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US Presidential Election 2020

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sand wrote: »
    Texas is on track to swing majority Hispanic in 2022. Once that happens, there will never be a Republican presidency again.

    Texas will be a swing state in 2024, it may become solid Dem later. But at the same time, some of the rust belt states are becoming solid GOP.

    This plus some minor policy shifts will ensure the status quo.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Townton wrote: »
    If they stay to long in Texas the republicans might actually convince them on that. Pre covid Texas was the place to be work and business wise. And is totally run by the GOP albeit level headed ones. If there is an argument for the republican way of doing things Texas is it. They could actually win the voters over.

    Rick Perry level headed..

    And if anyone says the reason Texas did well was because of Republican politics they are lying. The reason Texas saw huge growth over last 50 years is because of a number of non political factors:

    1. Huge amount of land available thats cheap
    2. Perfect location which allows international trade and immigration
    3. Massive amount of natural resources


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Rick Perry level headed..

    And if anyone says the reason Texas did well was because of Republican politics they are lying. The reason Texas saw huge growth over last 50 years is because of a number of non political factors:

    1. Huge amount of land available thats cheap
    2. Perfect location which allows international trade and immigration
    3. Massive amount of natural resources

    I'd agree - Level headed is not something I label the Texas GOP with - See their attempts to sue the Mayor of Houston after he cancelled their convention last week.

    Texas probably won't turn blue this time around , but Trump is making it WAY closer than it should be. In normal times Texas is probably 2 to 3 election cycles away from being a legitimate target for Democrats in a Presidential election.

    They can and will make significant inroads at the state level though and probably at the House level as well.

    Texas has several of the fastest growing urban/suburban areas in the whole of the US - Places like Austin and San Antonio and the bottom line is that Urban areas tend to lean Democrat - In every State.

    Had O'Rourke not gotten a bit too big for his boots , he could have been putting massive pressure on Cornyn for a Senate seat this election .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I'd agree - Level headed is not something I label the Texas GOP with - See their attempts to sue the Mayor of Houston after he cancelled their convention last week.

    Texas probably won't turn blue this time around , but Trump is making it WAY closer than it should be. In normal times Texas is probably 2 to 3 election cycles away from being a legitimate target for Democrats in a Presidential election.

    They can and will make significant inroads at the state level though and probably at the House level as well.

    Texas has several of the fastest growing urban/suburban areas in the whole of the US - Places like Austin and San Antonio and the bottom line is that Urban areas tend to lean Democrat - In every State.

    Had O'Rourke not gotten a bit too big for his boots , he could have been putting massive pressure on Cornyn for a Senate seat this election .
    I don't think it's a good idea for somebody to go for a Senate seat two years after losing.

    Martha McSally is faring very badly doing just that in Arizona.

    I'm surprised Julian Castro didn't go for that Texas seat, he would have been a very strong candidate.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian? wrote: »
    Texas will be a swing state in 2024, it may become solid Dem later. But at the same time, some of the rust belt states are becoming solid GOP.

    This plus some minor policy shifts will ensure the status quo.

    I think Texas is likely a bit further off that that.

    Which Rust Belt states do you see becoming solid GOP? Indiana has been Red for 50+ years. For most of the rest Trump eked out wins last time and is underwater now.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I don't think it's a good idea for somebody to go for a Senate seat two years after losing.

    Martha McSally is faring very badly doing just that in Arizona.

    I'm surprised Julian Castro didn't go for that Texas seat, he would have been a very strong candidate.

    McSally is doing badly because she's very unpopular in her state and always has been. She lost an Election in a Ragingly solid Red State and was then parachuted into the seat by the Governor.

    This time around she has Quad threat
    • She's never been popular to begin with
    • People are extra ticked off that she got parachuted in after losing (The "we told you we didn't want her" effect)
    • The "Trump (un)Popularity Anchor"
    • Her opponent is a really popular guy and husband of a really popular former Rep


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    California and Texas are often seen as kind of being the yin to the others yang - the two largest EC states by a fair margin, and a complete lock for the Dems and GOP respectively that campaigning there etc is never really needed much (unless using it as a base for some national event like a major speech/rally/convention/etc). If either party ever lost either state, they could throw in the towel there and then and forget about winning the Presidency until they got said state back, or until a huge change in politics in most occurred (something we haven't seen since the 1970s).

