Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

Dtp1979 · 20-03-2016 8:59pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Best of luck.

Don't worry about the nerves, everyone gets them.

For most of us its not natural to get out and fight another individual, putting all we've learned on the line.

Your nerves are just a mix of a small bit of fear and a larger mix of excitement but its hard to works.

Fair play to you for registering for competition, a lot of people defeat themselves long before any competition by giving into their nerves and never fighting.

Pre fight nerves is a good topic, probably deserves a separate thread as it can be pretty personal to an individual who may be very reluctant to talk about it to his club mates, family or even his coach.

Last time I fought I was almost vomiting the day before, luckily enough I've some very good support and people I can call on but a lot of lads don't have that.

If anyone wishes to discuss pre fight nerves a new thread would be brilliant.

That'd be interesting. Start a thread and see how it goes

arybvtcw0eolkf · 20-03-2016 10:00pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Start a thread and see how it goes

I'm too nervous, you do it

Dtp1979 · 20-03-2016 10:20pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

I'm too nervous, you do it

Can't. Nerves get the better of me. Which reminds me of a story I should tell, except I've nowhere to tell it

cletus · 21-03-2016 12:16am

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Best of luck.

Don't worry about the nerves, everyone gets them.

For most of us its not natural to get out and fight another individual, putting all we've learned on the line.

Your nerves are just a mix of a small bit of fear and a larger mix of excitement but its hard to works.

Fair play to you for registering for competition, a lot of people defeat themselves long before any competition by giving into their nerves and never fighting.

Pre fight nerves is a good topic, probably deserves a separate thread as it can be pretty personal to an individual who may be very reluctant to talk about it to his club mates, family or even his coach.

Last time I fought I was almost vomiting the day before, luckily enough I've some very good support and people I can call on but a lot of lads don't have that.

If anyone wishes to discuss pre fight nerves a new thread would be brilliant.

Tito Ortiz actually vomited before every fight

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-03-2016 1:37am

cletus wrote: »

Tito Ortiz actually vomited before every fight

I know a few lads who get it from both ends for a full 24 hours before a competition.

I really do think this topic deserves a thread (not that it can't be discussed here, but the discussion here was moving at a nice pace anyhow.

Well my last one (it was Judo and I needed the last ten points for my black belt), I was a bag of nerves the day before and in fact I barely slept for the previous 48 hours.

I went through every scenario in my head, but most importantly I concentrated on how I thought I'd win, I barely thought of nothing else.

When the moment came I banged it in, and BAM I got the win.

I'm not joking when I say it was like winning a world championship. I cried, I laughed. I was afraid to wear my news acquired black belt in case it wasn't real ~ it was seriously the best moment of my martial arts journey.

But the nerves the night before I'll never forget, I've never experienced anything like it.

Like I said earlier, nerves and fears can be very private to an individual and I was lucky I'd some excellent friends & team mates to ring and chat with ~ but some lads feel they have no one or they're not comfortable admitting they're experiencing nerves and fears.

Subcomandante Marcos · 23-03-2016 10:59pm

Just a heads up lads and ladies.

Was caught on the hop today and somehow forgot to pack a rash guard for no gi tonight so I ran into penny's and grabbed one of their €8 Base Layers, and I actually really liked it.

They have really cheap looking €5 ones and much nicer looking and feeling €8 ones. I'll probably mostly use it under my gi from now on but would have no problems using it for no gi either.

Mellor · 25-03-2016 2:49am

Onnit invational, no-gi tourney, streaming for free right now

https://www.onnit.com/live

Simply Red · 25-03-2016 3:24am

Watching it here, cant believe how technical she is for a 13 year old, amazing, the transition from being mounted to calf slicer was slick.

Mellor · 25-03-2016 4:11am

Year, for 13, she was moving like a high level purple belt. But'll be 2-3 years before she's eligible for a purple belt
The two girls got $250 each for fight of the night.

Mellor · 25-03-2016 5:43am

Mellor wrote: »

...suplex to RNC...

