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Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

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  • #152
    lordgoat
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    From my personal experience, the Hyundai ioniq is a great car. 160km range is pretty much guaranteed, up to 230km in summer on slower roads. It's got a pretty small battery (but it's efficient, hence the range) yet it charges pretty quickly (up to 70kW) meaning a 20 minute stop would give you about 3/4 a battery*.
    It holds plenty too, and it's pokey enough.
    Price wise there's a 2016 UK model from a reputable used EV cars seller going for 14k I think. Absolute bargain. 2017 models (no difference in spec or style) are ~17k.

    If you're ready to drop money now, get that ioniq, you won't regret it.

    *EVs have a charging curve. 0-70% in the ioniq will charge around 70kW, but it drops of to about 30kW at that point. So 20 minutes will charge the first 3/4 of the battery. The last 1/4 could take another 20 minutes.

    By contrast (from what I know, I've no experience) the leaf charges at a max 50kW on the old CHAdeMO socket. There are plenty of these plugs around, but CCS is the new standard, so expect less CHAdeMO plugs installed Vs CCS going forward. The leaf is also known for not being great at motorway speeds, hitting it's range quite hard. They also appear to suffer much more with battery degradation Vs the ioniq (rare to see an ioniq with reported battery degradation).

    Thanks again for the info the plan is to hopefully narrow it down to 3 and test drive them at some point over the next 6 weeks and have something in the driveway for April-ish. Hadn't considered the Ioniq due to wanting a smaller car but will def look more at it now. thanks!


  • #153
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Thanks again for the info the plan is to hopefully narrow it down to 3 and test drive them at some point over the next 6 weeks and have something in the driveway for April-ish. Hadn't considered the Ioniq due to wanting a smaller car but will def look more at it now. thanks!

    +1 on the Ioniq. Great car! I had one for nearly 2 years and it was flawless. Driven sensibly it can do great distance and charge reasonably fast.

    If it's smaller you're after, have you had a look at the Renault Zoe? I've no experience with one, but somebody on here should be able to fell you in.


  • #154
    Aph2016
    Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Aph2016


    So whats the consensus on apps. I have plugshare, chargepoint, esb, abrp and zap-map.

    As another poster said, there's a bit of fragmentation, what are the majority of you using. I'm just starting to look at how to plan road trips etc.


  • #155
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    So whats the consensus on apps. I have plugshare, chargepoint, esb, abrp and zap-map.

    As another poster said, there's a bit of fragmentation, what are the majority of you using. I'm just starting to look at how to plan road trips etc.

    I dropped zap map. Adds nothing plugshare doesn't already have.
    Easy go, ecars, plugshare, chargepoint, evrodau app (for current cheapest ionity prices), ABRP and a scattering of other apps for the odd charger around Ireland. And needtocharge just incase.


  • #156
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In case you missed it, this is the ESB eCars presentation by Conor O'Brien titled "Expanding and Renewing Ireland's EV Charging Infrastructure", which he presented Saturday 6th Februay 2021 as part of the Irish EV Owners Association's second virtual event.



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  • #157
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is one interview you don't want to miss! In this video, EV TV Ireland presenter Guillaume talks about his Tesla Model 3 Standard Range+ and his previous electric vehicles. He also admits to a dirty little secret hidden in a garage in France and what happened when his battery ran out when he was driving his first EV, a 24 kWh Nissan Leaf.



  • #158
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is the &Charge presentation by Simon Vogt, which he presented Saturday 6th Februay 2021 as part of the Irish EV Owners Association's second virtual event.



  • #159
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is the panel discussion on charging infrastructure that was hosted by the Irish EV Owners Association on Saturday 6th Februay 2021. The participants were with Nigel Daley from NMD, Chris Kelly from EasyGo/CarCharger.ie, Darren Kinsella from Darkin EV and Jerome Flannery from Randridge.



