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  • #152
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    darrenheaphy wrote: »
    Yeah, totally understand it’s my own bad, just annoying. Bit of a pointless post on my part but wanted to rant 😀

    Our meter is in the house in what was the old garage, 9 times out of 10 we miss the guy but I always submit. I heard horror stories of people not realising and suddenly hit with gigantic bills

    On my current level pay I actually keep it above so I have a mini reserve


  • #153
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    When switching, make the effort to pull up the last year's bills and get your useage.

    It will give you a far more accurate comparison (you will also know how close to the " average" you are.

    Eg engeria have the cheapest rates but also the most expensive day standing charge.

    So if you need to take everything into account.


  • #154
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    graememk wrote: »
    When switching, make the effort to pull up the last year's bills and get your useage.

    It will give you a far more accurate comparison (you will also know how close to the " average" you are.

    Eg engeria have the cheapest rates but also the most expensive day standing charge.

    So if you need to take everything into account.


    Absolutely agree, I'm actually in a high usage house with the EV and heat pump (no gass at all) so my annual usage is around 8000 kWh whereas the national average is closer to 3500 kWh as far as I know

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #155
    Redgirl82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Redgirl82


    SO Energia have offered a free Google Home if I stay with them and discounted rate. If I have the time I will call and see what the discounted rate is but whats the bets it isnt as cheap as the new offer


  • #156
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    What's the current VAT? Was it affected with the recent VAT change?


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  • #157
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    JohnC. wrote: »
    What's the current VAT? Was it affected with the recent VAT change?

    Electricity is at 13.5%.
    I believe it was only the top rate of VAT was changed from 23% to 21% so electricity is unchanged.


  • #158
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    That's what I thought but wasn't sure.


  • #159
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why is there such a big difference in standing charges between suppliers?

    My cheapest option said to move to a crowd called Bright Future, never heard of them. But their SC is €118.

    Energia would be the cheapest electricity rates but their SC is €288!


  • #160
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Why is there such a big difference in standing charges between suppliers?

    To confuse you! :)


  • #161
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    How do you go about getting a night rate meter?


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  • #162
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How do you go about getting a night rate meter?

    Phone your current supplier and ask them to switch you over, they'll book in an ESB Networks engineer to make the switch.


  • #163
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    liamog wrote: »
    Phone your current supplier and ask them to switch you over, they'll book in an ESB Networks engineer to make the switch.

    And it's free (unless you're flip flopping between night rate and 24hr rate)


  • #164
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    And it's free (unless you're flip flopping between night rate and 24hr rate)

    Apparently the deal is you get 1 free changeover during the life of the house. I presume that gets reset when the name on the contract changes.

    Basically as long as no one changed to a 24 hour meter recently then it should be free

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #165
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    cruisey1987 wrote: »
    Apparently the deal is you get 1 free changeover during the life of the house. I presume that gets reset when the name on the contract changes.

    Basically as long as no one changed to a 24 hour meter recently then it should be free

    Once you have the digital meter it's a matter of a box ticking exercise on what reading to read on the meter.

    If you already have a digital one it might be a painless switch


  • #166
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Is there much between SSE Airtricity and Energia? Have always known their standing charge to be high


  • #167
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    graememk wrote: »
    Once you have the digital meter it's a matter of a box ticking exercise on what reading to read on the meter.

    If you already have a digital one it might be a painless switch

    I've a digital meter and it was far from painless trying to explain to ESB customer services that they didn't need to install any new hardware :(

    You'd think since they installed the thing they'd have it marked on the system somehow

    The funny part is when the engineer came around, he told me it's just a paperwork exercise and the only thing he did was write instructions on how to take night readings on the meter.

    I told him about the troubles I'd been having and he rolled his eyes, said he had no idea what customer service was on

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #168
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    What I don’t get is why you’d need to revert back to a 24 hour meter if you decided you didn’t want day/night rate anymore....

    I had a day/night meter installed back in February, and one of the readings it gives is ‘Total usage’, and then you see day usage then night usage...