    The Democrats are currently 1/300 to win California, with Biden currently leading there on 538's aggregator by 29.7%
    The Republicans are currently 2/5 to win Texas, with Biden now actually holding a 0.1% lead on 538's aggregator.
    That difference is staggering.

    I do still think Trump will win there, but the funding, time and effort they will need to put in is going to cost them massively in several other states, which is made even worse when you look at him losing almost every single typically 'blue' or 'purple' state he won in 2016, along with some more traditionally red ones that he either won (or lost closely) in 2016. There is absolutely no question that Texas is absolutely 'in play' right now, something which shouldn't even be worth discussing as a possibility. I had seen Biden closing the gap but only noticed when checking for this post that he had taken the lead there.

    Given that younger voters skew left, that the current younger voters in the US are definitely a generational movement at this point, are already the biggest one since the baby boomers (who are now dying off), and very importantly that Texas is the third youngest state in the nation after Alaska and Utah (and DC if we're counting it), this doesn't bode well - especially with all the Californians moving there lately.

    I read a few years ago that the best way for progressive minded people in the US to get what they want in the current system was to flood 'red' states which are often very over represented in terms of EC seats, Senate positions, etc. It looks like that is also exactly what is happening, with massive net emigration numbers not only to Texas (who have 29 EC seats), but also Arizona (11 seats), South Carolina (9), South Dakota (3), Nebraska (5), Idaho (4) and apparently rural Washington State (12)/Oregon (17 - both are blue states, but very 'red' once you leave the cities. It has already occurred in Virginia (13 who voted for Hillary and Obama twice, but had been straight GOP from 1964-2008 before that), and looks like Arizona has gone or is right on the brink of going the same way too.

    This is bad, bad news for Republicans in the medium-to-long term, and in the short too. Leaving out Washington, Oregon and Virginia, that is a total of 61 seats (74 with VA & NV) that have traditionally been easy wins for the GOP. In the 10 elections since 1980, across these 6 states there have been a total of 59 GOP wins vs 1 single Democrat one (Arizona - Clinton, 1996), and so losing them would be a swing of 122 seats (or 148 with VA) in a race to 270. And it seems the only way to (democratically) avoid this is for the GOP to move their platform to better suit 'Californian types' and younger voters - two groups they have more or less labelled 'the enemy' over the last 10+ years in an effort to rally their base. And if they go chasing that younger and more 'Californian' type of demographic, then what happens with their current base?

    538.com aggregates polls from around the country, and while it's very early days in terms of election polling so could easily change, this is what they currently look like for those states:
    Arizona - Biden up 2.4pts
    South Dakota - still awaiting polls
    South Carolina - Trump up 7.2pts
    Nebraska - Biden up by 7pts
    Idaho - still awaiting polls
    Texas - Biden up 0.1pts
    Virginia - Biden up by 11.2pts

    Obviously polls this early do not tell the whole picture, but of those 74 seats, right now Biden would pick up 58, Trump 9, with 7 from SD/ID being undecided; remove VA and it's still 45-9 in Biden's favour. Traditionally, this should be a locked in 61 seats for the GOP, or 74 with VA included, and indeed in 2016 Trump did win all of these states bar VA and pick up said 61 votes. This is a huge problem for them this year, and it's only going to get worse and worse with time. All of those states by VA (middle of the pack) and SC (15th oldest) are in the 15th youngest states in the US.

    Republican election officials would of course be well aware of this too, and the truth is that there is no way for them to keep relevant over the coming years without finding ways to stop people from voting and undermining democracy. The racist Southern Strategy reaped rewards for decades for them, but following further and further down the rabbit hole may have led them to a dead end at this point. And if their acts in congress are anything to go by, it appears that having foreign nations undermine their elections for which the GOP have massively cut protections and defenses of, is the option they have gone for.


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Townton


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Rick Perry level headed..

    And if anyone says the reason Texas did well was because of Republican politics they are lying. The reason Texas saw huge growth over last 50 years is because of a number of non political factors:

    1. Huge amount of land available thats cheap
    2. Perfect location which allows international trade and immigration
    3. Massive amount of natural resources

    And most importantly if you ask those opening and moving business there it is the ease of doing business the low and in some areas non existing taxes. I have worked and been involved with business interests there if you think the business environment that has been created there has nothing to do with their massive growth then you need to think again.

