US Presidential Election 2020

Itssoeasy

A poll from cbs news shows that over half of democratic voters want a candidate who can beat trump as opposed to having policies/ideas they agree with. All I can say even though it's one poll is thank **** it seems to be sinking in with them. No candidate for the democrats will be as pure as driven snow so this keeps coming up is beyond me. Donald trump is not a Normal president nor will he be a normal presidential election candidate .So democratic voters IF they want him out of office in January 2021 need to vote for the democratic nominee whoever it is in November even if it's not "your candidate" don't get the hump and stay home and then if trump does win again it'll be their fault.

Eric Cartman

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A poll from cbs news shows that over half of democratic voters want a candidate who can beat trump as opposed to having policies/ideas they agree with. All I can say even though it's one poll is thank **** it seems to be sinking in with them. No candidate for the democrats will be as pure as driven snow so this keeps coming up is beyond me. Donald trump is not a Normal president nor will he be a normal presidential election candidate .So democratic voters IF they want him out of office in January 2021 need to vote for the democratic nominee whoever it is in November even if it's not "your candidate" don't get the hump and stay home and then if trump does win again it'll be their fault.

Sadly for them I dont think anyone can topple trump in their current set. Bernie will be denied the nod , despite youth support his red credentials have no chance

O'Neill

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Sadly for them I dont think anyone can topple trump in their current set. Bernie will be denied the nod , despite youth support his red credentials have no chance

His 'red credentials' as much as FDR or John Hume? It kind of sums up how absolute f**ked up politics is atm

hotmail.com

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A poll from cbs news shows that over half of democratic voters want a candidate who can beat trump as opposed to having policies/ideas they agree with. All I can say even though it's one poll is thank **** it seems to be sinking in with them. No candidate for the democrats will be as pure as driven snow so this keeps coming up is beyond me. Donald trump is not a Normal president nor will he be a normal presidential election candidate .So democratic voters IF they want him out of office in January 2021 need to vote for the democratic nominee whoever it is in November even if it's not "your candidate" don't get the hump and stay home and then if trump does win again it'll be their fault.

This is a rather dangerous strategy given that that Biden is on record as saying that he would cut social welfare to balance the books.

I can't see working class voters in America coming out to vote for this.

markodaly

Lots of new polls coming out indicating a surge for Biden.
If he over performs and Bernie under performs its curtains for Bernie, again.

The nomination could be decided tonight and the fallout is going to be vicious.

pixelburp

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Sadly for them I dont think anyone can topple trump in their current set. Bernie will be denied the nod , despite youth support his red credentials have no chance

His brand of socialism is as "red" as FDR or many of the centrist parties in Ireland or Western Europe. Unless you're paraphrasing the presumed bias of American conservatives, calling Sanders "red" is a cheap reduction or pejorative.

Itssoeasy

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is a rather dangerous strategy given that that Biden is on record as saying that he would cut social welfare to balance the books.

I can't see working class voters in America coming out to vote for this.

Well it's one poll from one news organisation about how voters want the democratic candidate to be. The day a politician has to stick to what they said on the record will be a cold day in hell. He might have said it at some point but you can be sure he or any other politician will change like the wind if it helps them politically.

hotmail.com

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well it's one poll from one news organisation about how voters want the democratic candidate to be. The day a politician has to stick to what they said on the record will be a cold day in hell. He might have said it at some point but you can be sure he or any other politician will change like the wind if it helps them politically.

If anything I suspect he would be the type to introduce the cuts regardless if there is a downturn or not.

Working class voters can already see this. No wonder they either don't vote in gigantic numbers or side with Republicans.

rossie1977

Trump has already overseen massive social welfare cuts over psst 3 years and into the futute so any Democratic nominee will look great in comparison in this area

As far as tonight Paddy Power has Biden winning Alabama, Arkansas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Sanders winning California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Utah and Vermont

Bloomberg not close in any state really so looks disaster of a night for him.

Water John

I think some posters here are not stating a fair analysis of the election, even from their POV. Their adopting the role of disruptors and contributions are disengious.
Winning in any state gains some kudos but at the end of tonight its the overall delegate count that will matter.

Eric Cartman

pixelburp wrote: »

His brand of socialism is as "red" as FDR or many of the centrist parties in Ireland or Western Europe. Unless you're paraphrasing the presumed bias of American conservatives, calling Sanders "red" is a cheap reduction or pejorative.

Nail onthe head no.2, hes a european democratic socialist but by 2020 US standards may aswell be stalin

markodaly

Water John wrote: »

I think some posters here are not stating a fair analysis of the election, even from their POV. Their adopting the role of disruptors and contributions are disengious.
Winning in any state gains some kudos but at the end of tonight its the overall delegate count that will matter.

In fairness, Bernie needs a decisive victory tonight to seal the nomination.
Anything less than that, you will see the Democratic ranks close in on him.
He will do well in some states, like California but he needs to knock it out of the park, not just win by 5-10%.

Water John

You're setting a bar too high for Sanders, knowing he won't be at that level. There are in effect 3 Super Tuesdays. It's delegate count that drives it.
Still bet on it going to convention.

markodaly

Bad news for Bernie.

NBC's exit poll shows just 13 per cent of voters today are 18-29 years old, compared to the 29 per cent who are over 65.

