Hyundai Ioniq 5

unkel wrote: »

I wonder what he is basing that on. The "Project 45" cars of the first edition are all AWD. So the cars the dealers are getting in a few months times are presumably also all AWD "Project 45" cars

Yeah maybe, then after that I presume Hyundai will just import the RWD because it's cheaper just to import the one spec in large bulk, I remember Hyundai Ireland telling me this before.

How do you reserve the 5 in Ireland or can you ? I registered my interest, that's about all I could find.

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

It's in the name

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

For the 4wd version I reckon it'll be in the top spec so probably around 55-60k after grants

One thing to bear in mind is that the UK government recently dropped the upper limit for their EV grant and I've no doubt the Irish government is itching to do the same before the year ends

So, there could be a sudden price jump for the high spec version within the next 12 months

55-60 K would be beyond my budget for my mileage. Pity.

I really think it's pretty bad that on the ID.4 you have to pay 58K to get Travel Assist, a feature I could not live without going forward, for me, my next car has to have some level of auto steer to ease the eternal motorway commutes.

But I do agree, the id.4 looks like a nicer car except of course for all the black plastic, I don't know what VW were thinking.

The charging times on the 5 are a real forward leap but that really depends on how they manage cold batter charging, they didn't manage too well in the Kona but since charging power greatly depends on current the change to 800 volts might hopefully reduce the effects of cold battery charging as the dependency on current will basically be cut in half.

The only real issue now is Ireland's absolutely appalling DC network which seems to have hit a dead end, in my opinion, one should get the car with the most range as possible to be less dependent on the Public charging network.

Kramer wrote: »

I just watched Bjorn's video of the ID.4 charging on his 2,000km arctic trip.
125kW peak & holds 100kW for quite a while. I think it was pulling over 60kWs at 80% SoC & 34kWs at 95%.

That's plenty IMO & there's no need for, nor much benefit from, 800v architecture, from a charging perspective anyway.

Agreed - the single point of failure, 50kW DCs dotted around here are ridiculous now. NO progress in the decade since they were installed, save for 6 new 150kW (2x 75kW) units.

Indeed the id.4 is looking very attractive for me but I'm not going to pay 58K to get travel assist, I'd rather pick and choose the options I want.

Most likely now I will probably end up with the 5 seater version of the 77 Kwh ID.3 with Travel assist but loose out on ACC which I think the 77 Kwh could have benefited more from.

I bet the ESB were hoping private companies would take over and they wouldn't have to bother with a roll out of DC chargers or probably offer to buy out the network. One thing for sure is that it was a huge mistake to give them control of the network, they have proved that they are incapable of the responsibility and it's one of my greatest issues with changing to BEV again.

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

VW haven't implemented it yet but it's definitely on the cards that you'll be able to unlock the higher motor power after purchasing

Charging speed might be upgradable as well, which would be nice as you can dodge the VRT you'd pay on a higher spec

Travel assist (autopilot) is unfortunately not an upgradable feature as the car needs more hardware, but possibly in future if they can get the costs down

I haven't heard of this being possible but cool if it can.

I really can't imagine why Travel assist if only available at 56K and not even an option on lower trims.

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

It's a bit of a jump alright but I'd say the hardware cost is quite high

I used to work for a fairly large semiconductor manufacturer who was hoping to get into autonomous cars. The raw computing power required is pretty horrendous, we're talking several micro server chips which cost over a grand each

AFAIK VW is buying in the computing modules from continental, add on some profit margin for the various vendors along the way and it's easy to see where the extra thousands go. VW want to keep that for a higher trim where their profit margin is better to begin with

On top of that there's a major chip shortage worldwide which is affecting car manufacturers and driving up prices

Tesla design their own silicon for their autopilot and contract out the manufacturing, so they've a lot more control over costs which allows them to include autopilot with every car

I've said it before, I believe that Automated Driving is going to end up in the cloud, Microsoft are already working on this as is I'm sure AWS. I can't see proper Fully automated cars without the power of the cloud or unless there's a gigantic leap in computer power.

John arse wrote: »

it has enough for me though,led lights,nav,bumper sensors,19 inch alloys,keyless go,lane assistant,tyre sensors,info pack,cruise control,etc .sure i'd be happy enough but still have get a look and a spin in one!

Be careful with the lane assist as it might not be what you think, travel assist is the one that keeps you in the lane, lane assist just bounces from line to line and doesn't auto steer.

Not sure but I think it's travel assist in the Seat too ?