  • #160
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, we talk to used electric vehicle dealer Phil Fitzgerald of Electric Autos in Naas, which you can visit at electricautos.ie.

    We discussed the following topics:
    His background
    Services offered
    Warranty
    Battery health check
    Test drives
    Where he sources the electric cars he sells
    How he prepares his cars for the next owner
    Sourcing a particular model
    Trade-ins, including petrol and diesel cars
    Dealer service history
    Selling battery electric vehicles (BEVs) to taxi drivers
    Nationwide delivery
    Home charge points and applying for a grant
    Vehicles he's looking forward to selling in 2021



  • #161
    encorton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭encorton


    Just financed a 181 Leaf with ~23000 km - should I really really be worried about CHAdeMO going away from Ireland in the next 4-5 years? Or should I look into upgrading halfway?

    I really like the Leaf but the topic that comes up every single day online is that CHAdeMO will be gone and I won't be able to fast charge.


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  • #162
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    encorton wrote: »
    Just financed a 181 Leaf with ~23000 km - should I really really be worried about CHAdeMO going away from Ireland in the next 4-5 years? Or should I look into upgrading halfway?

    I really like the Leaf but the topic that comes up every single day online is that CHAdeMO will be gone and I won't be able to fast charge.

    As long as Leaf’s are being sold, CHAdeMO will remain... and even when they stop selling the Leaf with CHAdeMO plugs, charging would/should still be available for at least another 10 years....

    Buying a Leaf is is a very attractive prospect, as 50% of the eCars (National) DC fast charger network is only usable by 1 BEV...... the Leaf, so you almost have an exclusive network, while everyone else fights over the CCS chargers....


  • #163
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    All new charge points being deployed have CCS and Chademo, but not all of them have Type 2.


  • #164
    murt101
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭murt101


    I see a report in a newspaper that electricity prices could rise by up to 260% in Ireland in the next few years. Would this kind of hike render the savings over petrol/diesel null & void?


  • #165
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    murt101 wrote: »
    I see a report in a newspaper that electricity prices could rise by up to 260% in Ireland in the next few years. Would this kind of hike render the savings over petrol/diesel null & void?

    So instead of costing €5 to fill, my car would cost €13 to fill....(for 400km of range) and that’s ‘if’ my night rate increased by 260% which I really can’t see happening...

    And be sure if electricity prices increase, so will that of petrol/diesel....


  • #166
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    murt101 wrote: »
    I see a report in a newspaper that electricity prices could rise by up to 260% in Ireland in the next few years. Would this kind of hike render the savings over petrol/diesel null & void?

    Lots of ifs and maybes in that hypothetical. Also with the cost of solar and batteries going down people should be able to generate their own fairly affordably.

    Either way, charging my car at home costs me about 1/5 what diesel cost me, so 2.6X my car fuel costs now and I'm still saving.


  • #167
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    murt101 wrote: »
    I see a report in a newspaper that electricity prices could rise by up to 260% in Ireland in the next few years.

    Link to it?
    I bet there is some fine print there that has to be taken into context.


  • #168
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,709 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    murt101 wrote: »
    I see a report in a newspaper that electricity prices could rise by up to 260% in Ireland in the next few years.

    It should be a lot more than 260%. Peak demand electricity (now just 13c) should go up to at least 100c (so about a 700% increase) while bottom demand should become free or even negative cost (now about 7c)


    In other countries less behind than Ireland, we have already seen this trend. In the UK, sometimes you get paid to load up your EV or your power wall. At the opposite end you sometimes get charged up to $10 per kWh in a crisis like a heat wave in Texas

    Let the polluter pay, varying electricity prices are great in my book, I'm looking forward to making the most of them and doing my best to help avoid climate change

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  • #169
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,381 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    unkel wrote: »
    It should be a lot more than 260%. Peak demand electricity (now just 13c) should go up to at least 100c (so about a 700% increase) while bottom demand should become free or even negative cost (now about 7c)


