Irish Promotions Thread Please read post 1 (*Mod Warning Post #3947)

ThePott · 10-05-2020 7:38pm

This is the page he means https://twitter.com/WrespectT

It's also the second time that Wrespect have come under fire in recent weeks. Skye James has talked about her treatment there as a member of the LGBT community and about that disaster of a Pride show. Lows Blows discussed it on a podcast recently and they really hit the nail and Phil Boyd talked a bit about the divide that's happened up the North.

Certainly it seems like Titanic are a much smoother operation.

the eternal struggler · 10-05-2020 11:21pm

montyrebel wrote: »

so ni company wrespect had a peado working for them as well as stalker callum murray, check out @wrespecttrainee on twitter for details, company needs shut down

Not the first of this up North. A certain notorious worker from down south was up there grooming young wans as well, came out a few months back.

B.A._Baracus · 10-05-2020 11:38pm

the eternal struggler wrote: »

Not the first of this up North. A certain notorious worker from down south was up there grooming young wans as well, came out a few months back.

Freak and idiot. Whoever it is.
Like trying to groom young girls - I don't think anything needs to be said about that sick subject.

But I say idiot cause as a wrestler you are trying to get on. Maybe one day, with a bit of hard work and a lot of luck you'd make it. Doing stuff like that is just career suicide.

the eternal struggler · 10-05-2020 11:56pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Freak and idiot. Whoever it is.
Like trying to groom young girls - I don't think anything needs to be said about that sick subject.

But I say idiot cause as a wrestler you are trying to get on. Maybe one day, with a bit of hard work and a lot of luck you'd make it. Doing stuff like that is just career suicide.

Well that's why certain people don't get booked in their home country.

****in scumbags.

B.A._Baracus · 11-05-2020 12:39am

the eternal struggler wrote: »

Well that's why certain people don't get booked in their home country.

****in scumbags.

I'm curious as to who you're on about now :pac:
Of course I know you cannot say on the forums tho.

An immediate way to get a ban if any :pac:

the eternal struggler · 11-05-2020 1:40am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I'm curious as to who you're on about now :pac:
Of course I know you cannot say on the forums tho.

An immediate way to get a ban if any :pac:

Scroll back a few pages you'll put 2 and 2 together.

ThePott · 11-05-2020 1:46am

the eternal struggler wrote: »

put 2 and 2 together.

Yeah I got nothing

edit- I'm joking btw

the eternal struggler · 11-05-2020 1:49am

ThePott wrote: »

Yeah I got nothing

Ah Dats a shame.

B.A._Baracus · 15-06-2020 8:37pm

Wonder when the various wrestling schools in Ireland are gonna start training again.
Shows are still way out but since more and more are lifting restrictions I wonder when they will be.

ThePott · 15-06-2020 10:06pm

Speaking of Irish Wrestling, how class is this

https://twitter.com/ThisIs_Progress/status/1272589785278722048

showpony1 · 17-06-2020 10:56am

Over the Top rope wrestling should do a social distancing Contenders show in Ringside club with a few people spaced out in the crowd and then stream it online for the others for a fee. Those there can even have a beer as they sell Curry Chips.

Insect Overlord · 17-06-2020 11:21am

showpony1 wrote: »

Over the Top rope wrestling should do a social distancing Contenders show in Ringside club with a few people spaced out in the crowd and then stream it online for the others for a fee. Those there can even have a beer as they sell Curry Chips.

Are "Over The Top Rope" some sort of OTT spoof, or is it just your personal nickname for them?

brianblaze · 17-06-2020 12:37pm

showpony1 wrote: »

Over the Top rope wrestling should do a social distancing Contenders show in Ringside club with a few people spaced out in the crowd and then stream it online for the others for a fee. Those there can even have a beer as they sell Curry Chips.

Are the chips €9? (The newly mooted gov guidelines states the food has to be something over €9)
The crowd would have to leave after 90 minutes
Live streaming with commentary and multiple angles would be a pain in the arse

showpony1 · 17-06-2020 12:41pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Are the chips €9? (The newly mooted gov guidelines states the food has to be something over €9)

grand they can wait until july 20th (actually wrestling itself isn't allowed under guidelines until July 20).

i didn't say live stream it - they could put up the content to boost VOD sales/renewals a few days after.

its sad to see people wanting to come up with every reason why something can't be done rather than being positive.

brianblaze · 17-06-2020 12:45pm

showpony1 wrote: »

grand they can wait until july 20th.
i didn't say live stream.

