Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

alchemist33 · 19-07-2019 8:47pm

archer22 wrote: »

So all that military and high tech stuff belonging to the Empire and it's vassal in the gulf and still Iran is able to do what it wants when it wants ha ha

Doesn't look good for the Imperial navies if a shooting match breaks out...looks like Iran is more than a match for them :cool:

Bit confused here. You're saying the Iranian navy is a match for the British (or American?) navy because they commandeered an oil tanker?

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 8:47pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I don't understand what is going on. Can anyone give a summary?

The Brits captured an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar. As an act of retaliation the Iranians have captured a British tanker in the Strait of Hormuz. They have also reportedly captured a second tanker.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 8:48pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Another tanker possibly captured

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:686154/zoom:10

Edit: Destination up as "Armed Guards on Board", LR2 POSEIDON, Hong Kong

Yep seeing this not sure yet. It be nuts if they take another tanker.

seamusk84 · 19-07-2019 8:49pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

The Brits captured an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar. As an act of retaliation the Iranians have captured a British tanker in the Strait of Hormuz. They have also reportedly captured a second tanker.

Cheers.

Silly question, why exactly did the Brits capture one of their tankers on Gib? Was it not authorized to be there?

cnocbui · 19-07-2019 8:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

What's the stance on negotiations with terrorists

Double tap.

Melanchthon · 19-07-2019 8:50pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

The Brits captured an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar. As an act of retaliation the Iranians have captured a British tanker in the Strait of Hormuz. They have also reportedly captured a second tanker.

And likely a 3rd one, this is where you really see the modern world and its constant updates, also what Twitter is actually useful for rather than just SJW's cancelling each other and alt-right trolls

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 8:52pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Another tanker possibly captured

Destination up as "Armed Guards on Board"

What in the name of Jaysus are armed Gardaí doing in the Strait of Hormuz?

Shouldn't they be sorting out the 'rising crime levels' in Dublin before trying to calm down tensions in the Gulf?

Larbre34 · 19-07-2019 8:53pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

What in the name of Jaysus are armed Gardaí doing in the Strait of Hormuz?

Shouldn't they be sorting out the 'rising crime levels' in Dublin before trying to calm down tensions in the Gulf?

One is good practice for the other.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 8:54pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

If UK takes military action it be laughable if Trump says not my business. It too early- Trump reaction may be different in a few hours time. There no sign military action is imminent though. We have to watch and see.

Are the British going to send the coast guard?

archer22 · 19-07-2019 8:55pm

alchemist33 wrote: »

Bit confused here. You're saying the Iranian navy is a match for the British (or American?) navy because they commandeered an oil tanker?

No confusion, the tankers are irrelevant, what Iran has shown is that it can operate under the Empire's nose and do whatever it wishes to do.

Means the Empire's warships will be in deep sh1t in a conflict.

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 8:56pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

Two tankers seized in the one day.

Could we be looking at the next Gulf War?

Create a fake crisis by paying disgruntled Iranian soldiers more than they would make in a year for a few hours work and hey presto, the 9th April 2018 Bolton regime gets a diversion away from the 'send her back' rallies and its fallout. Sick lot these rulers of the former USA.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 8:57pm

Gatling wrote: »

Iran just went full retard .

Not at all. If trump goes to war, which his base doesn’t want, then the economy could be smashed. This will stop his election.

Theresa May has just pissed him off as well.

He’ll let the brits handle it.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 8:58pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Create a fake crisis by paying disgruntled Iranian soldiers more than they would make in a year for a few hours work and hey presto, the 9th April 2018 Bolton regime gets a diversion away from the 'send her back' rallies and its fallout. Sick lot these rulers of the former USA.

I believe false flags happen but Iran hasn’t disavowed this. Also it’s not an attack on the US per say.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 8:58pm

US military aircraft have taken off and are over the strait of Hormuz. At this time they watching US owned ships for their safety.

Limpy · 19-07-2019 8:59pm

If the brits fire 1 bullet then they may aswell fire at the crew of the ships. Nothing will happen untill they are released.

It's May's last days in office how can she authorise anything.

Legally speaking is it theft or an act of war?

jackboy · 19-07-2019 8:59pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Not at all. If trump goes to war, which his base doesn’t want, then the economy could be smashed. This will stop his election.

Theresa May has just pissed him off as well.

He’ll let the brits handle it.

Even if all that is true Iran would still be destroyed.

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:01pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Not at all. If trump goes to war, which his base doesn’t want

He doesn't give a feck about his inbred base there are others who want a war ,but trump has already said he would take action hence the carrier group , other fleet vessels ,along with enough airpower to remove most of Iran's military being moved into the area

For some reason Iran thinks they can get a better deal out of this ,they will rapidly alienate any support if they don't back down

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 9:01pm

jackboy wrote: »

Even if all that is true Iran would still be destroyed.

Destroyed by Britain’s coast guard? Not seeing it.