    What's also worth taking note of is the GOP are broadly even among dem voters I knew credited with this in Texas. Hence the simple flip that many will think is coming might not actually happen. But as I also said they are more will there then some think to kick out personalities they don't like so a once off to Biden is very possible I just don't see it being permanent.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There's no doubt that this election is pivotal for the medium term fortunes of the GOP.

    If the Democrats control the WH, the Senate and the House one of their priorities in that 1st 2 year window will be to progress the Statehood claims of both DC and Puerto Rico.

    If they achieve that , they will have given themselves a pretty much guaranteed 4 extra Senate seats and probably ~6 House seats at least , along with probably 5 or 6 EC votes from Puerto Rico.

    That would represent a huge swing and make regaining the Senate in particular extremely difficult for the GOP over the next several election cycles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    There's no doubt that this election is pivotal for the medium term fortunes of the GOP.

    If the Democrats control the WH, the Senate and the House one of their priorities in that 1st 2 year window will be to progress the Statehood claims of both DC and Puerto Rico.
    #1 Priority will be the replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Clarence Thomas may not be around all that much longer either, per the rumor mill (though, I think he'd let Trump choose his replacement should it come to that. My guess is he retires after the election if the #IMPOTUS loses.)

    If they achieve that , they will have given themselves a pretty much guaranteed 4 extra Senate seats and probably ~6 House seats at least , along with probably 5 or 6 EC votes from Puerto Rico.

    That would represent a huge swing and make regaining the Senate in particular extremely difficult for the GOP over the next several election cycles.

    Another guess it's probably not going to be a fast process, the state in question needs its own constitution accepted by its residents, then the Congress needs to accept it. Plus I can imagine local and national level legal wheeling and dealing by the GOP and Democratic party to ensure they get what's wanted out of the state.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Igotadose wrote: »
    #1 Priority will be the replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Clarence Thomas may not be around all that much longer either, per the rumor mill (though, I think he'd let Trump choose his replacement should it come to that. My guess is he retires after the election if the #IMPOTUS loses.)


    Another guess it's probably not going to be a fast process, the state in question needs its own constitution accepted by its residents, then the Congress needs to accept it. Plus I can imagine local and national level legal wheeling and dealing by the GOP and Democratic party to ensure they get what's wanted out of the state.

    Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

    If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

    Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

    There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well

    Interesting times..

    On the Statehood thing - I think DC would be fairly straight-forward , Puerto Rico would be a lot more controversial and harder to get done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

    If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

    Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

    There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well

    Interesting times..

    On the Statehood thing - I think DC would be fairly straight-forward , Puerto Rico would be a lot more controversial and harder to get done.

    Does McConnell want to retire, or something? Because this would directly violate their party's bleated principle of not appointing Justices in an election year. Confirming a new Justice before the election, and indeed before the next congress is sworn in, would be an irredeemable loss to the party's already stretched credibility for the foreseeable future.

    This makes Trump losing all the more interesting, if 3 Justices plan to retire in the next year. The GOP will stop at nothing now I'm afraid to ensure that they install an all-conservative bench, if they win the makeup of the court will be 6-3 conservative with Breyer not terribly far behind on the retirement front. Whereas Biden winning would mean a 6-3 democrat-appointed majority, likely with Breyer retiring early. Interesting times. I suspect we already well know Biden's first Justice pick: Merrick Garland.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    Does McConnell want to retire, or something? Because this would directly violate their party's bleated principle of not appointing Justices in an election year. Confirming a new Justice before the election, and indeed before the next congress is sworn in, would be an irredeemable loss to the party's already stretched credibility for the foreseeable future.

    This makes Trump losing all the more interesting, if 3 Justices plan to retire in the next year. The GOP will stop at nothing now I'm afraid to ensure that they install an all-conservative bench, if they win the makeup of the court will be 6-3 conservative with Breyer not terribly far behind on the retirement front. Whereas Biden winning would mean a 6-3 democrat-appointed majority, likely with Breyer retiring early. Interesting times. I suspect we already well know Biden's first Justice pick: Merrick Garland.