Simply Red · 25-03-2016 12:56pm

Full event available here to watch

agent graves · 27-03-2016 11:26pm

on the hygiene side of bjj,, do ye just use normal shower gel or have any of ye bought antifungal/antibacterial stuff? if yes, what is it and is it any good? i throw a few drops of tea tree oil into my shower gel but thinking of something like armbar soap..

Mellor · 28-03-2016 3:34am

I use tree tea shampoo. It's for hair, but I figure it's a decent anti-bacterial soap.
I also have some a shower gel branded specific for grapplers. I haven't tried it yet though. I got it for free from a sponsor at a comp a few months ago. Typically, it was only a few days after I bought the tea tree stuff.

28-03-2016 8:18am

Obviously it'll be mostly positive answers but what would yous say to a fat **** in their late 20s thinking of getting into BJJ? Back in the day when I was already a fat **** I never lost a fair fight because I would use my weight to get it to the ground. Just wondering if someone as out of shape as me (seriously, I'd need a doctor's note before a gym would let me in :P ) should bother with it.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-03-2016 8:37am

agent graves wrote: »

on the hygiene side of bjj,, do ye just use normal shower gel or have any of ye bought antifungal/antibacterial stuff? if yes, what is it and is it any good? i throw a few drops of tea tree oil into my shower gel but thinking of something like armbar soap..

A hot shower and gel/soap for me.

I just read the 'armbar soap' website and if anyone buys into that bullsh*t they're bloody gobshites.

Mellor · 28-03-2016 9:10am

Armbar are chasing the shoyoroll business model. Make everything limited edition and put the price up. :cool:
Coconut, acai, etc will all do nothing I'd imagine. It's the soap part that's important.

qwerticus · 28-03-2016 9:27am

Check out Dr. Bronner soaps, found in health food shops.

I find the tea tree version to be good.

TitianGerm · 28-03-2016 9:41am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Obviously it'll be mostly positive answers but what would yous say to a fat **** in their late 20s thinking of getting into BJJ? Back in the day when I was already a fat **** I never lost a fair fight because I would use my weight to get it to the ground. Just wondering if someone as out of shape as me (seriously, I'd need a doctor's note before a gym would let me in :P ) should bother with it.

Guy in my club started the same time as me. He was around 100kg starting out and couldn't do a lap of the mats at the start of class.

He's down to 70kg now and had a few cage fights.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 28-03-2016 9:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously it'll be mostly positive answers but what would yous say to a fat **** in their late 20s thinking of getting into BJJ? Back in the day when I was already a fat **** I never lost a fair fight because I would use my weight to get it to the ground. Just wondering if someone as out of shape as me (seriously, I'd need a doctor's note before a gym would let me in :P ) should bother with it.

Well lets be honest about it, you're not going to get skinny thinking about it!.

Seriously, get your doc's clearance and give it a try.

BJJ is low impact and low on injuries.

No matter how fit you are coming into BJJ you're going to gas for a while, its just the person not relaxing and training very tense and with strength all the time.

With time you'll learn to use technique more, that as well as your 'mat' fitness improving you won't struggle so much.

Give it a go, you've nothing to lose and only everything to gain.

agent graves · 28-03-2016 10:09am

Deleted User wrote: »

Obviously it'll be mostly positive answers but what would yous say to a fat **** in their late 20s thinking of getting into BJJ? Back in the day when I was already a fat **** I never lost a fair fight because I would use my weight to get it to the ground. Just wondering if someone as out of shape as me (seriously, I'd need a doctor's note before a gym would let me in :P ) should bother with it.

if you want to lose weight and get fit then its definitely a great choice.. I was in an very active job but then changed so my fitness went down, so I tried normal working out and running and I hated it.. i found it so tedious and boring... so i tried bjj and its amazing tbh.. def try it at least once..

Mellor · 28-03-2016 10:54am

Go for it asap, you'll regret time you waste deciding.

