Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Capital Gains

I looked up the rulebook just to get some clarification on this. This is what I found:

1.9 Provided that he has at least one foot on the ground, a player may make a shoulder to shoulder charge on an opponent- (a) who is in possession of the ball, or (b) who is playing the ball, or (c) when both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it.

Only a shoulder to shoulder charge is permitted according to the rule book anyway.

Small didn't even have a foul awarded against him. I wonder if he'll face any sanctions post match?

I hope so to be honest, player safety has to be of upmost importance at the end of the day.

There are various videos going around. That one doesnt do Small any favours. It was not a shoulder to the jaw. The impact at pace caused his shoulder to go up, thats physics and contrary to O'Mahonys comment they were both slightly crouched.

Lads it time to take my grandfather’s advice as posted earlier. Some lads are getting the horn due to a Dublin defeat, says a lot more about them than any Dublin player or supporters here. Time to hit the button and stop feeding.

You can dig away and you will find it. That what you linked was not the original angle nor the angle any official had. That came about when a few people (pundits) were howling for blood.

There is a thing called fairness in how we analyse these incidents of any GAA player but this is nothing but a witch hunt against Small and the greatest team to play the game. Begrudgery as my late mother would say is the biggest killer of Irish people.

Night all. Work at 5am

The video isn't edited or anything. It just shows what happened. We don't want players receiving broken jaws going out onto a football pitch. It's important that it's stamped out. If it was a Dublin player on the receiving end the same calls would be made. Shoulders to the jaw, elbows, punches, whatever, it's important to show that those types of acts are not welcome in Gaelic Games.

Feck it yeah forgot about the moving Howard to the half forwards option. Put McCarthy in the middle. I would drop one of C'OC or Kilkenny.

I think the two half forwards on either side of whoever plays either side of the CHF should be nippy players. Because that way whoever plays (11) C'O'C or CK are suddenly very dangerous. I see Paddy Small more of a full forward type of fella move him out of the half forwards. I would say poor auld Costello will end up losing his place as well. He just slows it down and since Rock is on frees is he needed?

Going by their antics in losing at the weekend, and their historical 'edge', Dublin could do with a Values and Behaviours coach themselves. Or has Bernard Dunne left his role too?

The irony of a Dub fan scrutinising the depth of another county's backroom team when they seem to have started the fad.

Were you watching the Dublin games this year? Ciaran Kilkenny has played majority of football at full forward and Con was centre forward for most games this year. Kilkenny got 0-13 Con 1-5(very low by his high standards). While CK played well it was very obvious Con was at centre forward was not working out. Dessie failure to change this was one of key reasons we lost. Kilkenny is our most important forward as we need his leadership out the field. That his first championship defeat in 9 years. Con is our biggest goal threat yet he was deployed 40/50 yard from our goal. Bugler will be fit next year. Need look at likes of James Doran, Mark Lavin, and Lorcan O'Dell as options as half forwards next year.

He'll be picked on reputation alone. Not fairly mind you.

I find it interesting how it elicited such a reaction from a Wexford man, who decides to comment on a Dublin GAA thread in a match their county was not participating in.

Which to me mean one of two things;

1) You either have a secret grá for Dublin GAA

2) You have a bit of dislike for Dublin GAA

I would surmise it is the latter, as in your post above you put the word 'edge' in quotation marks. And also used the word antics, to imply it was out of the ordinary and never seen before. But the truth is there was nothing much different seen in that game of football than anyone would ever have seen in a Gaelic Football match. The game was not a really nasty one, despite attempts by some to create a narrative that it was. More messy than anything, not helped by the referee.

Also implicit in your word choice is dismissal of the Dublin football team and questioning their character off the pitch. Which is a usual tactic by many non-Dub GAA followers who look for a new angle to dislike them. There is a lot of the same tired narrative by non-Dubs with gripes about Dublin

'Dublin are boring, machines, show no emotion', 'no skill', or the best one 'when they are gracious they are insincere' (Jim Gavin) 'false humility' is/was the phrase some use . Now the narrative is 'the dirty dubs', the previous narrative in the 00's was Dublin were a soft touch and could be 'got' at. Depending on the best way of sullying the Dublin team at any particular time/era one of those particular narratives is trotted out. Not to mention other issues which consume the minds of fine country men in between the milking of cows - so 'the offshoot' Dublin threads created for their amusement on boards.ie where there is little nuance in the narrative. It is all designed to diminish Dublin's achievements, that is the sole goal for many.

