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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • #202
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    There was a software patch as such that reduced thermal throttling so now you can rapid charge 3 times in day in excess of ~35kw depending on a few factors but the Rapidgate stigma has stuck. Most Leaf owners including myself do not do the daily mileage that you need to get rapidgate symptoms so its only a small percentage who experience it. It would be difficult to trigger rapidgate in Ireland given our size and climate.


  • #203
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    krissovo wrote: »

    Ok. Thanks. So this was on the leaf release in 2018/19 yeah.

    Was there ever a fix or recall etc done for it?

    Leaf has no battery cooling, so to protect the battery it slows down fast charging when hot. On very long trips like London to Scotland, where you need more than one rapid charge speed to charge is slower on second charge. They 'fixed' the issue by allowing battery to overheat more, which damages it, but it kept the moaning long distance drivers happy.

    It is very unlikely that an Irish driver would notice it, due to size of country, but leaf still charges slower than other cars like Ioniq on a rapid charger. It may also mean high mileage cars imported from UK may have more wear on battery compared to cars that have active forced air or liquid battery cooling. The aim of slowing charge was to increase battery life, but charging 3 fast charges on one long trip became unbearable for some UK users. Same applies to newest leaf with larger battery, but larger battery is less likely to need multiple fast charges in a row. Active cooling would have fixed the root cause, but for some reason it does not have it. At least the leaf does quite honestly display battery degredation on the battery charge display so you can see older cars have less than 100% of new battery capacity.


  • #204
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Pretty crap for 800v? Only 337a.

    Model 3 peak (250kW) charges at much higher amperage.

    It is

    Easing it in I would say
    Elon Musk on Twitter: "Model S on Nürburgring next week"

    I love this :)

    Competition

    The new Raven Model S P100D could be a surprise around the ring

    Will it beat Porsche, probably not

    70+ corners on the ring


  • #205
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    Screen-Shot-2019-09-05-at-1.11.30-PM.jpg?resize=1024,527


    https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-3-best-selling-cars-uk/


  • #206
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Will it beat Porsche, probably not

    70+ corners on the ring

    Our American friends have only just recently realised that cars can & should go around corners fast, both left & right corners :P

    Not a chance a Tesla would beat a porsche on the ring......Yet!


  • #207
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    krissovo wrote: »
    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    Screen-Shot-2019-09-05-at-1.11.30-PM.jpg?resize=1024,527


    https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-3-best-selling-cars-uk/

    Crazy stats alright

    It's only going one way

    See the VW e-UP with 32kWh and 260km range is coming early next year in UK for £16,000

    That's the kind of price and range that is needed to electrify everything

    Hope we get it here

    €18,000 and 260km range would be amazing, even if it's a very small car

    https://pushevs.com/2019/09/05/volkswagen-e-up-has-its-price-announced/


  • #208
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sure is, have you a deposit down?


  • #209
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    krissovo wrote: »
    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    UK government pulled the PHEV grant completely overnight last Oct. Thats mainly why PHEV has dropped over there which is fine as long as there are BEV's to buy.... at least they are getting Model 3's!


  • #210
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    I believe BEV sales are up either 160 or 180% on last year.


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  • #211
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    MHEV! Never heard of that before. Any examples of what cars this could be? Shame to see MHEV diesels going up though.

    My understanding:
    Hybrid has a small battery powered by regenerative tech, and can run on the battery alone at low speeds.
    MHEV is it's a Hybrid that can't run on battery alone.
    PHEV has a slightly bigger battery, can be charged at a charging station etc, and can run on battery power alone, with an ICE for longer range/power.
    BEV all battery, no dinosaur juice.


  • #212
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    MHEV is the mild hybrids isnt it. They are diesel but I didnt think they where selling already? VW will have a big push on these next year


  • #213
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    I believe BEV sales are up either 160 or 180% on last year.

    165.55% is the latest from beepbeep.
    Hyundai have nearly sold as many electrics this year(1071), as all the electric cars sold in 2018 (1077).

    Dublin added further 1250 electric cars this year. No wonder I hear people complain about charger availability.


  • #214
    krissovo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    I rented a Mercedes C Class MHEV a few months ago in the UK, basically it's alternator becomes a motor and assists the car from time to time. I had a look into the tech at the time, its cheap, 48 volts and its possible to retro fit older cars.