    So why would they need to swap it back to a standard meter if it already gives the same information as a standard meter (total usage).


  • #169
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    What I don’t get is why you’d need to revert back to a 24 hour meter if you decided you didn’t want day/night rate anymore....

    I had a day/night meter installed back in February, and one of the readings it gives is ‘Total usage’, and then you see day usage then night usage...

    So why would they need to swap it back to a standard meter if it already gives the same information as a standard meter (total usage).
    That's the thing, they don't, they just read day night numbers for a final day night bill and then they make a note to read the 24 hr total


  • #170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have the legal right to refuse a smart meter if you don't want/need it.


  • #171
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    What I don’t get is why you’d need to revert back to a 24 hour meter if you decided you didn’t want day/night rate anymore....

    I had a day/night meter installed back in February, and one of the readings it gives is ‘Total usage’, and then you see day usage then night usage...

    So why would they need to swap it back to a standard meter if it already gives the same information as a standard meter (total usage).

    The standing charge is lower on a 24 hour meter right?

    A lot of people still have the old spinny dial meters, you need a second meter for the night meter in that case.

    The newer ones just give you everything, they're a major improvement over the old ones

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • #172
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You have the legal right to refuse a smart meter if you don't want/need it.

    Okay...worried the ESB will be spying on you? ;)

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #173
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    What I don’t get is why you’d need to revert back to a 24 hour meter if you decided you didn’t want day/night rate anymore....

    I had a day/night meter installed back in February, and one of the readings it gives is ‘Total usage’, and then you see day usage then night usage...

    So why would they need to swap it back to a standard meter if it already gives the same information as a standard meter (total usage).

    If you switch back they dont come back out to swap out the meter. Its just a change in your account to read that total figure and not break it out between day/night.
    cruisey1987 wrote: »
    The standing charge is lower on a 24 hour meter right?

    Yes, ~€45 per year.
    cruisey1987 wrote: »
    A lot of people still have the old spinny dial meters, you need a second meter for the night meter in that case.

    Just to clarify, you need a new meter, not a second one, in that case.


  • #174
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Anyone any experience of BE Energy?

    Had a sales rep call to the door to try the hard sell.

    Their rates look very cheap but have to check to see what the catch is.


  • #175
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Anyone any experience of BE Energy?

    Had a sales rep call to the door to try the hard sell.

    Their rates look very cheap but have to check to see what the catch is.

    Energia are cheaper but BE energy are next in line price wise. Standing charge is slightly higher.


  • #176
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The cheapest on Bonkers.ie is actually being listed as Bright Future. Never heard of them.
    Their standing charge is €118.91 !!


  • #177
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The cheapest on Bonkers.ie is actually being listed as Bright Future. Never heard of them.
    Their standing charge is €118.91 !!


    I think they only started up last year, pretty small company from what I can tell.


    I haven't dealt with them myself, but the one thing I'll say about using bonkers is that you need a pretty accurate picture of your consumption, especially if you own an EV or PHEV.


    The average house uses 3500kWh per year, but a house with a heat pump and EV with average mileage will be more like 8000kWh per year.


    For me, Energia are cheapest because they've the lowest rates even though their standing charge is high

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #178
    eagerv
    Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Yes Energia worked out cheaper for us too.
    Did our calculations last March when we just had the Ioniq, now with a second EV it should make even more sense. And we were done at 7.4C/unit night rate.:)


    Have only charged the ID.3 once so far at home for 3 hours with 1200km driven so far, usually drop into Ionity when passing to knock the cobwebs off the nozzles! (Seriously though, have yet to meet another car at Ionity, though usually one car charging at the green yokes..)


  • #179
    Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    eagerv wrote: »
    Seriously though, have yet to meet another car at Ionity, though usually one car charging at the green yokes..

    Not unexpected given Ionity is 64c to 79c/kWh for everyone else :eek:.
    I bet you'd think twice about filling up there if it cost you €47 a go!