    In other countries less behind than Ireland, we have already seen this trend. In the UK, sometimes you get paid to load up your EV or your power wall. At the opposite end you sometimes get charged up to $10 per kWh in a crisis like a heat wave in Texas

    Let the polluter pay, varying electricity prices are great in my book, I'm looking forward to making the most of them and doing my best to help avoid climate change

    Tough on those who can't afford renewables though. If you're poor enough, the state will give you a house and pay your electricity, perhaps even a house with solar. If you're rich enough you can add solar and power walls etc and beat the system. If you're in the middle you can't afford the 1000s to install solar and batteries, so you get hit with the big electric bill. Or if you live in an apartment/residence where solar isn't an option.


  • #170
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Tough on those who can't afford renewables though....

    Not just about wealth, those in apartments, those renting, those with poxy shading, those with horrible aspect, those with multiple dormer widows on roof, dutch gables etc. etc. etc...


  • #171
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,709 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    We still use quite a bit of coal/oil/gas in this country for electricity production

    Peat is now gone. Coal / oil are very much down to almost zero, only used in one powerplant in Ireland (Moneypoint). This plant should be closed immediately anyway as it's an environmental brutality.

    But yes, we still use considerable gas for eletricity production. The least of the fossil fuel evils, but until we have both a much higher renewables production and adequate storage (in whatever form, pumped hydro, chemical or other batteries, interconnector) we will still be needing this backup for quite some time to come

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  • #172
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    Looking for an electric estate? Here's Philip's review of the MG5.



  • #173
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




    In this video, we talk to used electric vehicle dealer Simon Acton of next eco car in Dublin, which you can visit at nextecocar.ie.

    We discussed the following topics:
    His background
    Services offered
    Warranty
    Battery health check
    Test drives
    Where he sources the electric cars he sells
    How he prepares his cars for the next owner
    Sourcing a particular model
    Trade-ins, including petrol and diesel cars
    Dealer service history
    Selling battery electric vehicles (BEVs) to taxi drivers
    Nationwide delivery
    Home charge points and applying for a grant
    Vehicles he's looking forward to selling in 2021


  • #174
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




    In this video, Guillaume reviews the new Volkswagen e-Up!, a small car with a 36kWh battery.


  • #175
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    Do you suffer from range anxiety and/or wish you had a bigger battery? Range Therapy may be able to help you.



  • #176
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    We are relaunching, and in this video Guillaume, as always, tells you everything you need to know!



  • #177
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #178
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume reviews his 2020 Tesla Model 3 SR+ after 6 months ownership and compares it to the Tesla Model 3 Long Range and Performance, as well as the Tesla Model S.



  • #179
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is the presentation by Andrew Johnson of MG Ireland that he shared at the IEVOA AGM 17 April, 2021.



  • #180
    themacdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    Hi all, took the plunge yesterday and ordered a Audi Q4. I currently have a diesel A6 so I am looking for advice on charging. Any advice on a charger that is futureproof (maybe for another car etc) and on an electricity plan I should make sure I get? Apologies in advance if these are silly questions!


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  • #181
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    themacdaddy wrote: »
    Hi all, took the plunge yesterday and ordered a Audi Q4. I currently have a diesel A6 so I am looking for advice on charging. Any advice on a charger that is futureproof (maybe for another car etc) and on an electricity plan I should make sure I get? Apologies in advance if these are silly questions!

    No silly questions...

    Remember a 'charger' is just a fancy plug, the actual 'AC charger' is in the car itself...

    Key points to think of when selecting a charger;

    Do you have or plan to have Solar PV, and to use Solar to charge the car? - The Zappi charger integrate well with Solar PV

    Do you have a heat pump, or an electric shower? If you answer yes to either of these then you'd need a charger with load balancing (I believe the Zappi also does this), or if you didn't have a load balanced charger, then you'd need a priority switch installed in addition to the charger - a priority switch basically directs the power to the charger, but if the heat pump or power shower is turned on, they would get the priority (and most/all of the available power), and the charge rate going to the car would reduce...