    Did absolutely nothing for the fuel economy from what I could tell with my "normal" driving.


  • #215
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Sure is, have you a deposit down?

    They won't sell them here

    We getting none of the affordable EVs from VW family

    Citigo, é-Up, Mii


  • #216
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    krissovo wrote: »
    I rented a Mercedes C Class MHEV a few months ago in the UK, basically it's alternator becomes a motor and assists the car from time to time. I had a look into the tech at the time, its cheap, 48 volts and its possible to retro fit older cars.

    Did absolutely nothing for the fuel economy from what I could tell with my "normal" driving.

    Pluggin Hybrid diesel are amazing though

    Mercedes have 13.5kWh models that do over 50km on electric and 2.0 diesel does 5l/100km


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  • #217
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Pluggin Hybrid diesel are amazing though

    Diesel and Plugin hybrid together dont make sense to me.

    Diesel needs to get up to temp to be any way efficient. PHEV is all about turning the engine off as much as possible. I dont get it.

    If you want PHEV it needs to be with petrol and you can get 5l/100km from a petrol PHEV on a long journey no problem.


  • #218
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Pluggin Hybrid diesel are amazing though

    Mercedes have 13.5kWh models that do over 50km on electric and 2.0 diesel does 5l/100km
    Do they sell them here? Can't see any on donedeal. I'd like that tbh, PHEV for city and short motorway journeys, efficient diesel for longer motorway trips


  • #219
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Pluggin Hybrid diesel are amazing though

    Mercedes have 13.5kWh models that do over 50km on electric and 2.0 diesel does 5l/100km


    Don't see the point of that....mild hybrid makes a bit of sense for diesel but PHEV seems silly to me....


  • #220
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    They won't sell them here

    We getting none of the affordable EVs from VW family

    Citigo, é-Up, Mii


    Why wouldn't we? All of the VW dealers are now certified, or the majority are.


  • #221
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Do they sell them here? Can't see any on donedeal. I'd like that tbh, PHEV for city and short motorway journeys, efficient diesel for longer motorway trips

    Of course

    We get nothing here

    About €45,000 all in for 191 É Class

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201908291630156?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2019&postcode=m52ty&sort=price-asc&page=1&price-from=500&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&fuel-type=Hybrid%20%E2%80%93%20Diesel%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used


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  • #222
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why wouldn't we? All of the VW dealers are now certified, or the majority are.

    Saw in on speakev, said Northern Ireland only for all 3

    I believe we never got original electric é-Up and Skoda mailed me that they won't be selling Citigo EV

    I would bet we won't be getting here


  • #223
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Saw in on speakev, said Northern Ireland only for all 3

    I believe we never got original electric é-Up and Skoda mailed me that they won't be selling Citigo EV

    I would bet we won't be getting here


    No idea on Skoda but VW Ireland have invested in all the dealers. Sure when the eGolf came out none of them sold it here. Even up till last year you only had 2 garages selling eGolf and now majority do....Kia didnt sell electric or PHEV here either, I know when I talked to them 18 month or so ago they said they probably wouldnt because the Irish buyer only wanted diesel....market has changed now....


  • #224
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Don't see the point of that....mild hybrid makes a bit of sense for diesel but PHEV seems silly to me....

    How so?

    Seems good to me

    Its for long trips, not city driving

    Long trips petrol is too thirsty, diesel is much more efficient and 10c a litre cheaper

    On a 150km journey, the diesel Mercedes could do 1/3 the journey on electric and 5 litres of diesel for the rest

    Petrol would take way more


  • #225
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    How so?

    Seems good to me

    Its for long trips, not city driving

    Long trips petrol is too thirsty, diesel is much more efficient and 10c a litre cheaper

    On a 150km journey, the diesel Mercedes could do 1/3 the journey on electric and 5 litres of diesel for the rest

    Petrol would take way more

    Not true... 5.xl/100km is no problem at 120km/h in a petrol PHEV.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111052681&postcount=106


    With a PHEV you want the engine to run as little as possible but you also want it to fire up when you want that boost in power (even for short drives... overtaking for example)... asking a diesel engine to do that on demand makes no sense to me. Diesel needs to be up to temp, otherwise you are looking at poor efficiency and probably emissions issues with DPF's etc.