Zero-Cool · 30-03-2016 2:35pm

Thinking of getting this book, Jiu-Jitsu University, has anyone seen it in local shops in Ireland? I saw Easons are selling it on their website but for double the price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jiu-jitsu-University-Saulo-Ribeiro/dp/0981504434

Zero-Cool · 30-03-2016 2:46pm

Also, just noticed the Polaris prologue episodes out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzjL7FFwFac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60_eqRwttsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQWkg00Ch9k

Chairman Meow · 30-03-2016 4:58pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Well lets be honest about it, you're not going to get skinny thinking about it!.

Seriously, get your doc's clearance and give it a try.

BJJ is low impact and low on injuries.

No matter how fit you are coming into BJJ you're going to gas for a while, its just the person not relaxing and training very tense and with strength all the time.

With time you'll learn to use technique more, that as well as your 'mat' fitness improving you won't struggle so much.

Give it a go, you've nothing to lose and only everything to gain.

Is it really low on injuries? Maybe i got unlucky or just went to a **** gym (not naming any names). But i did a few months of traditional JJ last year and managed to get bruised ribs from the instructor basically kneeling on my chest, and had pain when swallowing for months after RNC practice. Also had some girl who didnt cut her fingernails almost claw my eye out.

Im 3 weeks into training at a new gym now and so far all ive had is the soreness the morning after a good session so hopefully itll stay that way for a while.

But yeah to anyone looking to get fit or just learn a new skill BJJ is awesome. Youll sweat you god damn ass off, i never trained in full Gi til i joined this gym, its like doing Cardio in a sauna

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-03-2016 7:31pm

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Is it really low on injuries? Maybe i got unlucky or just went to a **** gym (not naming any names). But i did a few months of traditional JJ last year and managed to get bruised ribs from the instructor basically kneeling on my chest, and had pain when swallowing for months after RNC practice. Also had some girl who didnt cut her fingernails almost claw my eye out.

Im 3 weeks into training at a new gym now and so far all ive had is the soreness the morning after a good session so hopefully itll stay that way for a while.

But yeah to anyone looking to get fit or just learn a new skill BJJ is awesome. Youll sweat you god damn ass off, i never trained in full Gi til i joined this gym, its like doing Cardio in a sauna

A bit of newbie soreness isn't usually an injury.

Someone not cutting their nails are just manky fookers and you should have pointed this out to the instructor.

You never done traditional JJ in a Gi?.

Clive · 31-03-2016 9:03pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Thinking of getting this book, Jiu-Jitsu University, has anyone seen it in local shops in Ireland? I saw Easons are selling it on their website but for double the price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jiu-jitsu-University-Saulo-Ribeiro/dp/0981504434

I picked it up in Chapters a few years back, if you're in Dublin.

Zero-Cool · 31-03-2016 9:32pm

Clive wrote: »

I picked it up in Chapters a few years back, if you're in Dublin.

Not in Dublin but might check a couple locsl shops so first before getting online thanks. Do you find the book good?

TitianGerm · 31-03-2016 9:42pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Thinking of getting this book, Jiu-Jitsu University, has anyone seen it in local shops in Ireland? I saw Easons are selling it on their website but for double the price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jiu-jitsu-University-Saulo-Ribeiro/dp/0981504434

It's a long shot but have you tried ringing ECJJ? Darragh might have one or two knocking around seeing as they are affiliated to Riberio.

Subcomandante Marcos · 31-03-2016 10:20pm

Brick and mortar shops in Dublin that sell Gi?

Where are they? One on One CS seems to be closed down.

Zero-Cool · 01-04-2016 9:34am

emmetkenny wrote: »

It's a long shot but have you tried ringing ECJJ? Darragh might have one or two knocking around seeing as they are affiliated to Riberio.

Sorry, never heard of ECJJ

I take it they're in Dublin? If so, bit of a trek for me.

TitianGerm · 01-04-2016 9:48am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Sorry, never heard of ECJJ I take it they're in Dublin? If so, bit of a trek for me.

East Coast Jiu Jitsu. They are affiliated to Riberio.

Maybe send them a message on Facebook and ask if they have any in stock. They might post or bring a copy to the next competition for you.

lanciadub · 01-04-2016 9:54am

emmetkenny wrote: »

East Coast Jiu Jitsu. They are affiliated to Riberio.