  • #180
    jprboy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭jprboy


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Anyone any experience of BE Energy?

    Had a sales rep call to the door to try the hard sell.

    Their rates look very cheap but have to check to see what the catch is.

    Went with them last November as they were the cheapest at the time.

    They quote a Lifford address in correspondence - you should support local :D

    Can't see that there's any catch.

    Will be shopping around for the cheapest competitor over the next few weeks.


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  • #181
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    jprboy wrote: »
    They quote a Lifford address in correspondence - you should support local :D

    On a totally unrelated topic, that actually brings up a good question about business addresses. Since a lot of offices are closed down and employees are working from home, does it make sense for businesses to have an address?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #182
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭daheff


    Have to ask how energy companies can justify different standing charges ? Surely that should be set by regulator (& for their pocket)??


  • #183
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    daheff wrote: »
    Have to ask how energy companies can justify different standing charges ? Surely that should be set by regulator (& for their pocket)??

    It’s to obfuscate the real costs to the home owner in the same way that one company can advertise a 33% discount but still be more expensive than a company offering 25% discount.


  • #184
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Just seen an SSE Airtricity advert and they say they are 100% green energy.

    Is that actually true? Is it even possible?


  • #185
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just seen an SSE Airtricity advert and they say they are 100% green energy.

    Is that actually true? Is it even possible?

    So does a few other companies too

    The grid is like a big bucket with holes in it and the power plants + renewable generation keep it at a ideal level,(frequency, voltage)

    Customers use the electricity and the electricity companies buy it from the producers, if the company only buys electricity marked as green or renewable they can say that they are 100% renewable


  • #186
    JPA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,788 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just seen an SSE Airtricity advert and they say they are 100% green energy.

    Is that actually true? Is it even possible?

    They have been from the start. The clue is in their name. Energia is now as well and others.


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  • #187
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just seen an SSE Airtricity advert and they say they are 100% green energy.

    Is that actually true? Is it even possible?

    Sort of... but it doesn't mean your house is getting electricity from renewable sources

    The truth is how you pay for electricity is a bit of an abstraction from the true market. In reality the price is constantly fluctuating, so your supplier is basically trying to average out the prices over a year.

    As far as I can tell, your supplier buys electricity from a generator at an agreed price, based on what the wholesale rate of electricity is at that time.

    Your supplier can choose to only buy power from renewable sources, so they're technically only supplying renewable energy to the grid.

    Where it gets tricky is that renewables are typically called non-dispatchable power, which means you can't order them to produce electricity on demand. It's often been the argument against renewables that they produce energy at times when demand is low. This argument is mostly BS, but there's a small grain of truth in it.

    Typically peak demand is met by gas power plants, which are very inefficient when used in this manner. Thankfully there's more battery storage coming online.

    So basically, even though you might be buying electricity from wind and solar farms, there's no way for your supplier to 'route' that electricity to your house. Once electricity is on the grid, it's all the same, it's largely just meeting electricity demand.

    You are however supporting the development of renewable energy by using one of these suppliers, so that's a plus

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #188
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,991 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So bottom line is you're likely NOT to be getting 100% renewable energy despite their marketing spiel?


  • #189
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    NIMAN wrote: »
    So bottom line is you're likely NOT to be getting 100% renewable energy despite their marketing spiel?

    Bottom line is that electricity is electricity, once it's on the grid it's all the same.

    The difference is how your money is being spent, whether it's being paid to a wind farm or to a gas power plant.

    So it's not total garbage, you're supporting renewables, even if the electricity to your house isn't coming directly from them

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #190
    3d4life
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭3d4life


    Dont overlook https://www.dugganbrothers.ie/project/energy-storage-units-lumcloon-shannonbridge/ . More of less Turlough Hill using batteries :)


  • #191
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    3d4life wrote: »
    Dont overlook https://www.dugganbrothers.ie/project/energy-storage-units-lumcloon-shannonbridge/ . More of less Turlough Hill using batteries :)

    How many millions is that plant in lumcloon costing? Why is another turlough hill type system not employed? It would last 50 60 plus years where as this battery type way of storing power will have 25 year max lifespan.
    Can anyone explain please.