Simply put it is all begrudgery. I understand it people want to take the top dogs down. That is human nature. In contrast no-one gives a damn about serial losers they are no threat, they are no benchmark to measure a team against.

As regards my comments on the Mayo backroom team it was a question as to what a 'values and behaviours coach' does or is as I had never seen the term. And, as I had not seen it before it therefore stood out a mile on the page.

So I thought posing the question to supporters of that county would shed some light on the term for me. And I also referenced the attitude to posters from other counties in those threads (such as a the Mayo one) versus the Dublin thread. Normally those other threads have fair less activity than the Dublin thread. And it is not just because of population, it is because most GAA supporters like yourself want to see what the fans of the best team in the history of Men's Football think about their county and what is going on. The Dublin GAA thread is used to having outsiders from other county's come in. In other county's threads outsiders are ran out of it. Or at the minimum discouraged.

Other GAA boards county threads are akin to the country pub. Heads turned sideways as the stranger walks in. A bit of a 'parish pub' mentality, Meanwhile the Dublin thread echoes real life. Country people are drawn to Dublin for the action and buzz. Dublin people are well used to it is much more cosmopolitan its mindset. What is shining through in this thread is the lazy country view of Dublin as a county in general = rough. 'The dirty Dubs crimeline' and so on.

It is funny to see.There is that undercurrent in the current narrative about John Small and another poster even threw his brother into the mix for good measure. And believe another phrase in the narrative that has just been used by the same poster was a reference to the 'mask slipping'.

It is very clear what is meant by that underlying narrative. Yet there is many a hurling game with even beyond the same level of hard hitting in Munster for instance. And it is described as 'passion', or 'a great advertisement for hurling' and so on. The same with Ulster football the pundits used to eulogise about the 'passion' and so on. Tyrone v Armagh in the 00's etc. But when Dublin have some players who play a physical game, suddenly the narrative changes. A questioning of Dublin's moral fibre and character.

With regard to the image in question was from the 2020 AIF Final match programme in which my county Dublin participated in. Which is the reason I brought the programme. It was not 'scrutinising the Mayo backroom team' merely reading the programme, which I paid for. I don't skip pages, I like to get the full value and read it all. Otherwise what is the point in buying a match programme?

The real irony here you are a Wexford fan (which is really a hurling county) are scrutinising a Dublin's supporter's post who questioned a phrase in a football match programme his county participated in. On a Dublin GAA thread.

It at least tells me one thing you seem far more interested in Dublin than I would ever be in Wexford, for instance. It shows that the interest in Dublin GAA is massive. Which is good for the GAA and good for Dublin GAA.. I have even seen Colm O'Rourke at packed Dublin Club Football Finals. Would Dublin people travel to Meath Club Finals, I am not so sure?

Whether you are born and bred in Dublin, outside Dublin. or from another county living in Dublin. It is shown by the massive level of interest non-Dubs have in this Dublin thread. I am not sure I was even in the Wexford GAA thread much at all if ever. Or if I could find Castletown on a Wexford map. I assume it is one of those places that are bypassed by the motorway?

To be honest, the only thing I would ever hear about Wexford is the latest Davy Fitz rant. Otherwise I wouldn't pay much heed. Since he is gone, the mention of Wexford for me now has most chance of registering when there is mention of strawberries.

The real irony is - that many non Dublin supporters come to gripe about Dublin GAA from all sorts of angles. The truth is because Dublin is box office. It will be known as having the best Men's Gaelic Football Team in the history of the GAA that revolutionised the game.

To paraphrase former Wexford Hurling Manager Davy Fitz -' Dublin have lead Two Pivotal Gaelic Games Revolution's, Wexford have done f**k all.'

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