    This thread is where to ask all charger related questions....

    You can apply now for the SEAI home charger grant (€600), and will get approval fairly quickly, but don't get any work done until you have this approval letter in hand.

    I'd also recommend a day/night meter, and then just shop around for the best deals on electricity pricing...


  • #182
    themacdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭themacdaddy


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    No silly questions...

    Remember a 'charger' is just a fancy plug, the actual 'AC charger' is in the car itself...

    Key points to think of when selecting a charger;

    Do you have or plan to have Solar PV, and to use Solar to charge the car? - The Zappi charger integrate well with Solar PV

    Do you have a heat pump, or an electric shower? If you answer yes to either of these then you'd need a charger with load balancing (I believe the Zappi also does this), or if you didn't have a load balanced charger, then you'd need a priority switch installed in addition to the charger - a priority switch basically directs the power to the charger, but if the heat pump or power shower is turned on, they would get the priority (and most/all of the available power), and the charge rate going to the car would reduce...

    This thread is where to ask all charger related questions....

    You can apply now for the SEAI home charger grant (€600), and will get approval fairly quickly, but don't get any work done until you have this approval letter in hand.

    I'd also recommend a day/night meter, and then just shop around for the best deals on electricity pricing...

    Thanks for the response. I currently have a day and night meter and shopped around for the best rate. While I do not have solar PV just yet it is something I would like to do in the future. Also I am extending the house and as part of that I am looking at changing from oil to Air to water so I would have to factor that in. The Zappi looks good. Any ideas whether I should look at the 22kw v the 7kw?

    Thanks, I will look at that forum. Not sure how I missed it.


  • #183
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    you need to check the supply to the house and can it be upgraded

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  • #184
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    themacdaddy wrote: »
    Any ideas whether I should look at the 22kw v the 7kw?

    House supply in Ireland is typically only single phase, meaning the most you'll get is 7kW.

    You are also limited by the car's onboard charger too, the Audi Q4 has an 11kW onboard AC charger, meaning even if you have 3 phase at your home, and a 22kW charger, you'll still only be able to put a max of 11kW into the car....

    For instance my Model 3 supports a max of 11kW AC charging, so even when I plug into a 22kW ESB AC charger, I'll still only get 11kW.

    7kW at home is more than enough.... 7 hours will put 49kWh into the car. The Q4 has a 77kWh battery, so 11 hours will take it from 0% to 100% (but in reality you'd hardly ever be putting 100% into it, always keeping it between 20% - 80%), 20%-80% is around 46kWh, which would take about 6-7 hours at 7kW


  • #185
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume takes a close look at the infotainment system in the Model 3. Is it the best in any car?



  • #186
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,644 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I guesss this would be better in chargers thread.


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  • #187
    fafy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭fafy


    Q on public charging, which i will only use infrequently, apart from ionity which i will only use rarely, as none near me, if i sign up to Go Car, that gives me all Go Car charging access +all ESB charge points ? Or, is an ESB charging card better, or is there a better alternative in 1 card, that gives extensive access to nationwide charging ?


  • #188
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    fafy wrote: »
    Q on public charging, which i will only use infrequently, apart from ionity which i will only use rarely, as none near me, if i sign up to Go Car, that gives me all Go Car charging access +all ESB charge points ? Or, is an ESB charging card better, or is there a better alternative in 1 card, that gives extensive access to nationwide charging ?
    Go Car is the car sharing company. Maybe EasyGo?

    EasyGo gives you access to ESB ecars but at a premium. (27c access fee +32 c kWh AC standards/40c kWh DC rapids). If you don't used much probably is the best option as you can benefit from the free units @ Lidl thier own paid ones and ecars. You can get Ionity with them as well with 27c access +79c kWh if you're stuck


  • #189
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    This is the presentation by Tom Spencer of Irish EVs that he shared at the IEVOA AGM 17 April, 2021.