    No, apparently this would be "different" - something about the fact that the same party control both the Senate and WH so it would be ok and not breaking whatever rule they used the last time.

    Contrived horsesh!t of course , the man is utterly reprehensible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    McConnel has already said, with his **** eating grin that if the situation like the garland one comes up this time around in the exact same circumstances he will fill that seat. He doesn't have shame, none of the top Republicans in office do seemingly.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Townton wrote: »
    And most importantly if you ask those opening and moving business there it is the ease of doing business the low and in some areas non existing taxes. I have worked and been involved with business interests there if you think the business environment that has been created there has nothing to do with their massive growth then you need to think again.

    So why aren't companies moving to Nevada? That's got zero tax.

    Its on California's door step and no major fortune 500 company from California is moving across state lines..
    What's also worth taking note of is the GOP are broadly even among dem voters I knew credited with this in Texas. Hence the simple flip that many will think is coming might not actually happen. But as I also said they are more will there then some think to kick out personalities they don't like so a once off to Biden is very possible I just don't see it being permanent.


    Maybe the Republicans are but fact is their policies had little to do with Texas' success. You can't replicate what happened in Texas in say West Virginia.

    I agree Texas is still probably couple of decades away from going blue. While the cities like Dallas/Houston/San Antonio, Corpus, El Paso, Austin are now democratic, every other county outside the major urban centers in Texas is strongly republican.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    It's not difficult to see why Trump's campaign is not going well when they're mounting "attack" tweets like this.

    The "own", presumably, is that Biden's son is wearing a Washington Redskins cap in this photo from the 1970s, which I think is supposed to mean that Biden is a racist and Trump isn't, or something (the Washington Redskins today announced they would be dropping the Redskins name).

    Whereas any reasonable person would look at the photo and just see Biden being a doting father bringing his kids to a football match, which sort of makes him look pretty good, which is the opposite of the intended "message".

    One hopes the Trump campaign team keeps up this standard of "messaging".

    https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1282737152091197441


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    "that tweet is unavailable"

    What was tweeted, because it sounds like it may have backfired fast - even by Trump standards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    "that tweet is unavailable"

    What was tweeted, because it sounds like it may have backfired fast - even by Trump standards.
    This is it.

    Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

    I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

    Ec1LcpGX0AAqelL?format=jpg&name=large


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,305 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    This is it.

    Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

    I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

    Ec1LcpGX0AAqelL?format=jpg&name=large
    Wow that is one crappy tweet.
    Can't say I'm surprised but still....


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Cheers, I'll take a wild swing that beyond it being as impactful as bread dipped in 7up, that's possibly Bidens dead son in the photo, hence taking it down. I had looked at his general account from your initial link and yeah... some of the lower level trolls in the current events threads could even do a better job than this.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This is a total sidebar but Joe Biden has been a politician so long I have double takes when I see him a relative young man. A staple of post 2000 American politics where his image as the swaggering "silver fox" type is engrained.

    As to the tweet, yeah it's an inane one that probably seemed like a good idea for the 30 seconds prior to posting. I hadn't even realised the Redskins were still named thus, would have sworn this has come up before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    This is it.

    Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

    I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

    Ec1LcpGX0AAqelL?format=jpg&name=large
    I think there was actually a second tweet alongside that one from him saying something about hunter being a coke fiend and linked to the Chinese government, which he deleted first, before he deleted the main original tweet

    Link here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,122 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    What an utterly despicable human being.

    Christ... even if DJT wasn't loathsome, pathetic and morally bankrupt, you would say he was by the people he attracts and surrounds himself with


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

    If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

    Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

    There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well
    .

    Thomas from all accounts still adores the job so not impossible he is content to work until he is dead no matter the political scenario.

    Alito supposedly not as much these days.

    I think the GOP were hoping RBG would have died by now so they could get Barrett on the court, but looks like somehow Ruth will still be standing strong for another wee while.

    Ideally we get some sort of supreme court reform ideas ideally term limits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think there was actually a second tweet alongside that one from him saying something about hunter being a coke fiend and linked to the Chinese government, which he deleted first, before he deleted the main original tweet

    Link here

    https://twitter.com/TeamMitchMoscow/status/1282789944621228032?s=09

    yup

    Screen-Shot-2020-07-13-at-4.15.39-PM.jpg

    Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.