  • #226
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    KCross wrote: »
    Not true... 5.xl/100km is no problem at 120km/h in a petrol PHEV.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111052681&postcount=106


    With a PHEV you want the engine to run as little as possible but you also want it to fire up when you want that boost in power (even for short drives... overtaking for example)... asking a diesel engine to do that on demand makes no sense to me. Diesel needs to be up to temp, otherwise you are looking at poor efficiency and probably emissions issues with DPF's etc.

    True but that's a weak little low power petrol engine

    That Mercedes pulls like a train in comparison, far more powerful and still just as efficient


  • #227
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No idea on Skoda but VW Ireland have invested in all the dealers. Sure when the eGolf came out none of them sold it here. Even up till last year you only had 2 garages selling eGolf and now majority do....Kia didnt sell electric or PHEV here either, I know when I talked to them 18 month or so ago they said they probably wouldnt because the Irish buyer only wanted diesel....market has changed now....

    Hope your right

    A 260km é-UP would make a fantastic first EV for people


  • #228
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    How so?

    Seems good to me

    Its for long trips, not city driving

    Long trips petrol is too thirsty, diesel is much more efficient and 10c a litre cheaper

    On a 150km journey, the diesel Mercedes could do 1/3 the journey on electric and 5 litres of diesel for the rest

    Petrol would take way more


    The 10c a litre is planned to be removed.



    Petrol is not thirsty either for long trips. That myth is a long time debunked. Diesel is efficient if you use the engine on a long trip, how would it work with the hybrid constantly cutting in and out?



    Unless you plan to just burn the electric range and then just use the diesel for the rest of trip without hybrid at all? whats the point of that?



    You are paying for a battery plus an electric motor, charge point etc just to take what 50 c off a trip? the TCO would be terrible.....plus you are carrying around the weight of the battery which means you now burn more diesel


    To me, stupid idea


  • #229
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    True but that's a weak little low power petrol engine

    That Mercedes pulls like a train in comparison, far more powerful and still just as efficient


    The weight of the battery alone would mean it is not as efficient.....


    Weight is the biggest issue with cars and fuel economy. A 13kWh battery is not light and neither is a merc to start with.


  • #230
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The 10c a litre is planned to be removed.



    Petrol is not thirsty either for long trips. That myth is a long time debunked. Diesel is efficient if you use the engine on a long trip, how would it work with the hybrid constantly cutting in and out?



    Unless you plan to just burn the electric range and then just use the diesel for the rest of trip without hybrid at all? whats the point of that?



    You are paying for a battery plus an electric motor, charge point etc just to take what 50 c off a trip? the TCO would be terrible.....plus you are carrying around the weight of the battery which means you now burn more diesel


    To me, stupid idea

    In my case

    I would use electric all week and diesel for long trips at the weekend

    Using up all battery on long trip, then let engine kick in, maybe charge somewhere if I stop

    Its not suited to small Kias etc, but for big Mercedes, Audi etc think it can work

    They are going to offer X5 with 24kWh battery and 2.0 diesel in 2021, that would suit well

    Think Germans will try it anyway


  • #231
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    True but that's a weak little low power petrol engine

    That Mercedes pulls like a train in comparison, far more powerful and still just as efficient

    Im not really saying the Niro is competition for that Merc from a performance perspective!

    Just saying petrol can give you "diesel like" efficiency now with the right engine and hybrid/battery suporting it. As a technology it makes more sense to marry batteries and petrol than batteries and diesel... imo.

    Nothing stopping the manufacturers upping the power of a petrol PHEV to match that Merc and still have decent efficiency.


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  • #232
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    KCross wrote: »
    Im not really saying the Niro is competition for that Merc from a performance perspective!

    Just saying petrol can give you "diesel like" efficiency now with the right engine and hybrid/battery suporting it. As a technology it makes more sense to marry batteries and petrol than batteries and diesel... imo.

    Nothing stopping the manufacturers upping the power of a petrol PHEV to match that Merc and still have decent efficiency.