  • #190
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    In this video, Guillaume tests his Tesla Model 3 SR+ in an exhausting range test around Cork City.



  • #191
    Cupra280
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Cupra280


    Quick question about public charging infrastructure, sorry if it was asked before.

    I've just ordered a plug-in hybrid. Has a 13Kw battery. I cannot install a home charger. I would like to keep charged as much as possible. Would pay-as-you-go on eCars be a better option that the monthly membership?

    I am a complete novice to charging, so I may be asking a lot of basic questions!


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  • #192
    kanuseeme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Why you cannot install a home charger?

    I find pay as you go offers 30% to 40 % saving over fossil fuel use, but its not really worth it unless your parking up anyway, I think its a waste of time just to wait around on a car charging.

    monthly is 5 euro and what 3 cent cheaper electricity? you would have to use around 166 kWh before you start to save anything.

    What car is it?

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  • #193
    Cupra280
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Cupra280


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Why you cannot install a home charger?

    I find pay as you go offers 30% to 40 % saving over fossil fuel use, but its not really worth it unless your parking up anyway, I think its a waste of time just to wait around on a car charging.

    monthly is 5 euro and what 3 cent cheaper electricity? you would have to use around 166 kWh before you start to save anything.

    What car is it?

    Thanks for the response.

    In an apartment block with free for all parking. I see some have mentioned charging stations in their apartment blocks, I'd be interested in hearing if there was any resistance from the Management Company/Agent to having these installed.

    It's a Cupra Formentor.


  • #194
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭innrain


    Cupra280 wrote: »
    Quick question about public charging infrastructure, sorry if it was asked before.

    I've just ordered a plug-in hybrid. Has a 13Kw battery. I cannot install a home charger. I would like to keep charged as much as possible. Would pay-as-you-go on eCars be a better option that the monthly membership?

    I am a complete novice to charging, so I may be asking a lot of basic questions!
    In your case monthly membership is not economical. It is a yearly subscription and based on the price difference you'd need to charge about 1450 kWh in a year to get even. That's over 110 time your battery size in a year or about ten times in a month. As it charging @3.6kW one full charge will take about 4h so 40h charging in a month on the public network is not viable.

    Regarding the second issue it depends on the owners. But your case as mine with unallocated parking spaces it is seen as the most difficult to solve. I have two years since I started the discussions with the agent/owners associations and I don't see any solution. But you have to start somewhere so ask. The most beneficial would be to have your own installation as from what I've seen some communal one could get more expensive than ecars for charging.


  • #195
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #196
    zenith90
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭zenith90


    I know someone shared a comprehensive checklist that they had put together for new EV owners.
    Is that still available somewhere here?

    Hoping to share a copy of it with a prospective first-time EV owner.


  • #197
    kop-end
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭kop-end


    zenith90 wrote: »
    I know someone shared a comprehensive checklist that they had put together for new EV owners.
    Is that still available somewhere here?

    Hoping to share a copy of it with a prospective first-time EV owner.

    I would love to see this also


  • #198
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #199
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • #200
    into_the_wild
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭into_the_wild


    Hey guys, I'm not totally convinced with BEVs (due to range anxiety etc) and hence considering a PHEV but just wanted to clarify a couple of things before taking the plunge:

    1) Do PHEVs run in "hybrid mode" when not charged at all?

    2) Do PHEVs have an inherent disadvantage in efficiency because they're carrying extra weight of a normal ICE engine as well as an electric motor/battery etc?


  • #201
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    How about a step in between, the outstanding, wonderful, awe inspiring BMW i3 with range extender.

    140-180km of pure electric range, with a petrol generator for backup to vanquish that nerve shredding range anxiety.

    Now who could possibly be selling such an outstanding machine... ;)


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