    "Backfire" doesn't begin to describe how badly this blew up in his face. Let's see how he directs the RNC through his rapid response to this!


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    yup

    Screen-Shot-2020-07-13-at-4.15.39-PM.jpg

    Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.

    "Backfire" doesn't begin to describe how badly this blew up in his face. Let's see how he directs the RNC through his rapid response to this!

    Awful , but typical.

    I challenge anyone to find a photo of Trump "being a father" anywhere.

    Bringing his kid to a game , at the playground , kid sitting on his shoulders etc. etc.

    Any of the standard father/child photo's that pretty much every family has.

    You won't find them.

    Biden had actually tweeted that photo along with a few others on Fathers day a while back talking about the honor of being a parent and so on.

    All this tweet does is remind people that Biden seems like a good Dad and that the Trump campaign are utterly amoral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    They must have a hard drive with photos of every democrat politician


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Another beauty of a failed "hit job" tweet from the Trump cult, this one by unhinged fire breathing shock jock Mark Levin.

    Levin tweeted a picture of a jar of medicine belonging to Barack Obama from 2008 with the text "Obama's hydroxychloroquine from 2008".

    Obama travelled to a malaria-endemic area, Afghanistan, in 2008. Chloroquine has been approved as a treatment against malaria since 1955.

    But the picture wasn't even of hydroxychloroquine, it was of Malarone, a different drug used to fight malaria.

    Levin's tweet can be summarised as: "I found a picture of a jar of pills of an entirely different drug belonging to Obama in 2008 which were used for the purpose they're meant for - which proves beyond doubt that hydroxychloroquine works in beating Covid in 2020 and that Trump was right! Total OWN!"

    These people are insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another beauty of a failed "hit job" tweet from the Trump cult, this one by unhinged fire breathing shock jock Mark Levin.

    Levin tweeted a picture of a jar of medicine belonging to Barack Obama from 2008 with the text "Obama's hydroxychloroquine from 2008".

    Obama travelled to a malaria-endemic area, Afghanistan, in 2008. Chloroquine has been approved as a treatment against malaria since 1955.

    But the picture wasn't even of hydroxychloroquine, it was of Malarone, a different drug used to fight malaria.

    Levin's tweet can be summarised as: "I found a picture of a jar of pills of an entirely different drug belonging to Obama in 2008 which were used for the purpose they're meant for - which proves beyond doubt that hydroxychloroquine works in beating Covid in 2020 and that Trump was right! Total OWN!"

    These people are insane.

    Meanwhile,

    trump-sudafed.png?resize=865,452


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    Meanwhile,

    trump-sudafed.png?resize=865,452

    Categorised as false by Snopes at least in terms of the suggestion that Trump is/was abusing Sudafed.

    However the point absolutely stands - Anyone can take a photo and try it make it tell a story..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Overheal wrote: »
    Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.
    I never knew that.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    On December 18, 1972, a few weeks after the election, Biden's wife Neilia and their one-year-old daughter Naomi were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping in Hockessin, Delaware. Neilia Biden's station wagon was hit by a tractor-trailer truck as she pulled out from an intersection.

    Biden's sons Beau and Hunter survived the accident and were taken to the hospital in fair condition, Beau with a broken leg and other wounds, and Hunter with a minor skull fracture and other head injuries. Doctors soon said both would make full recoveries.

    Biden considered resigning to care for them, but Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield persuaded him not to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Water John wrote: »
    Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan
    I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

    AOC and those like her are the future.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

    AOC and those like her are the future.

    I think she's earnest to a fault, which may make her fall harder the first time she properly Effs up but little in American politics makes me laugh more than the vitriolic annoyance she brings republicans or generally right leaning folk. She's effectively a reduction of all that annoys conservatives being a young, very attractive latina liberal from New York - and got to where she is from the ground up, paying her way. A presidential campaign between her and Ivanka Trump would be surreal, if fascinating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism.
    It's often under-appreciated how much of a pragmatist Bernie Sanders is too, despite the portrayals of him as a socialist ideologue.
    a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.
    Donald Trump is a product of the failure and corruption of both parties. A person who people put their trust in because they were so desperate.

