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Random EV thoughts.....

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    #182
    JPA
    Registered Users Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    You'll have to smash the piggy bank for that one.


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    #183
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,708 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Porsche Taycan

    What a car

    93kWh
    0-200 9.8secs
    450km range
    0-160-0 10.0 secs
    270kW charging

    Putting a deposit on this :)

    https://www.evspecifications.com/en/news/536b182
    Pretty crap for 800v? Only 337a.

    Model 3 peak (250kW) charges at much higher amperage.


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    #184
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    I don’t mean people who already have one (as they seem to be for it). I mean the standard joe soap.


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    #185
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    I don’t mean people who already have one (as they seem to be for it). I mean the standard joe soap.


    No....it will still be cheaper than diesel/petrol. Plus 90% of people wont need to use charge points on a daily basis.....


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    #186
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    JPA wrote: »
    You'll have to smash the piggy bank for that one.

    I believe the loan of a JCB is the preferred method.


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    #187
    krissovo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    It should have the opposite effect as taxi drivers with 2 Leaf’s, tight arses who hog the charge points squeezing every drop of juice out of the charger & PHEV’s should free up them up to perform their intended function of a quick charge.


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    #188
    redcup342
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    I don’t mean people who already have one (as they seem to be for it). I mean the standard joe soap.

    Nope, it's already pay charging in Holland and everyone still wants to go electric, for many reasons other than just cost.

    Paid charging and enforcing parking rules actually stops people from taking the pi%%


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    #189
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    Unlikely. It's sure to be spun that way in the media, just as "queuing for an hour at the fast charger" is the current excuse for why Ireland isn't ready for EVs. There's always some fanatical reason why not to buy an EV, when in reality a home owner will just charge at home.

    Apartment and terrace owners have my sympathy though. Charges will mean they won't save half as much as those who charge at home, and they'll have no convenience factor either, quite the opposite.


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    #190
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Any Idea as to when paying for public charging will actually be live here?

    Wonder what will the coating be like. Fast charge V standard charge etc.


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    #191
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Any Idea as to when paying for public charging will actually be live here?

    Wonder what will the coating be like. Fast charge V standard charge etc.

    Standard charging will be free for a while

    As discussed above, most people won’t move to electric because of the charging system....it is full of tight arses who would prefer to sit in a car for 30-60 mins to save a euro instead of charging at home

    Once they have to pay for it then it will free up the system for the actual people that need it

    Also a fine for overstays would be great as people fecking off for 3 hours is a huge problem at fast chargers as well


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    #192
    babybuilder
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    The charging infrastructure is crap if your travelling outside the car's range. Most of the time I've been caught going to Dublin has been faulty chargers. Paying for charging is ok as long as they increase the number of charge points.


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    #193
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Standard charging will be free for a while

    As discussed above, most people won’t move to electric because of the charging system....it is full of tight arses who would prefer to sit in a car for 30-60 mins to save a euro instead of charging at home

    Once they have to pay for it then it will free up the system for the actual people that need it

    Also a fine for overstays would be great as people fecking off for 3 hours is a huge problem at fast chargers as well


    As in the 22kw be free?
    A while being a few months is it?


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    #194
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    As in the 22kw be free?
    A while being a few months is it?


    I think next year, more people will know. I dont use the system at all....


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    #195
    McGiver
    Registered Users Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭McGiver


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    Will the introduction of paying for public charging put people off buying electric cars?

    I don’t mean people who already have one (as they seem to be for it). I mean the standard joe soap.
    Agree with the other replies and I'd also like to stress that free public charging infrastructure is an anomaly AFAIK, it's not normal anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.

    Few countries I'm acquainted with, with both less and more developed EV markets, have vast majority of their chargers privately owned and paid. Not publicl/government owned and free.

    The whole free public charging infrastructure in Ireland is very unusual and almost a sort of a Socialist experiment (which mostly failed based on the consensus in the community).


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    #196
    redcup342
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭redcup342


    McGiver wrote: »
    Agree with the other replies and I'd also like to stress that free public charging infrastructure is an anomaly AFAIK, it's not normal anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.

    Few countries I'm acquainted with, with both less and more developed EV markets, have vast majority of their chargers privately owned and paid. Not publicl/government owned and free.

    The whole free public charging infrastructure in Ireland is very unusual and almost a sort of a Socialist experiment (which mostly failed based on the consensus in the community).

    There are free Public Chargers all Germany, Charging at work is Tax free guaranteed up until 2030.

    I managed to drive from the Western border of Germany all the way to the Czech Republic for 7 euros, that 7 euros was for an Ionity Rapid Charger as I was a bit afraid of not being able to find a charging point in Czech, in the end I didn't need it as they were all free as well.


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    #197
    tom_tarbucket
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    The “rapidgate” phrase I hear from time to time. What exact year leaf is this referring to?

    Is it the latest model with the 40kwh battery?


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    #198
    krissovo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    The “rapidgate” phrase I hear from time to time. What exact year leaf is this referring to?

    Is it the latest model with the 40kwh battery?

    In layman’s terms it refers to the Leaf 40 and its ability to rapid charge multiple time on a single trip due to the battery heating up and not actively cooled. Say you are on a long journey you start at home on 100% with a cool battery, your first rapid charge will be at 44kwh and then as the battery heats up your next will be throttled to 3xKWh and then the 3rd charge will be under 20kwh.