Aahhh my mistake, sorry. I extrapolated to seeing that as a little be stream.

TBH I think the first show back should be a big one with a big crowd. The ecstacy of wrestling returns where it belongs, with a few thousand people at the stadium

showpony1 · 17-06-2020 12:57pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Aahhh my mistake, sorry. I extrapolated to seeing that as a little be stream.

TBH I think the first show back should be a big one with a big crowd. The ecstacy of wrestling returns where it belongs, with a few thousand people at the stadium

i don't know what the criteria is for government to allow 2000 cram into the stadium again, doesn't seem like anytime soon. I wouldn't say fans of our business are renowned for being the most hygienic of fans either.

brianblaze · 17-06-2020 1:30pm

showpony1 wrote: »

i don't know what the criteria is for government to allow 2000 cram into the stadium again, doesn't seem like anytime soon. I wouldn't say fans of our business are renowned for being the most hygienic of fans either.

Well there's a stadium show in October so here's hoping! If the GAA can do something in Croker then we can do something in the stadium I'm sure. Plus venues will be begging for the revenue so there might even be a bigger opportunity after all this. Who knows!?

jface187 · 21-06-2020 9:47pm

The biggest problem is who do they book? Starrr, Jorand and presumably Scotty Davis not an option. Who knows how easy it will be to book international talent.

Omackeral · 21-06-2020 10:10pm

Damien Corvin and Liam Royal are two big bad boys you could easily push I reckon. B-Cool is massively over, could be a fantastic babyface higher up the card. All of MTH are good talents in their own right too. Zack Gibson could be a phenomenal heel OTT World Champion if his schedule allowed.

the eternal struggler · 21-06-2020 10:18pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Damien Corvin and Liam Royal are two big bad boys you could easily push I reckon. B-Cool is massively over, could be a fantastic babyface higher up the card. All of MTH are good talents in their own right too. Zack Gibson could be a phenomenal heel OTT World Champion if his schedule allowed.

Corvin's work is absolutely not up to snuff to be a singles wrestler or anywhere near the top of the card. It's evident anytime you see him in a singles match and the Kings have had the same match with everyone, sloppy brawls and into the crowd and since they lost to BSS and that "loser leaves" ****e theyve barely been seen, doesn't speak highly to be honest.

As for Liam Royal, absolute sky is the limit but he seems to have completely disappeared from social media but I'm assuming it's lockdown related and he'll be back but very young and green to fill the position of a Starr or Devlin.

Make no bones about it, all this is a huge huge blow for OTT.

Omackeral · 21-06-2020 10:24pm

Royal seems to connect well with the crowd any time I've seen him. He might be a bit greener than others but he dwarfs plenty of the rest of them so that could be used to cover any shortcomings. Just have him dominate them and build him up a bit. Corvin I think is good on the mic in taped promos (really good actually) and has a good look. I think he's fine in the ring but maybe doesn't connect all that well with the audience or the act is stale.

Yeah it's a big blow losing Starr, with Jordan and Scotty's status still unknown but there's some great minds and talent at work in OTT and their shows nearly always tick the right boxes. One thing about the OTT faithful is that they'll always give the guys and girls encouragement and that's class.

the eternal struggler · 21-06-2020 10:35pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Royal seems to connect well with the crowd any time I've seen him. He might be a bit greener than others but he dwarfs plenty of the rest of them so that could be used to cover any shortcomings. Just have him dominate them and build him up a bit. Corvin I think is good on the mic in taped promos (really good actually) and has a good look. I think he's fine in the ring but maybe doesn't connect all that well with the audience or the act is stale.

Yeah it's a big blow losing Starr, with Jordan and Scotty's status still unknown but there's some great minds and talent at work in OTT and their shows nearly always tick the right boxes. One thing about the OTT faithful is that they'll always give the guys and girls encouragement and that's class.

Definitely agree with Royal, the sky is the limit with him but he's a long way off topping the card. Corvin is unbelievable in those pre taped promos and that's where it stops. All you need to do is look at where he's booked outside of OTT, I think him and Bonesaw work for that weird TNT promotion in Liverpool and that's about it? Nowhere near good enough to step into one of those top spots.

All 3 MTH lads will have huge futures I think though which I forgot to say before. Definitely Kearney and Cleary and Nathan Martin has shown great personality over the last couple of shows especially in the Lucha Brothers one.