ArchXStanton · 19-07-2019 9:01pm

The Brits are sayng the seizure is unacceptable..lol..da fuk outa here,and there you have it folks,the wests mentality in a nutshell,they'll run behind the US skirt now...fair play to Iran they ain't taking no sh*t

Voltex · 19-07-2019 9:03pm

archer22 wrote: »

No confusion, the tankers are irrelevant, what Iran has shown is that it can operate under the Empire's nose and do whatever it wishes to do.

Means the Empire's warships will be in deep sh1t in a conflict.

Im a bit confused here. A single US carrier strike group could send Iran back to the stone age....theres no military match here whats so ever, and the Iranians know this.

My bets are the Brits have a Vanguard boomer heading to the region. They'll announce HMS Kent, but thats the PR side. The real strategic stuff will be kept quiet.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 9:03pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Are the British going to send the coast guard?

I think they have couple of destroyers in Persian gulf. Another one on the way, If they going in militarily, they ask Trump to join it be difficult for him to turn down an ally.

ArchXStanton · 19-07-2019 9:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

He doesn't give a feck about his inbred base there are others who want a war ,but trump has already said he would take action hence the carrier group , other fleet vessels ,along with enough airpower to remove most of Iran's military being moved into the area

For some reason Iran thinks they can get a better deal out of this ,they will rapidly alienate any support if they don't back down

Did it ever occur to you,that without the US presence there...there would be no issues in the strait of Hormuz

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:05pm

War between former USA and UK if something goes wrong. If the Americans pretending to be Iranians kill anyone from the British ships and the British find out, relations go south very quickly. 2 former pals and nuke powers on a war footing. And all to cover up a stupid rally Bolton's racist pals set up.

archer22 · 19-07-2019 9:06pm

The Yanks and Brits are like the school bullies who have cornered a little kid and are amazed that not only is he refusing to hand over his lunch money...but he has now gone and grabbed their lunch money :pac:

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 9:06pm

Gatling wrote: »

He doesn't give a feck about his inbred base there are others who want a war ,but trump has already said he would take action hence the carrier group , another fleet vessels ,along with enough airpower to remove most of Iran's military

He probably won’t make that speech about his inbred base at his next rally. He wants to be re-elected.

For some reason Iran thinks they can get a better deal out of this ,they will rapidly alienate any support if they don't back down

Let’s see what happens. Any war could cause a world wide recession and could be devastating to the west. Even People like yourself who tend to support wars that kill millions of brown people might have some opposition if it affected your livelihood.

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:06pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

War betweem former USA and UK if something goes wrong. If the Americans pretending to be Iranians kill anyone from the British ships and the British find out, relations go south very quickly.

What da fauq are you smoking !!!

cnocbui · 19-07-2019 9:06pm

This is always an interesting resource at times like this: https://iran.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-july-marine-traffic-the-british-carrier-seized-by-iran

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:07pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Even People like yourself who tend to support wars that kill millions of brown people might have some opposition if it affected your livelihood.

Stop with the nonsense I'm one of the few in this thread was said no war ..

But war won't effect my livelihood not one bit

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 9:08pm

British-linked tanker Mesdar has updated its position, it may have got released? Early reports maybe a sign Iran is willing to release one of the tankers, maybe?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 19-07-2019 9:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think they have couple of destroyers in Persian gulf. Another one on the way, If they going in militarily, they ask Trump to join it be difficult for him to turn down an ally.

Might want to research the falklands.

(Of course I realise that there are far more war mongers in the US these days, many with a hatred of Iran).

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:10pm

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Gatling wrote: »

What da fauq are you smoking !!!

The truth. Perfect crisis to divert attentions away from the negative publicity over the 'send her back' rallies. Typical John Bolton tripe. This drivel was not happening when Bolton wasn't influencing things was it??? People need to wake up to the evil of this April 2018 American filth. Worst American regime ever. And the worst is yet to come unless this shower are taken down now for good.

April 2018 regime want to get the UK out of the 2015 deal too. All very clear who is behind all this.

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 9:10pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

British-linked tanker Mesdar has updated its position, it may have got released? Early reports maybe a sign Iran is willing to release one of the tankers, maybe?

I don't think so.

Which of the tankers had members of the Garda Armed Support Unit onboard?

cnocbui · 19-07-2019 9:10pm

A rather inopportune time for the UK to have it's flagship carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, pulled up at the side of the channel waiting for the AA van to arrive and fix it .... again.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 9:12pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

I don't think so.

Which of the tankers had members of the Garda Armed Support Unit onboard?

Transponder for the second tanker has just come online and its moving away from Iranian Coast. Right now it looks to be released. There no need for Iran to hold two tankers, they only need one to bargain with..

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:17pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Transponder for the second tanker has just come online and its moving away from Iranian Coast. Right now it looks to be released. There no need for Iran to hold two tankers, they only need one to bargain with..

Or it simply wasn't taken or Iranians didn't like the armed security on board

One tanker won't give them much leverage just a case of how much are the cleric's and Revolutionary guard willing are willing to lose .