    Not a issue for most owners but it does make the leaf less suited to long road trips when compared to I3’s, Ioniq, Tesla etc


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    #199
    ELM327
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    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    The “rapidgate” phrase I hear from time to time. What exact year leaf is this referring to?

    Is it the latest model with the 40kwh battery?
    It is the latest model with the 60kWh and 40kWh batteries


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    #200
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    McGiver wrote: »
    Agree with the other replies and I'd also like to stress that free public charging infrastructure is an anomaly AFAIK, it's not normal anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.

    Few countries I'm acquainted with, with both less and more developed EV markets, have vast majority of their chargers privately owned and paid. Not publicl/government owned and free.

    The whole free public charging infrastructure in Ireland is very unusual and almost a sort of a Socialist experiment (which mostly failed based on the consensus in the community).

    There are some free level 2 and level 3 public chargers in the UK.


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    #201
    tom_tarbucket
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    krissovo wrote: »
    In layman’s terms it refers to the Leaf 40 and its ability to rapid charge multiple time on a single trip due to the battery heating up and not actively cooled. Say you are on a long journey you start at home on 100% with a cool battery, your first rapid charge will be at 44kwh and then as the battery heats up your next will be throttled to 3xKWh and then the 3rd charge will be under 20kwh.

    Not a issue for most owners but it does make the leaf less suited to long road trips when compared to I3’s, Ioniq, Tesla etc


    Ok. Thanks. So this was on the leaf release in 2018/19 yeah.

    Was there ever a fix or recall etc done for it?


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    #202
    krissovo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    There was a software patch as such that reduced thermal throttling so now you can rapid charge 3 times in day in excess of ~35kw depending on a few factors but the Rapidgate stigma has stuck. Most Leaf owners including myself do not do the daily mileage that you need to get rapidgate symptoms so its only a small percentage who experience it. It would be difficult to trigger rapidgate in Ireland given our size and climate.


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    #203
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭zg3409


    tom_tarbucket wrote: »
    krissovo wrote: »

    Ok. Thanks. So this was on the leaf release in 2018/19 yeah.

    Was there ever a fix or recall etc done for it?

    Leaf has no battery cooling, so to protect the battery it slows down fast charging when hot. On very long trips like London to Scotland, where you need more than one rapid charge speed to charge is slower on second charge. They 'fixed' the issue by allowing battery to overheat more, which damages it, but it kept the moaning long distance drivers happy.

    It is very unlikely that an Irish driver would notice it, due to size of country, but leaf still charges slower than other cars like Ioniq on a rapid charger. It may also mean high mileage cars imported from UK may have more wear on battery compared to cars that have active forced air or liquid battery cooling. The aim of slowing charge was to increase battery life, but charging 3 fast charges on one long trip became unbearable for some UK users. Same applies to newest leaf with larger battery, but larger battery is less likely to need multiple fast charges in a row. Active cooling would have fixed the root cause, but for some reason it does not have it. At least the leaf does quite honestly display battery degredation on the battery charge display so you can see older cars have less than 100% of new battery capacity.


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    #204
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Pretty crap for 800v? Only 337a.

    Model 3 peak (250kW) charges at much higher amperage.

    It is

    Easing it in I would say
    Elon Musk on Twitter: "Model S on Nürburgring next week"

    I love this :)

    Competition

    The new Raven Model S P100D could be a surprise around the ring

    Will it beat Porsche, probably not

    70+ corners on the ring


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    #205
    krissovo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    Screen-Shot-2019-09-05-at-1.11.30-PM.jpg?resize=1024,527


    https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-3-best-selling-cars-uk/


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    #206
    krissovo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Will it beat Porsche, probably not

    70+ corners on the ring

    Our American friends have only just recently realised that cars can & should go around corners fast, both left & right corners :P

    Not a chance a Tesla would beat a porsche on the ring......Yet!


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    #207
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    krissovo wrote: »
    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    Screen-Shot-2019-09-05-at-1.11.30-PM.jpg?resize=1024,527


    https://electrek.co/2019/09/05/tesla-model-3-best-selling-cars-uk/

    Crazy stats alright

    It's only going one way

    See the VW e-UP with 32kWh and 260km range is coming early next year in UK for £16,000

    That's the kind of price and range that is needed to electrify everything

    Hope we get it here

    €18,000 and 260km range would be amazing, even if it's a very small car

    https://pushevs.com/2019/09/05/volkswagen-e-up-has-its-price-announced/


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    #208
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,708 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sure is, have you a deposit down?


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    #209
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    krissovo wrote: »
    There is a interesting stat in the UK sales figures between 2018 & 2019 for BEV's & PHEV's. The sales have completely flipped over between them, with BEV's taking 3.4% market share and PHEV's dropping to 1%. The model 3 is probably skewing the figures somewhat but its still a big decline for the PHEV.

    UK government pulled the PHEV grant completely overnight last Oct. Thats mainly why PHEV has dropped over there which is fine as long as there are BEV's to buy.... at least they are getting Model 3's!


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    #210
    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    I believe BEV sales are up either 160 or 180% on last year.


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    #211
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,371 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    MHEV! Never heard of that before. Any examples of what cars this could be? Shame to see MHEV diesels going up though.

    My understanding:
    Hybrid has a small battery powered by regenerative tech, and can run on the battery alone at low speeds.
    MHEV is it's a Hybrid that can't run on battery alone.
    PHEV has a slightly bigger battery, can be charged at a charging station etc, and can run on battery power alone, with an ICE for longer range/power.
    BEV all battery, no dinosaur juice.


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