The Assistinator · 22-06-2020 11:10am

Not too sure to put this here or the other thread but a lot of talk on the twitter about the cork promotions again and a high up female talent bullying will see if I can dig it out here.
https://twitter.com/Alan4L/status/1274785521156284416

brianblaze · 22-06-2020 12:13pm

jface187 wrote: »

The biggest problem is who do they book? Starrr, Jorand and presumably Scotty Davis not an option. Who knows how easy it will be to book international talent.

Session Moth as champ. The feel good, massive pop the scene needs now. The nicest wrestler you could ever meet, has earned the spot and would make the most sense.

As long as her RoH and Japan bookings lined up, I'd take six months to a year of champion Martina

B.A._Baracus · 22-06-2020 1:12pm

The Assistinator wrote: »

Not too sure to put this here or the other thread but a lot of talk on the twitter about the cork promotions again and a high up female talent bullying will see if I can dig it out here.
https://twitter.com/Alan4L/status/1274785521156284416

Sadly this has happened so much in indy wrestling. It's sickening. You can't train as much as "you should"? - you don't get booked. You can't do street team - you don't get booked. You can't work security at events - you don't get booked.

The biggest lie in professional wrestling is the word "trainee" - It is a way to keep you down. You are only a trainee so you are not gonna get paid for risking your body (even bus fare and something to eat is too much to ask for) you are only a trainee so you have to buy the promotions tshirt (with no discount) you are a trainee so if some known wrestler is doing a "seminar" you must attend. If you dont? don't look to get booked.

A wrestling seminar is an old promoters trick to cover the known wrestlers booking and earn at the same time. Charging mental money in which you learn next to nothing.

I could go on.

Omackeral · 22-06-2020 1:19pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Session Moth as champ. The feel good, massive pop the scene needs now. The nicest wrestler you could ever meet, has earned the spot and would make the most sense.

As long as her RoH and Japan bookings lined up, I'd take six months to a year of champion Martina

The women have a championship of their own. Wouldn’t that kind of devalue that title? Wouldn’t be for me personally. Also there’s the Gender Neutral Title too already!

showpony1 · 22-06-2020 1:24pm

jface187 wrote: »

The biggest problem is who do they book? Starrr, Jorand and presumably Scotty Davis not an option. Who knows how easy it will be to book international talent.

I can't understand who would want to support the Irish scene at the moment.

The Assistinator · 22-06-2020 1:26pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Sadly this has happened so much in indy wrestling. It's sickening. You can't train as much as "you should"? - you don't get booked. You can't do street team - you don't get booked. You can't work security at events - you don't get booked.

The biggest lie in professional wrestling is the word "trainee" - It is a way to keep you down. You are only a trainee so you are not gonna get paid for risking your body (even bus fare and something to eat is too much to ask for) you are only a trainee so you have to buy the promotions tshirt (with no discount) you are a trainee so if some known wrestler is doing a "seminar" you must attend. If you dont? don't look to get booked.

A wrestling seminar is an old promoters trick to cover the known wrestlers booking and earn at the same time. Charging mental money in which you learn next to nothing.

I could go on.

Jesus I didn’t know that at all so basically a “trainee” is a cash cow and free labour under the guise of paying your dues an absolute joke.

The Assistinator · 22-06-2020 1:29pm

showpony1 wrote: »

I can't understand who would want to support the Irish scene at the moment.

I get you as a long time OTT fan going to Dublin and Belfast I won’t be going for the foreseeable future even watching what’s going on on twitter would annoy you wrestling should be an escape from reality not a nightmare to be apart off.

brianblaze · 22-06-2020 1:42pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The women have a championship of their own. Wouldn’t that kind of devalue that title? Wouldn’t be for me personally. Also there’s the Gender Neutral Title too already!

She's at a main event level IMO, the Heavyweight belt isn't a men's only belt, it's for the top person

hynesie08 · 22-06-2020 1:46pm

The Assistinator wrote: »

Jesus I didn’t know that at all so basically a “trainee” is a cash cow and free labour under the guise of paying your dues an absolute joke.

I can't speak for any of the current schools, but I can tell you any place I trained was barely covering rent with the trainees money, maybe once a year there'd be an open day with a new sign up bump, but nobody was getting rich off that.

As for the free labour, why wouldn't you promote a show your on/help the club you're part of? Why wouldn't you set up the ring you're going to be bumping in to make sure it's safe?