    How likely, though, is it that the Democratic party will reform itself in light of a Biden victory?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Water John wrote: »
    Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

    That's a steep tag but we've spent more on far less, with reason to suggest the alternative of doing nothing will be vastly more expensive. Covid is a great anecdote for that: a couple billion in pandemic preparedness and short term pains would have mitigated trillions now lost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    serfboard wrote: »
    It's often under-appreciated how much of a pragmatist Bernie Sanders is too, despite the portrayals of him as a socialist ideologue.
    I think Bernie is showing himself to be a pragmatist. It's some of those who claim to support him who are not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Water John wrote: »
    Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

    Lets see how he is on the foreign policy, I know it sadly doesn't matter in America, but he is running to the right on Trump on Venezuela and seems likely to be hiring hawks from the Obama regime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,814 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Lets see how he is on the foreign policy, I know it sadly doesn't matter in America, but he is running to the right on Trump on Venezuela and seems likely to be hiring hawks from the Obama regime.

    Foreign policy doesn't matter to Trump. It matters to lots of Americans, always had, always will. As for Venezuela, Trump called Guaido "weak." Is that good foreign policy? Is it immaterial? No. And sanctioning Maduro is a good thing.

    I think Biden's first priority after economic restoration (as much as he can get started, anyway) will be to restore relationships with historical allies like the EU and re-invigorate the State Department, which was hollowed out by the likes of Tillerson and Pompeo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

    AOC and those like her are the future.


    I hate her with a passion. She's like a born again socialist.
    Would prefer Hilary for president to her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,704 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I hate her with a passion. She's like a born again socialist.
    Would prefer Hilary for president to her.

    That seems pretty unhealthy tbf

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That seems pretty unhealthy tbf
    It is. Just the sight of her face is enough to 'trigger' an unhealthy level of anger in me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,122 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I hate her with a passion. She's like a born again socialist

    Would your method of analysis which lead you to that conclusion, be the same as the one that brought you to the conclusion that "the left" would vote for Kanye because he is black?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,122 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It is. Just the sight of her face is enough to 'trigger' an unhealthy level of anger in me.

    Maybe get off social media and stop watching fox?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Would your method of analysis which lead you to that conclusion, be the same as the one that brought you to the conclusion that "the left" would vote for Kanye because he is black?


    Smartypants.
    I don't think that needs a reply.


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Maybe get off social media and stop watching fox?


    I understand you are trying to be condescending but I agree with the social media piece, sometimes a break is needed and I often delete the various apps for some headspace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It is. Just the sight of her face is enough to 'trigger' an unhealthy level of anger in me.

    Well I guess as long as you know it's more of a you issue than a her issue that's not so bad then :)

    I do have the same unhealthy seeing face hatred for some celebrities alright but can't say it applies to any particular politicians off the top of my head.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It is. Just the sight of her face is enough to 'trigger' an unhealthy level of anger in me.

    So why exactly do you hate her?

    What policies of hers do you hate?

    Is it the protecting environment one or attempting to reduce education costs or wanting to increase minimum wage or wanting to reduce healthcare costs or wanting to reduce gun deaths?

    Those are pretty much her entire platform...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    So why exactly do you hate her?

    What policies of hers do you hate?

    Is it the protecting environment one or attempting to reduce education costs or wanting to increase minimum wage or wanting to reduce healthcare costs or wanting to reduce gun deaths?

    Those are pretty much her entire platform...


    There's an element of, as Stringerbell describes it, face hatred.


    Policy wise I disagree with her avid following of the 15USD minimum wage.


    Taking her list of policies from wiki

    I disagree with her (in addition to minimum wage)on

    • implementing democratic socialism
    • gun control
    • Taxing "the rich" at 70% to pay for virtue signalling green policies
    • defunding and abolishing ICE
    • Her policy on undocumented illegals
    • Her market controls around rents and social supports
    • (obviously) her stance on Trump
    • Her stance on Israel


    I'm sure there's others. She's an archetype of the extreme left. Shrill shrieking feminist. Anti men, anti company and anti free market. Pretty much everything I stand for.





    Well I guess as long as you know it's more of a you issue than a her issue that's not so bad then :)

    I do have the same unhealthy seeing face hatred for some celebrities alright but can't say it applies to any particular politicians off the top of my head.


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    Green policies are virtue signaling? So we should just carry on with destroying the environment for generations to come..


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