    Your probably right, think the people driving those Mercs would prefer the big diesel and battery vs petrol/battery, even if savings are minimal

    From my own experience a big diesel at higher speeds 140/150 is much efficient than any petrol, thats what speeds those execs cruise at


  • #233
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    In my case

    I would use electric all week and diesel for long trips at the weekend

    Using up all battery on long trip, then let engine kick in, maybe charge somewhere if I stop

    Its not suited to small Kias etc, but for big Mercedes, Audi etc think it can work

    They are going to offer X5 with 24kWh battery and 2.0 diesel in 2021, that would suit well

    Think Germans will try it anyway


    Seem silly to me. Your carting around a big diesel engine, an electric motor and a big battery for what? the range of the electric would be reduced because of the weight


    Then on a "long" trip you are carting around a huge battery to save what 20c on the initial start of the trip? you would need to burn an extra 5 euro or more diesel to propel the car over the distance compared to a standard diesel


    As I said, seems stupid to me.....



    If you only need 30km of range during the week then what do you need a combustion engine for?


  • #234
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Your probably right, think the people driving those Mercs would prefer the big diesel and battery vs petrol/battery, even if savings are minimal

    From my own experience a big diesel at higher speeds 140/150 is much efficient than any petrol, thats what speeds those execs cruise at

    I don't understand these savings?



    Battery = weight


    Do a 200km trip in a diesel and then do the same trip in a PHEV diesel and you will burn a hell of a lot more fuel. 20-30km of battery at the start will provide no savings over the course of the journey


  • #235
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I don't understand these savings?



    Battery = weight


    Do a 200km trip in a diesel and then do the same trip in a PHEV diesel and you will burn a hell of a lot more fuel. 20-30km of battery at the start will provide no savings over the course of the journey

    Its for people that don't want a BEV yet and hassle of crap charging network

    If every service station in the country had a charger I would also say stupid idea

    Network is what the government should getting right, short range EV would do 99% population then

    Try to go Galway-Dublin return in any EV and you have to really on the crap network

    No Ionity or even Tesla charger in Galway I believe, probably have to stop in Athlone once or twice

    Checked ESB one there and half Galway ones are either broke or in use


  • #236
    ethernet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭ethernet


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Try to go Galway-Dublin return in any EV and you have to really on the crap network
    I think that's one of the better routes no (at least east side) - especially with Easy Go in the mix.
    No Ionity or even Tesla charger in Galway I believe, probably have to stop in Athlone once or twice
    Tesla plans to install superchargers in Athenry.


  • #237
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its for people that don't want a BEV yet and hassle of crap charging network

    If every service station in the country had a charger I would also say stupid idea

    Network is what the government should getting right, short range EV would do 99% population then

    Try to go Galway-Dublin return in any EV and you have to really on the crap network

    No Ionity or even Tesla charger in Galway I believe, probably have to stop in Athlone once or twice

    Checked ESB one there and half Galway ones are either broke or in use

    What has the charging network got to do with a diesel PHEV?


  • #238
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    In my case

    I would use electric all week and diesel for long trips at the weekend

    Using up all battery on long trip, then let engine kick in, maybe charge somewhere if I stop

    Its not suited to small Kias etc, but for big Mercedes, Audi etc think it can work

    They are going to offer X5 with 24kWh battery and 2.0 diesel in 2021, that would suit well

    Think Germans will try it anyway


    I'd love that, would ahve the x5 40e now except it only has 20km range at best


  • #239
    redcup342
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Its for people that don't want a BEV yet and hassle of crap charging network

    If every service station in the country had a charger I would also say stupid idea

    Network is what the government should getting right, short range EV would do 99% population then

    Try to go Galway-Dublin return in any EV and you have to really on the crap network

    No Ionity or even Tesla charger in Galway I believe, probably have to stop in Athlone once or twice

    Checked ESB one there and half Galway ones are either broke or in use

    Would make zero sense, Diesel engines are way too heavy to cart around, 24kw battery wouldn't get you very far.

    You'd just be better off buying a cheap second hand diesel if your goal is to save money.


  • #240
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    redcup342 wrote: »
    Would make zero sense, Diesel engines are way too heavy to cart around, 24kw battery wouldn't get you very far.

    You'd just be better off buying a cheap second hand diesel if your goal is to save money.
    *kWh


    And it would get me my whole 65-70km commute to work and then some, I'd guess


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  • #241
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    *kWh


    And it would get me my whole 65-70km commute to work and then some, I'd guess

    Someone gets it :)

    X5 could commute to work for most people all week and at the weekend it can do what its designed to do and go on 300-400km family trips on it's big diesel engine


  • #242
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    ELM327 wrote: »
    *kWh


    And it would get me my whole 65-70km commute to work and then some, I'd guess

    I doubt it with the weight of it....