Omackeral · 22-06-2020 1:51pm

brianblaze wrote: »

She's at a main event level IMO, the Heavyweight belt isn't a men's only belt, it's for the top person

Generally a top title is a men’s belt. Then there’s a women’s equivalent. 99% of the time that’s the case anyway. Probably not the brightest idea to have blokes punching the women now anyway.

brianblaze · 22-06-2020 1:58pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Generally a top title is a men’s belt. Then there’s a women’s equivalent. 99% of the time that’s the case anyway. Probably not the brightest idea to have blokes punching the women now anyway.

Tessa Blanchard is Impact champion now I think, so that's a bit of mainstream acceptance. I can't think of any ott fan that wouldn't pop for a Session Moth title win

B.A._Baracus · 22-06-2020 2:03pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

I can't speak for any of the current schools, but I can tell you any place I trained was barely covering rent with the trainees money, maybe once a year there'd be an open day with a new sign up bump, but nobody was getting rich off that.

As for the free labour, why wouldn't you promote a show your on/help the club you're part of? Why wouldn't you set up the ring you're going to be bumping in to make sure it's safe?

The problem is Hynesie, promoters get greedy and take advantage.
I know the promotion you are referencing. You say the school barely covered rent. But what about the shows?

The lads weren't getting paid. Not even bus fares.

SketchyPrince · 22-06-2020 2:05pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Session Moth as champ. The feel good, massive pop the scene needs now. The nicest wrestler you could ever meet, has earned the spot and would make the most sense.

As long as her RoH and Japan bookings lined up, I'd take six months to a year of champion Martina

Highly overrated worker in my opinion, gimmick aside.

Insect Overlord · 22-06-2020 2:08pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Tessa Blanchard is Impact champion now I think.

I believe they might be regretting that though, to be fair. :pac:

hynesie08 · 22-06-2020 2:31pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

The problem is Hynesie, promoters get greedy and take advantage.
I know the promotion you are referencing. You say the school barely covered rent. But what about the shows?

The lads weren't getting paid. Not even bus fares.

I trained 2 places, the first I honestly can't comment on that side of it cause I never progressed past gym shows.

The second I can say, money made from the shows was pumped back into the promotion, and by the time I finished up there, there was a professional PA system, lights and a stage, which if you're starting out is more beneficial than a 15 euro payday, I can also say any bigger shows I was on I was paid, and more than once I saw the promoter pay for a taxi for people when ring crew ran past last bus.

I can also say that I was never punished for genuinely not being able to make flyering/the odd training class, but if I vanished for 6-8 weeks of course I would drop down the bookings list.

showpony1 · 22-06-2020 2:32pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Session Moth as champ. The feel good, massive pop the scene needs now. The nicest wrestler you could ever meet, has earned the spot and would make the most sense.

As long as her RoH and Japan bookings lined up, I'd take six months to a year of champion Martina

that would be a big fall off in the quality of main events OTT usually have.

ThePott · 22-06-2020 2:38pm

As the de factor Phoenix guy around here I guess I'll share what I said on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Pop_Cult_Pod/status/1275005920225955841?s=20

As for the talk and treatment of trainees. I've never been entirely comfortable with the 'paying your dues' idea as it is easily corruptible. That being said, wrestling and a lot of independent arts in general is based on this system. Most of the roles you take on as a trainee is a learning experience.

Should trainees not know how to put up a ring?
Should they not help with promoting a show for the school they are part of?
With regards to training, if they haven't been training often is it safe to put them on a show?
When I didn't show up to rugby training, I didn't get my spot on the team either.

For security? Most of the shows I've been to have actual security personnel, the trainees are ringside as they are more familiar with the ins and outs of wrestling. You can't ask a security guard to catch someone on a suicide dive.

Again, these are my opinions alone.

Omackeral · 22-06-2020 2:39pm

brianblaze wrote: »

Tessa Blanchard is Impact champion now I think, so that's a bit of mainstream acceptance. I can't think of any ott fan that wouldn't pop for a Session Moth title win

I know she is. Pretty much an exception though, wouldn't you agree? Kind of ironic that she's used as an example of progressiveness given her racist comments (not saying you're promoting her yourself Brian).

I don't really get the clamour for intergender matches at the World Title level. It would be uncomfortable to watch Brock Lesnar batter Kairi Sane for example. It's also a bit of a reality killer too for me.

montyrebel · 22-06-2020 3:02pm

Only getting round to reading the sunday papers now and Sunday life in particular has a story about Brian Corr, ex PWU, has worked for OTT up north mainly and a few other promotions, up in court on 2 counts of causing or inciting a boy under 16 to engage in sexual activity

B.A._Baracus · 22-06-2020 3:26pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

I trained 2 places, the first I honestly can't comment on that side of it cause I never progressed past gym shows.