A weakened military could lead the people of Iran to make changes

ArchXStanton · 19-07-2019 9:18pm

The US and UK are in a bit of a bind here,if they attack Iran they look bad on the world stage after seizing an Iranian ship.... an eye for an eye and all that...

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 9:19pm

Is that two or three tankers seized in the Strait of Hormuz?

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:19pm

Time for John Bolton to go. Simple as. Bolton should belong only in dystopian fiction, Sadly, this clown is real. The Fascist North American state's national anthem should be 'Send in the clowns'.

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:20pm

Faye McAleer wrote: »

Is that two or three tankers seized in the Strait of Hormuz?

One single vessel apparently

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 9:21pm

Gatling wrote: »

One single vessel apparently

No, two vessels were seized, I have heard reports that a third was also seized but that hasn't been confirmed.

Outlaw Pete · 19-07-2019 9:22pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

The truth. Perfect crisis to divert attentions away from the negative publicity over the 'send her back' rallies.

lol

Hate to break it to you, but outside liberal circles, most people could give a **** about that nonsense.

Or at least, certainly not to the degree that anyone would risk starting a war over it to try and deflect attention away from it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-07-2019 9:22pm

Gatling wrote: »

Or it simply wasn't taken or Iranians didn't like the armed security on board

One tanker won't give them much leverage just a case of how much are the cleric's and Revolutionary guard willing are willing to lose .

A weakened military could lead the people of Iran to make changes

IRGC are claiming they have now released Mesdar oil tanker. They still are keeping the Stella tanker, for now.

They only wanted their oil tanker back and are likely trying to negotiate this.

Thrashssacre · 19-07-2019 9:23pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Time for John Bolton to go. Simple as. Bolton should belong only in dystopian fiction, Sadly, this clown is real. The Fascist North American state's national anthem should be 'Send in the clowns'.

“Fascist North America” would you ever give over.....

Thrashssacre · 19-07-2019 9:24pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Time for John Bolton to go. Simple as. Bolton should belong only in dystopian fiction, Sadly, this clown is real. The Fascist North American state's national anthem should be 'Send in the clowns'.

“Fascist North America” would you ever give over....

Faye McAleer · 19-07-2019 9:25pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

IRGC are claiming they have now released Mesdar oil tanker. They still are keeping the Stella tanker, for now.

They only wanted their oil tanker back and are likely trying to negotiate this.

Why did they take the Mesdar in the first place?

Gatling · 19-07-2019 9:25pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They only wanted their oil tanker back and are likely trying to negotiate this.

They were offered it back days ago

Publicly offered it back so now we're into piracy or terrorism .

The British should now drain the Iranian oil and sell it off

super_furry · 19-07-2019 9:26pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

“Fascist North America” would you ever give over.....

Well I mean they are second only to Uganda in the country involved in the most wars....

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:31pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

“Fascist North America” would you ever give over....

What else are they? Warmongering. Sanctions. And oh yes a pregnant woman who gets shot nearly jailed in Alabama. Anyone excusing America's current regime's VILE agenda needs a reality check. At best, this Bolton regime is insulting but we know they are worse than just that. I would hate to see who the next Republican president would be if this trend continues: some awful mongrel of Commander Fred, Joseph McCarthy and Hitler.

The Late Late Show · 19-07-2019 9:39pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

lol

Hate to break it to you, but outside liberal circles, most people could give a **** about that nonsense.

Or at least, certainly not to the degree that anyone would risk starting a war over it to try and deflect attention away from it.

There is no nonsense. America's history is vile and there are plenty evil racist types who are there in the background waiting in the aisles. No, I don't think Trump is a real racist but I do believe there is an evil base of racists out there.

Liberal = free. We are ALL supposed to be free. The opposite to that is UNFREE. So, anyone who thinks liberal is a dirty word are advocates of the unfree. The horrors of slavery, segregation and prohibition and the paranoia of McCarthysim where capitalists were condemned as communists. This is all the types of America we need to NEVER see gain footing ever again.

Of course, there is hyperbole by these Democrat congresswomen and so on but threats do exist and namecalling from both sides feeds extremists. There is a campaign by evil people like Bolton to start wars with all sorts of dirty trickery and the sad fact is guys like Bolton could look good compared to the filth that could eventually take their place in America if all this current paranoid McCarthyist-style stuff continues.

Thrashssacre · 19-07-2019 9:40pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

What else are they? Warmongering. Sanctions. And oh yes a pregnant woman who gets shot nearly jailed in Alabama. Anyone excusing America's current regime's VILE agenda needs a reality check. At best, this Bolton regime is insulting but we know they are worse than just that. I would hate to see who the next Republican president would be if this trend continues: some awful mongrel of Commander Fred, Joseph McCarthy and Hitler.

Honestly that post is a load of sensationalist nonsense, there’s very little difference between how America is run from one administration to the other. It doesn’t just transform on a dime after each election.

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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