Maybe send them a message on Facebook and ask if they have any in stock. They might post or bring a copy to the next competition for you.

no i don't think Darragh has any in east coast , i got mine on amazon , it was best price .
absolutely brilliant book ,well laid out and full of info .

Zero-Cool · 01-04-2016 10:14am

emmetkenny wrote: »

East Coast Jiu Jitsu. They are affiliated to Riberio.

Is that the same Darragh fighting this weekend in Polaris?

TitianGerm · 01-04-2016 10:18am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Is that the same Darragh fighting this weekend in Polaris?

Yup that's him. I've been to a fee of his Seminar and open mats and he's a great teacher and really nice guy.

He should do well in Polaris again.

Mellor · 01-04-2016 1:28pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Also, just noticed the Polaris prologue episodes out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzjL7FFwFac

Just getting to these now.
Was watching the Miyao bros rolling at the end of prologue 1, and realised that a friend of mine is in the background.
He used to train with us, now trains at fulltime at another gym nearby. And gets to travel a lot.

Zero-Cool · 01-04-2016 1:39pm

2 new episodes out. I don't know much about the guys fighting bar Palhares, Shields and a bit of Tonan but really looking forward to it.

Chairman Meow · 01-04-2016 1:42pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

A bit of newbie soreness isn't usually an injury.

Someone not cutting their nails are just manky fookers and you should have pointed this out to the instructor.

You never done traditional JJ in a Gi?.

Nah they only wore gi bottoms (no jacket) and a t-shirt. Me being the noobie i didnt even get those. Just rocked up in tracksuit bottoms and a tshirt. Left every class looking like id just been given all-over chinese burns. Surprised i didnt get staph. Another reason why im glad to have moved to a proper gym!

Newbie soreness doesnt bother me. Im used to working out and having pretty bad DOMS the next day. I was only concerned about my throat after the RNC. Had alot of discomfort when drinking afterwards for about 2-3 months. Tho i got choked in practice last night by a black belt. Thought my windpipe was gonna get crushed but despite a little soreness its not too bad today.

RoboRat · 01-04-2016 1:54pm

Thinking of getting this book, Jiu-Jitsu University, has anyone seen it in local shops in Ireland? I saw Easons are selling it on their website but for double the price.

Have it and its good but you are better getting the videos IMO, I really liked Roy Deans instructional series.

RoboRat · 01-04-2016 1:58pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Brick and mortar shops in Dublin that sell Gi?

Where are they? One on One CS seems to be closed down.

Where are you based? Royal Grappling Academy in Blanch have full stock of Wolfhound Gi's.

Mellor · 01-04-2016 2:13pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

2 new episodes out. I don't know much about the guys fighting bar Palhares, Shields and a bit of Tonan but really looking forward to it.

Eddie Cummings and Augusto Mendes should be interesting too.
They had a somewhat controversial match during last years ADCC. Mendes won on negative points, this is a rematch under sub only rules.

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Nah they only wore gi bottoms (no jacket) and a t-shirt. Me being the noobie i didnt even get those. Just rocked up in tracksuit bottoms and a tshirt. Left every class looking like id just been given all-over chinese burns. Surprised i didnt get staph. Another reason why im glad to have moved to a proper gym!

Newbie soreness doesnt bother me. Im used to working out and having pretty bad DOMS the next day. I was only concerned about my throat after the RNC. Had alot of discomfort when drinking afterwards for about 2-3 months. Tho i got choked in practice last night by a black belt. Thought my windpipe was gonna get crushed but despite a little soreness its not too bad today.

Jiu Jitsu/submission soreness, is a bit different that DOMs I find. By elbow has been killing my this week. Just won't go away for a tiny thing in training.

As for the club you were training at. I notice you said it was traditional jiu jitsu. Now I'm not making any sweeping statements about all JJJ, but some people might try to add BJJ style grappling to their class without a full grasping it the details. When the only way you know how to choke is to squeeze the crap out of something. It tends to hurt.