It would not be fair for me to comment on the second but I am referencing the first place you were in.... also:

ThePott wrote: »

As the de factor Phoenix guy around here I guess I'll share what I said on twitter.

As for the talk and treatment of trainees. I've never been entirely comfortable with the 'paying your dues' idea as it is easily corruptible. That being said, wrestling and a lot of independent arts in general is based on this system. Most of the roles you take on as a trainee is a learning experience.

Should trainees not know how to put up a ring?
Should they not help with promoting a show for the school they are part of?
With regards to training, if they haven't been training often is it safe to put them on a show?
When I didn't show up to rugby training, I didn't get my spot on the team either.

For security? Most of the shows I've been to have actual security personnel, the trainees are ringside as they are more familiar with the ins and outs of wrestling. You can't ask a security guard to catch someone on a suicide dive.

Again, these are my opinions alone.

See here's the thing, what you just said ThePott sounds fair. Problem is it gets abused.
The words trainee and pay your dues are like a piece of string - how long are they really?

One promoter may be fair and not take the p*ss. Another can realise "hang on... i'll just use the lads to do this" - it should be noted that not every promoter is the same but some have used.

Which leads me back to hynsies comment. I've been told by many guys how that promoter never paid anyone to wrestle. To earn him money.

The Assistinator · 22-06-2020 3:49pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

I can't speak for any of the current schools, but I can tell you any place I trained was barely covering rent with the trainees money, maybe once a year there'd be an open day with a new sign up bump, but nobody was getting rich off that.

As for the free labour, why wouldn't you promote a show your on/help the club you're part of? Why wouldn't you set up the ring you're going to be bumping in to make sure it's safe?

I was referring to what ba said above having no experience of this myself how would I know, but as for helping out at the very least food should be laid on and travel taking care of after all money is still been made out of everyone’s hard work.

ThePott · 22-06-2020 4:09pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

See here's the thing, what you just said ThePott sounds fair. Problem is it gets abused.
The words trainee and pay your dues are like a piece of string - how long are they really?

Absolutely, I agree, I said as much. It is easily open to corruption.
I will say that I've seen it abused in the past but I will say that in my experience and from what I've witnessed that is not the case with Phoenix.

Omackeral · 26-06-2020 8:40am

brianblaze wrote: »

Tessa Blanchard is Impact champion now I think, so that's a bit of mainstream acceptance.

:pac::pac::pac:

ThePerfectE · 08-07-2020 5:54pm

Over the Top Rope Sports Entertainment have put together a new board of members. They'll meet monthly to discuss whether any Irish or British talent have been acting the maggot on nights out or on social media.

The board will comprise of Joseph Cabray, Lawrence James Cleary, Kaydee McKeon Joyce, Kazza Glennon and Katelyn Harvey.

Kazza Glennon has also quietly replaced Jordan Devlin as a coach in the School of Irish Sports Entertainment. Coach Glennon will now work alongside Coach Joseph Cabray and Coach Patrick Morrow.

B.A._Baracus · 12-07-2020 12:34pm

ThePerfectE wrote: »

Over the Top Rope Sports Entertainment have put together a new board of members. They'll meet monthly to discuss whether any Irish or British talent have been acting the maggot on nights out or on social media.

The board will comprise of Joseph Cabray, Lawrence James Cleary, Kaydee McKeon Joyce, Kazza Glennon and Katelyn Harvey.

Kazza Glennon has also quietly replaced Jordan Devlin as a coach in the School of Irish Sports Entertainment. Coach Glennon will now work alongside Coach Joseph Cabray and Coach Patrick Morrow.

Does that mean the school is back open?
Thought they were looking for a place after the owner of the building asked them to move out.

montyrebel · 12-07-2020 10:30pm

they are taking over training in NI too by looks of it

the eternal struggler · 13-07-2020 8:42pm

To be honest I think it's all the same what school they take over or reopen, I really feel between the pandemic and the speak out thing that OTT and UK/Irish wrestling is a spent force.

jaykhunter · 15-07-2020 4:32pm

ah c'mon, people will be dying for events when the country fully opens up again.

Plus, people have short memories. It's the best and worst thing about people.

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