Old people vote, young people dont.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

You're setting a bar too high for Sanders, knowing he won't be at that level. There are in effect 3 Super Tuesdays. It's delegate count that drives it.
Still bet on it going to convention.

A contested convention would be a disaster from the dems IMO. It would lead to hurt feelings all over the shop and voters of however many candidates are left and don't win with the hump and they won't turn out.

markodaly

Water John wrote: »

You're setting a bar too high for Sanders, knowing he won't be at that level. There are in effect 3 Super Tuesdays. It's delegate count that drives it.
Still bet on it going to convention.

Yes, I agree that it will go to the convention, but even then I cant see Bernie getting it.

I like the guy, seems like a decent egg. Some of his ideas have merit, but he is just too radical for the US at this time, nevermind his questionable views on Cuba and the Soveit Union.

Biden is a terrible candidate too mind you.
Bloomberg would do a good job in the WH, the best and smartest of the lot IMO, but by god he is dull, so that rules him out.

sid waddell

The US media keep talking about Biden standing for "character" and "decency", like Sanders or Warren don't have those.

"Character" and "decency" in the context they're used about Biden are code for "let's change nothing".

If you don't show character and decency in your policies you're at nothing.

Biden stands for milquetoast corporate "centrism", which was the problem in the first place.

The Democrats can surely do better than "Not Trump", which is all Biden is.

markodaly

sid waddell wrote: »

The Democrats can surely do better than "Not Trump", which is all Biden is.

Perhaps they can, but that does not mean one automaticlly supports Bernie.

rossie1977

4 more years of Trump would be a nightmare scenario for the US unless you are very rich and ultra conservative.

The question for Democrats really is do they want radical change now or elect someone who is tried and trusted in this area.

Itssoeasy

NBC news and cbs news are calling Virginia for joe Biden literally at the poll closing which seems a surprise. Bernie sanders has won Vermont which was never in doubt.

Rjd2

rossie1977 wrote: »

4 more years of Trump would be a nightmare scenario for the US unless you are very rich and ultra conservative.

The question for Democrats really is do they want radical change now or elect someone who is tried and trusted in this area.

2024 if its Biden, expect someone like Hawley or Hailey to trash him. Heck even the likes of Crenshaw, DeSantis and no don't laugh here someone like Tucker if they could choose the Dem candidate would love to run v Biden.

sid waddell

Could be a long night for Bernie I think. Virginia projected for Biden off the bat which means North Carolina will be too and it doesn't look great for him in Texas either, he'll be relying on early voting to have a chance.

Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma will definitely go to Biden.

Bernie should take California, Colorado, and Utah in addition to Vermont. That leaves Massachussetts, Minnesota and Maine. If he can take those he'll gain respectability on the night but Texas is the real big prize tonight and whoever wins that will take the real momentum from it. At the moment you'd have to say Biden will will probably win it.

Itssoeasy

sid waddell wrote: »

Could be a long night for Bernie I think. Virginia projected for Biden off the bat which means North Carolina will be too and it doesn't look great for him in Texas either, he'll be relying on early voting to have a chance.

Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma will definitely go to Biden.

Bernie should take California, Colorado, and Utah in addition to Vermont. That leaves Massachussetts, Minnesota and Maine. If he can take those he'll gain respectability on the night but Texas is the real big prize tonight and whoever wins that will take the real momentum from it. At the moment you'd have to say Biden will will probably win it.

It doesn't seem that joe Biden winning Virginia is the shock it's how early it was called. On NBC they are saying that is a sign that the momentum from South Carolina is still there.

rossie1977

Biden wins North Carolina

Itssoeasy

NBC news is calling North Carolina for joe Biden. Imagine this time last week it was a case if you believed the pundits it was a case of how far Bernie sanders would be ahead of the field after Super Tuesday. IF Joe Biden goes onto become the nominee then congreman Jim Clyburns endorsement of joe Biden will be seen as the turning point.

markodaly

My earlier prophecy is coming true.
The under 45 voters are not turning out as projected by Bernie supporters in numbers, which is a death knell for his campaign.

Its over for him.

sid waddell

Warren's beat down of Bloomberg in the debate was big for Biden because it killed Bloomberg's campaign there and then.

Buttigieg and Klobuchar were never really going to challenge, so the focus returned to Biden as the challenger to Sanders.

AllForIt

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A poll from cbs news shows that over half of democratic voters want a candidate who can beat trump as opposed to having policies/ideas they agree with. All I can say even though it's one poll is thank **** it seems to be sinking in with them. No candidate for the democrats will be as pure as driven snow so this keeps coming up is beyond me. Donald trump is not a Normal president nor will he be a normal presidential election candidate .So democratic voters IF they want him out of office in January 2021 need to vote for the democratic nominee whoever it is in November even if it's not "your candidate" don't get the hump and stay home and then if trump does win again it'll be their fault.

At the end of the day Democrat's want a candidate who will win, or who in the cold light of day think has the best chance. They went for Hillary last time not Saunders.

This Dem election is following the same pattern as the last one i.e. Saunders had a surge at the beginning but then later tapers off.

I expect to see the same thing happen again.

Would ye ever calm down. There has been no surprising results yet. Everything going precisely as predicted.

Bernie will win Maine and Minnesota. Only thing stopping him winning Mass would be Warren.

Biden was favourite in eastern states, Bernie in western.

Nothing remotely eventful has happened.

sid waddell

Bloomberg getting the young voters out in the key swing state of American Samoa.