Subcomandante Marcos · 01-04-2016 3:40pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Where are you based? Royal Grappling Academy in Blanch have full stock of Wolfhound Gi's.

Midlands but work in the city centre so I could call out. What are the opening house?

Zero-Cool · 01-04-2016 4:09pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Have it and its good but you are better getting the videos IMO, I really liked Roy Deans instructional series.

Mostly looking for night time reading but will look up that series as well.

I just ordered the book for 29 euro from bookdepository.com. don't think id get it cheaper than that anyway.

Chairman Meow · 01-04-2016 4:25pm

Mellor wrote: »

Eddie Cummings and Augusto Mendes should be interesting too.
They had a somewhat controversial match during last years ADCC. Mendes won on negative points, this is a rematch under sub only rules.

Jiu Jitsu/submission soreness, is a bit different that DOMs I find. By elbow has been killing my this week. Just won't go away for a tiny thing in training.

As for the club you were training at. I notice you said it was traditional jiu jitsu. Now I'm not making any sweeping statements about all JJJ, but some people might try to add BJJ style grappling to their class without a full grasping it the details. When the only way you know how to choke is to squeeze the crap out of something. It tends to hurt.

I would say thats likely what that place was. Still onwards and upwards! Ive enjoyed training in the new gym. I dont think ill ever compete as im getting older now but i do love the training, learning the submissions, and the gym is full of good people. Ive loved BJJ since i first watched MMA about 7 or 8 years ago and i just lvoe getting the chance to practice al lthe stuff ive been watching for so long

TitianGerm · 01-04-2016 4:51pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Mostly looking for night time reading but will look up that series as well.

I just ordered the book for 29 euro from bookdepository.com. don't think id get it cheaper than that anyway.

BJJ Globetrotter is quite good.

Mellor · 03-04-2016 8:53am

http://mobile.twitter.com/ZProphet_MMA/status/716374422626635777

Tox56 · 03-04-2016 5:45pm

Mellor wrote: »

http://mobile.twitter.com/ZProphet_MMA/status/716374422626635777

Tonon did incredibly well for the rest of that match, hes talked about moving to MMA, would be very interested to see how that goes, exciting style and he can actually wrestle

Mellor · 03-04-2016 11:48pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Tonon did incredibly well for the rest of that match, hes talked about moving to MMA, would be very interested to see how that goes, exciting style and he can actually wrestle

Tonon did more than well, he dominated the grappling exchanges imo. Took Palhares' back twice, 10+ sub attempts, include a heelhook that had Palares grimacing in pain.
Taking nothing away from Palhares either, his high crotch and suplex showed his freak strength.

Technically a draw obviously. But I think Palhares' comments afterwards acknowledged that Garry was better on the night.

Zero-Cool · 04-04-2016 10:42am

Man those leg lecks from Tonon looked nasty, 1 in particular I thought I saw Palhares' leg bend. Great match altogether

Shields AJ match was good as well, some lovely guillotines.

Prelims had some good matches, that choke with 1 second left was class.

Do ye think it should end at a draw or go the EBI rules of each getting a go at a sub from attacking position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpoLdtUyHTM

Mellor · 04-04-2016 10:55am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Do ye think it should end at a draw or go the EBI rules of each getting a go at a sub from attacking position?

I do like the EBI ruleset. Does a good job of eliminating the awkward draw.
At the same time, it's very forced. Which is a necessity in a tourney format, but I'm not sure about single matches.

No time limit is the other option, which has the potential to be very messy.

TitianGerm · 04-04-2016 10:59am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Man those leg lecks from Tonon looked nasty, 1 in particular I thought I saw Palhares' leg bend. Great match altogether

Shields AJ match was good as well, some lovely guillotines.

Prelims had some good matches, that choke with 1 second left was class.

Do ye think it should end at a draw or go the EBI rules of each getting a go at a sub from attacking position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpoLdtUyHTM

It is disappointing they all finished in a draw and anyone who watched it who aren't involved in BJJ would find them very boring.

I think there should be some reward system for an aggressor who continues to attack to award them the win.

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