is directly orignated, sourced, quoted and relative to the big book known as the bible. It has no other citation AFAIK. Perhaps an old IronMaiden song, which anyway re-referenced the religious book.

Using modern interpretation of such a human number (in 2020 afterall), there are modern insights, and of course the global, interactive, UGC information knowledge base system: l'internet, which greatly assist it's interpretation capabilities.

But that all must be... yes, nastly conspiracies.

Cheerful Spring2 · 12-06-2020 3:13am

Ipso wrote: »

In the history of wrongness, has there ever been a topic but this that people have been more wrong on? The antichrist has supposedly been coming for the last 2,000 years.

When you read the UFO lore information and Vedic lore and some Greek lore, it’s even wilder than that and our history all imagined?

Wait for it and grip onto your hat, Ipso.

One such story in the UFO community is the Earth according to an Alien person (grey) who survived the Roswell UFO crash revealed this when captured to a nurse, who then later revealed the story in her later life?

Story goes, All Humans live here are stuck on a prison planet and has been the case for millions of years. Different aliens from elsewhere through the ages (long past) have dumped the untouchables here to live in the physical world. No human or animal is from this earth we from different planets and the reason we all look different in color, shape, and features is we came from somewhere else.

Some races of aliens have dumped the bad and good all together on this planet. Criminals and geniuses and artists and so on you name it all send here when there no more purpose for them long ago. Everything that needs to be invented has already been achieved and done so by the most advanced aliens.
According to the Roswell alien they have been battling an ancient race to free humans from the prison planet for hundreds of thousands of years and the beat that other race in our solar system only a hundreds of years ago.

However according to the story there is a problem
The afterlife is actually a construct of an ancient civilization that ruled in our universe in the past and they used it to keep us the untouchables on the planet trapped through reincarnation. They’re no such thing as gods, us humans are actually gods, and can live without a body because of our soul. This ancient civilization created this prison system to trap us in a physical body forever.

Only time we can leave is when the everyone becomes enlightened to our true origins and past.The Pyramids and ancient sites are part of the construct to fool us into believing we have a past here and nowhere else.

Our memories are constantly wiped when we die and we are send back. The pyramids and other structures belong to this ancient totalitarian civilization and were build long ago to exist alongside the controlling prison tech system and give us the impression we belong here.
The religions of the earth were also created by this ancient race who created the prison system on earth. According to the Roswell alien they have not completely broke the prison system, they have not found all the tech sites in the solar system, but its weakened, and humans are becoming more enlightened in last few hundred years and made advancements in technology.

Dohnjoe · 12-06-2020 11:35am

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

Not being clever, but GPS/celluar is very 1980s (high redundancy and inefficient), also letting incarnates out is simply a very big private/public policy no, no.

Suggest a crash course in progress of technologies since 1980, esp the recent works of hundreds of various patents knocked out via MIT and so on.

Even the $2 cheap, effective, simple, covider tracking bracelets (currently in use) by many more authoritarian states avail of BT beacons, passive (unpowered) antennas, simple relays and so on. This is even before considering IOT, AI, NanoTech, the G's and other scanning modals or frequencies. All of which poo stright across ye olde GPS watches/clogs.

Also... the 'NOTB' is directly orignated, sourced, quoted and relative to the big book known as the bible. It has no other citation AFAIK. Perhaps an old IronMaiden song, which anyway re-referenced the religious book.

Using modern interpretation of such a human number (in 2020 afterall), there are modern insights, and of course the global, interactive, UGC information knowledge base system: l'internet, which greatly assist it's interpretation capabilities.

But that all must be... yes, nastly conspiracies.

It's a fixation with tracking technology based on religious beliefs. Nothing new on conspiracy forums.

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-06-2020 1:56pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a fixation with tracking technology based on religious beliefs. Nothing new on conspiracy forums.

Eh? If anything the source of the beast/666 concept is very far from new, has been around 2,000yrs or so.

Also does not mention tracking nor even technology (the wheel wasn't long invented back then).
But alas, would not expect you to realise this simple matter.

While it's an ancient prediction (of sorts), it's only really in the last decade (or less), that the means (via technology) and procedures have actually existed for the 1st time, which can actually fulfill this.

Sure while thousands in Sweden & US can now use a quick wave of their right hand as of now, to purchase goods and services. And the (staff-less) Amazon stores use (only) facial scans for their entire fulfilment process. These still both do not fully match the concept.

However, the very first patterns of using (both) after 2,000yrs:
For i) the scan of hands with ii) the scan of heads as (two-stage, thus more secure) verification. We can simply look at some of id2020's active pilot schemes e.g. on the streets of San Antonio, which allows many homeless there to access foodbanks and social services. This two-stage process (head/hand{or arm}) ID'ing will likely be seen much more, very shortly.

Dohnjoe · 12-06-2020 2:09pm

Callie Billions Author wrote: »

Eh? If anything the source of the beast/666 concept is very far from new, has been around 2,000yrs or so.

Also does not mention tracking nor even technology (the wheel wasn't long invented back then).
But alas, would not expect you to realise this simple matter.

While it's an ancient prediction (of sorts), it's only really in the last decade (or less), that the means (via technology) and procedures have actually existed for the 1st time, which can actually fulfill this.

Sure while thousands in Sweden & US can now use a quick wave of their right hand as of now, to purchase goods and services. And the (staff-less) Amazon stores use (only) facial scans for their entire fulfilment process. These still both do not fully match the concept.

However, the very first patterns of using (both) after 2,000yrs:
For i) the scan of hands with ii) the scan of heads as (two-stage, thus more secure) verification. We can simply look at some of id2020's active pilot schemes e.g. on the streets of San Antonio, which allows many homeless there to access foodbanks and social services. This two-stage process (head/hand{or arm}) ID'ing will likely be seen much more, very shortly.

Over the years there have been several religious style posters in these conspiracy forums obsessed with tracking technology. It's always the same theme.

mark of the beast

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