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  • #192
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,890 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    richie123 wrote: »
    How many millions is that plant in lumcloon costing? Why is another turlough hill type system not employed? It would last 50 60 plus years where as this battery type way of storing power will have 25 year max lifespan.
    Can anyone explain please.

    Because with another pumped hydro (which I'm in favour of) you'd flood some chaps field and the public wouldn't stand for that type of thing.

    Again, I'm in favour of pumped hydro, I think they should still tunnels vertically through the Wicklow mountains and pump in water from poulaphouca reservoir when there's excess wind or solar power

    Batteries are probably better for short term peak power because their response time is very fast. Pumped hydro for long term peak power because it's cheapest

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #193
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I'm looking at switching providers now that the ID3 is arriving.

    At the moment I'm with Electric Ireland on their Value Reward Tariff. At the moment we average around €150 per bill. We have a digital meter which I think can do two daya nd night rates but I'm not 100% sure.

    Our unit rate excluding vat is 16.93c, the standing charge is 53.26 per day and we get 5.5% discount.

    Is there a comparison tool that will let me compare my daily rate with a dual rate?


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    I'm looking at switching providers now that the ID3 is arriving.

    At the moment I'm with Electric Ireland on their Value Reward Tariff. At the moment we average around €150 per bill. We have a digital meter which I think can do two daya nd night rates but I'm not 100% sure.

    Our unit rate excluding vat is 16.93c, the standing charge is 53.26 per day and we get 5.5% discount.

    Is there a comparison tool that will let me compare my daily rate with a dual rate?

    Energia are the cheapest.


  • #195
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Energia are the cheapest.

    Bit of a sweeping statement....

    Enter your current supplier/deal and usage at www.bonkers.ie


  • #196
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Energia are the cheapest.

    I've been meaning to switch for years but kept putting it off. May have a proper look later. Do you know what the name of the energia tariff is?


  • #197
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Bit of a sweeping statement....

    Enter your current supplier/deal and usage at www.bonkers.ie

    I had a look but I couldn't see how to compare a daily rate to a day/night rate.


  • #198
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    I had a look but I couldn't see how to compare a daily rate to a day/night rate.

    You'll need to do two quotes as one tariff probably won't be cheapest for both scenarios.

    If looking at night rate consider how much you will be working from home (dearer unit price), for us it wasn't worth switching to a night rate setup.

    Moved from an ultra cheap electric ireland plan that is no longer available to Flogas. About €400 (incl €250 cash back) better off for the next year compared to the roll off EI rate).


  • #199
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    I've been meaning to switch for years but kept putting it off. May have a proper look later. Do you know what the name of the energia tariff is?

    It's in there if you know where to look but their rates are this, inc VAT

    14.22c/kWh Day
    6.83c/kWh Night


  • #200
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    You'll need to do two quotes as one tariff probably won't be cheapest for both scenarios.

    If looking at night rate consider how much you will be working from home (dearer unit price), for us it wasn't worth switching to a night rate setup.

    Moved from an ultra cheap electric ireland plan that is no longer available to Flogas. About €400 (incl €250 cash back) better off for the next year compared to the roll off EI rate).

    When I looked at Bonkers the energia day rate shown was 1-2c cheaper than our current daily rate. Night rate was 6-7c.


  • #201
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    I'm looking at switching providers now that the ID3 is arriving.

    At the moment I'm with Electric Ireland on their Value Reward Tariff. At the moment we average around €150 per bill. We have a digital meter which I think can do two daya nd night rates but I'm not 100% sure.

    Our unit rate excluding vat is 16.93c, the standing charge is 53.26 per day and we get 5.5% discount.

    Is there a comparison tool that will let me compare my daily rate with a dual rate?

    You need to be shooting for 14c/7c inc vat inc discounts for day/night.


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