#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

jaykhunter wrote: »

Jeez, that's awful. Of course, innocent until proven guilty. Dude does have a laundry list of offenses, I'm amazed how he keeps finding work. Be shocked if he worms his way back into WWE, but do you think he'll be back in TNA again?

Interesting question.
I'd say Impact would gladly have him back as he is a name.
AEW wouldn't touch him as it seems to be aiming for a zero policy type of thing (officially anyways) As for WWE if he gets convicted they'll never touch him - "Alberto who?" - you know yourself.

He's 43 now so he could easily go 5-7 years. Maybe more. Thing is apart from all this mess isn't he known for some crazy coke habit?

Will Ospreay statement two days ago.

J. Marston wrote: »

I read someone saying he is weaponising mental health and I fully agree.

Ospreay is a scumbag. He denied and denied and denied that he blackballed a woman who his friend raped, got caught in a lie and then disappeared. Now after the heat has died down he's out with the depression spiel. Excuse me for not buying it.

Also, fúck Meltzer who has come out today and compared him to Hana Kimura. Hana Kimura did nothing wrong. Ospreay is a cúnt and deserves his public flogging.

thats sick if he's doing that. I know anxiety isn't the worst of mental health conditions like bi polar and others but I suffer from anxiety at times(thankfully not as much now) but I've never used it to get sympathy or change the subject but I've never been accused of anything as serious as he has. IF that is what he is doing than **** him and the horse he rode in on.

And Dave meltzer can go and do one as well. Bruce Pritchard was right(never thought I'd say that) but meltzer needs to not be held in such high regard.

J. Marston wrote: »

I read someone saying he is weaponising mental health and I fully agree.

Ospreay is a scumbag. He denied and denied and denied that he blackballed a woman who his friend raped, got caught in a lie and then disappeared. Now after the heat has died down he's out with the depression spiel. Excuse me for not buying it.

Also, fúck Meltzer who has come out today and compared him to Hana Kimura. Hana Kimura did nothing wrong. Ospreay is a cúnt and deserves his public flogging.

I remember reading a story about Jericho's cruise where Booker T went nuts when Meltzer saddled up to him and Flair. If only more wrestlers treated Meltzer with the same utter derision as the ones that have given him the time of day, have only ended up overinflating that ego of his.

weareallmarks wrote: »

Lads, the answer can be both. The depression is real. It may have been triggered by the reaction to his scummy behaviour, but that doesnt negate the issues he has.

I'm not a fan of him, but you cant look at it as simply as you are! Depression is real.


Speaking out isnt just about the abuse (which is horrific) it is about the wrestling fans who creep all over wrestlers too. Alot of people living in glass houses...

I don't think any one his doubting the existence of depression.

Some are just saying its convenient that Will is choosing to come out with this now. Screams damage limitation.

You are all making assumptions. None of you are psychologusts. My point is that the depression may have been triggered by the reaction to his bad behaviour. A mixture of guilt and realisation that he made some scummy decisions.

I am not a psychologists but understand from a mental health aspect (very different bad behaviour of course) where this can happen. If he is deflecting then he is beyond sociopathic, not against the realms of possibility but we cant diagnose someone we dont know.

Osprey and others cant get back on peoples good side. What he did doesnt deserve a quick forgiveness because he can do a flip and is good at his job, that takes time. I would hope that we are all grown up enough to know that its not that simple, 'i did something bad, I'll play the depression card'

If you;ve never been through it (some will say you have but you havent if this doesnt resonate), you will never understand.

As for Spacey, he was a serial predator. Long spells of same behaviour. Does Osprey have a history of covering up bad behaviour (i honestly dont know, open to correction) point being Spacey had a pattern, does the other fella?

Life is not simple.

jaykhunter wrote: »

This is highly suspect and screams of deflection. Having major depressive disorder is a SERIOUS mental illness, not feeling down because you got caught as a liar and manipulative scumbag. It's normal that he SHOULD be feeling down - he's reaping the rewards of years of abusive behaviour. It comes off as emotionally blackmailing fans into getting back on his side.

For his sake, I hope he's playing this up for sympathy - depression is a horrific, devastating, long-standing mental illness.

This reminds me of when Kevin Spacey tried to deflect his sexual predatory behavior with "hey I'm gay".

Only my two cents... But I agree that the osprey "depression" is bull*hit.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Joey Ryan is back on Twitter, and he's come out fighting.

One hour long. Just started watching it (having a wild Saturday night, me...) but at the start he denies all allegations and says he has evidence to prove this.

Ballsy stance to take given the sheer amount of allegations towards him. But it's only fair that both sides are heard, gonna watch the rest.

J. Marston wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faXJHHMqzpU

One hour long. Just started watching it (having a wild Saturday night, me...) but at the start he denies all allegations and says he has evidence to prove this.

Ballsy stance to take given the sheer amount of allegations towards him. But it's only fair that both sides are heard, gonna watch the rest.

Please make bullet points, the only thing I have less interest in watching than a joey Ryan match is a joey Ryan promo.......

Watched it. Ain’t a body language expert but I think everything he’s saying is true (or he at least isn’t bluffing, that’s for sure). He is holding his hands up about a few shady things and talks through the others.

Call me hoodwinked but I’ve a feeling from the tone of txts and DM details that Ryan is a bloke acutely aware of consent. In all the shared content he shows nothing that would scream truly scummy behavior.

The main thing I took from this is that good God, I can barely keep hold of messages more than a year old never mind years old.

If people have to right to call him out on social media without evidence then he has the right to a rebuttal which is convincing in places, but the video only really serves to give you a window into how all over the place Joey is.

He seems to need the constant reassurance and presence of a woman and it's not hard to see how that could lead to dodgy behaviour. Some of the detail he goes into doesn't sound like what he thinks it does so all in all, this video was ill advised.

If you don’t want to watch the whole thing some notes in there

https://twitter.com/wrestlingsheet/status/1284690624965496832?s=21

The fact that he says his lawyer told him not to comment and then proceeds to do an hour long ramble tells you all you need to know. He's trying to rally public opinion because legally he could /should end up in jail.

He's waited, he hopes enough time has passed and that some forgiving men will see his side of it. And to anyone willing to even hear him out the only possible reason anyone can give for the near 20 allegations against him is that there must be a mass conspiracy against Joey Ryan (!)

weareallmarks wrote: »

You are not qualified to make comments on peoples mental health.

This is the issue with wrestling fans. You know nothing about the fella. I met him, he was a bell end. But I dont doubt his mental illness. Triggered by rotten behaviour doesnt mean its attention seeking or BS.

You are the issue with wrestling fans......Alot of them on here.

:pac: Love the way you quoted me yet there was this with 7 thanks:

J. Marston wrote: »

I read someone saying he is weaponising mental health and I fully agree.

Ospreay is a scumbag. He denied and denied and denied that he blackballed a woman who his friend raped, got caught in a lie and then disappeared. Now after the heat has died down he's out with the depression spiel. Excuse me for not buying it.

Also, fúck Meltzer who has come out today and compared him to Hana Kimura. Hana Kimura did nothing wrong. Ospreay is a cúnt and deserves his public flogging.

See "this is the issue with wrestling fans" you are talking about - that's called having an opinion. You believe he is genuine. That's fine. Myself, and at least 8 people on here who feel he is not being genuine. That's fine too.

Agree or disagree you have that right. But so do others.