    Would the weight even be allowed in a vehicle like that?


  • #243
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I doubt it with the weight of it....

    Would the weight even be allowed in a vehicle like that?

    Weight isn't as relevant in an EV

    Tesla Model S is the weight of a boat and very efficient

    20kWh useable will do 65-70km in an X5


  • #244
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Weight isn't as relevant in an EV

    Tesla Model S is the weight of a boat and very efficient

    20kWh useable will do 65-70km in an X5


    Yes in an electric.....but its not an electric

    Its a PHEV, weight is hugely important for a combustion engine. I would doubt a 20kWh would get 65-70km in an X5.....a petrol X5 is 2400kg. Stick a 20kWh and motor in on top of that and what would it end up at?

    Years and years companies have been trying to remove weight for the combustion engine to reduce fuel

    Now we are talking about loading in more weight to do what exactly? your ltr/100km will go through the roof so a couple of km on electric will be pointless


  • #245
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    My wife saw the latest unreleased model from Elon Musk being tested around Dublin 15!

    7LrUEOq.jpg


  • #246
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Very detailed breakdown down of Porsche Taycan tech for the geeks

    https://jalopnik.com/an-extremely-detailed-look-at-the-porsche-taycans-engin-1837802533


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  • #247
    The Black Oil
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    Don't scoop and scoot, folks...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-xDA2vv-_c

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #248
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Silent Running wrote: »
    McGiver wrote: »
    Agree with the other replies and I'd also like to stress that free public charging infrastructure is an anomaly AFAIK, it's not normal anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.

    Few countries I'm acquainted with, with both less and more developed EV markets, have vast majority of their chargers privately owned and paid. Not publicl/government owned and free.

    The whole free public charging infrastructure in Ireland is very unusual and almost a sort of a Socialist experiment (which mostly failed based on the consensus in the community).

    There are some free level 2 and level 3 public chargers in the UK.
    My point is that vast majority of chargers in other countries are paid. Free chargers are few % of the total tops.


  • #249
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Yes in an electric.....but its not an electric

    Its a PHEV, weight is hugely important for a combustion engine. I would doubt a 20kWh would get 65-70km in an X5.....a petrol X5 is 2400kg. Stick a 20kWh and motor in on top of that and what would it end up at?

    Years and years companies have been trying to remove weight for the combustion engine to reduce fuel

    Now we are talking about loading in more weight to do what exactly? your ltr/100km will go through the roof so a couple of km on electric will be pointless


    A petrol X5 may be 2400kg, what's a model X,2500kg? That still manages ~20kWh/100km
    Assuming the BMW drivetrain will be less efficient, that still leaves 80 EV km.


    Weight is not the issue with EVs that it is for fossil fuel cars.


    70km gets me to work. Charge up and 70km gets me home. Rinse and repeat.
    I get to own a 2.5t diesel X5 with all the capabilities that brings but without burning even a gallon of diesel during the week


  • #250
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    A petrol X5 may be 2400kg, what's a model X,2500kg? That still manages ~20kWh/100km
    Assuming the BMW drivetrain will be less efficient, that still leaves 80 EV km.


    Weight is not the issue with EVs that it is for fossil fuel cars.


    70km gets me to work. Charge up and 70km gets me home. Rinse and repeat.
    I get to own a 2.5t diesel X5 with all the capabilities that brings but without burning even a gallon of diesel during the week

    Your going to love this one

    Diesel Mercedes PHEV with 31kWh battery and 20 min DC charging

    https://www.motor1.com/news/369541/2020-mercedes-gle-350de-revealed/


  • #251
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Your going to love this one

    Diesel Mercedes PHEV with 31kWh battery and 20 min DC charging

    https://www.motor1.com/news/369541/2020-mercedes-gle-350de-revealed/


    Now we're talkin!
    A diesel that can take CCS :D:D And people thought the outlander was bad :D:D:D

    At least it charges at a respectable speed
    "With a maximum DC charge rate of 60kW, Mercedes-Benz claims a recharge time of approximately 30min."


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